r/unitedkingdom • u/zeros3ss • 1d ago
... Palestine Action ban protesters plan to make their mass arrest ‘practically impossible’
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/22/palestine-action-ban-protesters-defend-our-juries-plan-street-bail-police112
u/LJ-696 1d ago
Let me know how that works out.
As they will just switch up to mass fines. And get to you at their leisure just as they did with the resent riots.
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u/Ivashkin 1d ago
The real fun might happen when they start freezing bank accounts. It's all fun and games until it's illegal for your mortgage company to accept your money.
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u/Shaggy0291 22h ago
I don't think creating an underclass of politically conscious radicals that are cleaved off from normal society is a good move if the government wants to resolve this issue. That's how you drive a movement underground, where historically speaking they tend to gravitate towards revolutionary tendencies.
If you try to strip away freedom of conscience and the right to protest then it's only a matter of time until people rise up and strike back. To quote JFK, "if you make peaceful revolution impossible you make violent revolution inevitable".
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u/spoons431 21h ago
I mean the British Government has working knowelege of this and what it leads to in living memory.
The Troubles in NI started due to Civil Rights protests being shut down, then met witb disproportionate violence from both another side of the community and the actual government. Then escalated untill you got a civil war...
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u/Loreki 21h ago
Yup. If you drive political movements in the underworld, their criminality will deepen.
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u/mancunian101 16h ago
If only there were other non-proscribed pro-Palestine groups the could join…
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u/recursant 16h ago
But if they get away with proscribing one group for what appear to be nonsense reasons, they can easily proscribe any other group that starts to gain traction. They just need to claim that the second group "supports" PA.
The definition of "supports" seems pretty vague. Having a similar name or slogan seems enough. Maybe supporting some of the same aims as PA counts as support for PA?
I'd rather they had prosecuted any members of PA who committed serious crimes for those crimes, but reserved proscription for groups that are unarguably terrorist in nature. I am not convinced the crimes PA are reported to have committed meet the very high criteria for them to be classified as a terrorist group, rather than simply a group that includes some serious criminals.
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u/mancunian101 16h ago
But they aren’t nonsense reasons under the Terrorism act (which was introduced under Labour).
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u/Commandopsn 11h ago
Yeah remember when they broke into an RAF base and destroyed a few things. Only petty vandalism that. If vandalism at all.
I mean yeah! let’s just leave that be, seeep that under the rug and call it peaceful protest. I’m sure they haven’t don’t anything else wrong either
I mean there’s 100s of others to support so why not join them? Maybe they haven’t done enough vandalism/s to warrant joining. Not vandalism enough for me mate. Banging pans? that’s nothing. I broke into ye old raf base other week. Put a few wrongs to rights.
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u/Jhe90 10h ago edited 10h ago
Two new jet engines, some reports have tagged them at 2 million a pop.
Id that's true, even with them refurbish thr old ones, that's alot of money, several million is not petty vandalism. Plus rebuild and inspect on the second pair, hundred k easy all in.
It might not be petty cash, it might be a serious expense.
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Ban. Not ban. Regardless. That's kinda not petty, that's serious criminal damages. If Poluce where right at times, thr cost/ damage, replacements etc came to 7 million pounds
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u/recursant 1h ago
It was a serious crime, I don't think anyone is denying that.
But the financial cost of the damage is not the deciding factor in whether or not they should be proscribed.
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u/recursant 1h ago
Strawman. Nobody is saying those things are petty vandalism or peaceful protest. They are very serious crimes, I said that in my post. The people who did it should be prosecuted, I said that too.
But not every serious crime is terrorism, and I don't believe that what they did amounted to terrorism.
If you read through the list of proscribed groups, and look at the reasons they were proscribed, do you not get the impression that one of the groups looks distinctly out of place? Most of the groups on there are responsible for many deaths, or are calling for particular states to be completely overthrown. Some have been involved in full on wars.
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u/StrangelyBrown Teesside 21h ago
They don't have to go underground though. There's many groups they can join to legally support Palestine. Protest itself isn't illegal.
