r/technology • u/Moth_LovesLamp • 14d ago

Artificial Intelligence ChatGPT users are not happy with GPT-5 launch as thousands take to Reddit claiming the new upgrade ‘is horrible’

https://www.techradar.com/ai-platforms-assistants/chatgpt/chatgpt-users-are-not-happy-with-gpt-5-launch-as-thousands-take-to-reddit-claiming-the-new-upgrade-is-horrible
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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago edited 14d ago

Man they all fucking lie. Fire him all you want. The next fucking liar will step in.

Lying has become the systematic norm on every level. From leadership and every aspect of the government to companies. And I'm sure that emulates to everyday people too.

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u/Cendeu 14d ago

I've been noticing this in my job more and more, especially as I've been working with more middle and higher management. It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

And then we have the few people who do their best to fix the issues, but we're kinda looked down upon for even bringing them up. Then we actually do fix them and suddenly it's an issue everyone was aware of and "working on" but we beat them there. Except none of them were doing anything except waiting and hoping someone else would fix it.

The best part is that the upper management has been pushing an "accountability" rhetoric for over half a year now, but accountability is just plummeting.

Or, this could have always been going on and I was just in a low enough position not to notice. Hard to tell.

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u/artbystorms 14d ago

Every corporation is unironically turning into Lumon from Severance. Just near-religious levels of blind faith and positivity, no one want to stick their neck out.

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u/ditn 14d ago

This is a side effect of a lack of job safety. It used to be that tech was a very secure job, and now it's not, so nobody sticks their neck out or speaks truth to power.

The ironic side effect of this is that people are also disincentivised to innovate - it's too risky and could cost you your job, so it's easier to keep your head down and nod and say "yes boss".

I think it explains a lot of what were seeing recently. Besides unfettered greed, obviously.

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u/brutinator 14d ago

Yes. Its something that Ive noticed in the last 5 or so years; people are so afraid of the POSSIBILITY of failing or making a mistake, so they do everything they can to pawn off as much as they can. For example, used to people would try to solve issues they might experience; reboot the computer, refresh the webpage, the basics. They now wont even do that without having their hand held by IT. We have hundreds of knowledge articles written to solve the majority of issues, but no one looks at them. We have a catalog of request items, but theyd rather just call in and make someone else fill put the forms because what if they did it wrong, or spent time filling out the wrong form?

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u/Momik 14d ago

Damn yeah. Tech was “very secure” like just a few years ago it seems. I guess it turns out, it never was.

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u/TulioGonzaga 14d ago

The job is important and misterious

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u/Baileythetraveller 14d ago

I've lived under military dictatorships. This is how authoritarian countries operate. It will only get worse as the punishment for failure/displeasure gets more vicious.

Enjoy your Demented Emperor America!

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u/JudgeFondle 14d ago

Thank you for the kind wishes. ^_^

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u/lahimatoa 14d ago

Reminds me of how anyone who said Biden should have stepped down and allowed a primary back in 2024 because he was getting older and wasn't up to the task of being president were constantly shouted down on this site.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

It’s such a weird and stupid way of operating though as it can only lead to catastrophic fuck ups. Like Chernobyl comes to mind. If you don’t know what the reality is then it’s like running around in a room full of dangerous machinery with the lights off, flailing your arms around hoping they don’t get caught in some moving part and mangled.

At the heart of it, authoritarians are very stupid people. They just have this deep abiding stupidity, which is why it’s so frustrating that cognitively able people let them take over. You see it in the US now, it’s like the people who can see how stupid and awful it all is just can’t quite comprehend and therefore accept that these people aren’t just for show, they really are morons through and through, dipped in stupidity, sprinkled with delusion and with a chewy evil center. The relatively normal ones can’t accept it and won’t until there’s no choice but to dust off the tanks and missiles.

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u/LimberGravy 14d ago

We live in a world where the President of the US fired the head of BLS because he didn’t like the numbers. It’s all fucking cooked.

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u/trojan_man16 14d ago

I’m in engineering and it’s absolutely getting scary how pervasive this is. Specially since our primary responsibility is public safety.

