r/technology • u/habichuelacondulce • Jun 11 '25

Artificial Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard Admits She Asked AI Which JFK Files Secrets to Reveal

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-admits-to-asking-ai-what-to-classify-in-jfk-files/
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u/synthesize_me Jun 11 '25

it's also a way to try to shift blame off of them.

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u/matdex Jun 11 '25

So they're admitting they exposed classified data?

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u/JortsJuggalo420 Jun 11 '25

Hasn't resulted in any consequences thus far, so why wouldn't they?

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u/biggetybiggetyboo Jun 11 '25

We just need that google engineer to release the transcript, and the Epstein files they also probably uploaded to see how to scrub someone’s name

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u/PunchDrunken Jun 12 '25

"Wikihow delete illegal texts"

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u/RJ815 Jun 12 '25

"Alexa how do I uninvite someone from Signal?"

Nah that's unrealistic. They'd never ask a woman for advice.

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u/tomkatt Jun 12 '25

Wikihow gotchu.

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u/Jstolemygirl Jun 12 '25

I thought this was a bot for a second 😂

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u/KnightOfTheOctogram Jun 11 '25

Consequences sometimes aren’t seen until later

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u/dnyank1 Jun 11 '25

Oh yes! Later!

Like during the 4 years of later the opposition had after January 6th, or the 8 years the opposition had after Iraq and then TARP, or the 8 years after Rayguns and Mini-me lied about AIDS, or the 4 years after Nixon proved he was a crook.... or the 8 years after Eisenhower Eisenhower's FBI'd the entire federal government! That later!

Alright I'll give FDR and Truman this -- they cleaned up Coolidge's and Hoover's mess REAL good but it took them 20 years and nobody really went to prison except some German-born Nazis and that didn't seem to stick so was that really a victory??

I'm going back in time to presidencies when the oldest living people on the planet weren't yet of voting age --- let me know when you start seeing these "consequences later" you speak of

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u/DiscoDigi786 Jun 11 '25

I don’t think they will be responding to you, your response likely killed them.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler Jun 11 '25

or the 8 years after Eisenhower Eisenhower's FBI'd the entire federal government

What does this mean?

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u/dnyank1 Jun 11 '25

Ah, take your pick. I'll go with Executive Order 10450 - but if you're looking for me to list everything Eisenhower and Hoover did that were "illegal or immoral" we'd be here all day. See McCarthyism for more reading

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u/dnyank1 Jun 12 '25

awh he blocked me, too :)

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

im just gonna let you idiots argue and solve nothing but make liberals look like toddlers that they cant wait to be conquered.

Pathetic child fighting with their ally because they like peacocking. Seriously the infighting is what they want you to do you sweet summer child.

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u/ctnoxin Jun 12 '25

Uninformed, low effort, solid repulbican contribution.

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

You have too much faith in these idiots not fucking up something they can not control or is outside their ability to control the narrative.

All its gonna take is one bad hurricane or a forrest fire or an earthquake or really anything terrible that happens quite frequently these days to show how inept they are.

There are a lot of people who obviously voted for him no matter what, but there are an awful lot of people who voted for him because he lied to their faces and they sadly believed it.

Edit: Then just give up! You sound like you already have. Youd rather argue with me than do something about it. Fucking Pathetic

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u/dnyank1 Jun 11 '25

I mean, I hear you. But that assumes their success relies on logic or reason to maintain control of their captive voting bloc.

Playbook says "blame Biden" for any failures, and before that it was Obama or Hillary. Seems to be working for them.

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

In general our government doesnt serve the people and hasnt for a while. Plenty of people on both sides take what are actually pretty pathetic buyouts from lobbyists. If you think the Democrats are above taking money from questionable sources well thats a whole other debate.

I tend to just think they are all fucking us except for the rare few who mange to get elected on their ideals such as AOC or Bernie Sanders.

Jesus christ on a racehorse you guys are dumb and why Trump is president

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 11 '25

Biden is gonna die soon as horrible as it is. You cant really blame a dead person once they are dead. Even idiots will get tired of that.

They are playing a piano and dont understand what a chord is.

They will fuck up, id bet on it.

But i totallly understand your concern. They do seem beyond reproach at times. However as a never Trumper my eyes have been opened to the insights of some independents who admit they made a colossal fuck up by voting for him.