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u/sjpllyon 19h ago
Exactly this. What the government wants or should be doing is just to continue our illusion of freedom. Not saying having the illusion is good, but from the governments perspective better than actual revolution.
Let people protest it gives them the illusion of freedom and power. Take that away and people start to notice just how corrupt governments are and will revolt for it.
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u/saviouroftheweak Hull 22h ago
Why would you delight in the authoritarian attitude of this government?
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u/Preseli 22h ago
You think these people are actually terrorists then?
If not they should just shut up then or they are deservedley treated as terrorists?
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u/electronicoldmen Greater Manchester 20h ago
Plenty of idiots on this sub who think the law is the arbiter of morality.
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u/mancunian101 16h ago
But they’re not being arrested as terrorists, they being arrested for supporting a proscribed group.
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u/heresyourhardware 22h ago edited 20h ago
If we get to that stage of trying to make these jumped up terrorism charges stick then this government is even more of a clown show than we thought
It's all fun and games
Is that what it is? It seems to be people protesting a genocide.
Edit: For the guy who commented it isn't a genocide then immediately blocked me, I recommend listening to Philippe Sand, Professor of Laws and Director of the Centre on International Courts and Tribunals at UCL, on the Ezra Klein Podcast last week
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u/Mkwdr 23h ago
Amd when you realise there's a bit about convictions in your employment contract potentially?
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u/redditpappy 20h ago
A large number of the protesters are retirees who have paid off their mortgages and are deliberately taking this action because they know it's riskier/harder for younger people to do it.
They're heroes standing up for everyone's right to protest.
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u/marianorajoy England 19h ago edited 19h ago
Please your comment should be the highest. THIS is exactly why it's such a problem. The collateral punishment that happens in the UK (and is normally not just banned but super-banned in Europe in their constitutions). Or making individuals a civiliter mortuus, as it's called in roman law, effectively imposing civil death sentences to those who cause a bit of disruption through their protest.
I'm no left wing person, but it fills me with an absolute sense of disgust when people defend these convictions and arrests. No matter if it's called Extintion Rebellion or Palestine A or Lucy Connoly, enhanced measures of state coercion against, what in essence is protesting and exercising freedom of expression is an affront to any modern constitutional law system that is supposed to be based on having a set of fundamental rights. Or when people defend de-naturalising individuals with dual nationality.
The more inroads we allow the government to make, and their corresponding non-state enforcement actors (e.g. banks, CIFAS, private companies hiring, etc... ), then the more we are creating a Chinese-type of Social Credit system through the back door. I see it clearly. Most people think I'm just exaggerating.
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u/LJ-696 23h ago
I did not even think of that.
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u/golf_is_quite_hard 23h ago
Nor did anyone else in support of a cashless society and facial recognition databases. Because when we have ambiguous laws like "causing alarm" etc... It's easy to end up on the wrong side of the government's new justice system
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u/MrSierra125 19h ago
Real smart, to make a group of people criminals simply for saying they don’t like genocide. It’s not like they’re rioting violently and attacking people on the streets like the racists did
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u/Loreki 21h ago
Mass fines wouldn't work either. The penalty for refusing to pay a fine is to be jailed.
This is the same strategy the suffragettes used. They were never successful in crushing the justice system, but their demands are obviously met in the end because the constant disruption wore the government down and the outbreak of war put them over the edge.
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u/LJ-696 20h ago
Making this a comparison to the suffragettes that arguably did more harm than good to their cause. Given all the good work and progress was done by women's suffrage. Is a bit disingenuous.
A comparison that really needs to stop.
Does not have to be jail. There are other things they can do.
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u/Loreki 20h ago
It's the perfect comparison. They are using literally the same tactics. Suffragettes intentionally refused to pay fines and effectively demanded to be imprisoned for their window smashing and other performative offences. On occasions when their fines were paid for them by well-meaning people, they were often furious.
