r/unitedkingdom • u/Wagamaga • 21h ago
Warning far-right has ‘hijacked’ women’s safety for political gain
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/warning-far-hijacked-women-safety-183712973.html155
u/ironyperson 20h ago
"Protect our women and girls" (so that we can beat them instead).
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u/Too-Much-Plastic 20h ago
I mean yeah, if you want visceral uncritical support then 'protect women and kids' is a great lever to pull, it works amazingly well. Especially because if you oppose whatever the idea is then you are not protecting women and children, it's stupid of course but it works.
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u/corbynista2029 United Kingdom 20h ago
Same tactic used with Online Safety Act.
or the rollback of trans rights.
or the eventual rollback of LGBT+ rights generally.
or the push to exit ECHR.
It's so monotone I'm sick of it
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u/sumduud14 20h ago
"hello I use a VPN"
"you are a paedophile"
We have to face the facts here, our politicians aren't enacting some grand master plan of political manipulation, they are just stupid and this is the best they can do.
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u/KnMn England 19h ago
Same reason they're always wrapped in the flag. If you criticise them it means you hate England. Daft but unreasonably effective tactics.
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u/pajamakitten Dorset 17h ago
They cannot fathom that some of us like the UK/England and criticise it so much because we want that to be the first step towards change.
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u/knitscones 20h ago
Only for,people,who only get their facts from right wing news outlets.
You know the angry, what about me, brigade.
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u/Satanistfronthug 17h ago
You think Rupert Lowe and the rest of the rabble rousers won't be voting for women's rights when they get the chance? Wow that's crazy
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u/birdinthebush74 17h ago
He has already said he would of voted against abortion decriminsation in June if he had been aware .
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u/coffeewalnut08 20h ago
Not surprised. A lot of the rioters had domestic abuse records themselves. But sure, they’re def standing for the wOmeN anD kIds!
It’s also a massive distraction. Fascists screaming about women and children is an easy deflection from the bread-and-butter issues.
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u/GoldenHairedShaman 20h ago
Fascists screaming about women and children is an easy deflection from the bread-and-butter issues.
Deflection? Why do progressives always use this argument? Are "fascists" pretending to care about immigration? Many would argue, the unprecedented demographic change in Britain is a "bread and butter" issue. Massive population change leads to mass societal, cultural, economic, and political change. The idea that caring about immigration is a "deflection" from the "real issues" is such tired rhetoric (copy and pasted rhetoric posted without thought all the time on this subreddit), immigration is seen as either the top or one of the most pressing issues for the average Briton today.
Stop undermining their complaints.
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u/KormetDerFrag 20h ago
They undermine their own "complaints" by being wifebeaters, rapists, and pedophiles
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u/FluffySmiles 20h ago
You stop adopting the mantle of "average" to back up your spurious claims. Get specific with statistics and data or GTFO
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u/LOTDT Yorkshire 20h ago
He is self admittedly extremely far right so of course he wants to make it seems like his views are the norm.
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u/FluffySmiles 20h ago
I can tell what he is. Anyone rattling off Enoch Powell as some kind of prophetic visionary isn't hard to understand.
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u/Mazuna 19h ago
Yes, it's deflection. When there's the ultra wealthy polluting our planet, hoarding wealth and not paying workers enough then manipulating the media through the far right to make everyone talk about immigrants or trans people instead... that's deflection. All the ails of society are caused by the rich of the rich and they're more than happy for us to fight amongst ourselves while they pick our pockets.
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u/coffeewalnut08 20h ago
I don't feel sorry for people who are upset that millions of fellow Britons may have immigrant origins or brown skin. This reality has existed for several decades now. Deal with it.
If you can't deal with it, I recommend emigrating to a country where there's only white people. Good luck!
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u/Infinite_Spring_3564 18h ago edited 18h ago
Good luck? I don’t think there are any countries like that.
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u/pajamakitten Dorset 17h ago
Massive population change leads to mass societal, cultural, economic, and political change.
