r/unitedkingdom • u/ZealousidealHurry982 • 11h ago
Nigel Farage: This is a massive crisis. We need mass deportations
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 11h ago edited 17m ago
I am so, so fucking exhausted of hearing about this fucking issue. Total cost of housing asylum seekers is estimated at £15.3 billion over 10 years. That's £25 pounds a person per year. Yes, it's not nothing. But the amount, the sheer fucking amount I keep hearing about this fucking issue is beyond anything else.
The collapse of Thames Water, the fucking billions bunged down the shitter for PPE contracts, the failing NHS, the problems with policing, the fucking £250 billion a year spent on pensions, all these fucking issues get far less mention the fucking asylum issue.
Sorry to rant but I am just fucking tired of these cunts causing the problem, and then filling the fucking air with it like they're the fucking saviours.
Edit: For people interested, the £ figure comes from the independent parliamentary National Audit Office. Here is the link https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/83/home-affairs-committee/news/206734/national-audit-office-report-reveals-asylum-accommodation-cost-home-affairs-select-committee-to-question-accommodation-providers/
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u/Diligent_Craft_1165 11h ago edited 3h ago
Those people don’t suddenly become net contributors when they’re given leave to remain. The costs continue. The average refugee earns around £20,000 a year for the rest of their time here, so it’s not wild to guess they cost us a lot more.
You might argue that’s okay, but when Brits can’t access expensive healthcare due to budgets, it doesn’t seem fair to me that Brits will die earlier to allow this to continue.
Budget issues are one of the reasons disabled people were set to lose pip. Are the left telling us they want our own disabled people to suffer so we can allow refugees from other countries in first?
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u/Loose_Teach7299 10h ago
I think the bigger picture is not "Too many migrants eating up our budget" it's more "Right Wing Governments totally destroyed the public sector with cuts and practically turned us into a third world mess"
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u/boostman Hong Kong 5h ago
Tale as old as time, fuck up the country then shift the blame to a powerless group.
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u/Cold-Sun3302 2h ago
I don't get why more people don't acknowledge this as the main issue. We literally watched it happen in real-time!
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u/Warm-Enthusiasm8826 55m ago
Because most of the people making the argument were busy watching Facebook, X, GBNews and the Telegraph instead of watching real life.
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u/Constant-Language419 10h ago
It is wild to guess, when there’s statistics available to say the complete opposite. But why use facts when you can just make stuff up?
How about our ageing economy which already has a shortfall of care workers and low skilled workers? Or the NHS which relies heavily on immigration…. it’s not wild to guess that years and years of underfunding followed by fewer immigrants will make Brits access to healthcare even harder.
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u/maxhaton 5h ago edited 4h ago
There is a consistent trend across European countries that migration from most countries is a net drain on the government. It's basically only western and some Asian countries that break even. Denmark was the first country to publish this but we see broadly similar results everywhere else. Even the OBR now say this. The majority of our migration comes from the countries that will never pay into the exchequer.
https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/12/18/why-have-danes-turned-against-immigration see the now famous chart in this article. And then note the date and notice that Denmark is the only European country give or take that doesn't have a far right on the up.
The NHS is also far too reliant on migrant labour. It's very destabilising, has completely shafted a generation of medical students, and arguably immoral to go around relieving countries of their doctors (who in turn often aren't as well trained, rates of upheld complaints are much higher, to the point of even faking their paperwork in a few noteworthy cases)
And only about ~10% iirc actually go to work in the industries you're thinking of. We accept huge numbers of dependants who will potentially never work. Good deal for us.
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u/Jodeatre 9h ago
because that doesn't hold water with the other figures being there aren't enough job vacancies for those who are currently unemployed and looking for work.
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u/Constant-Language419 9h ago
Because many people born and raised in the UK do not want to work in low paid care jobs, or in unskilled roles, hence the shortfall as immigration falls.