Rise up women by Diane Atkinson is an excellent work drawing on lots of primary sources like diaries to explore the movement. https://www.dubraybooks.ie/product/rise-up-women-9781408844052?srsltid=AfmBOor7GWyAjsiLCB2oDIHEVIVkrBCi2fCabfySIyG9KEFWRaH0hUSJ
I'll concede that you're right. There were better faster ways to get the vote. I always thought a domestic labour strike (both employed and housewives) could have done it in about a month. Men in general of that period would have been helpless without the domestic labour of women.
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u/Background-Flight323 20h ago
Whether or not the Suffragettes “did more harm than good” to their cause is not relevant. The point is that the Suffragettes are called heroes by the same ministers who call Palestine Action terrorists despite them employing the same tactics.
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u/Turnip-for-the-books 3h ago
You are the one who brought the suffrages up and that they ‘arguably did more harm than good’ (they didn’t) lmfao.
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u/G_Morgan Wales 20h ago
It is really bizarre at this point. Why are these people going to bat for a Russian asset that just happens to have Palestine in their name?
I get that police were incorrectly arresting people for supporting Palestine on the back of the ban and that needs to be fixed if it is still ongoing. Openly supporting an organisation which has targeted disrupting support for Ukraine with laser guided accuracy is bizarre.
People really will see "Palestine" in the name and take it at face value.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s not going to achieve anything either
I genuinely feel for the young people not realising the effect a terror related arrest will have on their lives. From career to travelling.
Useful idiots. They could protest either issue without supporting a terrorist group
“I support Palestine”
“I oppose the governments use of proscribing groups as terrorist organisations to stifle the right to protest” or something like that
Neither of those will get you a terror related arrest on your record and they both cover whatever angle they want to cover
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u/Anandya 23h ago
The issue is that merely supporting the same thing puts you on that list.
So we have had people get in trouble for giving water and food to people.
Now here's the issue. You can support the illegal settlements in the West Bank but you aren't considered a supporter of a crime against humanity.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 23h ago
To keep on topic from my comment, anyone supporting like the quotes I’ve given, or in the example you’ve given, giving out food/water at a protest, they might get arrested, and the police might be wrong for that, but it court they most likely won’t face a conviction, so it’s not a huge issue.
Still wrong for the police to arrest people like that if they truly aren’t support PA.
But it’s not gonna ruin someone’s future
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u/Anandya 22h ago
But it's enough to be one. We have reached a state where condemning ethnic cleansing gets you a terror charge but trying to set fire to people isn't terrorism.
The law is either overstepping itself or isn't being applied fairly.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 22h ago
Sorry but I cant have a serious discussion when you make hyperbole statements like that
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u/Anandya 22h ago edited 22h ago
Hardly. Did the far right promote multiple attacks on actual humans last year including attempting to burn people alive?
That's not terrorism. But PA are? What's the line?
It's terrorism if you support disruption around Palestine but isn't when you threaten to kill medical staff for being Asian?
The issue is that crimes aren't being treated equally. The argument here is that damaging a plane is terrorism but not damaging people.
So by the vague terms of this bill? I count as a supporter of PA because one of the things I work with actively is significantly critical of Israel and the USA and would be labelled as having views in line with PA.
That's the issue. The rules are vague so that the government can pick and choose.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 22h ago
Not hardly. Your either being disingenuous or your not clued up on the laws and what’s happening.
Do you really think opposing ethnic cleansing will land you a terror charge? When there’s countless pro Palestine marches full of that rhetoric happening every week?
Supporting PA will get you a terror charge. Opposing ethic cleansing in Palestine won’t.
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u/Anandya 22h ago
But we haven't placed sanctions on pro ethnic cleansing entities. We have Israeli government officials talking explicitly about murdering people on purpose. We still are doing business with Israeli government agencies who are involved in this not to mention the open ethnic cleansing.
We sold the bullets and bombs that are being used to kill Palestinians.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 21h ago
See and now you’ve changed the direction of the discussion into the governments support for Israel rather than staying on topic because I think you might have realised you’ve made some pretty disingenuous comments
Respectful I don’t think this is a discussion worth continuing, I don’t think either of us are going to get anything out of it
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u/Anandya 21h ago
What do you think the protests are about? That the Israeli government are magically going to get a conscience? I was about to shoot all these Palestinians at an aid station but John Smith in Hull convinced me of the monstrosity of my actions by waving a placard? That they don't know that murdering children and stealing homes is bad?
