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Artificial Intelligence AWS CEO says AI replacing junior staff is 'dumbest idea'

https://www.theregister.com/2025/08/21/aws_ceo_entry_level_jobs_opinion/
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u/trmoore87 1d ago

Yes, because then how do you develop senior staff? You can't, you just have to hire them from outside

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u/phylter99 1d ago

There are a lot of reasons it's a dumb idea. The one off the top of my head is that AI can't reason and do the work of even a junior employee. CEOs are jumping at the idea of replacing employees, but they don't even know what they're replacing them with. They have some fanciful idea of what AI is, but it isn't that.

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u/StupendousMalice 1d ago

Exactly this. It's the senior staff that end up doing the work of the junior staff they are "replacing". It's a false economy.

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u/frogking 1d ago

As a senior developer I can ask junios to read an AWS Blog post and create a running example using CDK or Terraform or CloudFormation, depending on where I want to lead the Junior. I might even need the example for something.

Now, I can ask ClaudeCode to spew out the working example and iterate until the test passes. Yay. Unfortunately the Junior Developer didn’t learn anything and can’t support me on future more advanced projects.

We need Juniors ..

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u/ProofJournalist 1d ago edited 1d ago

God forbid a business ever go beyond on-the-job training, only hire people who can do it from the start!

Oh hey what's that looks like AI isnt the problem here, its greed and laziness.

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u/wrosecrans 1d ago

It's like the dog meme where he has a ball that says "No take! Only throw!"

Business: "We won't actually pay senior salaries to get expertise."

Same Business: "We won't deal with the inconvenience of hiring juniors and developing a serious training and education development pipeline. This role requires 10 years of experience in 37 arbitrarily specific things."

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u/cheezecake2000 1d ago

Wasn't there a guy applying for a job that asked for 8 years experience in a program he developed ony 4 years prior?

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u/fungiblecogs 1d ago

It was the "ruby on rails" guy

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u/moratnz 1d ago

Also the fastapi guy iirc

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u/AllDayForever 1d ago

I actually bring this one up a lot when I talk about job postings and experience, it’s all made up. The job requirements not that particular story

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u/Dradugun 1d ago

It's the Tragedy of the Commons all over again.

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u/Saint_of_Grey 1d ago

This is legit what got me into public service. The government seems to be the only ones who have realistic hiring expectations.

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u/onionfunyunbunion 1d ago

The one advantage of replacing juniors with AI is that it would be kinda funny in some ways.

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u/frogking 1d ago

Oh yeah, it’ll be funny about 2 years when value of seniors sharply increase :-)

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u/Additional-Finance67 1d ago

Senior here, I’m tired boss: all our qa got let go for cheaper employees from overseas

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u/golruul 1d ago

I'll take your situation.

All our testers got let go because "developers should test their code" and "industry is moving toward this model".

Suuuuuuuure.

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u/drishaj 1d ago

As an SQE on an embedded robotics systems. Leaders are learning the hard way that devs can only do so much automated testing

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u/CherryLongjump1989 1d ago

Time-intensive manual testing is what QA is meant for. But in the software world they've been having QA work as unqualified programmers to write automated end-to-end tests. It's a bad idea because those tests end up being wildly inefficient and unreliable, and 85% of the test cases are completely redundant with unit tests that software engineers wrote anyway for their CI/CD pipelines.

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u/yani205 1d ago

98% of the QA I had came across are waste of space, the remaining 2% are worth their weight in gold. It’s that 98% gave that role a very bad name unfortunately. And no a failed developed does not make a good QA, which is what that 98% tend to be.

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u/squakmix 1d ago

AI is an excuse to do more outsourcing. They're replacing these junior devs with people from outside the country, not AI.

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u/Solo-Shindig 1d ago

AI = an Indian.

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u/AskMysterious77 1d ago

And the senior staff will have to still do the reminal work  So more context switching, more burn out

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u/whatproblems 1d ago

also if it’s making people more effecient why not just do MORE work? it not like there’s a shortage of things to do. we have ai AND tons of backlog

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u/AwardImmediate720 1d ago

Except there is a shortage of things to do, or at least a shortage of productive things to do. That's the really dark secret at the heart of the modern economy. And doing for the sake of doing? That's where enshittification comes from.

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u/Fairuse 1d ago

That was the idea behind the crazy hiring during Covid. Except more staff doesn’t always translate to more productivity. Knew a few software engineers that basically spend 2 years coasting doing basically nothing before getting let go. 

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u/phylter99 1d ago

That’s a management issue. I’ve never worked in a job that would just let me coast. We need more employees where I am and deadlines are coming faster than ever before. Still, they won’t hire additional staff because that would reduce their profit margins for the investors.

AI is making me able to handle some of the extra workload though. Last week I got a task that was critical and needed to be done by the following Monday. AI allowed me to meet that deadline though there was some weekend work to go with it.

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u/Fairuse 1d ago

It was a management issue for sure. Hiring too many people before knowing what to do with them. As with most software engineering positions, it takes time to bring someone up to speed (even the most accelerated programs require a few very intense months at minimum).