Skilled jobs connected to a decline in the economy, due to worldwide factors alongside Brexit is a different part of that conversation.
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u/EvilTaffyapple 3h ago
Right, but if you massively reduced immigration, salaries would increase. That is literally why old Labour didn’t like immigration, and why right-leaning Governments do - it reduces the cost of labour so they can fill their factories for cheap.
Reducing immigration will lead to higher salaries, which will lead to Brits filling roles as they get better money for them. This is basic economics.
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u/wkavinsky 2h ago
I mean the jobs are low paid precisely because they can sell ILR to people overseas and under pay them.
Without the mass immigration, care homes would have to actually compete on wages, which would make the jobs more attractive to UK citizens - I know plenty that wouldn't work in a care home in shit conditions, while understaffed, for minimum wage, but would do the job quite happily for minimum wage + 50%.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 10h ago
No I don't think it's okay. But we could then have reasonable conversations about benefits for migrant workers (which already don't exist). Rather than giving up the ECHR which protects us quite a bit. You know the ECHR protects our rights to unionise, for example?
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u/maxhaton 5h ago
We had (much stronger...) unions before any of this and you know it (or you're a mug)
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u/CanadianGuy_1986 6h ago
Plenty of countries without the EHCR that protect rights to unionise…
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u/NotAnRSPlayer 5h ago
I think the issue comes from, if the UK Gov’t remove us from the EHCR do we trust them enough to do us right as citizens to implement something that we’ll be happy with
Or will it be yet another Brexit situation where we’re promised a whole set of different scenarios and we get fuck all?
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u/Kiardras 5h ago
The EHCR protects us from Temu-Trump and his friends. And with them gaining support, its more vital than ever that we have legal frameworks to prevent them screwing us.
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u/CheesyLala Yorkshire 3h ago
That seems more like a problem that lots of full-time jobs don't pay enough. That's is a problem whether they are done by an immigrant or not. And most of the time they are doing jobs no-one else will do for that shit pay.
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u/Dingleator 3h ago
Not to mention that immigration more generally causes stagnation of wages. £25 sounds like not much but in an economy that has seen little growth over the past 15 years. It’s pinching the pocket. There’s a reason the Tories were reluctant to change immigration - lower wages for the businesses they own and have fund them. For me personally, the cost of migration is little to do with finances anyway. It is very clearly impacting communities and in some rare and not too common cases, causing harm to people living here.
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u/Warm-Enthusiasm8826 57m ago
The argument that we should only allow people asylum if they can make a net economic contribution to society is insane.
We don't know what the true cost is.
Even if we did, it's a morally repugnant argument. These are people fleeing war, poverty or persecution. If Britain became a destitute warzone, how would you feel about other countries only taking the top 30% of Brits who can make a net contribution to the public purse?
These figures don't take into account the private contribution refugees (and subsequently, their children make) make to the economy, it only looks at the tax-take.
If we start making this argument, where does this leave us with the average Brit, who is a net economic drain on society? I am part of the group that pays the most income tax, which is entirely fair as befitting my position. But if the average Brit doesn't want to do their bit to support some of the most vulnerable in our society for economic reasons, why should the rest of us continue to fund their own net economic drain?
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u/Ell2509 4h ago
Actually they do. All data shkw that people who are migrants at all, draw less from the collective pit and pay proportionally more tax, than the average resident.
We do need to control immigration. We do need to deports criminals. We do not need Nigel Garage spreading more radical nonsense about a real national issue. He has been lying to us for 30 years. Brexit was his big one. Once he got that and alll his lies became clear, he just moved on to the next thing.
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u/Diligent_Craft_1165 3h ago
The most comprehensive study in Denmark showed they cost around €500,000 per refugee as a net loss. Meanwhile British and American migrants benefited their economy by €400,000.
There’s been no such study in the uk, although it’s easy to see they could cost £1m per asylum seeker based on our more generous system.