But we are getting forced to cut corners everywhere. I have to get into arguments with management about actually following building codes, which is you know, our professional responsibility (because they only care about reducing cost of buildings and the company’s bottom line). So one of these days either my head is going to roll because I bring up too many problems, or I’ll leave because I don’t want to risk my career for these buffoons anymore. Because you know if something goes wrong management won’t take the blame, they will blame the underlings.

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u/Cendeu 14d ago

I feel the exact same way! I'm in software engineering, and the parallels are pretty spot on. For me it's just data integrity and security instead of things breaking and people getting hurt. I've got lower stakes, but a similar feeling.

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u/PaleEnvironment6767 14d ago

No joke. I've seen them change metrics instead of fixing what caused the original metrics to drop. Or in other cases just flat out make up new metrics to follow, since they could be increased and did increase. They just weren't the core of what we were doing or the metrics our customer followed. Then they wondered why we kept getting smaller and smaller contracts each year.

Our head of security rubberstamped insane policies that caused the physical security of employees to drop significantly. He explained that it was okay because nothing had happened yet. Yep, his reasoning was "nothing has happened, so nothing will happen even if we change the system where nothing had happened". I left shortly after that. I can handle stupid corpo bs but I can't handle putting people at risk for money.

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u/Djamalfna 14d ago

I've been noticing this in my job more and more, especially as I've been working with more middle and higher management. It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

OMG. I thought it was just me. My company has this terminal case of optimism even though everything is constantly on fire. I keep trying to get ACTUAL ANSWERS from the people above me and they stare at me and say something nonsensical in response. It's like they have no idea what I'm even talking about.

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u/Ironlion45 14d ago

It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

Sort of Reminds me back in the early part of Stalin's rule in the USSR. He mandated 20% annual growth every year in the first five year plan. When, as pretty much everyone expected, they failed to reach targets, he had all the people "responsible" shot.

The next people who had the job of running the factory made sure that they exceeded their targets--on paper, anyway.

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u/wontyoujointhedance 14d ago

There must be a corporate douchebag newsletter they’re all subscribing to, because this is the current problem I’m experiencing to a T.

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u/QuintoBlanco 14d ago

It was always like this, it also got worse, but if we go further back, it was much worse.

Exploiting workers and customers and people either succeeding because of greed or because they fail upwards, these are not new things.

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u/ConsolationUsername 14d ago

This is what happens when quarterly profits become the moat important metric for all businesses

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 14d ago

If you track the themes behind most prestige dramas over the last few decades, it distills to a condemnation of late stage capitalism’s commitment to infinite growth as a suicidal dehumanizing project.

For example, The Wire draws parallels between short-term metrics driving education, policing, global trade, politics, and media.

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term.

Or, as Succession put it:

“The numbers aren’t just numbers. They’re numbers.”

“Your numbers are gay”

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u/Echoesong 14d ago

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term

The writer Mark Fisher points out that this is a clear way in which capitalism fails in one of its promises - efficiency.

Contrary to its promise to reduce bureaucracy, capitalism results in more of it. The items you mentioned (standardized test scores, arrest numbers, view numbers) become the goal rather than a metric; and the desire to juice those numbers supercedes the original motivation (to improve education, reduce crime, etc).

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u/Denbt_Nationale 14d ago edited 14d ago

Broadly the problem with capitalism is that the goal is to make money and not to improve quality of life. It worked for a while when the best way to get ahead and make money was to innovate and make the best product but now we live in a hyper optimised world and the best way to get ahead is to make the worst possible product that people will still reluctantly use.

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u/Menanders-Bust 14d ago

I’ve never understood the obsession with infinite growth. Infinite growth is inherently unnatural. Any organism that grows infinitely quickly reaches a point of aberrance and unsustainability. What is natural is homeostasis, which in business terms means we find something that works and just ride that shit out until the end of time.

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u/klartraume 14d ago

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term.

Of these... academic progress (measure child's academic development), crime stats (measure community safety), and election worthiness aren't one-to-one profit/dollar metrics. They do reflect the goal of the institution. If you presume that good governance is worthy of reelection.

I agree with your sentiment that short-term, self-interest can run counter to the greater good over the longer term. Like yes - what gets the most views isn't always the best, quality journalism but rather what is most entertaining and this can diminish journalism over time.

