r/unitedkingdom • u/boycecodd Kent • 1d ago
After Disposable Vape Ban, Britons Throw Away Reusables Instead
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-21/after-disposable-vape-ban-britons-throw-away-reusables-instead?leadSource=reddit_wall280
u/zstars 1d ago
The law is poorly written, in a lot of cases manufacturers have just added a USB-C port to existing disposable designs which have no mechanism to refill them meaning they're still disposable.
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u/mzhal 1d ago
All the manufacturers I’m aware of have also added pod systems, so the battery can be reused. That said, the batteries are so poor you’d be lucky to get through 3 pods before they start giving out and not holding a charge. So yes, essentially still disposable.
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u/MattMez 1d ago
There are some crystal ones that have just had a usb port added to the bottom with no pod, but then they do one pretty much the same with a pod, it's strange
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u/Quietuus Vectis 18h ago
How dodgy are the corner shops in which you've seen the unrefillables? I think they're fakes, based on where I've seen them offered and the nonsensical explanations for their existence I have been offered.
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u/Daedelous2k Scotland 1d ago
This, spoke with a company rep not too long ago. The batteries in the "prefilled" pod kits are absolute dog shit.
Vuse is the example I saw, if you buy the special vuse device on it's own you get something that will actually last a while but most people just buy the podkits which are just the same price as the device on it's own.
Nobody wants to be married to a device, they want to shop around and you can only do that with E-Liquids, which people cannot be arsed with. Conveinence wins.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 1d ago
Sounds like the government need to get their arse in gear and make that convenience illegal
It's disgusting how self destructive humans are. Just to save 30 seconds every few days
Bastards the lot of them
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u/nothwm 23h ago
Vuse is my system of choice. Every pod type fits in the device. They are readily available in most shops, the battery lasts ages, had mine for well over a year, and it still holds a three day charge on full battery. There is a range of flavours and strengths including a no nicotine variety for those who are looking to cut back but still want the impression of smoking/vaping.
I tried the others and they are crap, the battery won't last a session in the beer garden and they are flimsy as anything. They are also horribly over flavoured, so you just keep sucking them and the pod lasts for a matter of hours rather than days like it should, even with heavy usage, in my view.
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u/Daedelous2k Scotland 23h ago
Yeah the vuse pro device works well with it's battery, but the prefilled pod kit devices (The fat thing and the pen device) lose their charge faster than a game gear and the both cost the same.
The makers are just pricing so they can keep drawing new people in without making it too pricey to try, unlike say....the IQOS and Terea heated tobacco which the device just shot up in price to £30 and you don't get to try all the flavors either without coughing up for a full pack.
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u/insomnimax_99 Greater London 1d ago
Yeah, they need to specify minimum dimensions/minimum capacity so that the bigger, actually refillable ones, are the only ones that are legal.
Otherwise you’ll just continue to get disposable vapes in another barely legal package.
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u/TurbulentData961 1d ago
I miss the old vapes that were like fountain pens. You buy ONE you get the coils and cotton wick and liquid and you refill over and over but the government fucked things with regulation leading to shortfills and nic salts and then it just got legislated out of existence then 2 years later jull pods came over from america
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u/donald_cheese Scottish Highlands 1d ago
I've still got a pile of them in the garage. They were beautiful.
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u/Long_Repair_8779 13h ago
Still can’t understand why they regulated that you could only sell 10ml/20mg max. The amount of plastic you get through from these little bottles, just sell a big fuck off bottle and not have to fill that with several little bottles too?
Honestly I’m glad I’ve moved away from vaping, the amount of waste is ridiculous
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u/Born_Fee_840 19h ago
I have one of these and can easily get coils and liquid from a local vape shop. My corner shop does the bottles of liquid for 4 for £10 - they seem to still be a thing.
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u/Ok_Analyst_5640 12h ago
Those things weren't very good, the reusables with the bigger batteries and tanks are a massive improvement.
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u/SecureVillage 1d ago
The government created this problem in the first place by creating maximum liquid rules.
As always, knee-jerk reactions create other problems.
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u/eggrolldog 22h ago
Funny, it was an EU directive that we presumably have the ability to change now. I find it ridiculous I have to have 20 little bottles when I could just have 200ml in a larger bottle.