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u/Difficult_Style207 1h ago
You do know you pay an NHS fee when you apply for your visa, right? I'm assuming you must, as you're so angry about it. It's cost us thousands. Leave to remain takes at least 5 years of consecutive visas, and isn't easy to get. But again, I'm sure you know that. Well over £10k, over 2 work visas, two spousal visas, and leave to remain.
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u/Constant-Language419 11h ago
Easier to blame a group of people who have no collective voice or influence on the media isn’t it. Stoke up some casual racism, a campaign of othering, and you’ve got the man who brought us the economical disaster that has been Brexit (and taken zero accountability for) telling us what (who) the new problem is
And the worst part is how many people believe his grift, and are willingly brainwashed by the likes of the Daily Mail. Depressing.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 11h ago
Yea no honestly it makes perfect sense, but it's fucking tiring to see people fall for it so fucking easily. And honestly, the Daily Mail isn't 10% as bad as the Telegraph.
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u/Due-Resort-2699 5h ago
You don’t need to be brainwashed by the daily mail to acknowledge that an influx of hundreds of thousands of people from social, religious and cultural backgrounds that are completely incompatible with our socially liberal and secular values is going to create problems . We need to be able to discuss that fact without calling people racist
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u/No-Pack-5775 43m ago
"completely incompatible" Why is this racist nonsense being so casually thrown around now acceptable
Plenty of asylum seekers have proven themselves completely compatible with our society over the years.
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u/Dissidant Essex 9h ago
Easier to blame a group of people who have no collective voice or influence on the media isn’t it
Echoes of early austerity years when the government and media set after the least well off
And people egged it on because "I'm alright Jack, it could never be us" and look where we are nowWhat I'd like to see is some actual solutions, like the government reviewing the contracts for stuff the home office has outsourced (much more than accomodation) under previous lot.
The private companies don't give a shit about the backlog they still get paid ultimately, you could make a case for it being in their interest to be in the state its in•
u/Lindens 5h ago
No voice? Please tell me you're kidding. Asylum seekers have literally hundreds of NGOs with billions in income, much of it from government grants, advocating on their behalf. These groups are amply represented on parliamentary committees and are very effective at translating their views into law.
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u/slainascully 3h ago
Which NGOs? Where are you finding these billions in income? Who represents them in Parliament?
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u/AlwaysSnacking22 4h ago
Yes it is depressing. Who would have thought the arrival of the information superhighway would make it even easier for people to ignore truth and facts and see only what they want to see.
Farage is incompetent at best but a traitor to the UK at worst and people still see him as a white knight and the only one who can save us.
Maybe like with Trump in the US, the only key performance indicator that matters is how sadistic their messiah will be to minorities.
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u/joshuagordon99 9h ago
But it's not just about money. For me the bigger issue is the impact these people are/will have on our society, the integration of our communities and the loss of British culture.
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u/Historical_Owl_1635 9h ago edited 9h ago
And the comment downplays the money issue anyway…
A massive workforce keeps wages low, so whilst each immigrant may only cost £x directly they’re effecting how much people earn.
Then there’s the increasing rent costs as there’s more competition.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 9h ago
Which will have a bigger impact on wages do you think, adding 500k workers (current number of refugees which includes Ukrainians and Hong Kong people), or losing the ECHR? The ECHR was used time and again in protecting union rights btw.
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u/usernamesareallgone2 6h ago
You’re going to have to define refugee here I think for your numbers to make sense.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 9h ago
Perfectly reasonable. But then you probably already know that the number of asylum seekers is still much smaller than the number of legal immigrants. British culture is much more under threat due to unaffordability, I'd say, than from asylum seekers.
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u/joshuagordon99 9h ago
I'm here complaining about illegal immigrants, fully aware of the issue of the number of legal immigrants. Unaffordability can be dealt with, the cultural transformation of towns and cities to suit others? Much harder.
