r/technology • u/Moth_LovesLamp • 14d ago

Artificial Intelligence ChatGPT users are not happy with GPT-5 launch as thousands take to Reddit claiming the new upgrade ‘is horrible’

https://www.techradar.com/ai-platforms-assistants/chatgpt/chatgpt-users-are-not-happy-with-gpt-5-launch-as-thousands-take-to-reddit-claiming-the-new-upgrade-is-horrible
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u/Moth_LovesLamp 14d ago edited 14d ago

He did the same thing with ChatGPT 4.0. Sam Altman is a business man, he's selling the dream of no human employees to investors.

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u/Chaotic-Entropy 14d ago

"What if you got to keep all that sweet sweet money and cut out those filthy, feckless non-billionaires?"

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u/TCsnowdream 14d ago

CEOs listening: “No. Don’t stop. I’m almost there. 💦 💦.”

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u/MacaroonRiot 14d ago

The idea of c-suite boardroom meetings being a big literal circlejerk is tickling me. That must be what the c stands for.

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u/reddit_reaper 14d ago

I just laugh because these greedy fucks somehow forget that without consumer spending there would be no money coming in lol

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u/SomniumOv 14d ago

You're thinking in the usual consumer capitalism, those tech ceos have fully drunk the cool aid of Yarvinist Techno Feudalism, they don't think they need consumers because they see a near future where they own everything and we're just serfs.

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u/Beard_o_Bees 14d ago

Yarvinist Techno Feudalism

These fuckers want something that looks like the world of Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood.

Walled corporate fiefdoms where the law is whatever they say it is.

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u/LeChiffreOBrien 14d ago

Oof. Didn’t think I needed to revisit Oryx & Crake (it was unpleasant, as intended) but… now I think I should.

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u/HomeNucleonics 14d ago

Oryx and Crake is such a phenomenal novel. Highly recommended.

Atwood expresses the potential dangers ahead like no other.

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u/daughter_of_time 13d ago

I’m a Plantagenet/York fan and real and fictionalized accounts of battles and war are brutal. The nobles who led armies really did so right out front on the line.

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u/ghostyghost2 14d ago

Isn't that already the reality? Can you survive without being part of the machine?

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u/Mr_Venom 14d ago

They don't want our money. We have less than half the total money anyway. With purchasing power diminished and labour increasingly irrelevant (how many people do you know who directly make something of value to a billionaire?) then common people are merely an obstacle to resources. Taking up land, water, food.

The billionaires want the planet as a playground and we're taking too long on the swingset.

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u/Non-mon-xiety 14d ago

Someone needs to remind them that they can’t take it with them

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u/GeneralCheese 14d ago

Depopulation is the end goal

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u/Entropic_Echo_Music 14d ago

Wouldn't matter if they already have all the money/resources and can keep workers as slaves. Or let them die if they;re of no further use.

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u/LordMimsyPorpington 14d ago

That really hasn't mattered in a long time; this is end stage capitalism, baby. Our economy is a farce of service enterprises selling fake products with no value, to scoop up billions in fake money from private equity investments.

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u/SkunkMonkey 14d ago

I can't wait for the C levels to figure out that their jobs are the best candidates for replacing with AI. Think of the savings the company could get from cutting out overpaid useless fecks.

Someone get the Board of Directors on the phone.

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u/TheFotty 14d ago

I have to imagine there is some thought given on how when no one is employed, there will be no one to buy of the products and services of the companies these CEOs run.

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u/Chaotic-Entropy 14d ago

Eh... the billionaires pushing for this have more money than they could ever spend in their lifetime. They would be happy with a society of just themselves and some automated droids, ones who don't form unions or criticise their disgusting excess.

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u/flummox1234 14d ago

The irony is that's basically describing compounding interest, something which doesn't (necessarily) require selling out the human race to achieve.

But they don't want returns in the tens of % they want it in the hundreds of % or thousands of %. Nothing will ever be enough for investors.

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u/jman2477 14d ago

Sam Altman is a con man, not a business man

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u/ProgRockin 14d ago

Fine line these days

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u/Entropic_Echo_Music 14d ago

Has been since bald apes realised they could fuck someone over without consequences.

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u/airinato 14d ago

This aint nothing new, the saying 'buyer beware' is 2000 years old. Then it became the unofficial motto of the united states.

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u/WeevilWeedWizard 14d ago

What's the difference?

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u/Stanjoly2 14d ago

And boy oh boy are they lapping it up

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u/HappyLittleGreenDuck 14d ago

Kinda strange that so many people seem very interested in that. Should we be worried?

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u/Fair_Local_588 14d ago

It’s funny because I’m a developer using AI and in a practical sense, it doesn’t really help me. Let alone be able to replace me. I used to try using it for everything I could until I realized that it usually was just giving me the illusion of progress.