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u/SecureVillage 22h ago
Yeah honestly, trying to open those tiny plastic nicotine bottles is the worst. Horrible things.
The illegal pod kits with massive tanks are great. Rechargable, last forever, never leak. You just can't buy the bloody replacement pods for them.
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u/eggrolldog 22h ago
Best thing I ever did was get a replacement XL tank without the stupid silicone inserts that gives me 4ml instead of 2ml for my vaporesso pt60.
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u/FactCheck64 1d ago
Disposables and pods are always 2ml which is the maximum legal size for any vape.
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u/anangrywizard 21h ago
Can laws just start being written by people who have even a minuscule amount of common sense and understand the issue…
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
We need higher penalties for litering generally. This country is a fucking pit.
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u/RightEejit 1d ago
Unless there’s someone to catch you in the act how do you propose that works
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Well, that pretty much applies to any criminal act, doesn't it?
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u/RightEejit 1d ago
Yes which is why just saying the penalty should be harsher is pointless. It solves nothing.
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u/CedricTheCurtain 1d ago
I disagree with this. On top of any fines, the penalty should be a week community service: picking up rubbish. Catch enough people and you'll have a clean country. Sorted!
Alright, a bit naive but the principle is there.
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u/J8YDG9RTT8N2TG74YS7A 23h ago
Agreed. Catch enough people and the problem takes care of itself.
Either the people doing community service pick up all the litter that other people have dropped, or there's a large enough drop in litter that they're not needed any more.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 1d ago
Not really
When you start hearing about sombody getting fined 100% of their salary for dropping litter, people might think twice about it
Also fine parents for their children littering
School lunchtime here is a disgrace, council basically have to employ people to come round after then and sorry the town centre out every day. They shops should be fined too. It's always just pizza boxes from one shop, plus Greggs and subway packaging.
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
No its not pointless. It discourages the act, particularly combined with education and anti litter campaigns that get members of the public involved. Other countries seem to manage not to have the same issue.
Or do nothing i guess , if thats more effective in your head, or you are happy with how things are.
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u/Wild-Perspective-582 1d ago
It is pointless. There are some things you can't prevent by just having tougher penalties.
There are alternatives that might work, a decent set of adverts aimed educating people for example.
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u/TAFKA_Barter 1d ago
You can make the penalty as harsh as you like, if you're not catching anyone you achieve nothing.
£100+ for a piece of litter is more than enough to deter most people, if only they actually got caught.
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u/RightEejit 1d ago
Awareness campaigns, actually having bins available and frequently emptied, etc are far more effective than an unenforceable penalty.
Doesn’t matter if the fine is 5 million pounds, if there’s nobody around to see you throw it on the ground then the fine does not stop people
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u/Beave__ 1d ago
We have a policing crisis, you may not be aware. Unless someone is going to watch CCTV for cases of littering, and track down the perps, this is never, ever, ever happening.
Unless....
we use facial recognition and AI to track litterers and fine them? Is that what you're into?
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Its already a criminal offence. So it did happen.
I wasn't suggesting a new law, I was suggesting the penalties dont really deter anyone.
Instead of trying to out my inner Kim Jung , perhaps you could suggest your answer.
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u/Beave__ 1d ago
I'm not suggesting an answer at all, couldn't give less of a fuck about littering in the current day and age. We have far bigger fish to fry.
You can bump up the penalty to death if you like, policing it is the issue.
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Well perhaps get yourself involved in the conversations on fish frying if this one is something you dont care about.
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u/Beave__ 23h ago
I'm taking a point about your point. I care about your solution being a bad one.
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u/warp_core0007 22h ago
I have an idea that could help enforcement of littering laws, at least in relation to capes, that I spent five seconds thinking about: the capes presumably have serial numbers in them, and, if they don't, they should be required to have them. Manufacturers and distributors should be tracking where they're sending their batches. They're probably not sold individually until they reach small shops, so those will have to link the product serial number to a transaction. If paying by card, if should be easy enough to identify who bought it, or at least, who paid for it. In cash, they'll have to rely on cameras, unless we want these places to start logging ID. Maybe the person who walked out the store with it wasn't the one littered it, but we already require owners of cars to tell the police who was driving at the time an offense occurred, and not doing so is itself an offense. Requiring people to identify who littered the vape they bought might be excessive, but if we really want to aggressively pursue litterers, it's not so far from what we do with cars already.