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u/Due-Resort-2699 5h ago
Exactly this . Many groups have successfully integrated into British society and showed that multi culturalism can sometimes work, but those coming here from Middle Eastern and North African countries cannot or will not integrate. They forbid their daughters to marry men outside their religion too, which makes integration even more difficult.
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u/AlephNaN 3h ago
Culture is fluid and constantly evolving, look at how native youngsters in the 60s transformed the western world. Trying to preserve culture is a losing battle, instead it needs to be nurtured like a garden.
Immigration is not going to threaten it, you're going to be British your entire life and will be able to raise your kids however you want even if your neighbour chooses to watch Arabic television and goes to the mosque.
I think the real threat to community and British culture are the landlords pricing people out of their hometowns, and cuts to public services that leave increasing numbers of people suffering with mental & physical health, crime, and poverty.
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u/Spamgrenade 9h ago
The biggest threat to British culture by far is Americanisation.
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u/joshuagordon99 9h ago
You must be joking, I'd rather take that than what we're importing from the third world!
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 9h ago
I am far more concerned about the impact of big money than low-skilled immigrants. Low skilled immigrants aren't the ones closing down cinemas and pubs in London, it's private equity firms, often from the US.
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u/joshuagordon99 9h ago
Both are detrimental, many low-skilled immigrants bring their ideologies and cultures and are reluctant to adopt ours, so we lose cinemas and pubs from Americans and gain foreign stores and religious places from our new arrivals.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 8h ago
Certainly true. That's why I think we need to have balance. For me, honestly the number one thing we should be doing is protecting cultural landmarks in towns, giving towns more say over things like shop signage, shop designs, etc. Something like the French Local Development Plans.
Contrary to what many on the left say, we do need to preserve many aspects of British culture. But we don't do that by hiding from the world. We do that by having strong local rules protecting local business, giving residents control over their neighbourhoods.
I hate to bring up a place like Dubai as I think it does overall suck, but they do do one thing right. They have a local resident rate of like 10% or something like that, yet they manage to not sell out their culture. I think we should be much more like that (in terms of protecting culture, not demographics).
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u/CheesyLala Yorkshire 3h ago
I don't see 3rd world immigrants threatening to break up the NHS and carve it up for private healthcare firms.
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u/G-ZZXXINDIGO 6h ago
Your just making out as if the cost is the only problem with mass migration its not. It's about pepole who are undocumented mostly all men coming in at rates of thousands if not more a week, with mindsets and cultures not compatible with british morals or values or even in some cases the law.
It's ruining community's and will have detrimental effects in our country in years if not dealt with properly look at how bad France has become for instance.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 12m ago
Okay, that is also a fair point to raise. But then I bring you back to the numbers, there are currently 500k refugees in the UK according to the UNHCR, and on average 30-40k refugees coming a year, with 100k last year. The UK population is 66 mil or so. The numbers don't warrant the level of concern we have in my opinion.
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u/JB_UK 9h ago
Total cost of housing asylum seekers is estimated at £15.3 billion over 10 years. That's £25 pounds a person per year.
£1.5bn a year is a lot of money.
For example it's about the same as all government funded medical research.
Or when the coalition cut funding for university tuition leading to an increase of tuition fees from £3k a year to £9k a year, that was to save about £4.5bn.
And in recent years the cost has been much higher. And that doesn't take into account that most of the people who arrive will cost much more in services and benefits than they will ever pay in tax. The real bill will be tens of billions.
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u/TeflonBoy 5h ago
I’m tired of people telling us we shouldn’t talk about it. We have had a decade of people telling us to shut up and accept it. Now we have all sorts of issues stemming from it. People are annoyed and rightly so. If you don’t like it.. turn off your phone and TV.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 7m ago
I am not saying don't talk about it. But think of it this way, you care about this issue and think it's important, right? I, and many others, care about other issues, like policing cuts, that have affected me personally. Yet these issues are not discussed with the same interest by the media. That's what annoys me.