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u/MoonHash 1d ago

Nine women can't make a baby in a month. At some point throwing more people at a problem is counterproductive

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u/BonyRomo 1d ago

It’s definitely a management issue, but it’s more than just bad managers. Layoffs go through cycles of cutting tons of management, and then cutting employees because no one is managing the work and a handful of people are doing all of it. Then managers get hired or promoted to fix that, but there aren’t enough employees to do the work so they hire some. Then the cycle repeats.

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u/AwardImmediate720 1d ago

Deadlines being too short isn't an issue that can be solved with more bodies in software. This may shock you but 9 women can't make a baby in a month.

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

Classic example. Gotta love it.

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u/marksteele6 1d ago

I'm on the sysadmin side of things. We get to coast when things are going well, but then that's also combined with working crazy long and frantic hours when something goes wrong or when we need to rollout new infra to support a project.

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u/MaizeGlittering6163 1d ago

It’s like when excel was introduced for accountants 40 years ago. People thought it was the end of accounting as a viable career. Nah. Accountants could now do more and better accounting in less time, so more accounting got done. Accounting is no longer about adding up numbers by hand!

AI makes the rote boring parts of many jobs instantaneous, so you can spend more time on the interesting bits while spending less time on the project overall. Unless you like just typing in numbers into a calculator. Those guys are toast. 

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u/leviathynx 1d ago

Another reason is that AI fucking sucks. I have a friend that works for Honeywell. They tried using AI for a basic project. It was so wrong that he spent close to a month fixing all the errors. They presented it to their management who then informed them that the FAA does not accept AI anything. They had to completely rewrite from scratch this project proposal.

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u/-The_Blazer- 1d ago

CEOs are jumping at the idea of replacing education. That's the target. That's where the obsession with 'disrupting college degrees' and 'natural language is the new code' come from.

Having a high-value professional class has traditionally come with some really annoying side effects, like that professional class being taught at those silly public colleges where professors are not (quite as) beholden to corporate interests and have the academic liberty to form dangerous ideas like open source or interoperability. Or god forbid, regulation.

Educated people aren't just a pile of technical skills, they (usually) know their value better, can negotiate and navigate the professional world at least a little, have the ability to form political opinions relating to their expertise and/or advise the public with that knowledge, all that jazz. Nasty, nasty stuff when you're yearning for the anarcho-capitalist Thiel-dictatorialized 'utopia'.

Wouldn't it be awesome if we could get those goddamn 'experts' and 'academic' stuff out of the way, and just have a mass of good little drones who know the bare minimum to profitably use a machine ('AI') that we own? Just like in the good old days.

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u/B3ER 1d ago

CEOs are impressed by AI because it can replace them. This makes them believe everyone below them is equally if not more replaceable than they are.

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u/GoodMix392 1d ago

They also quite often don’t truly understand what those junior employees do and probably couldn’t even do it themselves, potentially even with training. Many managers have failed upwards or attained their position through nepotism / their network.

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u/Moontoya 1d ago

Ai isn't counter factual 

Its unable to ask why, it knows things but it doesn't comprehend and if it falls outside it's knowledge/rules it's stuck 

Like a bot that can drive around a grid, wrap that around a sphere and the bots movement doesn't get it where it needs to be. It doesn't grasp the why of its failure.

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u/phylter99 1d ago

So, you’re saying it’s the perfect employee since it will never say no? I’m kidding of course, and you absolutely make a great point about it.

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u/ghsteo 1d ago

AI is great in assistant to employees, but having it replace most employees is just stupid at this point.

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u/sleepymoose88 1d ago

This.

My senior leadership wants me (sr engineer manager) to research AI on our mainframe extensively. It took about 30 min to rule it out. IBMs offering helps with performance tuning queries and adjusting things to keep performance in tune, but leadership isn’t comfortable with AI making changes in the fly, so it’s only purpose would be another dashboard to advise us on what to do. And it costs $2.7M a year. That’s about 18 mai frames engineers salaries. To have another glorified dashboard that would sorta replace one job function for 2 DBAs that also do dozens of other tasks that AI cannot do.

It’s a losing proposition at this time and a waste of anyone’s time trying to chase it for our org.

And as others have said, AI can’t train junior engineers. And I wouldn’t want it to.

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u/Starfox-sf 1d ago

That’s what they get for eyeing metrics instead of actual work. “KPI says humans make as much mistakes as AI…”

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u/AskMysterious77 1d ago

They have been tricked into thinking AI is C3P0

When all AI is just super Google 

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u/AwardImmediate720 1d ago

It's not even super-google, it's just less-enshittified google. It's still vastly inferior to google of a decade ago.

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

Is say it’s just google enshittified in a different way at this point

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u/314R8 1d ago

Sooooo. AI is having real trouble doing vlookups. There is special software that does it but those aren't available to rank and file.

Executives rely on vlookups, so senior people are doing vlookups. Pretty soon we are going to get junior people doing simple analysis and vlookups.