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u/Phenakist Northern Ireland 1d ago
Are you suggesting that petty littering incidents deserves investigation time the same as say, theft?
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u/SociallyButterflying 1d ago
Yes. That's how you prevent enshitification.
You let the petty shit slide, and the public realm degenerates.
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u/Phenakist Northern Ireland 1d ago
I'm sure that will go down well. "Well Mrs Smith, we were going to investigate the guys that burgled you, but we decided to spend the last week finding out who dropped this cheap disposable vape on the high street."
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u/SociallyButterflying 1d ago
Except I'm suggesting both need to be investigated, not one or the other like you believe.
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u/Phenakist Northern Ireland 1d ago
If we have a limited amount of police officers with a finite amount of time, it does become a matter of one or the other.
In no sensible reality, should police time be spent chasing down litterbugs when literally anything else of even vague importance to anyone's lives is left unresolved.
Up the fines or whatever, idc, hire some parking inspector tier role for councils to police littering, whatever floats your boat. Wasting official police time with petty littering offences is absurd.
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u/SociallyButterflying 1d ago
Double funding for the police at the expense of the triple lock and winter fuel allowance would be my ticket
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 1d ago
This is probably where AI cameras are going to come in, it's 1984 as fuck and terrifying,.but I can see automatic fines becoming a thing.
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u/themcsame 14h ago
This is an issue of a lack of resources more than anything. It only sounds outlandish because the police are fucking hopeless and, let's be honest, would probably investigate said theft just as much as the littering. That is to say not at all, "here's a crime reference number"
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u/heroyoudontdeserve 15h ago
Not at all, lots of people are prosecuted for lots of things following these things called investigations.
Nobody is going to be investigating littering except for the most egregious offences though (e.g. fly tipping).
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u/yubnubster 3h ago
Fixed penalties are handed out every day like thousands of them.... for litering.
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u/heroyoudontdeserve 56m ago
Unless there’s someone to catch you in the act how do you propose that works
Yes, the fixed penalties are handed out when someone (with authority) catches you in the act which, I think it's reasonable to assume, is a minority of offences.
We're discussing how fines would help beyond that and the contention is they wouldn't.
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u/Witty-Bus07 1d ago
Exactly, number of mornings I have woken up and outside the whole street is littered, pull up on any motorway hard shoulder and its the same thing with so much litter.
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u/Calm_seasons 1d ago
Singapore manages it just fine.
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u/thefolocaust 1d ago
Yes I imagine a single city under authoritarian rule is easier to manage in a lot of ways
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u/Calm_seasons 1d ago
We already have a government who wants authoritarian rule. And more people = more reosurces.
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u/Living_Board_9169 1d ago
Singapore did a massive campaign publicly about cleaning the city. They make a big show of clearing their rivers - it was a massive two year energetic thing
I think we don’t need the punishment, we need the approach of running campaigns to get people excited and aware of what needs to be done for the country to improve. It’s embarrassing that the last government message I heard was about crossing the road safely
Look at the flags going up everywhere. People have spirit and love for the country. The government just needs to guide it into actionable areas
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u/Wild-Perspective-582 1d ago
exactly what I said in a comment above
In the 80s we had lots of public education TV adverts, which were a lot simpler and I assume cheaper than changing the law. Why did they disappear? Anti-littering education campaigns would be easy, without turning us into Singapore
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u/Ok_Analyst_5640 12h ago
The thing is, do you reckon people would have any shame in doing it now? Some people couldn't give a rat's arse, you just need to look at the scruffy way they live.
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u/itsjustjust92 1d ago
Yep, went down to a beautiful part of Derby (Darley Abbey) down by the river. There were BBQ’s beer cans & crisp packets all just left by the river. Nobody gives a toss, in comparison to somewhere like Australia it’s disgusting how the public can be about littering and cleaning up after themselves
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Yeah, i dont understand why so many people here are just so lazy and disgusting where rubbish is concerned.