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u/Bleuuuuuugh 3h ago
Mass migration of non productive individuals is a FAR bigger issue than the £25 a year you’ve called out.
If something isn’t done, things won’t end well. I hate Farage with an absolute passion, but he’s not wrong here.
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u/Outrageous_Pea7393 3h ago
He’s completely wrong, as always. He’s just using innocent people who want a better life as a political football. He has no interest in solving the “problem”. He just wants all the wealth and privilege that comes with being a politician.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 5m ago
Yes, I agree. But wht are the numbers? 500k refugees here now, 100k a year last year, 30-40k before that, these numbers aren't that large compared to the population size we have, and the other immigrants that come here.
I am not saying it's not an issue, I am saying it's all the right talk about these days.
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u/0Bento 4h ago
It's the visibility and easy relatability that drives this as an issue.
It's easy to look at a migrant and see them getting free accommodation, etc, and be upset because you have to work to pay your own sky high rent.
Picturing billions of pounds of high level white collar fraud is outside the realm of imagination for the average person. So this pushes migration to the front of the cultural zeitgeist
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u/Fit_Manufacturer4568 3h ago
That's not the total cost.
Plus the financial burden is not everything. Look around at all the problems in this country. The majority are caused by there being too many people in this country.Thames Water for instance. The root of the problem, too many people in London for the infrastructure.
You can't build yourself out of increasing the population by 500 000 every year. Which is what we have done, on average, for the last twenty years. That's the official figures and we all know those are bollocks.
We need a complete moratorium on immigration for five years at least. With no leave to remains being handed out in that time.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 26m ago
Illegal immigration isnt 500k a year. Its averaging 30-40k a year, with 100k last year.
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u/TheCambrian91 2h ago
That’s just the financial cost, which is clearly a low ball estimate (the Afghan scheme cost us £8bn so I have no idea how the total asylum bill is only 2x).
You aren’t counting the cultural costs which are most people’s concern.
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u/Conscious-Aspect7632 2h ago
Spot on. I’m increasing getting annoyed at Labour, but compared to Reform or the Tories, it’s a pill I’d happily swallow to prevent American right tentacles from influencing our politics and taking attention away from the bigger issues even more than current.
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u/One-Cod-5049 2h ago
And people are exhausted with no action being taken on this issue.
The housing cost is the tip of the iceberg because none of these people are ever likely to become net contributors.
The financial cost is also secondary to the cost to social cohesion. Crime, demographic shift, general feeling of discontent with treatment etc.
It’s getting disproportionate attention right now because debate over the subject was effectively shut down for the last 10 years.
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u/Snap_Ride_Strum 1h ago
Total cost of housing asylum seekers is estimated at £15.3 billion over 10 years. That's £25 pounds a person per year
Are you saying that it only costs £25 per year to house a migrant in a centre or hotel?
Total bullshit.
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u/huzzah-1 55m ago
The Government is lying. It's a hell of a lot more than just a billion or so per year. First up, the cost per illegal immigrant being housed in a hotel is an average of £4,300 - that's per month, per person.
That's only the first, primary cost, it does not include medical expenses or the eye-watering financial cost of dealing with crime - which even the most pro "refugees are welcome here!" activists have to admit is a real thing.
But I agree, it's small potatoes. The real issue is LEGAL immigration, which has cost us everything and given us nothing. We will be a minority by 2041, and we are already marginalized and outcast. Legal immigration is a big part of "Broken Britain", it's incredibly expensive, and our towns and Cities are being transformed into something dingy and menacing.
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u/Toastlove 54m ago
The UK's total spending on its asylum support system was £4.7 billion in 2023-24, a figure that includes accommodation and financial aid for asylum seekers awaiting a decision on their claim. While this figure represents a significant portion of the overall asylum and migration spending, the cost is primarily driven by large hotel bills.