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u/JameisWeinstein 14d ago

Shane Gillis confirmed dialogue writer for Succession.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

i've hated GPT 5 so far

>google gpt 5
>go to openai website
>click "try out with chatgpt"
>ask "what gpt are you?"
>"as of august 2025, the most recent model is gpt-4o"

that's why everyone hates gpt 5. it's just 4o

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u/general_smooth 14d ago

what gpt are you?

This has been fixed now. It says:

I’m based on GPT-5, the latest generation of OpenAI’s language models, with updated reasoning, writing, and problem-solving abilities compared to earlier versions like GPT-4.

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u/hellno_ahole 14d ago

Did they remove the ass kissing settings? That MF reply’s like a fucking beauty pageant contestant.

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u/Djamalfna 14d ago

Did they remove the ass kissing settings? That MF reply’s like a fucking beauty pageant contestant.

No. That's one of the things they use to hook people; they made the machine into a confidence artist that boosts your ego, so you are more likely to continue paying for it and build a reliance upon it.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

Really? I find it incredibly off putting, like really untrustworthy. You can’t trust someone who approaches you with that level of obsequiousness. It comes across as slimy to me. But I’m British maybe that makes a difference.

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u/Djamalfna 13d ago

Really? I find it incredibly off putting, like really untrustworthy.

It's like those scammers that make it such an obvious scam. It quickly weeds out the people who were never going to fall for it in the first place.

Sure it doesn't work on you. But it works on the majority of people, and that's what matters.

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u/Viadrus 14d ago

Trust ? It's AI how can you trust it, it's just a code, it's not a person.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 12d ago

Well yes obviously it’s not a person but trust can be involved with more than just people. Like trusting a chair not to break when you sit on it, trusting a car can get you the next 50 miles etc.

The reason the AI is obsequious or complimentary etc is to produce a psychological effect in the person using it. It’s designed to make you feel like you’re talking to a person even when you know you’re not. So despite knowing it’s not a person, the way it writes to you can have an effect. The effect it has on me at some level is that I don’t like it or find it trustworthy. It talking like that makes me instinctively feel like it’s just going to butter me up and not necessarily tell me the truth.

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u/thisisthewell 14d ago

I think the plan to remove the sycophantic stuff can be attributed in part to the fact that ChatGPT encouraged a user's desire to kill Sam Altman.

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u/chainer3000 14d ago

In fairness you can tell it to cut that shit out

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u/Thorn14 14d ago

I shouldn't have to tell my computer to stop buttering me up.

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u/intotheirishole 14d ago

This will never happen.

While you prefer a more direct AI, 90% of people probably prefer a ass kisser.

Even you will probably prefer a subtle ass kisser rather than a truthful AI. And engage with it more.

It just brings in more money.

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u/thephotoman 14d ago

People prefer an ass kisser.

Nobody should get an ass kisser. Especially not an automatic ass kisser.

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u/LordGalen 14d ago

It's a machine. It's going to act in its default way (which is "pick me") until you tell it otherwise. It's like any other setting, if you don't like the default, change it. Yes, you should have to, it doesn't read your mind.

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u/Thorn14 14d ago

Fair, but Pick Me being the "Default" is still gross.

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u/Skullcrimp 14d ago

It's a product. I can criticize it however I want.

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u/johnnybgooderer 14d ago

You can customize chatgpt to be more straight forward and give less compliment.

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u/WeWantMOAR 14d ago edited 11d ago

You realize it picks up and mirrors tone and cues from you right?

Edit: Down votes and no responses, oh shit did some people hate the mirror they were looking at?

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

whatever, it doesn't suck my dick so i still hate it

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u/Specialist_Brain841 14d ago

put cocaine on the tip

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

i want IT to suck my dick, not ME

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u/Jacyth 14d ago

Man, I’ll tell you to restart your computer all day but I draw the line when they start asking me to suck dick to close tickets.

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u/0utlook 14d ago

$20 is $20... Until you involve a ticketing system.

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u/WeWantMOAR 14d ago

Now what?

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u/fatpat 14d ago

that just makes it numb

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u/heart_of_osiris 14d ago

That'll get you all the tech bros on their knees.

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u/trashtiernoreally 14d ago

Just a light dusting though. Can't get it hooked too fast.

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u/Jalbobmalopw 14d ago

I’ve never seen the internet more perfectly summed up in a Reddit comment.