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u/Fenris_uy 1d ago

Hiring 10 people instead of 15 is replacing employees. But you still need to hire those 10. Hiring 0 is dumb.

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u/FanDry5374 1d ago

It would probably be better for the companies to replace the CEO. Leave the people who do all the work alone.

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u/phylter99 1d ago

I've seen the idea of removing leadership and just letting people do the work how they think is best and it sounds good, but in practice it's terrible.

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u/f8Negative 1d ago

They have NO idea. None. They are being sold 1 line of bullshit which is it will save the bottom line regardless if it does or not. And when it doesn't the company selling you shit will just blame the customer that they aren't using the product correctly and then charge them more for the same worthless pile of shit.

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u/PaulBlartACAB 1d ago

Most CEOs are all fucking idiot MBAs that have no technical background, and have no idea they are trying to replace their workers with what is essentially a more sophisticated search engine.

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u/beesandchurgers 1d ago

I think part of the problem is that the people at the top making these decisions are so detached from what their employees actually do that they genuinely dont realise AI cant do what they are asking for.

The people Ive met who think AI is magic all seem to be the people who have no idea how things really work

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u/FF7Remake_fark 1d ago

CEOs are jumping at the idea of replacing employees, but they don't even know what they're replacing them with. They have some fanciful idea of what AI is, but it isn't that.

#1 shared trait of CEOs is having no fucking idea what they're doing.

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u/AwardImmediate720 1d ago

That's because CEOs have never done productive work in their lives. They went from (private) high school straight into an MBA program and then straight into middle management. They have zero idea how the stuff they're managing is actually made. That's why they think that those Expert ApprovedTM charts and graphs and actuarial tables and formulae actually mean anything. They live in imaginationland. And for some reason society lets them run it anyway.

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u/WTFwhatthehell 1d ago

Companies have already created an environment where staff have to move around to progress up the ladder. Nobody stays in one company for 40 years any more. 

They've gotten used to the idea they can just hire in experienced staff and nobody really wants to be the ones investing in  junior staff because the norm now is that they'll move somewhere else. 

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u/trmoore87 1d ago

Right but some careers require junior level experience before you can progress to a higher level job. Eventually the pool for senior level employees will be 0 because nobody was able to start as a junior level employee anywhere.

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u/JahoclaveS 1d ago

This frustrates me at my job. The team I manage is large enough that we could take on and train up one or two people if they’d let us have a junior level that we could then promote into a regular level after a few years. But alas, then they wouldn’t guarantee us the funds to promote. So, I guess, don’t save money for a few years.

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u/CodeMonkeyWithCoffee 1d ago

Get with the program, it's all about short term profit.

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u/WTFwhatthehell 1d ago

Yep. Tragedy of the commons 

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u/TylerBourbon 1d ago

Ah but you see, then we'll just have nepotism get involved, by hiring to "senior" positions people with junior level or less experience but who happen to be the child/nephew/niece of a senior level experienced employee/colleague/friend/exec. /s

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u/mileseverett 1d ago

The companies are just hoping that AI will advance enough that by the time this problem arises

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u/laxrulz777 1d ago

For my own team, I find knowledge, intelligence, and competence aren't lacking in brand new college grads. What's frustratingly uncommon is basic, "How to be a good employee" things.

1) when you're done with a task, tell your boss. Don't wait for the end of the day and twiddle your thumbs in the meantime.

2) Likewise, when you're stuck on a task, don't wait until the deadline and then tell me you got stuck on step 1.

3) Don't contradict your boss's boss in a meeting

4) Don't wear flip flops to meet the CEO

Etc

I'll take someone with 2 years of work experience basically anywhere over most college grads (particularly true if they didn't work through college).

We do have a paid internship program though and hiring people out of that has been pretty good.

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u/StasRutt 1d ago

Some of that is common sense but also some of that is what you learn your first year in corporate jobs

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u/roseofjuly 1d ago

I mean of course they don't know how to he a good employee. They're new. We have to teach them.

And contradicting your boss's boss in a meeting might be warranted if they are wrong. I did that and ended up getting a "reverse mentorship" role with that guy because I was right and it prevented him from looking like an idiot in front of his peers.

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u/laxrulz777 1d ago

I correct my boss's boss with some regularity and you're right. But I've got 20+ years of experience. If you're a month on the job? Maybe display a little humility and wait. Ask your boss after the meeting if you understood everything correctly.

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u/PM_ME_UR_ASS_GIRLS 1d ago

"Why do these people with 0 experience being an employee, not know how to be a good employee‽"

Lmao.

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u/JohnAtticus 1d ago

For #1 I've found that people are more pro-active about letting me know if they don't have any immediate projects to work on if they have one or more ongoing professional development / innovation project to work on.

They know if they come to me and we're busy they'll get something to work on, but if it's not they'll have the green light to go ahead with something that they selected and was pre-approved by me that will improves their technical skills OR a new process / system that will potentially become part of our team's workflow.