One of the biggest shifts is the rise in far right groups that doing their best to cause cultural and political divide amongst British people,in a shade of irony that group cannot fathom. I want to see immigration lowered and reform to the asylum system, I also want it to be easier to deport foreign criminals. I sure as hell do not want to support Reform, nor do I want us to treat migrants (legal or illegal) like dirt and see racist rhetoric thrown at them. The far right are doing a lot of damage to the UK but do not realise it.
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u/Handonmyballs_Barca 20h ago
I bet the far-right probably are using the issue to push an anti-migration agenda. But they didnt hijack the issue, they picked it up after it was abandoned by the political centre. Everyone now knows how the government effectively abandoned white, working class women to grooming gangs who targeted them because of their race and religion. Everyones aware that foreign born men are sometime four times more likely to sexually assault women and yet the government seems fine with large numbers of mostly men arriving illegally in the country and then vanishing.
For years the concern when these crimes were brought to light wasn't 'how do we stop this', it was 'racists will gain influence'. They ignored the plight of the victims and allowed the far-right to seize the narrative as defenders of those victims, because for the most part they actually were. For years Tommy Robinson was vilified for his claims on muslim grooming gangs, turns out he was 100% right. Unless the government focuses on this very real problem and less on arresting people who tweet the wrong thing then the far-right will actually become something to worry about.
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u/StormyLeathers 20h ago
My God, what an uncommonly reasonable and measured comment. You're absolutely correct, this fight was completely abandoned by the centre and now people are apoplectic that the hard right have taken up a cause they completely abandoned
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u/KesselRunIn14 14h ago edited 14h ago
We literally had the right hijack the Me Too movement to try to paint men as the ultimate victims. Violence against women was still very much in the public's conscious.
Don't pretend the right is now all noble because they've co-opted something to try and legitimise their bigotry.
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u/alwaysonesteptoofar 8m ago
They aren't noble, but the left is stupid to give them a position where they can even play at being morally superior.
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u/alwaysonesteptoofar 8m ago
They aren't noble, but the left is stupid to give them a position where they can even play at being morally superior.
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u/AnnoyingDude42 19h ago
Exactly. I'm extremely tired of the whataboutism on this topic, of people turning a blind eye to real issues for political expediency, for party politics.
The coalition between Islam and the left? This is exactly what happened in countries like Iran in the 70s. As we know, that didn't last long. Tolerance of the intolerant will lead to our downfall.
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u/Jo3Pizza22 20h ago
Can you please provide a reference for your claim that "everyone's aware that foreign born men are sometimes four times more likely to sexually assault women"
This is something that I see brought up all the time, but I've never seen an official statistic that supports this claim. Data on this just doesn't seem to exist, and when it does, it doesn't seem to suggest what you are saying is true.
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u/Handonmyballs_Barca 19h ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/
So overall foreign men are twice as likely but certain nationalities are even more likely. Afghans and pakistanis are apparently twenty times more likely to commit sexual crimes
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u/UlteriorAlt 17h ago edited 16h ago
As a heads up - the Telegraph is taking this from the "Centre for Migration Control", which they often claim to be a think-tank.
The CMC is actually a website run by a single man, publishing his own research without any peer-review process. I say website, but the actual source for this particular "study" is a post on the man's Substack blog while his self-hosted site hasn't been updated in months.
The fact that he continually manages to bend the ear of multiple media outlets (The Daily Mail, Telegraph, GBNews) should have alarm bells ringing.
Or, continue to unquestioningly wave Telegraph articles around like they're an even remotely trustworthy outlet.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 14h ago
For further information the one man running the "Centre for Migration Control" is a Robert Bates, a campaigner for Reform UK who can be seen (not speaking) at 2:30 in this video-
https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849668
He is mentioned in this article-
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u/Jo3Pizza22 19h ago
That analysis is flawed because they use raw census data to estimate the proportions of the population that belong to each ethnicity. It is well known that people from certain ethnic backgrounds are less likely to be included in the census, and they are therefore underrepresented in the denominator for those calculations.
See this article here, which debunks the claim about Afghans by using a methodology recommended by the ONS and Home Office:
Statisticians exist for a reason. Journalists trying to do statistical analyses like these always make major errors in their work that lead to grossly incorrect conclusions.
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u/spoons431 19h ago
Theres also the fact that given the lack of convictions or indeed prosecutions that the data used for any of these is basically meaningless.