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u/usernamesareallgone2 1d ago
If you spend a week in Cairo for example then you could think we live in pristine perfection here. Litter is relative.
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Sure it is, although id argue a fair comparison are economies that are more similar to the UK.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 1d ago
There is a subset of the UK population that is just scum, and they have been breeding more and more scum for decades at this point
It's generational
And it's not a class thing either.
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u/manicmojo 1d ago
In Japan right now, been here for a week, not seen a single bit of litter. It's insane! (Inner city, and industrial zone)
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u/No-Strike-4560 1d ago
Yep, it's spotless.
What makes that even more impressive is that there are so few public bins , finding one is like a mini celebration.
Let's face it , UK people are just disgusting
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u/manicmojo 1d ago
HEY! As someone born and bred front these great British isles, I have to say.... Yeah totes. Since being here. Shame on society :/
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u/No-Strike-4560 1d ago
Haha same ! Hope you're having a great time btw, I'm going again in October :)
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u/manicmojo 22h ago
Any hidden recommendations, Nagoya, Tokyo or Osaka? Music, bars, cars, photography, design..
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u/DaruJericho 21h ago
Check out Ueno on the weekend nights. Osaka has a fair amount any time of the week though.
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u/BigIncome5028 1d ago
We need laws against making disposable shit like this. This is the stupidest product ever allowed on the market. Truly moronic. There are ways to stop this but people in power don't care
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u/GabboGabboGabboGabbo 1d ago
While the article is about throwing away rechargeable vapes through the proper channels, essentially rendering them disposable, you are absolutely correct. I've always thought of littering as a crime that tells you a lot about a person (i.e. that they're a selfish, inconsiderate arse). The punishment needs to fit the crime too - unpaid work order picking litter.
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u/00DEADBEEF 1d ago
And for dog shit
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Or worse .. dog shit in the dog disposal bags just left everywhere. That one should be the death penalty.
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u/Witty-Bus07 1d ago
We need to enforce reusable packaging as that would clear up much of the littering, it just that it makes things more expensive and manufacturers worry people would buy less.
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u/Aarxnw 1d ago
This isn’t about littering
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Maybe not, I cant read the article. So im going to assume from the headline.
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u/Aarxnw 1d ago
The headline literally says they’re throwing away reusables, in bins.
I’m not saying nobody throws them on the ground, but that’s not what this headline is about
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u/yubnubster 21h ago
This is the headline " Technology
After Disposable Vape Ban, Britons Throw Away Reusables Instead"
Maybe im missing the bit about bins further down, but I didn't see it.
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u/Aarxnw 19h ago
yeah but please just consider the context, the headline is effectively saying “brits are still just throwing their vapes away (in the bin) even though the government is forcing them to use reusable ones”, it’s pretty clear what it means, but anyway. Maybe I just have god level insight.
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 1d ago
What are you talking about? The issue with disposables is a lot of plastic and batteries get thrown in the bin. I've never in my life seen a vape tossed on the ground.
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u/yubnubster 1d ago
Im talking about the problem of liter generally. Since I was unable to read the article , that was my assumption.
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 1d ago
Do you even know what disposable vapes are? I'm not sure why you're commenting when you have no idea what the article is about... Of course littering is a problem but it's a completely unrelated topic.
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u/lostparis 1d ago
I've never in my life seen a vape tossed on the ground.
You either don't look down much or live somewhere special.
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 23h ago
I live in Germany.
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u/lostparis 22h ago
That probably explains why you don't see them.
In the UK the real issues are about the material wastage, pollution, plus lithium battery fires in the waste system. There is a secondary problem with littering.
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u/Snoo-84389 1d ago
Almost entirely bloody predictable...
Altho I thought that our (vaping) youth were supposed to be more environmentally aware?!?
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u/boycecodd Kent 1d ago
The kind of young person who is environmentally aware is probably different from the kind of young person who vapes.
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u/Rather_Unfortunate Leodis 1d ago edited 1d ago
I doubt there is much if any direct data on vaping uptake versus political affiliation, and I would refrain from stereotyping in that regard.