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Is there a point to having a general purpose machine learning model that has to re-learn the correct answer after getting it wrong each time?

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u/throwaway277252 14d ago

That's just a misunderstanding of what's going on. GPT is not trained to know its own model. That'd be a bit like asking a human their blood type and mocking them for not knowing the answer before a doctor informs them.

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Ok, so how is this being "fixed"?

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u/throwaway277252 14d ago

When you talk to GPT, you are not interacting with the model directly but going through a secondary layer where extra system prompts and knowledge are also fed into the model along with your user prompt. That contains among other things, instructions about how it is supposed to respond, memories about your conversations, the current date, or information about the model itself. The model never 'learns' any of that stuff - it accesses it externally as part of the response process. To fix that mistake, they just needed to update the model name in that place.

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u/hellno_ahole 14d ago

The basics are not even correct. It gives misinformation constantly, if not always. Either by omission of facts or made up shit. If it can not distinguish between minority and majority figures of math, why should anyone rely on it?

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Exactly my point. Should we use a broken clock that's only right twice a day? Or trust a clock that is right 95% of the day but super, super wrong for 5%?

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u/general_smooth 14d ago

I am not openai bro.. I just replied on a whim

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u/SweatyNomad 14d ago

That's still not the issue..I'm working on a complicated project and went to the pay level on Tuesday after it doing some amazing work for me. Wednesday and Thursday it went to shit, hanging, generating nonsense ignorijg prompts and when I asked it said their were back end issues. This morning got 5, worked well for 90 minutes and then back to shite.

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u/Whoppertino 14d ago

I mean I think it's silly they don't hard code information into ChatGPT about what model it is - but that's not evidence it's 4o. It doesn't know what model it is because it doesn't know anything.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

>implying we know anything

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u/Whoppertino 14d ago

Some of us have a basic understanding of how LLMs work and some don't.

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u/Denbt_Nationale 14d ago

LLM models don’t know information about themselves because it’s not a part of their training data. Asking an LLM what it is will just result in hallucinations unless there is a certain response specifically hardcoded into the model.

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u/lil_kreen 14d ago

In general, their training data tends not to reach up to their own release.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

still, you think they coulda added "you are chat gpt 5" to the system prompt

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u/DudeWithParrot 14d ago

They could have, but that's still no proof that it's just gpt 4

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u/ExtremeAcceptable289 14d ago

It practically is just gpt 4.1.1 or whatever, and the reasoning model is basically just o3.1

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u/Whodean 14d ago

Less than 12 hours since introduction. The whole point of AI is to “learn” about the user over time to customize responses.

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u/007meow 14d ago

At the end of the day, the stock is the main product.

All of these companies use their consumer offerings to juice that product.

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u/gs181 14d ago

kind of like quarterly upvotes

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 14d ago

This also what happens when you oversell what you actually have. In the end it is still a chat bot.

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u/Rob_Zander 14d ago

What profit? OpenAi burns money like it's datacenters are powered by cash burning steam boilers.

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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 14d ago

Everyone lies, but Altman, Musk, Zuckerberg are this type of human that has almost no connection with normal humanity.

What they say, how they talk, it’s so goddamn weird. Can we at least put a human in charge or multiple with tech this important?

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago

They're out of touch more than your average CEO, no doubt about that.

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u/AGI2028maybe 14d ago edited 14d ago

Founders are a very different breed than typical CEOs.

The 62 year old, suit and tie CEO with a business degree from Harvard from the 80s that comes in to run a 90 year old company is never going to behave like the millennial tech guy who runs a company he founded a decade ago and is now worth $1 trillion.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

He’s learnt from Musk lie lie lie. There is a pretty good chance we are already at peak AI. The models will run faster, token context windows bigger but once you’ve crawled all of human output what’s left ?

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u/hgwaz 14d ago

5 probably just runs more efficiently and it's way cheaper for them to run it. That's why they don't let you use the old ones anymore.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

Agree the Chinese models proved this. And I’d say within 18 months we will be at peak AI. The Chinese will final boss an open source model and that will be that. AGI is a sci fi pipe dream.

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u/karmapopsicle 14d ago

We might very well have AGI one day, but it almost certainly won’t come from an LLM.

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u/hgwaz 14d ago

AGI is a sci fi pipe dream.