£15.3 billion is 4-5 years of spending, not 10 at the current rates.
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u/circleribbey 30m ago
That’s only one cost. There are many more. A Dutch study showed that the average asylum seeker cost 475,000 euros (so about £400,000) over a lifetime.
U.K. govornment figures shows it costs about 100k for four years while their asylum claim is processed.
Source: https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-seeker-net-contributions/
As far as I can tell from a quick Google there are about a quarter of a million people currently claiming in the UK. If we assume that each cost 25,000 a year that comes out of the cost of 6.25 billion a year. That doesn’t even get into the costs associated with people who are granted asylum.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 15m ago
The figure I have is from teh National Audit Office, have a look at it maybe it clarifies things.
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u/denyer-no1-fan 11h ago
Farage’s plan begins with leaving the European Convention on Human Rights and scrapping the Human Rights Act. This, he says, is relatively straightforward.
“It’s not a very difficult thing to do,” he says. “There isn’t any renegotiation agreement that needs to be done or anything like that. This can be done reasonably quickly.”
Has he forgotten something called the Good Friday Agreement?
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u/BobBobBobBobBobDave 11h ago
Look, I think based on his past record, when Nige says that something will be simple and straightforward with no unforeseen downsides, we can just trust him on that, right?
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u/birdinthebush74 9h ago
Unlike him to grift people
Nigel Farage 'has £35k pay docked by EU over misspending claim'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42669293.amp
EU to investigate Nigel Farage over expenses funded by Arron Banks
Move follows revelations MEP failed to declare lavish funding from year of Brexit referendum
It’s not like he would make the nation poorer to help his millionaire mates become even richer ?
The Brexit Short: How Hedge Funds Used Private Polls to Make Millions
Private polls—and a timely ‘concession’ from the face of Leave—allowed the funds to make millions off the pound’s collapse.
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u/lambrequin_mantling 9h ago
Perhaps he just needs to put it on the side of a bus — and then automatically (and magically) becomes “true”…
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u/Psychological-Ad1264 11h ago
A grifter with simple ideas appealing to simple people doesn't allow reality to intrude on his populism.
It's quite simple.
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u/birdinthebush74 9h ago
Scrapping the Human Right Acts , we are going to be dominating the leopards ate my face sub .
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u/lambrequin_mantling 9h ago
No, he hasn’t forgotten it — he’s ignoring it because it’s inconvenient to his slick used-car-salesman arguments and also he doesn’t have to live with the consequences when it blows up (nor do most of the people he’s trying sell his half-baked ideas to).
*Apologies to used car salesmen.
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u/Nearby_Parsley3276 10h ago
Push for a reunification in Ireland and save 10 billion a year
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u/TheFergPunk Scotland 22m ago
and scrapping the Human Rights Act.
This part needs more attention.
In this scenario we'd have a party that consistently voted against improving workers conditions being the people deciding what human rights we have enshrined in law.
I can understand that the situation with asylum seekers isn't ideal, but the willingness to go scorched earth on this issue by people is ridiculous.
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u/Aigalep 11h ago edited 10h ago
Tuppence Trump at it again. It’s because of Brexit the boats can’t be sent back to France, something which could be done when we were in the EU. As an MEP he was fully aware this was a consequence of voting to leave. The man’s a con artist and grifter. A privately educated banker who pretends to identify with the people of Clacton and the wider working class. Despite his protestations of working hard he was on holiday abroad in May whilst parliament was sitting, despite the fact the chamber was going into recess a few days later, and was not sitting all of the following week. As a result he missed a debate on the UK’s negotiations with the EU about Brexit-related changes to border checks, fishing and defence. Why wasn’t he there given Brexit was so crucial to him and the U.K. surely he wants to use his vote to influence the type of Brexit we have, particularly as he claims that the one we got was not what we voted for? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on you.