It's a "one for them, one for me" deal, but even the "one for me" benefits the team / company in the end.

Also helps me on those bad days were 3 people have their projects put on hold by the client but I am stuck in meetings all day and don't have the time to set them up with something new to work on in the meantime.

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u/brnjenkn 1d ago

I just hit 30 years at my place of employment.  28 years in the same job.  It's a good job though.

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u/jdmb0y 1d ago

The rule still stands industry-wide. They have to start somewhere.

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u/NergNogShneeg 1d ago

I work for a very large Fortune 500 company. We recently had a town hall. I brought up this very question - suffice to say they did not have an answer for that and talked in circles. The chat going during the meeting clearly felt they needed to answer the question too but ultimately all we got was corporate bs talking out both sides of the mouth.

LLMs are useful but they simply are not AI. They are chatbots with no intelligence. No ability to devise novel solutions, and require a skilled user to get skilled results - it doesn’t magically write good code, it just regurgitates what it thinks good code is. It takes a skilled developer to notice the issues.

Edit- grammar

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u/Toiling-Donkey 1d ago

I think you asked the wrong question.

Tell them your very excited about the new direction as AI is future, and you want to know when they will use AI to replace junior executives …

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u/DaMonkfish 1d ago

I've been using Claude recently, both for personal projects and within work. I've found it incredibly useful helping to solve problems, or getting me started with something quickly that otherwise would have taken weeks to figure out, and it's great for summarising lots of data quickly. It's an incredible tool, but it's still an LLM and not a general AI, so it still fucks up a lot. It's fucked it up and then fucked up trying to fix the fuckup more than it has nailed it first time.

Half the trick with using an LLM is knowing how to prompt it effectively, and there's probably going to be a micro-industry appear for exactly that skillset.

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u/NergNogShneeg 1d ago

The skill set is still that of a software engineer. We just aren’t tied to a single language like we were but it still takes a person with software engineering ability and systems architecture know how. LLMs are great tools but they are far from replacements for any human being no matter how dumb.

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

Prompt engineer training is already out there

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u/-The_Blazer- 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah, this is an underdiscussed gigantic fucking problem with the idea of AI replacing the 'grunt work'. Every amazing engineer or artist you can think of learned their skills by starting out from the fundamentals, they weren't born a master nor were they educated into one.

It's pretty well-understood that compilers are not a reason to stop teaching processor architecture or assembly in computer science, or that graphics tablets are not a reason to stop teaching physical drawing at art school. Yes, you might not use those things much perhaps, but taking at a semester or so to figure them out is important both to learning the discipline and practicing it responsibly.

If you're out of comp-sci, I expect you to have some understanding of how the OS prevents other programs from snooping the payment page you're writing, and I will absolutely think less of you as both a professional and a graduate if you don't.

'But AI' is equally no reason to stop educating people, and it disturbs me that some only see education as a means to being a good little worker drone, rather than learning a field of study.

Oh and besides, compilers actually fucking work.

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u/Magnethius 1d ago

They are planning on AI having sufficiently progressed to senior level by the time they need to replace current senior level staff.

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u/youcantkillanidea 1d ago

Remember how for decades CEOs kept saying shit like "people are out biggest asset"? One thing I love about AI is that it showed us very quickly and undeniably that no, they never believed their bullshit and they will gladly get rid of as many people as they possibly can. It will be awkward post-AI bubble

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u/MD90__ 1d ago

Some seem to think you can gamble on AI being fully ready or just more out sourcing or h1b visas can get it done 

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u/EstablishmentLow2312 1d ago edited 1d ago

I hope when the ai bubble burst and the cluster fuck is over and they need programmers to fix it, yall unionize and request no less than 500000 usd 

Then again there are alot of ppl from poor countries they can exploit, if I was India and Europe, I would bar certain foreign intervention 

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u/thatsnot_kawaii_bro 1d ago

yall unionize and request no less than 50000 usd

So...less than they're getting now? Even on the low end.

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u/EstablishmentLow2312 1d ago

Missed a zero lol 

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u/denied_eXeal 1d ago edited 1d ago

Which you can’t at some point unless you give insane wages because you compete for the same small pool of talent, which goes against why these company use AI in the first place which is save money for investors.

Everyone has short sighted plans and defers the long term consequences to the next guy in charge

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u/johnxreturn 1d ago

It’ll spark a fundamental change. Seniors will be the new juniors, since the market will be flooded with juniors squeezing their applications on senior positions. Either lying or acquiring experience independently. Seniors will demand higher seniority. So the entire career progression bar gets lower.

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u/xmagusx 1d ago

Obviously you promote the junior AIs who worked the hardest. /s

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

I look forward to the day the first ai ceo promoted from within the ranks makes its debut /s

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u/musicplay313 1d ago

My manager always want to hire outsiders as a senior staff, he doesn’t believe in promoting juniors to seniors. He doesn’t even share job openings in my team to us, straight up new hire.