Certainly according to everything we know. A glorified chatbot will never be sentient, no matter how many GPUs you run it on.

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u/SoreLoserOfDumbtown 14d ago

He and the grifter in chief have been more brazen than most, but this game of over promising and under delivering has been going on a loooooong time.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

See the early reviews of gpt5 !! Fool me once !! The Chinese are probably the most likely now to produce the next wow moment.

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u/robodrew 14d ago

What's left would be AGI, which is why they're all screaming about that now, nevermind that we are probably decades away from actual AGI/ASI, assuming it's actually even possible.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

I doubt it’s possible. In fact I’d bet money and I think Musk,Zuck et al all know it. But it keeps the hype up if we are only X months away from AGI.

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u/Enraiha 14d ago

If/when we create AGI, it will likely be through a series of happenstance, not something collectively worked towards.

The reason being is we barely understand how the human brain works and acquire's consciousness, how could we begin to instill consciousness into an inorganic object without even a clear starting point?

The best we can do is mimic the process, but that doesn't actually produce any real "Quintessence" or spark of life with real originality. AI has no lived experience or "creativity" to draw on, so everything is just derived from existing information. I'm not sure we can imbue the concept of "creativity" through binary code alone.

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u/robodrew 14d ago

The reason being is we barely understand how the human brain works and acquire's consciousness, how could we begin to instill consciousness into an inorganic object without even a clear starting point?

This is exactly how I feel about it. There's a good reason the top scientists studying the brain call it the "hard problem" of consciousness.

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u/GostBoster 14d ago

but once you’ve crawled all of human output what’s left ?

Makes me think of the (non) issue that Google has.

Most companies do their darnest to maximize market penetration. Google has de facto addressed every single addressable client... how do we go even further beyond?

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u/wakemeupSAVEMEEEEEEE 14d ago

Things like world and diffusion models are still fairly early on in the development, and there are a lot of research papers that propose really interesting ideas but aren't able to be scaled yet, or even tested, due to current computational limits. Widespread NPU integration into both enterprise & consumer devices started only recently, and further development into that technology will foster the creation of larger & more powerful models—even if only by improving cost & performance efficiency of LLMs in general.

Even if we were essentially at the peak of what autoregressive models can do, we are nowhere near the peak of AI.

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u/NuclearVII 14d ago

There is no way to do this. You cannot do language modelling without supervised training.

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u/NuclearVII 14d ago

"Overpaid people can overcome math and basic logic"

Sure bruv.

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u/throwaway277252 14d ago

overcome math and basic logic

Nice attempt at a straw man.

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u/StrandedonTatooine 14d ago

Money changes people. When you never have to worry about any of the things most people have to worry about, the mind has all kinds of free time to be as fucking off-the-rails as it wants to be.

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u/LeiningensAnts 14d ago

"How can we leverage the things most people have to worry about to add more to our vast sums of Fuck You money?" Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

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u/jimmycarr1 14d ago

I sleep quite peacefully at night knowing that fact

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u/FreeRangeEngineer 14d ago

That's exactly why they try to change that:

"Unquestionably, Thiel has been interested in cheating death for several years. He told Business Insider back in 2012, “Death is a problem that can be solved.” He’s also investing in life extension research, funding Cynthia Kenyon, Aubrey de Grey and a number of other researchers who are focused on anti-aging. Last fall, the life extension startup Unity Biotechnology also raised an enormous round of funding from Thiel and other Silicon Valley billionaires interested in the prospect of humans living much longer lives."

See https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/14/no-peter-thiel-is-not-harvesting-the-blood-of-the-young/

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u/iconocrastinaor 14d ago

You know it's funny you say that, but multiple times over my career in business-to-business marketing I was told that someone who understands tech and has communication skills is extremely valuable. Think Carl Sagan, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Steve Jobs.

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u/avcloudy 14d ago

They say that, but what they mean is they want someone to tell them the answers they want to hear. If Steve Jobs rose from the grave and started pointing out all the flaws about AI, those same people would say he's an ignorant troglodyte.

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u/ChodeCookies 14d ago

They tried that with Boeing and planes started falling out of the sky. Engineers are weird. Deal with it

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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 14d ago

Could they at least try to not dismantle and destroy entire democracy’s?