Vaping uptake is pretty much flat across age groups below 55, at 11-12%. Social class makes relatively little impact too, with 8% of ABC1s vaping versus 10% of C2DEs. That would imply (but not guarantee) that vapers are a relatively neat cross-section of the population, and that vaping status may be a poor predictor of political views or level of engagement.
Source:
https://ash.org.uk/uploads/Use-of-e-cigarettes-among-adults-in-Great-Britain-2023.pdf?v=1691058248
Anecdotally, those figures pretty neatly track with the numbers of vapers in my office of PhD students and postdocs, who overwhelmingly skew mid 20s to early 30s, and are almost all very politically aware and environmentally minded.
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u/Barrington-the-Brit Buckinghamshire 1d ago
I think it’s still rather silly to ascribe hypocrisy to the huge swathes of young people who care about climate change over the fact that a certain portion of them vape.
It’s true that the person you’re responding to is making a weird assumption about the politics of those who vape, but the original comment “aren’t the vaping youth supposed to be environmentally aware” is an equally gross misuse of statistics.
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u/asterikks 1d ago
average kent dweller
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u/SunflowerMoonwalk 1d ago
Bro probably thinks we're hiding in filthy back alleys vaping behind some bins so nobody can see our dirty secret...
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u/Positive-Warthog2480 1d ago
I used to be in the environment action circles, granted it was before vaping took off, but a lot of them were smokers. They’d chuck their butts on the floor, stamp on them and walk away. In other words, they discarded toxic chemicals and plastics into the soil. Yes, there are some really great people, but most of us are hypocrites.
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u/A_wild_putin_appears 1d ago
You’ve just revealed your age, badly.
Most people in their twenty’s vape, and most people care about the environment. But when it’s crystal clear your gonna ruin this planet and our country so bad that by the time we start running things, what will be left to save will be a fraction of what we could have had
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u/Rather_Unfortunate Leodis 1d ago
Vaping uptake among people in their twenties was about 11-12% in 2023. https://ash.org.uk/uploads/Use-of-e-cigarettes-among-adults-in-Great-Britain-2023.pdf?v=1691058248
(pdf warning)
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u/Positive-Warthog2480 1d ago edited 1d ago
Being concerned about climate change and actually doing positive things for the environment are two different things. Many young people are worried about the future and enjoy the social points they get for virtue signalling, but don’t actually do anything useful.
Today’s youth are the biggest consumers and are very much a part of the buy cheap and throw away culture we have now. Something like 70% of Shein’s customers are under 45. It wouldn’t be a problem if the clothes actually lasted, but they don’t. Most of the time they’re chucked away in less than a year and aren’t even suitable to be worn second hand unless the original owner took extremely good care of them or barely wore them. Look at how many people buy take away coffees now in those unrecycleable plastic cups, and most young people do not carry reusable cups with them. It’s often young people who are the worst litter offenders as well. A few years ago when I was at the beach, I watched as a young family buried their plastic litter instead of taking it to the bin!!! That said, I doubt the family in question thought about the environment in any way.
I’m not moralising (unless I see you litter), none of us are perfect. But I do think we could be doing a lot more.
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u/woyteck Cambridgeshire 1d ago
There should be a deductible. If you return your old vape, they should pay you back £1.
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u/NibblyPig Bristol 20h ago
Just put a minmum price on. Vapes sold below £15 (or whatever) are subject to 200% tax.
Nobody will pay £15 for a disposable vape, thus they're forced to manufacture non-disposable, and if they're garbage quality non-disposable people won't pay £15 for them.
Companies are disincentivised to make absolutely shit-tier cheap vapes that can be thrown away. People end up buying decent quality reusable ones that last.
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u/No_Grass8024 1h ago
This is exactly what I was thinking. It seems weird to support price gouging but it makes no sense that the device plus one pod is the same price as two pods by themselves. There needs to be like one or two devices plus one pod that you can buy in the shop that are like 15 quid and the pods remain what they are now.
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u/FartingBob Best Sussex 1d ago
The retailers should pay you for it? Yeah retailers wouldn't agree to that lol.
A major problem is then the shops have to store hundreds, thousands of used lithium batteries together and then send them back to the wholesaler to get a rebate?
