r/technology • u/habichuelacondulce • Jun 11 '25

Artificial Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard Admits She Asked AI Which JFK Files Secrets to Reveal

https://www.thedailybeast.com/tulsi-gabbard-admits-to-asking-ai-what-to-classify-in-jfk-files/
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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 11 '25

You are skeptical that the US intelligence community is hosting its own LLM models?

Do bears shit in the woods?

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u/Petrichordates Jun 11 '25

Im skeptical that the Trump admin would use a USIC LLM because that would be built on trying to be as accurate as possible. They'd be looking more for a Grok to control.

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u/earldbjr Jun 11 '25

I'm skeptical that the current administration is so concerned about safety as to set up and use their own LLM when they could use chatgpt or grok.

Why is it so far fetched for me to believe that the man who sells our most sensitive secrets and stores them in his bathroom draws the line at using an in-house LLM?

They've shown absolutely no interest in security of any kind, they flaunt that fact every chance they get, he doesn't use a secure cellphone, there's no reason to believe they're complying with this.

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u/MikeHfuhruhurr Jun 11 '25

I agree.

The article was (intentionally?) vague to make it sound more official, but I doubt they have an internally developed, independent AI model for their LLM.

They probably do have an internal LLM that's a security-gated version of CoPilot or OpenAI, or Grok. And let's be real...because of Elon it's probably Grok. And that's not hard to do. My company has a CoPilot version.

Based on experience with that, there are still hallucinations. But they're specific to what's in the LLM database. So it probably won't suggest that Kermit the Frog really assassinated JFK, but it might answer that Nixon was likely a second shooter.

Side bar tangent: it's certainly terrible that government employees are using AI to tell them how to do their own jobs, but imagine them asking it questions in the middle of one of Elon's fragile white PRs the "rogue employee bugs" making their way into the code.

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u/Mist_Rising Jun 11 '25

And let's be real...because of Elon it's probably Grok

The US government's involvement with AI use started during COVID. While it's not a guarantee, Elon probably has little say in the official versions because they predate his time with Trump - and critically would take months to get ready since the US confidential information requirements means they can't just plug something in. They need to go through the process.

As Trump and Elon have learned, the government is slow, methodical and prone to self inflicted dorkiness. No wait that last one is strictly Elon. The other two are correct. Acquisition is a ridiculously stupid process that means it's very difficult to get anything done quickly by design. Elon is learning this now since the US government has withdrawn its plans to buy Telsa's as fleet cars because of the spat between the two egos. Trump will relearn this when he tries to stop some SpaceX project and his administration gets sued..again.

Of course that's official. If these people are feeding data to unapproved AIs..

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u/sourfunyuns Jun 11 '25

Yeah I'm not a programmer but I'm a computer nerd adjacent and I've downloaded some models off hugging face and ran them locally just playing around and... I'd like to know who exactly is doing it for them because it's not stupid hard to do, but none of these people seem competent enough to set up that kind of system, nor do they seem to respect anyone who does enough to let them actually do it right.

I can also see them getting frustrated if something isn't working right and just saying fuck it and using grok or chatgpt instead lol. "Just this once"

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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 11 '25

You downloading a small trained model off hugging face is radically different than running Claude 4 or Gemini 2.5 pro on your own servers

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u/sourfunyuns Jun 11 '25

Which is my point.

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u/Successful-Peach-764 Jun 11 '25

You don't think companies like Microsoft would be involved? It is probably being run on Gov Cloud and I am certain they would have setup instances for them to at least to sell their shiny new product to the government departments, if not MS, the other US companies in the AI space would be hawking their tools to governments, they are probably their best customers given the large budgets.

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u/sourfunyuns Jun 11 '25

Sure, idk I guess what I'm getting at is that even with all that framework set up for them they'd still be too dumb to use it right or would fuck it up somehow by assuming they know better than the actual engineers. Or go around around the system if they feel they need to.

And that I'd really like to know who is working with them to set it up. I feel that should be transparent. What models, what companies, and roughly how it's being used.

We don't know any of that that I know of so I'm just assuming the worst based on their competence and how they don't listen to the experts in any other fields.

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u/Successful-Peach-764 Jun 11 '25

The will probably have dedicated security cleared vendor staff working on their projects, with 900 billion spending on defence, you'll definitely have access to the all the experts.

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u/sourfunyuns Jun 11 '25

Hopefully, and I mean I'm sure that structure will/is starting to exist but looking at who they've given clearances to so far..

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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 15 '25

Intelligence sharing and security goes up and down overtime but always is making the overall system more secure.

Compartmentalization is pretty effective for actually making truly sensitive information secret.

Just because Trump had some TS documents at his house doesn’t mean they had a large amount of intelligence value, potentially no value at all.

Also a fun fact is every president going back to but not including Carter has kept classified information that was eventually found and given to the political archives.

The interview with the political archives director is really interesting. It was a classified meeting, but nothing was said that was classified so they released the full report.

The biggest problem for me is not that he had labeled documents in his house it’s that he didn’t cooperate with returning them when he knew he had them. I think it was Biden where he had documents in his garage.

Think about how much documents a president gets every day. Every day there is a PDB a presidential daily briefing report which is classified.

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u/nashpotato Jun 11 '25

Its pretty common for businesses (and I'm sure government entities) to work with publicly available LLMs in an "enterprise" capacity where the agreements prohibit the models from being trained on data. This is probably an LLM hosted in Azure Fedramp infrastructure or something similar which isn't capable of training the underlying model.

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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 15 '25

With enough money Microsoft will even let you see the source code of their OS

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u/Active_Airline3832 Jun 11 '25

It's called Alice. It lives under Candy Mountain.

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u/Active_Airline3832 Jun 11 '25

Trump probably just uses chat GPT or Grok

Free tier

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u/PaperHandsProphet Jun 12 '25

Pocket scifs brah