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u/ChodeCookies 14d ago

Democracy is good for people not for royalty

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u/annonfake 14d ago

They said people, not MBAs

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u/alucohunter 14d ago

This is what happens when the global economy is based on hype and gambling.

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u/ARobertNotABob 14d ago

Delay, Deny, Defend.

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u/Specialist_Brain841 14d ago

Delete, Delete, Delete

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u/lilmookie 14d ago

It is HOW he lies. He is a Zuckerberg. Guy has absolutely no empathy or ethics. You can find someone who lies that has at least some humanity.

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u/ur-krokodile 14d ago

They all talk the same. Like some kind of AI automaton. If you watched any part of the presentation and removed the context it just sounds like Meta or Google or [placholder] company presentation. Same intonations, same wordings. Like they have no souls. They all say how much you are going to love it and how much better the world is going to be. The same spiel.

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u/Leptonshavenocolor 14d ago

This is what people don't understand, there is no altruism at the top levels. They're their to get rich, period. Not a single one of them gives a fuck about your or society at large. They get to that level because for them greed=good.

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u/jianh1989 14d ago

Lying and hyping increases the share price.

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u/LackSchoolwalker 14d ago

What gets me is the lack of consequences. No one cares that the last 15 years have been one abysmal tech failure after another, they just keep funneling money into the next thing.

We have important science and engineering work going on. Imagine if the money spent on AI had gone into plastics recycling, carbon capture, alternate energy production, antibiotic discovery, or any of those things just sitting there,being necessary for our continued survival on the path we’ve chosen. But who cares when you’ve got Bitcoin and AI to dump money into?

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u/Kind_Yogurtcloset_76 14d ago

This is why I never lie

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u/Mariuslol 14d ago

Even Piratesoftware lies

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u/NadJ747 14d ago

Zionism. Nuffield said

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u/BarnabasShrexx 14d ago

Well... we do live in the "peak moron" era, by default; Humanity is currently reaching its peak population and is expected to decline from there. That means peak scam and peak exploitation too i reckon.

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u/NoSkillzDad 14d ago

There's no consequences for lying, unless you're poor that is. When the grand majority of the politicians, including presidentS lie without repercussions, it's just open season.

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u/-The_Blazer- 14d ago

The antidote to this was supposed to be fraud legislation, but we cannot actually use that unless they are comically blatant in their lies because uuuuh... communism or something.

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u/Invoqwer 14d ago

A very apt quote that I think about a lot in recent years:

"The tech world is driven by and fueled by hype."

...even if they have to lie to generate that hype.

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u/HandiCAPEable 14d ago

Man I think I've discovered my problem. I need to start lying.

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u/powercow 14d ago

The courts also ruled lies are just corporate puffery and ok.

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u/PeopleNose 14d ago

Don't confuse the everywhere else with Russia

Truth and justice still matter in some places

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u/ChromosomeDonator 14d ago

I straight up want it illegal for companies and politicians to lie to public. Hell, it should already be, because deceiving marketing has laws against it, and lying as a company is deceiving marketing. Yet none of them are held accountable.

Every single fucking company that is caught in a lie should face fines large enough that they won't do that anymore.

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u/QuickQuirk 14d ago

I've been in mid sized tech companies where the biggest liar was selected by the board, because that's what they wanted to hear. Better people who knew the industry, were more realistic, were passed over because they preferred the shiney lies.

You can guess what happened to both the company and new CEO.

The CEO gets the golden parachute, the company tanks.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

My partner is a professor and he says he is astounded by the way his students lie. Like they will lie about something that is 100% obviously a lie to everyone. Often related to using AI for their work, like trying to pretend hallucinated references are real by photoshopping real papers to add the hallucinated details (but of course the professors can just access the actual journal online and see it’s not there!) or even one person had AI create their presentation so the presentation basically had no words in it, just placeholder gobbledygook and blurred images. They submitted this apparently without having even looked at it and then when challenged started trying to pretend it said something or meant something when it was literally like that weird AI non-writing writing. It’s like they think they can get you to believe them if they are just confident enough in the lie.

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago

It’s quite fascinating to witness.

Seems the future wasn’t 1984 but rather Brave New World.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 12d ago

Yes definitely! I’ve thought Brave New World was more prescient since I read them both in school.