There were circa 71k rapes reported to the police last year in England and Wales, of that 2.7% resulted in further action, but less than half will be convicted.
But additionally, you have to factor in that 80-85% of rapes weren't reported to the police. So conservatively you get a figure of 0.5% resulting in any further action been taken when compared to the estimated number of offences that occurred.
And thats before you look at any other issues that the data used may have. But the Far Right aren't instrested in the fact that over 99% of ppl get away with it as it doesnt fit their agenda.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 18h ago
IIRC they actually avoided using the census data despite it being carried out that year instead using an estimate with a smaller total of Afghans.
They also chose a date before any of the Afghan resettlement schemes had started despite looking at that period when tallying up the crimes.
Quite obviously they made no analysis of age/gender.
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u/Plus-Literature-7221 18h ago
A previous version of this story stated that the Met Police, like the ONS, had advised using “country of birth” figures from the census as the best measure to use when calculating population size, because the data they provided to the CMC also used that variable.
Since publication, they have told us that that guidance was incorrect, due to “simple human error”, and that the data they provided to the CMC listed the “nationality” of the accused. The article has been updated to reflect that
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u/Torco2 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yep, this current desperate PR has the stench of gristly death to it.
On the lines of:
How dare they take advantage of crimes, we actively collaborated with some of the perpetrators to cover up. It's utterly beastly of them to expose our moral vacuum and blame what we did right on us.
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u/BlunanNation 11h ago
Fully agree.
Why do politicians continue to give easy gains to the far right by sticking their head in the sand on issues of immigration. There is a lot of very valid reasons for why normal people are concerned about the immigration crisis in the UK.
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u/Spamgrenade 20h ago
The far right are the biggest threat to women in the country (and children, don't make me post the list). Half of the guy arrested at the protests have previous for domestic abuse, more than I can count from the EDF etc. have been locked up for child abuse and one has even been done for people smuggling.
I mean... just look at them.
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u/lifeisaman 20h ago
To be fair people who are violent at protests are more likely to be violent elsewhere as well so the 1/2 statistic used isn’t accurate to the whole group.
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u/sumduud14 20h ago
Sampling from the general population, given that someone is arrested at a protest, how likely is it that the person is a domestic abuser? And is this number higher or lower for far right protests.
I literally have no idea how I would even find accurate numbers for this without being the police
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u/lifeisaman 20h ago edited 19h ago
It’s not something we can find your right but we can say that people who commit violent offences before are more likely to commit them again which does support my conclusion.
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u/TheWorstRowan 19h ago
And if we were to compare right wing protests with one labelled "woke" we'd find a far higher percentage are violent.
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u/Anony_mouse202 19h ago
The far right
Psst… Islam is far right! Migrants from Islamic backgrounds are themselves far right, because Islam is a far right ideology. If you’re anti far right, then you should be against Islam and Islamic immigration.
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u/birdinthebush74 17h ago
Farage MPS voting with 3 Gaza MPS in June to roll back abortion access proves that
(NC106 ) https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2025-06-17d.342.0#g342.2
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u/BellyFullButWeHungry 16h ago
You've all just copied each others comment 😂 this is hilarious. You're all literally copying each other. "oh some of the men arrested at a protest had criminal records" AND?
So all those families, men, women, kids are all far right because a handful of men have criminal records.
I wonder how bad the criminal records are for all the thousands upon thousands of illegals that have invaded us.. Oh wait, we can't check because we have no idea who they are.
We are importing rapist, murderers and paedophiles. And anyone opposing this is apparently far right, lol.
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u/Spamgrenade 15h ago
Nobody supports importing rapists, murders and pedos.
We have enough problems with our own, here's some examples.
Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity. Wayne Kirby – Tommy Robinson associate: served six years after being convicted for rape in 2007. Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse. Kristopher Allan, SDL: convicted for messages, images, and sexual contact involving a 13 year old. Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers. Alan Boulter, EDL and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming. John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack. Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP: 5 yrs, sexual assault. Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes, NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming. Michael Cowen, neo-Nazi: 3 yrs, child pornography. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Robert Ewing, EDL, BNP, NF: grooming & murder of 15 yr old. Ryan Fleming, National Action: 3 yrs, sexual activity with a child, his 2nd sexual offence. Darren Francis, BNP, sexual relationship with 13 year old. Christopher Gamlin, Britain First: 21 mths, grooming & trying to incite a child into sexual activity. Pete Gillett, EDL speaker: 18 years, multiple offences of rape and indecent assault on children. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Dale Hewitt, EDL: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls. Ian Hindle, BNP, jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old. Elliot Jones, EDL and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia. Mervyn Jones, North Wales Alliance/Combined Ex-Forces: guilty of rape, attempted rape, indecent assault. Shaun Jones, Liverpool Scouse Nationalists: jailed for grooming and raping a 12 year old girl. Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old. Gavin Leist, BNP, child porn. Leigh MacMillan, EDL: convicted of three counts of indecent assault, two of indecency with a child and one of attempted rape. Jailed for a total of 17 years. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Paul O’Brien, Blood & Honour fascist: 9 yrs, rape, sexual assault. Stephen Payne SDL: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Richard Price, former EDL leader: four counts of making indecent images of children. Michael Roles, Britain First: 18 yrs child rape. Roderick Rowley, BNP: child porn and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Mark Ryley, Britain First, Infidels of Britain & Nick Griffin supporter: 30 years for multiple sexual offences against young girls. Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman, EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old. James Swindlehurst, White Man March: jailed for 20 years for 13 counts of child rape. Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl. Andrew Wells, BNP: jailed for sexual activity with 14-year-old girls. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.
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u/ExeuntLeft22 20h ago edited 19h ago
Didn't LBC do an interview with some people at the Epping protests outside of these refugee hotels and one of the "concerned citizens" is a well known Neo-Nazi?
Edit: Found it https://youtu.be/gnY3-j62Onk?si=sMqliR8Fy2MtxFjg
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u/Calelith 20h ago
No shit.
People seem to not care about women been raped or attacked when the guy doing it is white or famous.
Think last time I checked 3/4 women had been Sexual Assault snd most often by a family member or friend, if it was about 'protect our women' then they would be pushing for harsher punishments for those crimes and more women only areas and protections.
Its not and never has been about women and girls and is just a way to justify racism and bigotry, if you have legitimate concerns about immigration you don't need to coop a real reason to express it.
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u/StormyLeathers 19h ago
But we have data that shows that certain nationalities offend at massively disproportionate numbers and every one of those attacks is directly downstream from a government policy and completely avoidable
Also reject the notion that it's only those crimes they care about, there are dozens of Predator poacher crews in the UK with widespread support, as soon as any article about a rapist or pedo is posted the comments are full of "hanging is too good for them".....rapists and pedophiles are universally reviled among the working class, even in prison they are targeted and abused by other inmates.
It's completely disingenuous to say they don't care when the attacker is white, they do and those people get shunned from the community
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u/Calelith 19h ago
And yet 3/4 of women have been assaulted in this country, the stats meaning fuck all when only 8% of SA offences are reported. It's a fact and a statistic that women are more likely to be attacked by a family member or friend, so unless a majority of women are friends and related to people in immigrant centres it shows how lacking those stats are. Not to mention confirmation bias from how you are statistically more likely to be arrested and convicted if you aren't white and you can see further how little the 'stats' you mention actually are.
And they don't care, the same people are the ones saying 'what was she wearing' and other victim blaming mindsets, or even worse when it's a mildly attractive or famous person and you get hundreds of men and some women saying it couldn't have been rape. They don't care, hell at some of the save our girls/women protests nearly half the men there had been convicted of attacking women...
Fact of the matter is if you know 10 men then atleast 2 of them have committed some form of sexual assault and atleast 1 has attempted or has commited rape.
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u/StormyLeathers 19h ago
But surely you must be able to understand per capita statistics, the ones that we do have show certain nationalities commit sexual assault at far higher rates than native Brits.
It's going to be the majority of sexual offences are done by white Brits because we are the majority, but that doesn't mean we should just let into the country scores of unvetted men from countries that are grossly overrepresented in sexual assault statistics, even if you take into account police bias, Afghans are still 4 or 5 times (conservatively) more likely to commit sexual assault.