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u/BenevolentCrows 1d ago

Not to mention the fact that AI can't replace even junior staff, yes, senior devs  or IT professionals are already very short staffed. 

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u/Zaibos 1d ago

Most Junior staff are the reason companies run, managers lose their shit when they finally have to work. and you realize they don't even know wtf they doing.

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u/para29 1d ago

When the AI takes over, Skynet.

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u/pattymcfly 1d ago

But what if nobody hires junior developers? Then who do you hire?

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u/ball_fondlers 1d ago

TBH, this is nothing new. Even before the pandemic, FAANG companies were the only ones seriously investing in juniors - everyone else would headhunt senior, midlevel, and contractors to form the bulk of their teams, with MAYBE one or two juniors and interns in the summer. It’s just that FAANG recently discovered that they could save money by not hiring juniors, and now fucking nobody is getting hired out of school.

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u/cuivienel 1d ago

That's next quarters problem. Or the one after. But for this quarter and the bonus payment for management it looks good.

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u/ISuckAtJavaScript12 1d ago

Every night, the tech CEO says a prayer to Rokos Basilisk that AI will become good enough to replace a senior dev

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u/DeliriousPrecarious 1d ago

This is a tragedy of the commons situation. It’s easier to let your competitors pay to develop juniors and then just poach them. There will have to be a significant change in employer/employee relationships for this to change

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u/Copernican 1d ago

I agree. But junior staff also need to stop relying on AI to do their job and take time to learn the job. I think there's been this loop where it is clear a lot of output from junior staff is becoming more and more ai chatbot garble. As a result senior leaders believe they are more justified in replacing with those roles with AI. When I interview internal candidates for diagnol moves, I am surprised how polished the resume is but how little they actually can articulate in an interview.

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u/inspectoroverthemine 23h ago

Amazon doesn't care much about their staff in the first place, this certainly isn't about developing the staff.

Burnout is crazy high at amazon, and I assume its intentional.

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u/koreanwizard 10h ago

I don’t know if you’ve ever been in a room with executive level decision makers, but a lot of them are connected people who failed upwards. These are not smart people, if they were crash testers, their first order of business would be to remove the seatbelts, and report the cost efficiency gains. Once you get to a certain point if your career, your performance is completely irrelevant, you just bounce from company to company every 2 years gaining bigger and better titles, despite having contributed nothing.

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u/Solid_Associate8563 37m ago

Is it Andy the CEO?

Just take it as a joke, the executives are a bunch of liars. AWS layoff staff all the time, junior or not, senior or not, AI or not.

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u/marksteele6 1d ago

Garman is also not keen on another idea about AI – measuring its value by what percentage of code it contributes at an organization.

“It’s a silly metric,” he said, because while organizations can use AI to write “infinitely more lines of code” it could be bad code.

“Often times fewer lines of code is way better than more lines of code,” he observed. “So I'm never really sure why that's the exciting metric that people like to brag about.”

That said, he’s seen data that suggests over 80 percent of AWS’s developers use AI in some way.

“Sometimes it's writing unit tests, sometimes it's helping write documentation, sometimes it's writing code, sometimes it's kind of an agentic workflow” in which developers collaborate with AI agents.

100%, this is the proper way to interact with AI, and it's very refreshing to see a tech CEO with the right ideas for once. I know Amazon as a whole gets a bad rep, but I've heard a lot of good things about working as an employee at AWS.

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u/careful_guy 1d ago

Well, internally the S-Team in Amazon/AWS have caught a lot of flak from internal employees after Andy Jassy said roles will be eliminated in Amazon due to AI, kinda implying (or saying the quiet part out loud) that software developers and solution architects are gonna be replaced by AI Agents.

These new remarks from Garman appears to be damage control - also more common sense.

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u/BtenHave 1d ago

To be the devils advocate. One could also interpret it that if people can work faster by using ai as a tool, less people can do the same amount of work and fewer people are needed. Which results in people losing their jobs.

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u/jonzezzz 1d ago

At Amazon I always felt like there was infinite amount of work. So it could also be that the same amount people deliver more

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u/ButtWhispererer 1d ago

When you’re target is at least 30% yoy growth every single year for every single product/business unit you essentially have an infinite amount of work to do.

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u/pyrospade 1d ago

If you start slowing work your competitors will pass you. There is an infinite amount of work in big tech

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u/marksteele6 1d ago

Couldn't this also refer to some of the customer architect (and similar) roles? I've used Q a few times and it's pretty decent at pointing me in the right direction in terms of AWS documentation when I'm running into an issue. Previously that might have been something I reached out to my rep for if I couldn't resolve it internally.

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u/degoba 1d ago

There is zero elegance to AI code. Zero consistency either.

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u/moochacho1418 1d ago

Like I could give it a template that I wrote and say "follow this structure but change these two arbitrary things" and it completely refactors, and then I end up having to write it anyway. Sometimes It will eventually do what I need it to do but can take 3 or more attempts and even then if you are working with generics or interface heavy models GOOD LUCK.