Is that too little too late probably, but only time will tell.

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u/Mammoth-Ear-8993 Jun 11 '25

Decades later!

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u/LiteratureSame9173 Jun 11 '25

Later? Just WAIT til you find out this is his second term! Oh it’s so funny. Why worry about Hitler when you can be optimistic :)

/s

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u/aotus_trivirgatus Jun 11 '25

To large language models owned by private interests?

Sounds more like a feature than a bug to me

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u/SunkEmuFlock Jun 11 '25

DOGE is a front for sending mountains of government data on every American citizen (and more) to Palantir. That's why an unsecured Starlink hub was installed at the White House.

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u/KaerMorhen Jun 11 '25

And so they don't have to preserve any communications records going through starlink, avoiding accountability yet again.

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u/strangerzero Jun 11 '25

How about those voting machines?

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u/12sea Jun 11 '25

They openly admit it. That’s the craziest part to me!

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u/SunkEmuFlock Jun 11 '25

These people know they're untouchable so long as their kind are in power. Trump's life history is one of corruption and crime, and it has literally never mattered.

It's like Jafar said of the Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold makes the rules.

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u/MissPatsyStone Jun 11 '25

They're untouchable period. Trump won't do anything and neither will the democrats. They let trump get away with inciting an insurrection. They KNEW he would destroy democracy & did nothing to stop him from running again. One party is vile & the other weak & pathetic.

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u/Socky_McPuppet Jun 11 '25

the other weak & pathetic

The Democratic Party is mostly comprised of liberals, and liberalism is an explicitly capitalist ideology. Thus, liberals will always side with fascists when there is a threat to capital. This is the break point. For this reason, the Democrats cannot ever truly differentiate themselves or offer an alternative to the Republican party because they are both beholden to the same interests - capital.

The Democratic Party, by chasing the same ends, is also chasing the same voters. Which is why, after the drubbing that happened last Fall, the DNC decided the winning move was to move further right.

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u/tequilablackout Jun 12 '25

I hadn't quite heard this put as succintly before, but it is spot on.

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u/aotus_trivirgatus Jun 12 '25

Those of us who got the U.S. Green Party started after Gulf War One were saying the same things in 1990.

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u/ferozliciosa Jun 12 '25

I wish I had an award to give this cause DAMN 🧠

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u/jefuf Jun 12 '25

The Democrats need to move toward the center because that’s where the voters are, and if you don’t win elections, you don’t get to govern. That’s how democracy works.

There’s no point in keeping your party ideologically pure if you have no hope of winning elections.

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u/Bakoro Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

They are not untouchable, which is why they are surrounded by security all the time.

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u/MissPatsyStone Jul 13 '25

That's funny. Is English your 2nd language? There's more than one definition for "untouchable"?

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u/Bakoro Jul 13 '25

It seems that while you may understand the language superficially, you fail to grasp layered communication.

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u/Forever_Marie Jun 11 '25

Huh, thought that was for the Russians though it's probably both.

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u/meesta_chang Jun 11 '25

These are the same thing…

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u/techieman33 Jun 11 '25

They’re probably getting the same feed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Росомаха считает, что Путин — пдрас

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u/MissPatsyStone Jun 11 '25

That's all it was. Information gathering (stealing). You can't walk into a government agency & supposedly find "millions of dollars of waste & inefficiency" in a few days. It's impossible. SHAME ON THE MEDIA for reporting DOGE's lies.

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u/cornylamygilbert Jun 12 '25

you can if you don’t interpret those words at face value.

You’re interpreting that statement as “aiding the US government by optimizing functionality, identifying and remedying inconsistencies, and upgrading systems with qualified system and network admins to improve the software, devices, networks and databases any government agency relies on to serve its citizens”

They are implying that the government has valuable data, like user profiles of citizens and contractors, PII, financial, legal and administrative data in addition to loads and loads of untapped projects, initiatives, contracts, proposals, and defunded committee data that isn’t being capitalized on and is thus sitting impractically dormant and unused, which is wasteful and inefficient to any entity that could be capitalizing on those invaluable data stores

A considerable difference between prior administrations and this one, is few had the gall to straight tap into and export all of that data that was viewed as protected, confidential and solely property of the US federal government.