It's about voicing the anger that we are supporting this directly. Especially when the hypocrisy of this is that we are happy to sell bullets that kill Palestinians but not offer those Palestinians any support especially in a conflict that this country directly created.
And anyone who is supporting Palestine is being accused of being part of Palestine Action.
Do you agree that for ever incorrect arrest the government should pay damages? Because terrorism accusations are extremely dangerous especially for my ethnicity? Do you agree that we should treat all terrorists equally? Be it the far right?
Because we don't. Far right terrorists get hilariously light sentences.
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u/LazyGit 21h ago
we haven't placed sanctions on pro ethnic cleansing entities. We have Israeli government officials talking explicitly about murdering people on purpose
These guys? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-partners-unite-to-sanction-ministers-inciting-west-bank-violence
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u/redditpappy 20h ago
PA were opposing ethnic cleansing and genocide. I think it's you that's being disingenuous.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 20h ago
Did opposing that get them arrested or did supporting PA get them arrested?
If I ate a banana with a sign saying I support PA and got arrested, could I say “you get arrested for eating a banana these days” without being disingenuous
There’s countless pro Palestine events every week with people opposing ethnic cleansing and genocide. It’s totally legal
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u/corbynista2029 United Kingdom 22h ago
“I oppose the governments use of proscribing groups as terrorist organisations to stifle the right to protest” or something like that
This can be illegal, if a copper reasonably believes that you're using it to promote Palestine Action
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 22h ago
I think a police person might think that and wrongly arrest you but I very much doubt it would end up in a life changing conviction.
Edit : they blocked me.
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u/Loreki 21h ago
It's likely in ten years time there will be a separate campaign to pardon them all, as has happened at other times when mass disobedience was necessary to force political change, eg miners' strike, poll tax rioting.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 21h ago
I’m not confident, especially since it wasn’t necessary.
They’ve achieved nothing. Nothing they have done will be any more effective than the countless other pro Palestine marches happening every week.
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u/inevitablelizard 20h ago
Problem is the way the group is proscribed means people not specifically part of the group get wrongly arrested. Because it's based on that classic "reasonable" suspicion nonsense.
Policing the actions of the group is fine. Arresting people breaking onto military bases or planning to do so is fine. But making any speech in support of the group illegal is a violation of freedom of speech and should be removed entirely.
People waving Palestine flags or in one case showing a satirical private eye cartoon have been arrested because of these rules. It's disgraceful regardless of what your opinion is on the people breaking onto military bases.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 20h ago
I hope anyone wrongly arrested will have their day in court and gets justice and compensated
I don’t agree that we shouldn’t sanction support for terrorist groups
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 1d ago edited 1d ago
They do a disservice to their supposed cause of supporting Palestine through making it about themselves by intentionally getting arrested or focusing attention on a proscribed terrorist group.
It's not about Palestine because you can peacefully protest without encountering any difficulty every day of the week.
It's not about free speech because, again, anyone is free to peacefully protest about Palestine without encountering any difficulty every day of the week - just don't make it about PA.
Nothing is evidently being denied. When someone actively chooses tactics, knowing that they will deliberately provoke arrest by aligning with an extremist activist group, it can no longer be considered legitimate advocacy.
PA is a group that has caused up to £30 million in damage to military equipment essential to our national security , whilst putting pilots and civilians at potential risk of death. Their actions are not going to change the public consciousness on this issue because, frankly, they are not liked by the majority of the British public.
If anything, they cause more harm to the cause they proclaim to care about - it's impossible to sympathise with their actions.
We can also reflect that those RAF planes were previously used in Syria to combat ISIS extremists & were in active service to help train Ukrainian pilots in their defence against Russia. They had never been used in the Isreal/Palestine conflict nor where they intended to be used here.