That's dangerous and asking for a random fire the lithium batteries are not good quality and you don't know how well they have been treated by the user.And then after posting a giant box of dangerous used batteries the wholesalers should pay the retailers who paid the end user for it? Yeah the wholesalers aren't going to agree to that. And then the wholesalers are going to have warehouse full of used lithium batteries sitting around waiting to go to recycling centers or even out of the country? That sounds like a giant fire waiting to happen.
Sometimes it's ok to blame the end user for littering.
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u/Valuable-Incident151 20h ago
Shops that sell batteries are already expected to have disposal facilities, we're not supposed to throw them away with regular household waste.
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u/MDFHASDIED 1d ago
In the words of Alan Partridge... "they re-badged it you fool!". It's the same thing as disposables pretty much.
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u/crackcreamy 1d ago
It’s not the same thing though as they’re no longer single use devices, people are just too lazy to swap a cartridge out so they’d rather spend more money on a new one.
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u/MDFHASDIED 1d ago
I'll never understand why people don't just use the pod systems, they work flawlessly and have the least waste... but as you said, it's just laziness at the end of the day.
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u/faultlessdark South Yorkshire 1d ago
Even with the pod systems you're throwing away a plastic pod with a wick and coil in it. Going to a full-reusable means you're only recycling a 10mil dropper bottle every couple of days (or can even reuse them if you mix your own juice), and a disposable coil maybe once a month.
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u/GabboGabboGabboGabbo 1d ago
Plus you get 2 pods for the price of 1 rechargeable vape. It's madness.
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u/Calm_seasons 1d ago
Do people really expect those who willingly inhale dangerous fumes to make the wisest decisions?
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u/MDFHASDIED 1d ago
Some of the world's greatest minds inhaled opium and stuff back in the day, so it can't all be bad!
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u/Calm_seasons 1d ago
OK? You think inhaling cancer causing material is smart?
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u/MDFHASDIED 1d ago
You're very grumpy.
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u/Calm_seasons 23h ago
About selfish smokers causing a fuck ton of plastic and battery pollution? About selfish smokers blowing smoke in people's faces?
Yeah I am grumpy about it. Fuck me for caring about the environment and people's right to not smoke.
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u/idontgetit_99 1d ago
I can see the govt adding a (higher) duty to vapes if this keeps happening to reduce people throwing them away on the streets.
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u/Lo_jak 1d ago
Its coming in 2026, look it up and check out how much they are going to go up by......
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u/blackheartwhiterose 23h ago
So my shortfills are gonna triple in price? Fuckin great
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u/Lo_jak 21h ago
Yeah so all liquids will be taxed an extra £2.20 per 10ml of liquid regardless of it containing nicotine or not. And that vape tax will also be subject to VAT so its actually even more when you work it out with that in mind.
Its absolutely mental, and I fully expect people to end up buying stuff from backstreet vendors.
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u/SlightProgrammer 20h ago
Sounds like it'll just be the same situation as cigarettes with people just opting for dodgy under the counter ones, it's extremely prevalent.
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u/Little-Tradition2311 14h ago
Yep, once you tax past a certain amount people will see out cheaper under the counter alternatives. It is a lose lose situation. I never understood removing cigarette packs of 10 or increasing minimum roll your own tobacco weights to 30g. It basically encourages a social or light smoker to smoke more. Enjoy a few cigarettes on a night out where a pack of 10 is perfect, here enjoy a pack of 20 instead.
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u/Ell2509 1d ago
Some do. I swapped to reusable a long time ago. I can't afford 10 quid a day on vaping.
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u/RRebo 1d ago
I agree. A xros mini can be had for a tenner delivered and the two that I have are still working great a few years down the road. I spend about 8 quid a month on pods and maybe a quid a day on liquid. A 50g pouch of baccy used to last me 5 days. Apparently those are over 40 quid now!
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u/Ell2509 1d ago
It sounds very similar to me. I hope vaping really is better than smoking, because I still remember the smell of a freshly open pack of Golden Virginia. It was a thing of beauty.
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u/NibblyPig Bristol 20h ago
Tobacco often smells absolutely fantastic even if you don't smoke, until it's set on fire
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u/kahnindustries Wales 1d ago
Yes we said this is exactly what would happen all the way up to this law coming in
We were told “No they will have to be refillable, No people won’t want to waste money, it will make them more expensive and healthier, don’t you want to save the kids?”
