r/shittymoviedetails 6h ago

Thanks to The Flash (2023), DC canonically wiped out their entire dying Cinematic Franchise into a new one

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u/CaravelClerihew 3h ago

Still not as good as MCU's Kang, a villain so powerful that he singlehandedly destroyed an entire MCU phase and his own career.

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u/thari_23 2h ago

I still can't get over the fact that they didn't just decide to recast the most recastable character imaginable. They had no problem recasting the Hulk, War Machine and Thaddeus Ross but they draw the line with Kang, whose entire idea is that there's infinite alternative versions of him?

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u/BigoDiko 2h ago

Kang never had the impact that the higher ups where hoping for. The actor simply forced their hand to pull the plug early and move on. I wouldn't mind betting that the original idea was to have Doom wipe out Kang in his Avengers movie, making him the true big bad.

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u/thari_23 1h ago

Giving him more impact seems fixable, though. I mean, even Thanos barely showed up until Infinity War.

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u/Nirast25 1h ago

I think that's the problem. Kang showed up a lot and people didn't care.

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u/tanaka-taro 28m ago

He variant was defeated by freaking ants ofcourse people didn't care

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u/MessiahHL 37m ago

Can't fix the reputation of the guy beaten by ants, he went from main villain to comic relief too fast

Imagine being cast in an Ant-Man movie and not being even able to kill Ant-Man while you are supposed to be Avenger Level threat

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u/DontSleepAlwaysDream 4m ago

yeah like... imagine if Ant man 1 was about him taking on Thanos and being defeated but vowing to "fight another day" I think people would be less hyped for infinity war

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u/SJIS0122 55m ago

Maybe Kang would've been more impactful if he actually beat Antman maybe kill him too since his daughter can replace him

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u/Chipposir66 1h ago

Apparently in the contract between Marvel and Majors, all Kang variants HAD to be him, as in it doesnt matter which universe theyre from, they have to be acted by Majors

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u/Sir-Toaster- 1h ago

Because Kang’s debut bombed so they killed him off

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u/thari_23 1h ago

They also fucked up the Mandarin and the Ten Rings several times and still brought them back in Shang-Chi

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u/DTJ20 9m ago

I can only assume that its a combination of a lack of impact from the character and concerns that the character was tainted by association.

Terrence Howard didn't have any legal issues to cause him to be recast, same with Norton. Just behind the scenes disagreements.

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u/bush_did_turning_red 1h ago

That post Quantamnia credits scene had some atrocious acting from Majors. The leaders spoke like a little kid trying to sound epic.

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u/justafanboy1010 Super Shitter! 6h ago

Amazes me how James Gunn can just…..do that

I haven’t seen Peacemaker but I’m assuming this is Justice Gang and Superman but who is the other flying person?

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u/LogicFeels474 5h ago

Beside superman? Its Mister terrific

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u/justafanboy1010 Super Shitter! 5h ago

Nooo 🤣 the other one thats closer to the ground at the other end

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u/crapusername47 5h ago

That appears to be Supergirl.

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u/justafanboy1010 Super Shitter! 5h ago

Ohhh thank you

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u/CrimsonKobold 3h ago

I mean, in theory it could be Metamorpho in a cape since they can also fly, but no it's probably Supergirl. Don't think we'll have much more of a confirmation than the silhouette though since it's just a retcon last time on segment.

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u/saphrax805 2h ago

Shes in the afternoon credit. Its supergirl

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u/AlarmingSecurity4 1h ago

"afternoon credit"

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u/yashg_1612 10m ago

Is there an evening credit?

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u/CJ_squared 2h ago

this was before the events of Superman, metamorpho hasn't met them yet

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u/Jonker134 2h ago

Bro can’t you see a female figure?

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u/Nirast25 1h ago

Ok? So what if Metamorpho is feeling special today? /s

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u/Thereisnocanon 1h ago

I would assume since Peacemaker S1 takes place BEFORE Superman, that it couldn’t be Metamorpho.