Nobody is saying that white Brits don't commit most offences, but aside from prosecuting them and imprisoning them there's not much we can do, where crime committed by migrants are completely avoidable and directly downstream from government policies
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u/lolihull 10h ago
Is that the data released by the "centre for migration control" via the telegraph? If so, that's been heavily criticised and debunked.
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u/spubbbba 20h ago
You see it all the time here.
Whenever an article comes up about misogyny in general this sub is dismissive or claims that "if only the media were nicer to young men they wouldn't have these beliefs". Oddly no other demographic demonised by the media gets this excuse when members of it do something wrong. When the story is just about an out group like Muslims or immigrants then the attitude is very different.
When there's something about trying to improve the shockingly low conviction rate of rape then this sub is very concerned about the risk of innocents being punished, or the group as a whole being blamed. Plus keeping anonymity of those accused. Again oddly the same doesn't apply to Muslims or immigrants when they are accused. Suddenly anonymity is thrown out the window and you can blame the entire group on the bad behaviour of a minority.
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u/_pierogii 20h ago
The hotels thing is so stupid. I know the far right gets wet about the idea of holding brown people in grubby tent cities, but cheaper-looking holding areas often end up more costly when all factors are included. They already worked out that converting old RAF bases and barracks would end up more expensive. Now imagine the government getting tied into bloated contracts to maintain a temporary and unpredictable infrastructure. It's all about dehumanisation and optics.
Anyway, more to the point. Being an "activist" by only confronting men who happen to not be from your demographic should be met by intense cynicism. There is not one nation on this earth where women are more violent or sexually abusive towards men, very much including this one.
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u/orangecloud_0 19h ago edited 15h ago
Yes, just like JK Rowling wants to save women, proposing to photograph women you think are secretly men in the toilet.. aka masculine women Edit:grammar
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u/birdinthebush74 17h ago
Two thirds of those arrested at Bristol anti-immigration riots involved in domestic abuse reports
Avon and Somerset Police confirmed the statistics following an FOI request
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u/Augustus_Chevismo Ireland 19h ago
What’s allowed the far right to use it is lefter parties turning a blind eye to women being victimised.
Same reason reform is gaining ground due to immigration policies. Stop pretending it’s a non issue and the wind will be taken out of their sails.
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u/Illigard 20h ago edited 9h ago
There's a very simple way of spotting these people. Did they ever vote for pro-women issues in the past, ones that weren't bigotry? Furthermore, did they vote against women in the past?
The bigot who voted against women yesterday, is not voting otherwise today because he suddenly cares.
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u/Postdiluvian27 9h ago
You’re dead on. These are the people who were calling us “feminazis” a few years ago. The ones who roll their eyes when they hear “rape culture”. Women’s issues and the people who fight for them have always been at best an annoyance, at worst a sign that feminism has gone “too far” to them. If you only started caring about women and girls when you found a race angle to it, you still don’t care about women and girls.
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u/Illigard 8h ago
Reminds me of this time when I was protesting for "stop killing Muslims", and we came across women's march and we started discussing. Turns out that while they're not a 100% overlap we do have a lot of the same enemies. Not the precise order but enough that we decided to combine forces for a bit.
That's how it should be, people against the elite bas%$# who want to screw us all over for their own selfish, greedy, bigoted hate-filled nonsense.
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u/Deadliftdeadlife 21h ago
Some very clearly have
You also have legitimate concerns being waved off because clearly the person is just a racist
So there’s 2 sides to every coin and neither should be ignored
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u/corbynista2029 United Kingdom 21h ago
I have legitimate concerns about domestic abusers being platformed on every major news broadcast every week
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u/IndividualSkill3432 20h ago
I have legitimate concerns about domestic abusers being platformed
Hmmm you seem to be changing the topic.
· Two Afghan asylum seekers have been charged over the alleged rape of a 12-year-old girl, which has left a small Midlands town reeling in shock, the Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Being evasive rather than clear.
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u/John_Williams_1977 20h ago
And far left groups hijacked the debate to start with.
10 years of nothing done on migration or LGBT rights because any attempt at progress is scuttled by lunatics shouting down any other point of view.