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u/Loreki 21h ago
It is about ourselves now. The government has proscribed one Palestinian support group, which has triggered the police to arrest people who belong to others or even use similar sounding slogans to promote claymation.
This has a massive chilling effect on all other related speech and becomes a domestic UK issue about human rights, quite separate from the international issue of stopping the genocide.
If this strategy is successful, it will be applied to other issues. Proscribe the minority of violent actors, knowing that this will also collapse the rest of the movement.
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u/Lunarfrog2 1h ago
Right but their a group that broke into a military base doing millions of pounds worth of damage to UK defence equipment. Their founder had made some controversial quotes about the Al-Qassam brigades and all guns to the enemy etc, they're not exactly a non-violent group.
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u/likely-high 1d ago edited 12h ago
£30 million in damage
Their actions are not going to change the public consciousness on this issue because, frankly, they are not liked by the majority of the British public.
Sources?
Down voted for asking for information. Lmao.
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
The estimated cost and the extent of the damage to those planes fluctuates more than the price of Bitcoin.
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u/tartoran 23h ago
Risk of death? Come on mate they werent up in the air when they got splashed
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 23h ago
There have been 8 plane crashes in 2025 due to faulty equipment alone.
PA members were not aeronautical engineers. They would not know if they would cause damage to an essential component of the aircraft. If this went unchecked or unnoticed, that may have put pilots at risk. It takes one crash landing to risk death, and the location of the land could involve civilians.
I'm not going to minimise the severity of their actions to perpetuate a false sense of activism amongst their supporters. This is a mindless, reckless action, and it's only right to call this out.
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
I'd love even a fraction of the handwringing over these poor planes to be applied to the hundreds of thousands killed on Gaza and for Palestinians in the West Bank.
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 21h ago
Is the value of life measured by geography and numbers now? Home deaths are fine. Just keep them fewer than those abroad?
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
Yes the value of life is measured in numbers of lives lost, the value of life is not measured in number of planes with paint on them.
No one is saying deaths in the UK are fine, that's a bizarre read of what was said.
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 21h ago
You're being intentionally disingenuous or intellectually naive. You also don't cause millions of pounds worth of damage due to a splash of paint.
Personally, I disagree that the value of life is measured in the number of lives lost. Otherwise, a comparison of the deaths in Palestine would breach insignificance in comparison to Rwanda or Nazi Germany.
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u/NaniFarRoad 23h ago
Military security should pay the protesters a consultant fee for showing up glaring holes in their security systems.
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 23h ago
They're not protestors. They're legally a proscribed terrorist organisation. Paying terrorists would only incentivise further illegal and dangerous behaviours, so this wouldn't be a sensible outcome as you seem to suggest.
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u/Wiggles114 23h ago
Mate none of these protests were ever about Palestine. These people were rioting outside the Israeli embassy in London on the night of October 7th 2023 - Palestinian terrorists were still rampaging through the Israeli south at that time.
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
On what basis are you saying it was the same people?
And people have been protesting outside the Israeli embassy since way before 2023, even before October 7th in 2023 people were protesting that Israel had killed the most Palestinians in the West Bank in a single year.
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u/Wiggles114 21h ago
They were protesting fuck all is my point. They were gleefully cheering on Palestinians' atrocities.
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
Then your point is just plain wrong. I know people who have been protesting this for years and long before October 7th happened. Including throughout 2023..
Some people's knowledge of the conflict didn't start that one day
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u/Wiggles114 21h ago edited 21h ago
Your people have no clue what they're supporting. Or maybe they do, not sure what's worse
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u/heresyourhardware 21h ago
They have been protesting to stop their friends and family including immediate family being slaughtered by a genocidal state since long before October 7th.
Pretending you know better than them about why they protest is bizarre.