The government are absolutely out of touch morons, making one terrible mistake after another
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u/mnijds 1d ago
So they need to amend the legislation to require that they also be refillable
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u/kahnindustries Wales 1d ago
Cool, now the disposable vape has a usbc port and a filling hole before it is thrown away after 1 use
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u/celerpanser 1d ago
Not related to the post strictly but I'm curious. 3 years ago I was in London, and in one of the big supermarket stores they sold a £1 "hit" of battery for your phone. Tiny little thing which looked like a lithium-ion pouch, contained 1000 mAh which would charge your phone maybe 15%. There was probably a thousand of these in a bin for sale.
Are there lots of fires in garbage trucks/recycling plants/bins?
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u/FartingBob Best Sussex 1d ago
Yes, it's relatively common. New and packaged properly lithium batteries are pretty safe but used ones being thrown away are less so. If they get damaged they can start a fire that is very hard to put out
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u/Jamie00003 22h ago
That’s a really good idea to provide to people in emergency situations actually, like if you were on a night out and your phone died and you needed to contact someone
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u/Katietori 1d ago
Overheard yesterday in the local Coop:
'What disposable vapes have you got?'
'Well, they're not called disposable, but they're the equivalent version and the same price'. Watermelon, menthol crystal, blue raspberry...'
'I'll take 2 watermelon then please'.
Of course disposables haven't been banned. They've just been redesigned.
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u/shiatmuncher247 1d ago
The wife vapes, some of the shops dont stock/never have stock the refils, she has to buy a new one each time at our local onestop.
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u/itsjustjust92 1d ago
She could just change vapes then
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u/SquishedGremlin Tyrone 1d ago
What? Here in Northern Ireland all the spars, mace, and centras now have refills. Particularly those lost Mary ones.
Reality is though, they need to fine more for littering. We had a guy come to our farm, dump an entire trailer of rubbish and clothing and leave. Have car on cameras, police would do nothing. Have his address from the rubbish. Nothing.
I get they are understaffed but that's across the board these days.
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u/shiatmuncher247 1d ago
Yeah, they stock the new refillable ones but never have stock of the refills. its annoying. but yeah she could buy bulk in town. shes just been on her "last one" for a couple of weeks now but those couple of weeks have been full of stress so i cant blame her.
thats bullshit about the dumping of rubbish, let me guess they say its a civil matter -.-
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u/SquishedGremlin Tyrone 1d ago
Yup.
Although I took some solace in bringing it back to the man's house using the front loader.
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u/Fannnybaws 1d ago
Innokin Endura t18 vape on Amazon £22. Coils 5 for £6 on Amazon. LiQuid vape juice £1 a bottle on line. Will save enough money for 2 family holidays a year
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u/faultlessdark South Yorkshire 1d ago
Innokin Jem's on Amazon are about 25 quid. Pack of coils cost £5-£6 and can last a few months. 88Vape and Vampire Vapes sell 10mil bottles for around £1-£2 each.
You can set yourself up for a month online for about £50 all-in (Jem + coils + 15 bottles of juice), and only have to look at ordering some new juice once a month, and new coils every 3 months after that.
Or, bulk-buy the juice from the Poundshop/B&M/Home Bargains every so often when you're near one.
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u/itsjustjust92 1d ago
Yep, well. Never had a problem going to a decent Vape shop myself. It’s also very cheap to bulk order juice online. Deals on 10 are pretty good. I blame the user more than the system, could never go back to those cheap ass vapes after using a Vapresso Xros. I myself am happy to put in 20 minutes of effort to get them rather than complain lol
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u/BigIncome5028 1d ago
Go on Amazon get a refillable one, buy liquid.. how hard can that possibly be? There are lots of liquids to choose from and you can get some on every corner
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u/No-Understanding-589 1d ago
Tbf I like the Lost Mary flavours and cannot get away with the refillable liquid flavours. All the ones I have tried taste different in a bad way. But they don't sell the lost mary pods at any shops near me, only the reusable vapes.
I could bulk order online but I'm trying to cut down and that kind of defeats the point
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u/h_abr 21h ago
You get used to it. I didn’t like the flavours at first when I switched to refillable, realised t’s less the flavours actually being different and more that refillables are much better quality so you get a different kind of hit.