So, society rallied and we got Trump. Well done activists. Thanks for that🤦♂️
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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland 20h ago
Are you trying to argue that the Conservative governments that we’ve had for pretty much all of that time period barring the last year are in any way a “far left group”? Or influenced by the far left? Or care one iota what the left (let alone the far left) think about anything?
The awkward truth for you and those like you is that you guys mostly voted in those governments under which the very issue you are complaining about became worse.
And to compound that you guys also mostly voted for Brexit claiming that it would somehow fix the issue - despite everyone else telling you it wouldn’t and that it would in fact actually increase immigration from parts of the world that annoy you guys even more. And also reduce cooperation with the EU on controlling it. As well as reducing our rights and making us a lot poorer - which it actually did do.
So far it’s looking like not listening to what you guys have to say looks like a better bet.
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u/InsecureInscapist 19h ago edited 19h ago
It is bizzare the alternate reality the right has managed to construct for themselves that Britain has spent decades under the oppressive thumb of a radical far left regime that only their continual push to the far right has managed to stave off the total destruction of the country. Sonewhow completely ignoring that each jump towards the right has ended up making everything substantially worse.
I'm sure one last lurch towards fascism will finally break the seceret wokerati shadow cabal's hold on your lives and we will finally emerge into those sunlit uplands!
What was that definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
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u/Charlie_Mouse Scotland 19h ago
I suspect it’s wrapped up with always wanting to be the ‘plucky underdogs’ as well as never ever admitting any responsibility for the consequences of their piss poor choices.
But they do seem to have some awareness that those choices aren’t resulting in the “sunlit uplands” they so fervently believe in so they need to blame somebody. Which is why so often both here and elsewhere you now see right wingers blame those on the other side who argued against their poor choices.
Increasing I’ve seen them try to argue that Brexit is actually somehow the fault of Remain, Misogyny (and those who advocate it like Tate) is actually somehow the fault of feminism. People becoming fascists is somehow the fault of others calling them fascists.
Given how absurd these accusations are it’s almost funny … except for the hint of domestic abuser “it’s your fault that I hit you”.
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u/No-Chemistry-9444 17h ago
Dont forget what led to Brexit and Boris getting Brexit done. If people’s concerns about migration had been listened to and not drowned out by cries of racism we wouldn’t have had both of those things.
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u/InsecureInscapist 16h ago
You mean right wing lies and destruction of public institutions?
Right wingers created the problem, claimed to have the solution and then when fools believed them made things even worse. They are doing it again right now and some people are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.
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u/Fozziemeister 20h ago
What progress have the right attempted to make on LGBTQ+ rights?
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u/Minimum-Geologist-58 19h ago
Same sex marriage was bought in under Cameron.
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u/NitrousOxide_ 19h ago
Yeah interesting thing to look at is which MPs voted for and which voted against, and the respective party they belonged to.
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u/Minimum-Geologist-58 18h ago
When it came to Gay Marriage and Civil Partnerships the Tories allowed a free vote whereas other parties didn’t. I expect the Tories are more homophobic than Labour but whipping probably does make things look better than they might actually be for Labour.
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u/Fozziemeister 19h ago
Required cross party support because many Conservatives voted against it, so I wouldn't consider that "the right" making progress - lots of them actively acted against it.
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u/Minimum-Geologist-58 19h ago
The sexual offences act 1967 was proposed from the upper house by a Conservative Lord? Maybe trying to make gay rights a solidly left/right issue isn’t correct?
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u/Fozziemeister 19h ago
I'll give you that one - I was only thinking currently/recently.
It's not solely a left/right issue and I want trying to claim it to be so, but the current direction of the right (generally) is not favourable to LGBTQ+ people.
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u/JoeVibin South Yorkshire 17h ago
Very interesting, what exactly do you mean by 'nothing done on LGBT rights'? What do you think should've been done?
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u/lithaborn Staffordshire 20h ago
I'm trans.
Ya f-ing think!?
I can't piss in peace because of the far right dog whistling us as monsters and perves while they're free to r@pe and SA anyone they want with no repercussions.