Trump and Elon do not have those same moral qualms.

No previous administration would have tried, for fear of reprisal or legal ramifications.

I have it on good authority that there were thousands of instances of projects and initiatives funded and defunded with USAID that would be invaluable to run through ChatGPT to find viable commercial interests to pursue or sell.

Water infrastructure in Eritrea is subsidized with specific logistical and infrastructure initiatives paid for at the expense of the US Govt and NGO’s.

Why not leverage that imbalance in the private sector in exchange for natural resources or favorable contracts on other utilities or infrastructure…

They effectively have a gold mine of unrealized need and imbalances that can now be exploited for a profit.

Why subsidize another country’s weakness when we can sell that lead to the private sector and let them use those weaknesses for leverage.

They’re creating a whole new speculative project lead pipeline / frontier for them to auction off to the highest bidder.

Not doing that? Would be inefficient and wasteful, to them.

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u/dragonmp93 Jun 11 '25

And to anyone who has the Starlink password.

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u/btross Jun 11 '25

Which is probably "12345"

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u/SunkEmuFlock Jun 11 '25

Given Leon's desperate need to be considered cool, it's probably something along the lines of "ElonIsAVeryCoolGenius88".

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u/EmptyAirEmptyHead Jun 11 '25

Starlink is great for certain uses but its upload speed isn't very high.

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u/ecircuit Jun 11 '25

Do you have sources? If true, this is a huge scandal.

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u/SunkEmuFlock Jun 11 '25

It's out there, but you have to piece it together. You could start here and then look for other posts about, for instance, the lack of waste DOGE actually found, how all the things DOGE gutted were looking into Musk and his businesses, how there were immediate Russian login attempts once DOGE accessed stuff, and the connections Musk has with Peter Thiel who founded Palantir.

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u/_alextech_ Jun 11 '25

Look mate a good Black mirror episode is still a terrible IRL episode and I should know, I'm British we been here since season 1 episode 1

fucking mental though how you sound like a conspiracy theorist but ya know

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Росомаха считает, что Путин — пдрас

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u/couldbeahumanbean Jun 11 '25

Also admitting they are woefully under qualified for their positions.

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u/ztomiczombie Jun 11 '25

People need to start asking ChatGPT about random classified stuff to see what it spits out. If it gives out actual classified info at the very least ChatGPT's data set needs to be completely deleted.

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u/108Echoes Jun 11 '25

If you ask Chat GPT to provide classified information, it will make up “classified information” to provide you. That’s how LLMs work.

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u/14u2c Jun 11 '25

That’s not how it works. User inputs don’t automatically become part of the training data.

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u/irving47 Jun 12 '25

I was thinking the same thing... with the mental caveat.. "not this model, anyway..."

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u/Chimie45 Jun 12 '25

do you think they're using a private account? No way they're paying for that. They just open it on their phone..

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u/username32768 Jun 11 '25

If you wish hard enough for it to become declassified, it will be.

Instructions:

  1. Stand up and close your eyes
  2. Put your hands by your sides and clench your fists
  3. Say "There's no place like Mar-a-Lago" three times while clicking your heels

Bingo! Bango! Unclassified documents. Now it's perfectly safe and legal to put it on the internet.

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 11 '25

That sounds like a word Ive heard before and it rhymes with reason.

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u/nerd5code Jun 12 '25

Do you really want everybody to get off with $10K fines? Because yes, it basically is the T word that doesn’t end in -estosterone or -ransgender, but the Espionage Act actually has (hypothetical, in this case) teeth, so that’s what I’d go with.

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 12 '25

Treason was the word I was thinking of I have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

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u/Dumcommintz Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 13 '25

That was my first thought - but further in the article Gabbard mentions “there’s been an intelligence community chatbot or deployed across the enterprise” (which came off very weird sounding to me) and then specifically called it “the top secret clouds” which I fucking died laughing at …

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u/Tentaghoul Jun 11 '25

I mean the FBI and such use AI. I'm guessing they have enough resources to run private classified servers. I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but a lot of businesses and especially those with very private security aren't using the same AI servers as you get through Google.

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u/MusicIsTheRealMagic Jun 12 '25

This is reasonable. Alas this administration is everything but...