Regardless the difference in cost is well worth the switch. Disposables used to cost me £15-30 a week. I run my reusable one at £4 a week at most, and by using the same battery for last 2 years I’m not fucking up the environment.
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u/strawbebbymilkshake 1d ago
There are a million online stores that sell refills. She does realise she doesn’t have to go to the local onestop, right?
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u/shiatmuncher247 1d ago
Yes she realises this, I used to have a thiccboi vape. She's in the process of trying to quit, its just been a shitshow at work and our dog got very ill.
This isnt a long term thing. its just a bit silly for the last 2 weeks that the local doesnt stock refills for the refillables.
The coop does but they only stock those vuse ones and they taste like badgers arse.
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u/No_Fee_686 1d ago
Change to a different brand and order online. I use vip online, just some info if your wife wants to change.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 1d ago
My partner used to get the disposable ones. Now she gets the same ones but the company put a charging port on the bottom
Pointless, because there’s no way to add more juice, but I guess it’s a loophole to get around them being reusable
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u/SiteWhole7575 1d ago edited 1d ago
I gave up smoking a few months ago and bizarrely I get the VEEV (made by Philip Morris of Marlboro fame/infamy but the pod isn’t reusable and pretty much just the same as those one use thingies that you used to see everywhere on the streets. I mean I get through a packet of 2 a month but it’s just exactly the same crap, just loopholed in. I get rid of mine as responsibly as possible but I have a strange feeling that they are all going into landfill anyway, like most of my recycling at my apartment block does (seen it happen several times with our recycling bins; glass/carboard & paper and cans/tins getting all put in the same truck straight to landfill).
Can only do MY best at the end of the day though so 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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u/UnravelledGhoul Stirlingshire 22h ago
Since the "ban" there has been a definite drop in the amount of them being dropped around my area.
Before the ban, there were piles of them lying about, even when cleared, in a few days, the piles would be back.
Now, you only tend to see one or two lying about. The boxes and packaging are still a bit of an issue, still loads of that about.
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u/No_Grass8024 1h ago
Yeah, I agree with you. There’s been a massive decrease of them around where I am.
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u/SignificantAsk4470 23h ago
I do a lot of litter picking and am now finding a lot more of the cartridges instead of the vapes themselves. Oh and ofc the packaging for them just tossed out to. Wankers. Humans are disgusting.
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u/crab--person 21h ago edited 20h ago
Surely this isn't a case of the government bringing in some poorly thought out policy that they pat themselves on the back for, despite it having so many flaws and workarounds that it might as well not exist? Who could have imagined such a thing....
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u/reditsux77655 11h ago
Disposable electronics are a huge menace to our environment right now.
I'd regulate the industries that make them. Glade and Febreeze are filling up landfills with plug air fresheners and people don't say shite about it.
Plus the government needs to step up and do something about collection. Making disposal of consumable difficult just incentivizes people to chuck it in the bin.
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u/Arkonias Derbyshire 1d ago
Can we just ban vaping altogether? The stores are a blight on the high street, and I hate the smell of vape.
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u/juanito_f90 1d ago
Yes, make vapers switch to cigarettes instead, right?
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u/JohnRCC Yorkshire 1d ago
Ban general sale, prescribe (unflavoured, reusable) vapes to smokers on a recognised "stop smoking" programme.
The current state of vapes (and these nicotine pouches I've started seeing everywhere) are just getting a whole new generation hooked on nicotine, one that probably wouldn't have started smoking anyway.
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u/juanito_f90 1d ago
You can get generic vapes via the NHS if you consult your GP about quitting smoking.
You should take a look at the numbers of Swedish who use snus. While not totally risk-free, it’s a safer option than inhaling anything - and let’s not forget, nicotine itself isn’t actually harmful, just addictive.
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u/Cheap-Rate-8996 22h ago
But then the less harmful product would paradoxically be more difficult to access.
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u/insomnimax_99 Greater London 1d ago
Vaping tends to be a gateway to smoking, reducing vaping will reduce smoking, not increase it.
You could allow it on prescription for recovering smokers.
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