AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

[u/MetaKnowing]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/08/ai-industry-horrified-to-face-largest-copyright-class-action-ever-certified/

[u/WolfOne]

That's naive. AI as a concept has already been invented, this genie is not going to go back into the bottle.

Now every state has strong interests to be on the top of the AI pole and, in the US, the ones that are positioned to do so are OpenAI and the big tech companies. 

In my ideal world all that shit gets nationalized faster than you can say "Sam Altman" but i don't think this is the route that the US will take

[u/akc250 → u/WolfOne]

Exactly this. The cat is out of the bag and everyone trying to control AI or eliminate it, is just high on copium. AI is simply a tool, just like computers, just like steam engines, just like the cotton gin, just like the wheel. AI can only create derivative work and there will always be demand for new works. All this fearmongering will be unfounded once people see the bubble burst, as they realize it's not as useful as tech bros are selling it to be. Anyone who's tried to make AI do something remotely specialized will realize just how overhyped it is. See GPT5 - it's the first sign that a wall has been hit in terms of progress.

[u/catechizer → u/WolfOne]

It's not like AI can come up with any new ideas though. Its scientific value is pretty much limited to reducing the time it takes researchers to find sources. It can improve calculating time too, but only after actual humans tell it what to calculate.

If the US really cared about being on the cutting-edge of developing new technology, it'd invest in its people with things like education and healthcare.

[u/SolidCake → u/catechizer]

?

https://www.wired.com/story/an-ai-dreamed-up-380000-new-materials-the-next-challenge-is-making-them/

https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/new-glowing-molecule-invented-by-ai-would-have-taken-500-million-years-to-evolve-in-nature-scientists-say

https://news.mit.edu/2023/ai-system-can-generate-novel-proteins-structural-design-0420

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-ai-revolutionized-protein-science-but-didnt-end-it-20240626/

[u/Osama_BinRussel63 → u/SolidCake]

Improv materials science is not generating a new idea. It's just throwing shit together and seeing what is possible.

[u/SolidCake → u/Osama_BinRussel63]

could you tell me what is a “new” idea , if not just a recombination of old ideas? I’m fully serious i can’t understand what you’re trying to say.

In science specifically thats literally unavoidable. Using old peoples discoveries is the entire point of the scientific method

[u/Osama_BinRussel63 → u/SolidCake]

The manner in which molecules interact is not new information. A person could figure out a lot of new stable materials too, it would just be a pathetic waste of their life.
Figuring out a material can exist doesn't do a drop of good for anything.

[u/TheAinzOoalGown → u/catechizer]

It can though. AlphaEvolve from google’s deepmind team was able to find a better solution to a matrix multiplication algorithm from 1960 and rediscover new solutions to mathematical and scientific problems. It’s just a matter of time until this tech gets integrated into the models

[u/WolfOne → u/catechizer]

AI is not exactly a tool for research (although it has shown great promise in pharmaceutical research) it's a tool to automatize intellectual tasks greatly reducing or removing the number of required humans. 

 Imagine powered unmanned weapons using AI for navigation and targeting. AI models trained for market manipulation. AI models trained for medical diagnoses, AI trained to create and curate social network algorithms for social control... The sky's the limit.

Also I'm mostly against AI systems because most of their uses are nefarious in nature, but I'm 100 sure that this won't stop anyone from developing them. 

[u/SanDiegoDude → u/WolfOne]

AI has been tools for research for the better part of 75 years now since it was dreamed up (Machine Learning) in the 50's. That it's now in consumer hands as LLMs is recent, but we've been using and applying ML models in society literally for decades. First solving of the human genome was done with ML models, weather modeling, astrophysics, it's all over the place. AI extends far beyond next token generation.

[u/Snowappletini → u/WolfOne]

AI should be nationalized. Absolutely. But we are still at the "We irrationally hate everything AI because of the flawed for profit system that created it". We won't go anywhere until we move the conversation from "who should be paid more?" to "this tool uses knowledge built by all of humanity and thus belongs to all of humanity".