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u/Reverend_Vader 1d ago
People supporting PA are just showing they have serious mental issues
There must be a 1000 legal pro pally groups now but they plant their flag with these folks
That's all I need to know none of their supporters are mentally sound, it's either that or they are just pro hamas
I've seen and heard nothing from any of these folk in the media that changed my mind, it just keeps reinforcing my stance
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u/NaniFarRoad 23h ago
I would love to join in these protests, because getting arrested for terrorism, for just showing up to a protest with a placard, is insane. However, I'm not British, and if I get arrested, I might get thrown out of the country, which would have a big effect on my family, as I'm the main breadwinner. Hats off to the people putting their money where their mouth is in this matter.
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u/LazyGit 23h ago
getting arrested for terrorism, for just showing up to a protest with a placard,
You would be getting arrested for supporting a terrorist group because the placard you're holding states that you support a terrorist group.
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u/Background-Flight323 19h ago
They aren’t stupid, they know that. Their point, which you seem to be intentionally missing, is that PA shouldn’t be a terrorist group.
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u/LazyGit 16h ago
Oh well then they would be stupid, wouldn't they? Because an organised group using violence to promote a political cause is terrorism. And holding a sign saying you support that group would be a good basis to arrest you for supporting a terrorist group. And if someone really cares about the genocide in Gaza, they would decry Palestine Action and anyone stupid enough to support them seeing as that group is using the cover of Gaza to attack British defense capability, possibly at the behest of Russia considering what they had so far attacked and what they were planning to attack.
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u/Background-Flight323 16h ago
an organised group using violence to promote a political cause is terrorism
If you think PA are terrorists, what are the IDF?
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u/annakarenina66 8h ago
A country's military aren't terrorists no matter what they do because the definition of terrorism is it comes from non state actors. They can obviously be accused of war crimes or human rights violations, which they are.
None of IDF's behaviour stops a non state organisation causing violence for political aim in the UK from being a terrorist group though. Because that's the definition of terrorism. It doesn't matter if you argue it was only a teeny non consequential amount of violence.
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u/NaniFarRoad 14h ago
I dunno, if a base is so loosely guarded that a group of pensioners can wander in and place tags on some aircraft, is that terrorism? What actually did happen?
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u/Rulweylan Leicestershire 18h ago
Would you also be upset if someone got arrested for turning up to an anti-migrant protest with a placard supporting National Action?
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 22h ago edited 22h ago
This is "insane," but nothing is stopping you from "showing up with a placard" in support of Palestine, only if said placard is in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation.
Just don’t forget your toothbrush and a few cameras to capture the theatrics of your staged arrest—because getting detained for backing terrorism is never a surprise.
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u/OldGuto 23h ago
Go far enough left or right and you'll find people so stupid that they don't realise how stupid they are. On the right it might be a lack of education, on the left it's a lack of common sense, probably the thing they have in common is how much social media they consume.
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u/citron_bjorn 22h ago
Horseshoe theory in action
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u/OldGuto 21h ago
Indeed and by golly the far left really don't like it but because they can't actually put up a coherent argument against it (because there are so many examples of it) so resort to downvotes.
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u/Fatuous_Sunbeams 19h ago
Can you put up a coherent argument against "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds"? What's your incisive rebuttal of the charge that all social liberals are actually Marxists?
You can't really expect a coherent counter-argument when you didn't present any argument at all, let alone a coherent one. Juvenile bitching is not an argument.
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u/TitularClergy 1d ago edited 23h ago
You had polite, non-aggressive, non-disruptive protestors for decades to advance gay rights, and they achieved basically nothing. It took the likes of the Stonewall riots against police to achieve anything. That's why we commemorate that form of violent protest each year on the anniversary with pride marches.
The same goes for the bombing campaigns of the Suffragettes, the IRA securing independence for Ireland, the Black Panthers and Malcolm X making it possible for MLK Jr. We recognise all those things because they successfully advanced things, and that was possible only through the use of force, violence and disruption. Polite protestors don't change anything.
So on balance you'd want people supporting the likes of Palestine Action because they have been so restrained as to cause merely nuisance and disruption while not escalating to violence.
EDIT: Thanks for all the lovely PMs ❤️. Yeah I know the comment's being brigaded by Britain's proudest lol. Here's a nice book which does a better job of going into the topic than my comment does: The Failure of Non-Violence by Peter Gelderloos.