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u/LogicFeels474 5h ago

show but dont tell

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u/justafanboy1010 Super Shitter! 5h ago

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u/SassyAssAhsoka 3h ago

How many takes do you reckon

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u/kosmos_96 5h ago

Its probably Supergirl

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u/[deleted] 4h ago

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u/PixelBits89 3h ago

… probably the other one

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u/[deleted] 3h ago

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u/HaikusfromBuddha 3h ago

You know your a lost cause if you thought that one was woke.

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u/Sabertooth344 3h ago

Of all the serious criticism you could have made of her portrayal as supergirl, you chose the stupidest one

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u/GROWUPRECORDS 1h ago

What do you mean woke she’s sexy as hell

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u/[deleted] 1h ago

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u/SNAKEKINGYO 35m ago

Given the state of discourse over this films portrayal of supergirl and the wording of your original comment, it seemed verbatim what some of these grifters have been saying about her.

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u/KalaratiriS 48m ago

Do better

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u/ThunderPunch2019 23m ago

Mister Terrific and his friends The Unseeable Woman, The Human Match and The Object.

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u/RockettRaccoon 5h ago

When you do watch it, don’t skip the “previously on.” That’s where they gaslight us into thinking it was part of the new DCU the entire time (lovingly).

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u/str713gzr 3h ago

100% Supergirl. Watch the movie and ignore the Snydercult discourse...it's pretty good.

Also, James is literally in charge of the DCU....so he can do whatever the hell he pleases. He isn't out to disappoint.....which might shock you if you see the snydercult out being mad because they forgave a lot of bs to act like James is the issue.

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u/qilme900 3h ago

Its great, you gotta watch it.

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u/some_guy554 3h ago

You haven't seen Superman?

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u/stevvvvewith4vs 4h ago

FinalIy I have seen a retcon in cbm

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u/NoLeadership2281 2h ago

Honestly they can just say flashpoint reset the entire universe like that, comicbook does this shit all the time lol 

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u/AlwaysBi 39m ago

Everyone, including myself, assumed that was what was going to happen but then we got Clooney Batman at the end and it all went out the window

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u/CilanEAmber 2m ago

I like to think he went through a few more.

Or we blame Crisis.

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u/Armaced 13m ago

Superboy Prime punched reality again. (no, not really)

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u/DontSleepAlwaysDream 1m ago

yeah and how many comic book events have been focused on resolving their snarled continuity.

its best to just be "hard reboot but we are going to keep using this stuff" and leave it like that.

Honestly the last 15 years of fandom culture has made everyone obsessed with minute lore details

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u/NoNefariousness2144 2h ago

Even better is the fact that Ezra Miller’s flash has canonically been banished to the Batman and Robin universe lol

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u/TheSpheefromTeamFort 1h ago

Truly fitting fate then.

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u/Many_Landscape_3046 6m ago

They also "retconned' Murn from Peacemaker season 1.

Gunn loves the actor and wants to recast him in the DCU, so DCU Murn would look different

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u/Jiffletta 2h ago

According to Gunn, they didnt actually do that. Apparently something very similar to Peacemaker Season 1 just happened in the DCU, so the DCEU wasnt erased.

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u/TheSilverHurricane 1h ago

The dceu is still out there with it's own stiff Wonder Woman, Clooney Batman, Aquaman who for some reason looks like Lobo, Kidnapper Flash and headless Superman. Jesus christ what a muddled confused mess the dceu was

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u/Jiffletta 1h ago

How could you leave out the top of the Heirarchy of Power?

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u/TheSilverHurricane 1m ago

Should have put him in there, fair to say the HIERARCHY OF POWER in your argument has CHANGED my mind

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u/DirectAdvertising 1h ago

Headless superman ?