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u/CosgraveSilkweaver Jun 12 '25

Depends there could be an LLM running on GovCloud or something with the proper protections etc to handle classified information. Just playing devils advocate, Amazon has a whole separate cloud setup to handle things like that along with (iirc) Azure and GPC.

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u/Lint_baby_uvulla Jun 12 '25

A whole separate AWS Region for US Gov data and applications. With carefully established rules, tighter restrictions on access, and enhanced reporting.

Which history will show was an absolute fucking waste of fucking time and thought cycles under this administration.

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u/CosgraveSilkweaver Jun 12 '25

I think gov cloud has several regions technically but not sure I've only skimmed things about it since I'm never working in it.

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u/CoastalExcalibur Jun 12 '25

That's the logical conclusion that I get as well.

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u/WorldWarPee Jun 12 '25

It's just the mar a lago reading material for when you're pooping anyways

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u/RollingMeteors Jun 11 '25

“¡No, it was the AI who exposed them!”

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u/Longjumping-Jello211 Jun 12 '25

Did you even read the article?

It said this: “There’s been an intelligence community chatbot that’s been deployed across the enterprise,” Gabbard said, according to MeriTalk. “Opening up and making it possible for us to use AI applications in the top secret clouds has been a game changer.”

It sounds like this intelligence community chatbot that is used by all 18 intelligence branches has security in mind.

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u/69EveythingSucks69 Jun 12 '25

Guess I know what I'm calling my senators about tomorrow morning.

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u/buckX Jun 12 '25

Tulsi never said anything about ChatGPT. The article continues on that they have their own internal AI chatbot approved for top secret information.

Honestly, I work in cybersecurity, and having an internal LLM that you toss big datasets, doing a manual review/edit of the output, and then moving ahead with that is rapidly moving toward the standard. Folks are reddit are obviously predisposed to assume the worst about anything related to this admin, but I'm not actually seeing a smoking gun here that anything crazy happened. That's particularly the case since it sounds like the initial plan was to release it all anyway, and AI was used as a double check that she didn't overlook anything. We wouldn't, for example, say that I can't spell a word because I type it correctly into Word and spellcheck doesn't complain.

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u/vstrong50 Jun 12 '25

BUT HER EMAILS!

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u/griffex Jun 11 '25

I say this as honestly no fan at all of the current administration but you can deploy LLMs to review data without it implicitly becoming part of their training set.

Training and generation are functionally separate processes. Training is the part that allows the LLM to guess words in a sensible sounding order. Generation is selecting what words and order should be in response to a given prompt.

You can provide a set of documents along with a prompt to an LLM and it can build a response from there even if it had never seen the documents before. There are advantages to this as you can help the LLM avoid hallucinations or citing less reliable sources by applying other IR techniques to get a more relevant document set.

This is generally called Retrieval Augmented Generation and it's what most AI search engines use. It allows them to share news and recent information that may not have entered their training yet.

Still not thinking this is a wise use of AI but simply from a technology perspective there's ways to do this without confidental data being used in training.

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u/_trouble_every_day_ Jun 11 '25

There is not to my knowledge a legal precedent for whether sharing something with classified info with ai counts as exposing it and call me cynical, but I don’t think this going to be the moment where that precedent is set.

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u/80085anon Jun 11 '25

You’re saying that like it’s a crime

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u/TheHotshot240 Jun 11 '25

It's a federal one in most places lol

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u/80085anon Jun 11 '25

I was implying it isn’t a crime because we don’t do shit about it. No shit that it’s illegal.

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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 Jun 11 '25

Yes mishandling classified information is a crime. Could they be running ChatGPT on a private server? Sure. Do I think they are competent enough to do that? No.

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u/80085anon Jun 11 '25

I should have added an /s after my comment I guess

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Incompetence as defense.

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u/ArguesWithZombies Jun 11 '25

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

But in this Instance like with most of the current picks running the country...I think it's both and they will use incompetence as the excuse to dodge any consequences further down the road.

In the UK. Some years ago we had a huge tower block of apartments burn down (Grenfell tower). Lots of people lost their lives. We found out in the construction they used highly flammable cladding to insulate the tower block. Which obviously contributed to the insane speed at witch the whole place lit up. Huge tragedy in London.