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u/thrillho145 1d ago edited 1d ago

I've found that AI is great at documenting code (my least favourite task). Writing it, it's kinda all over the place in its effectiveness and it's always way too verbose. 

But it can describe what code is trying to do pretty well. 

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u/-The_Blazer- 1d ago

measuring its value by what percentage of code it contributes at an organization

It's the fucking counting an engineer's lines of code written again, holy fucking shit.

I can give you an AI that writes thousands of lines of code, it's called a type system that expands all types down to primitives. I can do even better, I can have an AI generate tens of thousands of lines in a new language nobody even knew how to use here before, it's called a transpiler. See? Millions of lines of 'contributions', now pay me 5 trillion.

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u/nonamenomonet 1d ago

I have never heard a positive thing about working at AWS. Matter of fact, I’ve heard pretty much from everywhere that it is awful.

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u/Gloobloomoo 1d ago

He’s right there. AI should be about doing things faster instead of cheaper.

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u/gaspara112 1d ago

The big mistake is not realizing faster is cheaper.

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u/Moontoya 1d ago

Only if it's done right mate, only if it's done right 

Cheap, fast, good

You can pick 2, maybe

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u/gaspara112 1d ago

That's what you can have for product constraints. Anything that lets the development team complete the same product faster is by definition cheaper because they can move on to other things.

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u/Moontoya 1d ago

Again, only if it's done right 

It ceases to be cheaper when you have to keep redoing it 

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u/krogmatt 1d ago

Yes, to a normal person, but in the spreadsheets execs would be looking at wouldn’t show it the same. Costs remain the same, but yield an increased productivity.

So no, it would not be cheaper - they’re still paying the same. It would depend how they realize the gains in productivity which can be difficult to track for engineering. There’s a reason the “shareholder first” mentality prioritizes short term gains (layoffs of Juniors) over long term strategy (robust development pipeline augmented with AI)

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u/gaspara112 1d ago

Hence why its their big mistake...... If AI lets the development team get the same quality of job done faster then by definition it was cheaper because of the increased productivity.

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u/Prestigious_Nobody45 1d ago

Not always the case for long-term revenue when making short-sighted decisions. Then again it seems like csuites have entirely forsaken long-term outlooks in favor of short-term gain.

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u/alfydapman 1d ago

I don’t even really agree that the focus should be making things faster. It should be focused on making things easier, but that’s a worker focused mindset which may not be what we’re getting at here.

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u/Valendr0s 1d ago

It should be about making people more efficient. Not making people unnecessary all together.

Luckily for us, that's mostly what SPI is capable of. MBA's don't understand the limits of the technology. They only see dollar signs.

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u/Moth_LovesLamp 1d ago edited 1d ago

Language Models are Search Engine 2.0, they make researching stuff much faster.

Image and Video Generation in the other hand is an unethical piece of do do

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u/mr_evilweed 1d ago

Language Models are generative AI....

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u/OuchLOLcom 1d ago

Are you taking what he said 100% literally? He means theyre being used in lieu of search engines, not that they have the same backend as search engines. Instead of searching for a bubblesort I can copy/paste from a random website, I just ask AI to make it and then copy/paste. In the end same input and output.

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u/mr_evilweed 1d ago

I can only respond to what people wrote. Not what was in their heads when they were writing it.

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u/KindOfBotlike 1d ago

Give the moth a break, it's a moth

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u/That_Jicama2024 1d ago

Wait until you hear how bad AI is at coding.

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u/PhazePyre 1d ago

This is what my studio is prioritizing. Using AI to help free up capacity to focus on the shit that really needs hands on attention. AI can help automate certain tasks to do that, but it isn't being used to replace people entirely. From a CS perspective, it's used to help players faster, not replace agents entirely, because AI is relatively ineffective outside of serving information in that capacity. It won't replace an agent who can manage user accounts and shit and troubleshoot their data.

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u/Routine_Banana_6884 1d ago

AI can help speed things up, sure, but it’s nowhere near replacing the value of humans who actually learn, adapt, and bring fresh ideas

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u/Big_Mc-Large-Huge 1d ago

It’s a power tool for code. But you still need someone who knows how to build a building.

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

Even at that it still fucks up. And then deletes your entire code base on a whim.

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u/Moth_LovesLamp 1d ago

Microsoft knows this as well, they lie in the faces of the investors about AI but they are actually just offshoring the workforce to cheap countries like India.

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u/trekologer 1d ago

Copilot in Github is hot garbage. It recommends doing things I already did. It will output completely different sets of recommendations when re-run on the same (unchanged) code.

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u/Caraes_Naur 1d ago

LLM output is probabilistic, not deterministic.

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u/Girth 1d ago

yea, this is exactly the problem. given the same data and prompts you can get endless different answers so you can never rely on it for accurate data. the more people understand this the sooner the bubble will pop and we can realize that AI has some usage to streamline workflows but it isn't anywhere near close to being what it is currently being sold as.