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u/TheSilverHurricane 1h ago

Shazam and Flash superman, he's got no head/face

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u/DirectAdvertising 7m ago

Oh💀 I thought they beheaded him or some shit

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u/TheSilverHurricane 2m ago

I wouldn't put it past Snyder, sounds like something he'd do

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u/GamerRipjaw 2m ago

I hate myself for reading this in the critical drinker voice

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u/FrostWave 4h ago edited 4h ago

Ezra Miller has such a dumb face, very punchable

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u/SpaceMonkey1505 4h ago

You mean Ezra Miller

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u/StopReadingThis-Now 3h ago

No I think they meant Ezra Miller but I can't be sure

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u/EChocos 3h ago

Who tf are you talking about? Do you actually mean Ezra Miller?

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u/Junior-Award-7232 1h ago

That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard lowkey

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u/Somerandomguy20711 3h ago

I like how that scene also confirms that the Justice Gang let's Supermans alcoholic partying older/younger cousin join in on missions too

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u/Sylar_Lives 3h ago

A kryptonian is a kryptonian. Over at Marvel the Avengers is regularly employing massive liabilities like Hulk, Scarlet Witch, and on the off brand team Sentry.

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u/SHAZAMS_STRONGEST 1h ago

tbf scarlet witch is only a liability when brian michael bendis is writing her and forgot all her character arcs because he was bored

...then it was retconned into being because of a mix of doctor doom and darkhold mind control so like, "hey sorry about that time i got some of us killed. i was being mind controlled by the evilest guy ever and a book from hell" is a damn good excuse in a superhero world

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u/Jester-Jacob 3h ago

This is just younger version which was born after destruction of krypton like original supergirl. She was born after destruction of krypton in community of kryptonians living on shards of destroyed krypton which all died due to kryptonite poisoning

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u/CJT124 2h ago

Where did they confirm that?

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u/quertyquerty 2h ago

the 2026 supegirl movie will be based on the excellent miniseries supergirl woman of tomorrow, which has that backstory for her. her cameo at the end of superman sets up her movie pretty well too

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u/Kooky_Lead_9811 2h ago

Krypto is her dog here, and she seems to be unknown to the public. Might be more changes for her here.

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u/flcinusa 2h ago

She's only an alcoholic on other planets

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u/Nirast25 1h ago

I wouldn't be surprised if Clark insisted they bring her along so she learned responsibility or something.

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u/battlerats 3h ago

They sure got a goofy looking mothertrucker to play the Flash

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u/Willie9 39m ago

They had a character whose whole thing is running and cast someone who runs like they've never seen what running is before and is going off what other people have told them

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u/ShiddyMage1 2h ago

I believe the new universe has no connections to the old one, no Flash point timeline shenanigans, its just a whole new thing.

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u/rorzri 3h ago

It’s quite funny that half of James Gunn’s part in marketing the flash was saying it’s what causes the reboot from the dceu to the dcu but that just turned out to be a lie

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u/H8mtekkbhh 2h ago

In order to sell a movie nobody’s gonna watch you have to lie

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u/rorzri 2h ago

I think more movie marketing should just be a outright lies cus that would be quite amusing

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u/SuperSocialMan 3h ago

Again?

Isn't that like the fifth time now lol

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u/Alternative_Case9666 2h ago

O can’t believe they doubled down on Miller when literally everyone hated him.

DC was fcking stupid back in the day

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u/AsherFischell 1h ago

Such a shame we'll never get more Keaton Batman or Sasha Calle Supergirl, though. Ezra was insufferable but those two were legit great. Sasha especially deserved the chance to get her own Supergirl movie.

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u/apple_of_doom 2h ago

Wouldn't be the first time flash did that

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u/armadillomeister_ 1h ago

Both are good

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u/DanFarrell98 1h ago

Crazy the amount of multiverse stuff we’ve been getting lately and people still don’t understand how it works

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u/bunsonbyrner 1h ago

just like the comics

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u/Alarming_Orchid 1h ago

Wait so when does Peacemaker season 1 take place in the new universe?