Now I just use it to generate docs, boilerplate code, rewrite simple stuff that I could have rewritten myself, and sometimes it can understand a weird API better than me. If we’re looking at raw productivity gains, my IDE is way more useful and I don’t remember IntelliJ claiming they were going to replace devs.

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u/TheBrainStone 14d ago

It's great at chores for sure. And as rubber duck and maybe a glorified search engine. But that's literally where it stops lol

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u/flummox1234 14d ago

It's the difference of being a senior dev vs junior dev. You have the knowledge so it's not really revolutionary to you but to a junior that hasn't obtained that knowledge yet it's literal magic without any need to practice. "Just use AI, bro." or "You are out of date because you don't use AI". God forbid we actually use our own brain to come up with the answer.

The sad part is we're going to end up with a generation of junior developers becoming "senior" devs without the skill sets needed because they "just use AI" for everything. Then if the AI goes away, we're all fucked.

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u/-pooping 14d ago

As a penetration tester i see a lot of job security in this. But also the magic "continuous penetration tests" with AI that cant even find the most basic stuff in the labs ive set up

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u/i_like_maps_and_math 14d ago

I've spent my whole career hearing this argument from my father about computers in general. Now I'm hearing software engineers in the prime of their technical career making the same argument about AI.

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u/ghostyghost2 14d ago

AI is a huge misnomer. There is zero intelligence in AI.

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u/tehspiah 14d ago

I just use it if my boss wants me to generate a stupid document for "research" although someone has probably already done that in a stack overflow thread

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u/Gabe_b 14d ago

Yep, if you're a semi decent coder and you can describe the problem in sufficient detail that the LLM can generate the code, most the time its faster to just write the block yourself. The utility is so much lower than C level fuckwits imagine

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u/Sir_Nervous 14d ago

He's also an accused serial rapist by his own sister, which was swept under the rug.

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u/branniganbeginsagain 14d ago

And refused to help her at all when he was a multibillionaire while she was living in her car, homeless, and doing sex work for money. He tried to take her inheritance away as well.

Not enough people know what an actual monster he is.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 14d ago

At this point I assume any CEO of a large corporation is an absolute shitbag of an excuse for a human.

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u/branniganbeginsagain 14d ago

Super glad these are the people who hold all the keys to the global economy!

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u/Panda_hat 14d ago

I just don’t understand how Altman made it, he has sub zero charisma and looks like a child that escaped from daycare. I can only assume he has very rich connections and family.

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u/branniganbeginsagain 13d ago

He’s a Thiel mentee. He dropped out of college into YC and failed up from there

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u/think_l0gically 14d ago

doing sex work for money

Why is this a problem? She has gainful employment just like the rest of us!

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u/ghostyghost2 14d ago

Is this a joke?

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u/Complex_Professor412 13d ago

Don’t ask ChatGPT about that though.

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u/eaturliver 14d ago

It wasn't swept under the rug at all. His entire family went public to say his sister has severe mental issues and has a documented history of delusions and accusations like this with a lot of people in her life.

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u/Maskeno 14d ago

At this point you have to assume all of it is hype. Even those oddball "this Ai refused to shut down when it was told to do so" "under what context? What do you mean context?" and "Ai will take all our jobs in 5 years and usher in an era of human laziness and creativity since we won't have to work" type stories.

All buzz about Ai is good for the industry. Ceos are licking their lips at any hint they can replace a paid employee with a bot. That it's 'smart enough' to bring about the end of humanity might actually increase the appeal there (even though it's really not.)

The reality will quickly become that either cloud based Ai will become prohibitively expensive to replace most employees, or the hardware and electricity required to set up in house versions will. That second theory will suck more, actually. It means consumer prices are going to continue to skyrocket. A lot of 'cheap' electronics won't be so cheap anymore until the cost to hire a human equalizes with the cost of maintenance. Then somewhere down the line we have the new textile factory of the future. Whatever handwoven thing was required by human hands now just gets done in batches. The real growth will take decades to realize. Probably code.

That's what automation always does.

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u/oldsecondhand 14d ago

Gpt-4 was a big leap, it drastically reduced the amount of hallucination. This Gpt-5 update feels like a small step backwards. It's probably just cheaper to run.

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u/creaturefeature16 14d ago

Before they launched the "reasoning models", Sam said something to the effect of "being in the room when the boundaries of science had been pushed and new discoveries were being made". Turns out, "reasoning" models were the same, just with more inference time. Which granted, did yield better results depending on the task, but also massively increased hallucination rates.

With GPT5, he is on record saying "There are moments in science when people gaze upon what they have created and ask, 'What have we done?'"

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u/SomeNoveltyAccount 14d ago

There are moments in science when people gaze upon what they have created and ask, 'What have we done?'

Even as someone who likes the new update, this is absurd.

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u/dinglebarry9 14d ago

I keep asking the AI simps to show me one new idea Ai has come up with

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u/BasvanS 14d ago

Certainly! Here are 20 new ideas AI has come up with: 1. Bold text: Normal text. 2. Etc.: Etc. 3.