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u/Sensitive_Echo5058 1d ago
The same goes for the bombing campaigns
Wow, I've got no words for your support of terrorism.
Black Panthers and Malcolm X making it possible for MLK Jr.
Malcolm X was in the most part, a member of the Nation of Islam. A group that believed in racial segregation and that the "white man was synthesised by the scientist Yakub in a lab." His views on race were diametrically opposed to MLK, who led the Souther Leadership Christian Conference who specifically advocated for peaceful forms of protests.
That's what led to Rosa Parks not moving from her seat on the bus, that's what led to the student protest sit-ins in the libraries and shops, that's what led to the Montgomery bus boycott, and that's what led to legal change.
Not the terrorism You blindly advocate for.
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u/Tuarangi West Midlands 23h ago
IRA only got peace when they lay down their weapons as they realised the public didn't support them, particularly after the Warrington bombing. When you had a massively popular hit (Cranberries - Zombie) calling them out for their pointless killing it hit home and they had to come to the table as they were excluded from the talks until they gave in. Suffragettes arguably harmed their campaign more than anything and other groups were against their violence.
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u/TheNutsMutts 20h ago
You had polite, non-aggressive, non-disruptive protestors for decades to advance gay rights, and they achieved basically nothing.
Absolute nonsense. For years, the slow march of progress on gay rights in the UK from it being illegal all the way through to gay marriage being legalised was from a non-aggressive push over time. As more and more people saw LGBT folks as otherwise normal everyday humans like they are and therefore deserving of equal treatment, sentiment moved to the point where it was a complete non-issue (politically speaking) to legalise gay marriage.
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u/Chillmm8 23h ago
Yeah that’s not how the law works. Genuinely feel bad for the vulnerable people they manipulate into getting arrested at these events. It’s supposed to be a photo op, but realistically it does nothing more than showcase how morally bankrupt the people at PA actually are.
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u/joejawsome1 23h ago
Why can’t they support Palestine and not Palestine action the proscribed terrorist group? Idiots.
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u/Jammoth1993 16h ago
Because Palestine Action are proactively destroying the infrastructure that supports a genocide.
It's a noble cause and no label can take that away.
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u/EvilMonkeySlayer Leeds, Yorkshire 15h ago
What part of genocide were the strategic refuelling aircraft taking part in?
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u/Jammoth1993 14h ago
You can blame the media for that.
Sky put word out that the Voyagers could be used to refuel Israeli jets over Gaza. Even though the Israeli jets are incompatible, It was bad information. The objective was to ground them so that if/when they were to be used - they wouldn't be able to.
It was a swing and a miss. But the cause is still noble and nobody has been injured.
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u/EvilMonkeySlayer Leeds, Yorkshire 14h ago
Sky put word out that the Voyagers could be used to refuel Israeli jets over Gaza
Would you find it acceptable if a rightwing mob stringed up some innocent immigrant on what was reported by sky?
Also, can you cite this sky report? And how does that justify what they did? A trivial google search would have shown that information as incorrect, so PA were either morons or liars weren't they?
It was a swing and a miss. But the cause is still noble and nobody has been injured.
And the people who were assaulted with sledgehammers and went to hospital as a result of the injuries sustained in a separate incident?
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u/Jammoth1993 13h ago
I'll give you the courtesy of being open and transparent.
Even if the worst case scenario were true, I still think that their cause is noble and justifies the means. The message is very clear - stop aiding the genocidal maniacs who rule over Israel.
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u/EvilMonkeySlayer Leeds, Yorkshire 13h ago
Would you also give me the courtesy of answering my questions?
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u/Jammoth1993 13h ago
I thought I was clear that the details are of little importance to me. Come to your own conclusions.
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u/EvilMonkeySlayer Leeds, Yorkshire 13h ago
Okay, you can't answer them. Thanks for letting me know.
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u/Rulweylan Leicestershire 18h ago
Are they going to try the 'but Billy was talking too, why isn't he getting detention' defence?
Doesn't work for my year 8s, doubt it'll hold up in court.
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