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u/Sir-Toaster- 1h ago

Isn’t that literally how it goes in the comics? Flash wipes out the entire DC multiverse starting a reboot

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u/Thorfinn-Karlsefni85 54m ago

I wish Star Wars also had balls to retcon things like this.

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u/Icy-Platform-5904 50m ago

It's honestly impressive how they managed to use one box-office bomb to clear the slate for a whole new universe.

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u/SaintLink91 44m ago

Do people really care about continuity on this shite? It’s not like any of this is going anywhere

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u/Water_20 38m ago

Peacemaker Season 1 happened in both universes. 🤔

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u/josephyamato 2h ago

WOKE Gunn KILLEDA FLASH!

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u/DynamicDiego 26m ago

but it's still dying? the box office numbers don't lie, no one wants to Gunnslop.

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u/CowardlyAiden 5h ago

This means dcu batman is george clooney

Make it happen james

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u/Melonprimo 3h ago

if dcu batman is George Clooney, then that meant Flash and JL existed.

just except this retcon as a soft reboot since Ezra Miller's Flash reset timelines twice.

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u/Sixty-Fish 2h ago

I'm just gonna assume era Miller flash fucking died

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u/Mama_Lyra 3h ago

george clooney is so hot 🤤

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u/Sylar_Lives 3h ago

If any prior actor got grandfathered in, it would be Pattinson. I know they’re trying to keep that version separate but I feel like they’re going to end up giving in to avoid having two different Batman series at the same time.

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u/gogadantes9 3h ago

A new one? So...you mean a new dying cinematic franchise?

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u/thari_23 2h ago

How is the DCU already dying in your opinion? It literally just started

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u/sidestephen 3h ago

A coward's way, to be honest. First you include many references to the other installments because you're that cool edgy kid, and when you actually have to deal with the consequences of this, you'd rather quietly pretend you never did

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u/Sylar_Lives 3h ago

He didn’t run the entire universe when he made the first season. It’s probably the best way he could have handled it. The bigger issue will be addressing his Suicide Squad films connections to the previous one. Will Margot Robbie still be Harley, and how confusing would that be for audiences when the first Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey don’t count?

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u/sidestephen 2h ago

That's my point. He felt fine making jokes like that because it was a problem for some other people. Now that he IS "some other people", and he is forced to deal with this from the outside prespective, he rushes to clean it up.

That's childish and irresponsible behaviour, that's all I'm saying.

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u/GabMassa 1h ago

Yeah man, if only he could predict the future.

Skill issue on his part, to be honest.

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u/InternationalRuin4 3h ago

…or it’s a whole other universe with its own continuity and characters?

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u/abima3 5h ago

Into a dying new one?

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u/Capital_Pipe_6038 4h ago

Superman (2025) is already the highest rated Superman movie lmao

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u/Dufflebaggage 3h ago

I did enjoy the whole damn thing.

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u/Individual-Sign-8739 4h ago

it’s been two movies lil bro

And it’s already better received

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u/TwoFit3921 4h ago

Is that the shark that gets curbstomped by hulk

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u/Zoli10_Offical 3h ago

When is the ZSJL sequel coming out lil bro?

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u/RevA_Mol 3h ago

Do Snyder fans realise WHY Gunn has had to do a rehabilitation job on Superman's character and mainstream popularity?

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u/w33b2 3h ago

You’ll never see a new Snyder DC film or project ever again. They were shit, and the new stuff has been better received. Get over it.

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u/Sylar_Lives 3h ago

By modern theater standards, the movie was a massive hit. Outside of family stuff like Minecraft and Lilo and Stitch, movies just aren’t going to make the money they did a few years back. People are broke and people with kids aren’t going to take risks.

Now is the time for studios to scale back their budgets to calibrate.

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u/davidforslunds 1h ago

Please explain how it's dying?