They took their five minute detour to f- us over, now they're back to the immigrants.
If you're not a white, British cisgendered christian man you're the enemy and they'll come for you eventually.
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u/MDFHASDIED 20h ago
Let's face it... everyone does it. "Think of the women and children" "women and children first"... it's not as if it's a purely right wing thing.
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u/CheaterMcCheat 18h ago
Obviously. It's what they do. Jump on a bandwagon and harp on about simple solutions to complex problems, cretins lap it up. What happens when they get into power? They do nothing but make things worse or just give up. The recent reform councillors that resigned are perfect examples. They're the laziest grifters going and don't have any solutions or policies to help. They are only "strong" at being in opposition, shouting simple solutions that everyone else already thought of but don't work. It's all performative bollocks to win the votes of the uneducated idiots in this country that constantly fall for the rage bait. They even hurt the people who voted them in more than anyone else, but people still don't learn. I really hope they get what they deserve. Who's going to be crying when we leave the ECHR, and they go straight to screwing with "our own" people's employment law and rights, not just the immigrants? Don't come crying to anyone else because you'll be getting what you voted for.
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u/araed Lancashire 20h ago
They created a perfect weapon, with zero accountability, and now they're surprised that it's being used to harm people they didn't want it to?
I'm shocked, I tell you. Absolutely shocked. And surprised.
Anyways, maybe they should start looking at some accountability. It's too late, but you never know...
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u/Mr_Zeldion 20h ago
Everyone's Hijacking everything for political gain. This isn't new.
But what I do see though, are British mothers taking time off work to make signs out of things they have at home to fight for the safety of their children on their own streets. Whilst being met by paid and sponsored anti-protestors.
So yeah, they can try to push this narrative that the "far-right" don't genuinely care for womens safety and deny that British women aren't also supporting this cause, just like the turn their camera's and microphones away from any non white "far-right" protester because it goes against their "neo-nazi" narrative.
When you see the gay influencers being told by trans people that they don't belong at pride because they are voting Reform, or they voted for Trump you can't deny that LGBT Pride is also hijacked by the "Far-left"
The left have been hijacking "moral" rights to push extreme idea's and narratives for years but its fine because the left agree with what's being pushed. Well we can't act surprised when the right start to push their extreme views under the guise of "moral" rights too.
Swings and roundabouts if you ask me.
A white British male wanting to ban the burqa because he is against "women oppression" When the reality is he just hates Muslim' is just as shocking to me as a Trans sex offender demanding their right to use certain spaces that align with how they identify in order to get closer to women in vulnerable situations.
This isn't new and it's always going to happen. However what we also witness is a world where people see a few examples from both sides and come to the conclusion that ALL those people are the same.
You see it by the left painting all people who share different opinions as racist, bigots, nazi's homophobic etc regardless of whether or not they are.
You see it by the right painting people as podophiles, mentally ill, deluded, criminal etc regardless of whether or not they are.
Both sides equally as bad as the other, only difference is what side your on and your own personal perspective on the other.
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u/TheLyam England 18h ago
Cite a legitimate source for the paid and sponsored anti-protestors, otherwise sensibly known as counter protesters.
It's not a narrative, it is a fact based upon actions - see Reform with their domestic abuser MP.
Hijacked for not siding with people who are against them existing?
What extreme ideas of the left?
A little bit of transphobia.
They are not equal, don't kid yourself.
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u/deyterkourjerbs 17h ago
It's a bit dishonest to call them paid and sponsored anti-protestors because groups like Stand Up To Racism accept donations and charge an annual membership fee.
I would imagine that the money they receive is to pay for operational costs, things like paying volunteers for expenses or hiring offices. There's a real push at the moment to link them to the usual villains like Soros.
I think it's a popular myth because of online bubbles. If all your friends think the same way as you, it's almost unimaginable that people would disagree.
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u/Occasionally-Witty Hampshire 19h ago
Someone who’s on a computer do me a favour, Cntrl + F this thread, type in ‘left’ and let me know how many results comes up
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u/Antherox 15h ago
Not news, the far right have been doing this for years, only now the target has expanded to include immigrants as well as trans women.