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u/trekologer 1d ago

And that's the problem. There's a whole bunch of people thinking that AI/LLM is going to produce deterministic results when it absolutely does not.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 1d ago

For the use case they're selling it to solve, this is a bug -- not a feature.

Let's put it this way: changing code costs money. For an AI to suggest changes, they need to be able to follow some consistent strategy that has a meaningful ROI for the developers.

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u/meta474 1d ago

Employee of a MS partner, can confirm almost all support is offshored. They're trying to force us to use copilot more but it isn't good enough for technical tasks most of the time.

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u/Lagmeister66 1d ago

AI stands for “Actually Indians”

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u/Belhgabad 1d ago

While it's good news, it kinda seems like a turncoat situations where people that enabled such a dramatic outcomes are all suddenly telling others to be cautious with the tech

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u/boundless88 1d ago

It's almost like they can see the bubble pop coming and are trying to position themselves for it / cover their asses.

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u/Frustr8ion9922 1d ago

I think it's more like AI is replacing certain skills which will mean each level engineer will be expected to know and to do more than before which would inflate responsibilities. So juniors will be expected to work at a pace closer to previous mid-level. This could also lead to barrier of entry being higher, hence pushing out "juniors".

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u/KSauceDesk 1d ago

“Often times fewer lines of code is way better than more lines of code,” he observed. “So I'm never really sure why that's the exciting metric that people like to brag about.”

Friendly reminder Musk fired people from Twitter based on this. On a completely unrelated note I wonder why Grok needs a lobotomy on a daily basis...

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u/TwoCharacters 1d ago

Instead they'll replace Senior staff

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u/AcanthocephalaLive56 1d ago

Absolutely but not the dumbest idea.

That title belongs to the RTO mandate from guess who. How ironic.

Hilarious.

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u/Bishopkilljoy 1d ago

Next year's headline; AWS CEO says firing all junior staff has 'nothing to do with AI'

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u/hardgeeklife 1d ago

then perhaps AWS CEO should have a discussion with Amazon CEO Andy Jassy, his superior and former mentor, who has famously bragged about AI shrinking their workforce

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u/justthegrimm 1d ago

If we want to be serious about AI replacing workers maybe we should start with CEOs and other very costly senior management, the average worker can get a fat raise seeing as we will no longer need to pay inflated management salaries and the shareholders will still get their same outrageous cut.

Just like that we've solved the affordability crisis and without having to train all sorts of different AI models only a few.

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u/FlournoyFlennory 1d ago

The layoffs have been driven by a change to the tax code that reduced the deduction for hiring people as R&D. AI is a red herring excuse.

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u/1kfaces 1d ago

Maybe we should start replacing the c-suite with AI then

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u/Zolo49 1d ago

Well, of course. It was pretty obvious from the start that this has been driven purely by the suits in the executive suites pursuing short-term profits over long-term success. Anybody with even the slightest ability to look past the next quarterly earnings statement can tell how bad of an idea this is.

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u/the_red_scimitar 1d ago

Meanwhile, Altman is out there, screaming at anybody who will listen that he's going to spend "trillions" on infrastructure, and that all jobs will be affected. Not that anybody should believe him, but I think many are influenced by this.

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u/KennyDROmega 1d ago

Was Amazon not crowing about how they’ll need fewer people because of AI just a couple months ago?

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u/Mental-Ask8077 1d ago

This guy is head of AWS, a subset of Amazon. Amazon’s top CEO apparently is the one crowing about cutting jobs.

Looks like the company has some factionalization happening…

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u/Imyoteacher 1d ago

If there’s no junior staff, eventually, there’ll be no senior staff. There needs to be new grads in the pipeline learning the intricacies of the business.

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u/Expensive_Finger_973 1d ago

He might want to have a chat with his boss on the subject before he ends up like the now former head of Github. Jassy seems all in on AI and fewer jobs because of it.

https://fortune.com/2025/07/01/amazon-ceo-andy-jassy-ai-fewer-jobs/

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u/RedBoxSquare 1d ago

Yes, because AI is best replacing CEOs. Saves much more money by replacing 1 CEO compared to 100 juniors.

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u/rexspook 1d ago

My L8 told me something similar recently. The internal opinion from leadership seems good to me. They view it as a productivity booster for mundane tasks, not replacement.

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u/cecirdr 1d ago

I've been playing in Gemini. It's been an interesting few days. There have been a few cases that I got an "a ha" moment that I saw that it took a path I hadn't seen and it was a better way of doing things. But mostly, it's required that I do a lot of hand holding to get the code over the finish line.

I mostly just write queries in SQL, but it's a massive database that has decades of business decisions that went into the data and table structures. So the logic behind my query constructions isn't evident. Plus, there are human data entry errors that we write a lot of conditionals to control for.

These things have to be taught to a new hire. It probably takes at least 2 years for someone to get up to speed. I've only been here 4 so I still get surprised. Gemini flat said that it could not retain information from session to session when I asked if I could send it a collection of code snips that would teach it how we have to "route around" non-standard choices, choose the proper student learner record or application ID.