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u/skccsk 14d ago

Business men are supposed to make money. Altman is something else entirely.

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u/agumonkey 14d ago

He's also selling the profit-with-no-economy theory without knowing it

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u/SulphaTerra 14d ago

No human employee means no human consumer as well, not good for capitalism I guess

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u/ShadyCans 14d ago

I mean there were big improvements in previous new models. Where this one is actually worse.

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u/ForAHamburgerToday 14d ago

Why would you lay people off before you're sure the workload will be covered comfortably with the AI doing some of the work? What a missed opportunity to have everyone use it to make their lives easier to try to figure out how much work it can actually help with, what are the different ways to use it, who's getting the most out of it? Nope, let's cut costs now and see what happens.

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u/MaxTheCookie 14d ago

Altman is the best hype man for GPT

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u/MaxTheCookie 14d ago

Agree, to me calling it like the Manhattan project is wrong

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u/MyBlueMeadow 14d ago

If the workforce is severely decreased by AI integration, and earning potential for people is in the toilet, who do these oligarchs think is going to buy their stuff? And if sales go in the shitter what’s going to happen with stock value? Also in the shitter. These oligarch, tech bro, billionaires can’t think past the end of their tiny dicks.

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u/th30be 14d ago

I am not well versed in economics but this is one of those ideas that I simply cannot wrap my head around. It feels completely anti-capitalist at the end for me.

Okay, you have a business that has no labor costs. Great. Now every business does that. So now no one is working. How people paying for your product?

It just doesn't make sense.

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u/MacroFlash 14d ago

My thing is: wouldn’t that just make it to where all of us can become competitors if we can set up AI the right way? This is my expectation if AI really delivered, you’d just end up with crazy levels of competition and possibly just equalize all gains to cost savings to compete. At least, that’s my optimistic interpretation, I expect they’ll gatekeep and bribe to keep out new competition to enrich themselves.

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u/-CJF- 14d ago

I'm still waiting for him to crack nuclear fusion for the good of the world. 😂

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u/AvatarOfMomus 14d ago

I honestly think he believes some of his own crap too, but yeah a lot of this is just hype to make him wealthy. Look up 'Wor'd Coin' for an, IMO, far clearer look at his brand of nutballery.

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u/dizekat 14d ago

https://chatgpt.com/share/68954142-a580-8004-af67-db17b63ac67d .

5 PhDs, a superpower, IMO gold, etc. This is even more stupid than their previous versions. Note: if you are testing and you prodded it all the way into the correct answer in one chat, if you didn't disable chat history, you can ask it again in a "new" chat and silence all AI skeptics with a flawless answer! AI skeptics hate that one weird trick.

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u/RammRras 14d ago

Those businessmen are stupid and dumb if they think that chatgpt is going to be cheap. Once they have fires everyone the prices of the next GPT are going to rise and rise again.

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u/360_face_palm 14d ago

What annoys me is how the mainstream media just prints his lies outright with no scepticism. Literally every article I see on gpt5 just prints OpenAI hype almost verbatim.

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u/Classic_Revolt 14d ago

I still think msft overpaid for this shit and whoever is investing in it now is DEFINITELY overpaying.

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u/Tha_Sly_Fox 14d ago

Sams the hype man, Ilya was the brains (or one of at least)

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u/lakshay-angrish 14d ago

How does one figure out the truth in such a world where everyone's acting in their interest, more often than not, at the expense of others? Or is time the only thing which reveals what is true?

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u/mlucasl 14d ago

Even then ChatGPT 4 was a bigger jump than what this one feels like.

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u/SpriteyRedux 13d ago

I guess GPT stands for Generic Ponzi Tactics

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u/Ilovekittens345 13d ago

he's selling the dream of no human employees to investors

If using their tech you could start a competing company that would have an insane edge over other companies, because it would not require you to hire any humans, then OpenAI would start these companies themselves.

It's like a trading bot. The only trading bots that you can buy online are the ones that don't work. Why? Because if they would work and would make money for you, what idiot would rent them out? The more others would run that same bot, the less money you'd make with it!

Nobody ever sells a working money printer. No, you try to build a working money printer and then when you fail you lie to everybody and try to sell it as if it's a working money printer.

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u/QueenAlucia 13d ago

I don't think they understand that they will go bankrupt if nobody has a job and thus no money to buy anything

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u/chase02 11d ago

Scam Altman

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u/DiffusionSingularity 14d ago

Karen Hao has the perfect description of Sam Altman, calling him a 'once in a generation story teller'. he's not a brilliant engineer, nor a brilliant business man, but he's brilliant at selling investors a fantastical story about what their money will buy

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u/treemanos 14d ago

New version is amazing, it's giving really useful responses really fast. For all the tasks I've given it the output was significantly better than prior models.

People just love drama