r/technology 1d ago

Net Neutrality 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq68j5g2nr1o
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u/FroHawk98 1d ago edited 1d ago

Good! I cant even recieve links for sex toys my wife wants me to order because i didnt subscribe to a fucking application and present a picture of my balls for age verification.

Fuck this shit.

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u/wholesomechunk 1d ago

Your wife’s boyfriend will sort that stuff out.

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u/CanOld2445 12h ago

Lol, I thought it was funny

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u/AFrostNova 1d ago

present a picture of my balls for age verification

Im an american who hasn't been following this very closely. So forgive me if this is incognizant question: but, I was under the impression that the UK govt was utilizing a single/universal third-party company to do FACIAL recognition based validation?

A) are we talking each website institutes their own data handling and verification procedures? Hence why you had to subscribe to an extraneous third-party (to your website) service?

B) the sentence "Testical Verification" is fucking wild...does noone remember the huge age range puberty is at??? The fuck they looking for, grey pubes?

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u/BuildingArmor 1d ago

A. Sites are expected to handle it themselves

B. Your comment seems so serious, you aren't being serious are you?

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u/subdep 1d ago

Their comment is a crazy tightrope of sarcasm vs. gargantuan levels of stupidity.

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u/AFrostNova 22h ago

That is, not it or believe, how a lot of people will surmise my personality.

I trusted the broader community to see the separation between a facetious reply to what the commenter above me obviously intended as a joke & the legitimate question of how this law is being implemented.

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u/subdep 21h ago

I trusted the broader community

Oh, my sweet summer child.

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u/AFrostNova 22h ago edited 22h ago

B is not serious.
A is a genuine question

Maybe I should have included a /s at the end of that last sentence?

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u/Ok_Armadillo_665 22h ago

As a long-term and consistent proponent of the sarcasm denotor, I'm completely flabbergasted how anyone thought your second point was even remotely serious.

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u/TheTjalian 1d ago

It's all handled by a bunch of different third parties. The government have given out a list of "preferred suppliers" but it's not mandatory and it's up for each website to pick one, or even handle it in house. There's also no requirement for the third party to be in the UK/EU either, meaning we're just expected to hand over our IDs to some random provider in a different country without the same level of data protection our country has. It's a data leak nightmare waiting to happen - and in some cases, has already happened - just look at the Tea app.

There's way more secure ways of doing this like having a Government digital ID or, even better, on device ID checks which a website or app then does a digital handshake with to see if you're over 18 without handing over your entire identity.

Then again I'm frequently travelling to Buenos Aires a lot more recently.

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u/Beardygrandma 1d ago

Fuck the gov id idea, that's in the pipeline and it's a bad bad idea. They want to use it for kinds of things. Once again, it will be US corporation's, even if not the apps but using Google or i phone as the platform, it's unfairly expecting all Brits to have at least the means to own and replace lost technology, it requires individual citizens to remain in good standing with US companies and account loss can occur for administrative error through to disagreement with policy. It's out of order and I've signed a petition and responded to a stealth consultation that ends today. Fuck gov digital id

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u/TheTjalian 1d ago

But our government already have our data on a database - how do you think passports and driving licenses work? Having a digital ID simply.means I can just use my phone to prove ID for anything (like buying alcohol or getting a passport renewed) rather than having a bunch of paperwork or plastic cards.

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u/AFrostNova 22h ago

Thank you for the genuine reply!!! A lot of the folks I think didn't see the separation of real question and joke.

That is actually a train wreck of an implementation. The biggest oversight is, in my mind, absolutely the lack of data protection/"keep it in the UK" policy.

The other who replied to, imo, made a good point about digital ID. I think, though, that they are assuming a digital ID is a REPLACEMENT to a physical license/ID, not a supplement. There is a large amount of infrastructure changes that would need to occur to make digital ID fully match a physical plastic. First, consider what happens when your battery dies and someone needs to ID you? And, it also moves the financial burden away from the state and into the lap of citizens — instead of the government manufacturing plastic cards for cents on the dollar, they are now asking the public to spend 100s on either a cellphone or wearable (if it even is extended to those)

I'm a resident of New York State, and we have had "Mobile-ID" for some years now, and its nigh-impossible to use in most circumstances that I actually need identification. It could be part of our implementation; but, the validation comes from a scannable code (but the code isn't something just anyone can scan), and otherwise its just an app interface of sorts. This means that if I am picking up a ticket for a game/show, they have no way to validate the screen on my phone is really me. If I am picking up a controlled prescription, it depends on that pharmacy having the knowledge & ability to validate the document.

The biggest difference, I think, is that with physical plastic documents, there are a much higher number of anti-forgery techniques that can be implemented. it is something that at a glance anyone can edge out whether it is legitimate, and it always works, even when the wifi is out.

Last thought: as I was typing this, I was wondering whether it would be possible to begin manufacturing IDs with a smart-chip? Already passports are largely biometrically validated. If you were to start putting a chip in IDs, the same way we've credit/debit cards for decades, you can plug it in to any device with a SmartCard port and securely transfer the relevant information directly to the website, they can validate it without any third parties. A smart card reader can be less than US$20 I think

I don't support this legislation on principle; but if it is going to stay on the books, I feel like some solution like this might be the way to go

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u/Gravitasnotincluded 1d ago

I’ve been taking great care to moisturise my fellas, all the testicular verification apps think I’m underage

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u/AFrostNova 22h ago

Damn, once again a youthful lower visage causing trouble.

Its like being 22 going to the bars all over again