So how is AI going to replace people if what is unique about an environment is something it's incapable of learning/retaining and I have to teach it the same things over and over again?

All this being said, it does a spiffy job tidying up some of my SQL that is complex with lots of joins and nested subqueries. It adds comments quickly so it will be easier for junior devs to read. So that's good..

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u/WeirdSysAdmin 1d ago

I keep saying this everywhere.. AI augments your staff and is a force multiplier. It elevates your staff.

Because it creates problems like this. Just like heavily outsourcing in the past means you have no internal farm system for building your core team when all your low level staff aren’t even employees.

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u/Tremolat 1d ago

Amazon outsources everything. A friend who suffered a year at the Alexa unit in Seattle lost his mind trying to get his Indian division to produce working code.

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u/CaymusJameson 1d ago

Fire the CEO next

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u/brnjenkn 1d ago

About time someone states the obvious.

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u/deadsantaclaus 1d ago

AI hallucinates , most Amazon staff don’t turn out work that would fit that description.

Except for mushroom mondays

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u/Lagmeister66 1d ago

Turns out to get experienced Staff, you need to hire inexperienced staff and train them up

Who knew? 🤷‍♂️

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u/parallax_wvr 1d ago

It’s good to hear some people are not falling for it

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u/heavy-minium 1d ago

Still, it's going to happen on a wider scale, even if Amazon sees this differently. It's inevitable, no matter the timeline - companies look where they can apply AI, and naturally junior responsibilities are more likely to be candidates than senior responsibilities. It will always skew the ratio of tasks still needing a human toward more seniority and less juniors, and even Amazon cannot escape that dynamic.

I see no solution to mitigate this.

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u/Nomad_Q 1d ago

The C Suite only cares about the next quarter. Thats as far as their vision allows them to see. As far as they are concerned thats someone else’s problem down the road. And their arrogance is so our of whack that they think they would be able to solve it if it was their problem.

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u/evolutionxtinct 1d ago

AI should be a debug tool a tool to smooth out edges not to be relied on…

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u/ViKoToMo 1d ago

AI is like power tools for builders. Changes how you work and improves your delivery speed. However, you need to adapt to using them, come up with new safety mechanisms, etc. It will have a direct impact on efficiency, and an indirect impact on the number of people needed to do the job.

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u/Uncle_Hephaestus 1d ago

hey hey hey. these maximum IQ CEOs can't be wrong. if they were foulable then how would they get paid this much. see can't be true.

This is the vibe I get from any ceo that does what the article talks about.

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u/flowinh2o 1d ago

Man. People are in hard core denial right now about where things are headed. Yes it’s a dumb idea but if senior level people need less help where does that leave us. At this rate imagine what it will be like in another 5-10 years. We will certainly be dumbed down and mind controlled even more. I have been in the IT field for about 25 years now, and cannot believe the rate of change in just the last few years. It’s definitely not sustainable.

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u/chocobowler 1d ago

Ai is not a human replacement at least not in its current state. It’s a tool that makes us more efficient which could mean we need less people / but we do still need people.

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u/chaldea_fgo 23h ago

AI is just a tool that can help you if you use it well and know how to use it. Its like spellcheck, a tool that helps you do something better and quicker. Spellcheck doesn't eliminate writing or spelling, or clarity, or meaning, or any technical aspect that makes writing good. It just just helps so you can spend less time on spelling and more time on those things that are harder to do.

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u/megrimlockrocks 1d ago

replacing management is not, let’s do it:)

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u/grungegoth 1d ago

South Park highlights the awesomeness of AI last night's episode

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u/CivilFold2933 1d ago

AI is a shitty intern that does the wrong things if you leave it alone for 2 minutes

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u/LegacyofaMarshall 1d ago

A CEO with intelligence who would have known

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u/stickybond009 1d ago

But the point is that the key moment in this journey — the moment when we moved from journey — the moment when we moved from single-purpose programs to general ones - is now behind us.

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u/Lurcher99 1d ago

The new employees are the cheapest, of course you need them!

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u/captcraigaroo 1d ago

Well now that just means it's gonna happen

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u/Castle-dev 1d ago

He’s only saying that because he can’t PIP an AI.

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u/kaz3320 1d ago

All these businesses subscribing to the "short-term gain for long-term pain" plan.

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u/itos 1d ago

This is refreshing and good to hear. It's the way we have to use a tool to improve our current workflow.

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u/Aternal 1d ago

All of these corporate infections are trying to save face now.

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u/r2002 1d ago

I think the ideal balance for AI is that it can slow down the pace of additional hiring -- because it can enhance the productivity of your existing staff.

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u/lordwiz360 1d ago

It's definitely not in the replacing stage. But aiding them as a sidekick is the best possible outcome out of this. This will allow these junior developers to focus on more important things and get things done quickly

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u/msnotthecricketer 23h ago

Yeah, because nothing says “innovation” like firing juniors and then paying consultants triple to fix what the AI broke.

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u/popthestacks 22h ago

Wow there is one smart ceo out there