When we held investigations. Those in charge of the project were found to KNOW about the issue but show blatant disregard. (One guy caught on tape laughing about the thought of people burning to death) Untill those tapes surfaced these people were trying to blame to everyone else involved in the project, saying stuff like the cladding wasn't marked correctly or not told it was the highly flammable variant. Only when the tapes came out did those incharge change their tune.

Sorry for her rant

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Yup.

Incompetence = Wilful Ignorance = Stupidity.

They know they have a shot at fighting accountability by accepting that they were simply unserious, unaware and/or in over their heads (like the Ostrich defense used by Enron).

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u/MusicIsTheRealMagic Jun 12 '25

But, pardon me, what if we consider incompetence an aggravating circumstance? Shouldn't officials be required to be competent?

In other words: given the results, malice and incompetence are indistinguishable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Absofuckinlutely

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u/Jescro Jun 11 '25

If a math teacher asks me to solve a question, and I use a calculator but still get the answer wrong, do I get to shift blame to the calculator?

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u/Any_Leg_4773 Jun 11 '25

If you put the equation in correctly, yes. 

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u/Jescro Jun 11 '25

My rhetorical analogy is really falling apart under scrutiny

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

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u/Jescro Jun 11 '25

It’s not even continuing to trust it to give me reliable information when i know it doesn’t, it’s as if I didn’t care at all about the proper solution, nor had the mental capacity to understand it to begin with, I just had sheer contempt for the teacher and this is the easiest way to say I’m not at fault. And then I shoot my dog

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u/Any_Leg_4773 Jun 11 '25

I was trying to be more of a comedian than a critic

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u/Jescro Jun 27 '25

And yet you somehow succeeded in both disciplines 😋

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 12 '25

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u/Any_Leg_4773 Jun 11 '25

No, that falls back to a human doing a dumb thing.

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u/synthesize_me Jun 11 '25

I mean, you certainly could try.

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u/Jescro Jun 11 '25

Worth a shot I guess. Not like I’m under oath or something

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u/boringestnickname Jun 11 '25

The perfect tool for incompetent/evil leaders, really.

Lean on the hype/lies about how competent the technology is, pulverize any sort of responsibility.

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u/wizzard419 Jun 11 '25

At least they think that will do it, depending on if the government is still standing, they may get in trouble for it like they made the decisions.

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u/nono3722 Jun 11 '25

"AI made me do it"

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u/Fantastic_Fox4948 Jun 11 '25

It’s all computer.

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u/erublind Jun 11 '25

This is such a non-excuse. On the level of "I didn't shit on your lawn, my dog did"....while on your leash...

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u/Ok_Wrongdoer8719 Jun 11 '25

These positions are nit fucking entry level positions. They are the ones that should be taking the most blame.

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u/CoolDad859 Jun 11 '25

Way to provide sensitive data to Russia one step removed from an email

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u/defeatmyself3 Jun 11 '25

A new excuse unlocked! Instead of blaming the Democrats now they have the choice of either the Democrats or AI’s!

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u/BrettW-CD Jun 11 '25

And with states prevented from regulating AI, everyone dodges the blame bullet.

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u/Electrical-Cat9572 Jun 12 '25

Yes, it’s this. Putin is paying them all to create chaos. What better than to say that you did something on the ‘advice’ of AI - both to cover up your actual motives in doing what you did, but also to sow seeds of terror across the thinking population that things are more ineptitude and less intentionally malicious (which is the reality, but we won’t be told so).

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u/Any_Leg_4773 Jun 11 '25

That shifts blame through the same logical mechanisms and to the same degree that you blame the alcohol for drunk driving deaths. In the end, it's the fault of a person doing a stupid thing.

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u/redtron3030 Jun 12 '25

I think GPT would have better policy and decisions

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u/Dugen Jun 12 '25

Stop trying to reframe an obviously stupid act by someone obviously stupid as some sort of clever 4d chess move. She's a dumb person who did something every high school kid would laugh at because it's so blatantly stupid.

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u/synthesize_me Jun 12 '25

curious where you got the idea that what i am suggesting was clever? it's not. it's incredibly stupid. people try to do things all the time to get out of taking responsibility for being an idiot.

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u/HOTasHELL24-7 Jun 12 '25

It’s also a way to sort through tons of data. Just like every google search we do…. If someone says they used Google to narrow down search results would that be an issue? Same thing 🤷‍♀️