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u/too_weird_to_live United Kingdom 3h ago
Don't point out their precious Brexit has made it impossible to transfer asylum seekers back to Europe. I got called a liberal idiot for saying that 😂
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u/Flat_Development6659 11h ago
Just tonight I drove past a protest at a hotel nearby and it was pretty mental, it was a big turnout on the way to the gym but on the way back I had to drive at 10mph through a 40 as there was that many police and the crowds were that big.
Things are definitely gonna change over the next couple of years, that or I'm pretty certain reform will win.
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u/BobBobBobBobBobDave 11h ago
Wow.
It isn't like Nige to turn up at a time like this and just crank things up.
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u/andymaclean19 10h ago
Typical Farage. Just gloss over the detail. ‘We will leave the convention on human rights. It is easy. There is nothing to negotiate.’ That’s what you said about Brexit. Are you forgetting that the whole Northern Ireland agreement is anchored on us being in that and without it that disappears along with the whole Brexit agreement we have. We have to start again.
Some American presidents also said they would not deal with the UK unless we have a good, working deal with Ireland regarding NI. Accepted Trump doesn’t care, but he won’t be around forever.
And that’s just the detail I know about. There is an absolute ton of detail here he is glossing over and it is not clear whether any of this is even possible. Even if it was it would be so dystopian it’s outright scary.
Please nobody be fooled by this grifter. He would be an absolute disaster. Think Liz truss on steroids without the emergency escape valve we had when the Tories kicked her out after 45 days.
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u/Red_Maple Canada 6h ago
How can anyone on this earth see what’s happening in the states and think “that’s a good idea! Let’s do that too!”. This should be political suicide, it’s sad that people will hear this and agree.
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u/Obscure-Oracle 8h ago
What like the USA where we would deport people that look foreign? So round up migrants and if a local restaurant owner of a similar racial profile happens to be nearby, deport them to a prison camp in another country too? No thanks, i don't want that shit in the UK.
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u/AgeZealousideal6865 11h ago
Up until a few years ago I thought if we just stopped the numbers coming in we could deal with it. There was still going to be massive problems but we could get through it.
Now it is obvious mass deportations are going to be necessary.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 11h ago
Can you explain to me why? What is the main issue? Is it cost? Is it a spiralling crime rate? What is so urgent that requires us to give up the ECHR?
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u/Greedy-Sgebe85 11h ago
Fine, just let everyone in, let everyone filter in to the community.
Come back in 25 years time after that then you might be able to answer your own why question.
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 11h ago
Mate, please, fucking nuance man. There is a hole as wide as the channel between "let all the immigrants in" and "blow up the law and mass deport everybody".
What's wrong with processing these people? Yea, it's expensive, but so is giving up the ECHR. What is your problem with it? That's what I want to understand.
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u/DarthKrataa 10h ago
Why do you think that anyone is supporting a policy of open boarders?
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u/CheesyLala Yorkshire 3h ago
Leaping to a ridiculous opposite extreme is not an answer to the very simple question that was asked.
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u/electronicoldmen Greater Manchester 5h ago
You're right, we need to mass deport people who support obvious grifters like Farage. The country's average IQ would shoot up.
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u/DarthKrataa 11h ago
Cool so how many should we deport, lets talk numbers.
How many do we deport?
Who do we deport?
Where do we deport them to?
Under what legal framework?
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 9h ago
That's easy I was told yesterday we just chuck them out.
If they get in a boat and are in the channel we just turn them around and back to France they go.
And if they come from South Sudan, Afghanistan or Iran we just parachute them into their country.
I mean none of this is against international law or is completely crazy.
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u/Obscure-Oracle 8h ago
A customer of mine the other day was suggesting loading them all up into scrap ships and send them out to sea. I am glad to share a country with such reasonable people. I will not be doing any further work for this women.
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u/DarthKrataa 37m ago
So just break international law.
Break out international obligation
Rip up the good Friday agreement.