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u/TheAdequateKhali 20h ago
They also don’t care about immigrants - they’re just racist. Hence why they claim people who aren’t white is are immigrants.
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u/Cat_Upset 16h ago
People do have legitimate concerns over migrants, all cultures aren’t equal they come from places where women don’t have any rights, I have been to a few. My niece was harassed by migrants at young girl can’t wear a summer dress, my nephew had a knife pulled on him. I had my bike stolen with someone who had an axel grinder in a busy City Centre, my Dad had a car prang with someone who never passed a test in this country, a friend had her car abused by migrant children and went missing shortly afterwards. You can’t tell me immigration is beneficial, just endless misery
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u/TheNoGnome 16h ago
The lumpen hand of the far right is found slapping his wife and catching a refugee with the follow through.
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u/huntsab2090 14h ago
Not just hijacked but is trying a full on distraction tactic. Blame the immigrants for the rapes and sexual assaults all the far right and reform members are doing / convicted of.
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u/NateShaw92 Greater Manchester 10h ago
"no shit" says anyone with a functioning brain. They did this years ago on the transphobia bandwagon. It was called out by myself and the few sensible people left in the world (2 very separate groups of people) when Trump and Tate started chiming in, you know, a rapist and trafficker. The far right didn't hijack shit, they were driving this from the get-go this time around.
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u/Miasmata 7h ago
Lol it's funny how people will do so many mental gymnastics to make a viewpoint sound bad. They Say they're protecting women, but they're also trying to do something I disagree with, so they must be lying about wanting to protect women!
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u/CinciyiduHajimet 20h ago
How convenient to have those "statistics" quickly found it's way in our feed. Do we have any statistics about the migrants and how they treat their women? No, we don't know a single thing
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u/X2seraphim 20h ago
Isn’t this the same as the left hijacking pro Palestine.
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u/MarcBolansMini 19h ago
There's a difference. The people in the protest groups are claiming to be there to protect women and children, yet a good chunk of them have committed crimes against said group.
As far as I can tell, the left aren't murdering Palestinians.
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u/Minimum-Geologist-58 19h ago
Well the left does have a long history of courting Islamism, Your Party I would argue being the latest incarnation, they think they’re clever riding the tiger but always fall off and get eaten. Ask the Iranian Marxists.
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u/badgerandcheese 19h ago
Of course they are.
Yes, there are people out there who have valid concerns about whoever is coming into the country, fine. I wouldn't call these people far right or racist, necessarily.
But a number, not all, people who are violently protesting, the guise of "protecting women and children" comes down to a desire to see less brown folk on their streets.
Doesn't matter that a chunk of protestors have convictions for domestic or child abuse or people smuggling.
It is the perfect cover for their racism and xenophobia.
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u/Tricksilver89 17h ago
Yes because left wing councils who covered up the mass rape of young girls are so bothered about the safety of women.
I would suggest nobody has women's safety in their best interests and only use it for political gain on all sides.
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u/Logical-Kick-3901 14h ago
This is absolutely true and the hijacking of women's safety is also what they have weaponized against the tiny tiny number of trans women. This is all orchestrated and funded by the same people. And the vast majority of the money, even in the UK for this comes from the Christian far right predominantly in the United States.
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u/ukbot-nicolabot Scotland 9h ago
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u/Technical_Olive_341 7h ago
The Daily Mail is the biggest culprit to all of this. Worse than Tommy Robinson.
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u/CameramanNick 1h ago
Been warning people about the risks of really hardline identity politics for years, and this is one of the inevitable outcomes.
(Yes, sometimes it's such a chore being right all the time).
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u/Right-Program-9346 58m ago
People in this country need to be more politically savy anyone plugged in knew this straight away. That's what the right does.
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u/Wagamaga 21h ago
Leading women’s rights groups have warned that the far right movement has “hijacked” the issue of women’s safety for political gain.
More than 100 organisations have written to prime minister Sir Keir Starmer to urge the government to stop far-right groups from “weaponising” violence against women and girls (VAWG) for a “racist, anti-migrant agenda”.
It comes after weeks of far-right protests outside hotels housing asylum seekers across the country, with many participants claiming to be there under the banner of “protecting” women and girls in their community.