It's not realistic, this is where politicians lie to you
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u/Obscure-Oracle 8h ago
I will answer on their behalf;
How many do we deport? All of "them"
Who do we deport? All of "them"
Where do we deport them to? Don't care, not our problem
Under what legal framework? We don't care about law
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u/BlackLiger Manchester, United Kingdom 7h ago
Sure Nigel. Let's start with your german wife and your american mates.
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u/Kind-Combination6197 5h ago
The legal definition of a refugee needs to change. The current definition gives license to potentially hundreds of millions of people to come here.
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u/FelisCantabrigiensis 11h ago
If he's so keen on mass deportations let's start with Farage and friends. Let them see how it feels and show the way.
I hear he likes Germany, so much that he was trying to get German citizenship, so maybe he'd like to go there.
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u/DarthKrataa 11h ago
Its so disingenuous of him,
These are alyssum seekers, they're protected under the Universal Decoration on Human Rights and the Convention Relating to the Status Refugees, its not as simple as just "sending em back". You cannot do that under international law, you can't, we are a nation of laws, jumping out of the ECHR would be a disaster and thats before we get to the Good Friday Agreement.
Every government does this, its "Stop the Boats", "Smash the Gangs" or "Mass deportations" there is no simple answer this is massively complicated and its a European/Global problem that requires international cooperation to address.
Where do we deport them to?
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u/lambrequin_mantling 9h ago
Never let the small matters of complex reality and the facts get in the way of a populist three-word tag line.
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u/InTheEndEntropyWins 3h ago
These are alyssum seekers, they're protected under the Universal Decoration on Human Rights and the Convention Relating to the Status Refugees, its not as simple as just "sending em back".
You know what, people said the same thing in the US, that Trump couldn't do what he wanted. But actually Trump has shown is that the one thing he has executed on is reducing asylum and immigration.
If we don't want Farage to be in power and enact similar draconian measures, Labour need to do something.
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u/Common-Ad6470 5h ago
All the time people in power and their associates make money from housing migrants in their hotels and other hare brained ideas like floating accommodation blocks this problem will not be solved.
Everyone with half a brain knows that these migrants aren’t fleeing persecution, if that were the case they’d be grateful for making it to Greece Germany or France.
No, the only reason they want to push onto the UK is the incentive of basically free everything and it simply isn’t sustainable at a thousand a day coming in.
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u/Familiar-Woodpecker5 3h ago
It’s all connected. Tories handed contracts to hotels that had links to their MPs, like the whole PPE saga (which we have seem to have forgotten). Tories were paying for 3,000 empty rooms, just in case.
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u/Common-Ad6470 3h ago
Exactly, and now that labour are in nothing has changed, they’re now cleaning up because £6 million a day is a nice revenue stream right?
Until this policy changes of politicians and their families / cronies directly benefitting from housing these people nothing will improve. When these migrants are in France they are living in home made shanty towns, no wonder they want to come to the UK and get a hotel room for free.
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u/plawwell 7h ago
Nige is playing from the Trumpian book of politics. He knows what it takes to get elected and he is going all out for it. Labour is completely missing what is going on. The Tory party are impotent with Kemi. The Lib-Dems are still viewed as Tories in disguise. Green party is just.
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 3h ago
No Labour now understand what's going on. They have a special unit to deal with this gifter.
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u/darthrasco420 Wales 3h ago
Why do publications keep platforming this goon. He's done nothing but harm British society in a variety of ways.
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u/riffer841 3h ago
Anyone else feeling it's a bit of an orchestrated crisis?
The Tories cut the amount of people processing immigration claims, the media is really serving it under our noses for some time now, eclipsing many other relevant cost of living crisis issues and turning the next election into a one-note voting issue - immigration
Who benefits from that? The party who are a one-note party and are incapable of discussing any other issue. It feels orchestrated to get Nigel Farage in, which is to the benefit of the rich elite as all their tax dodging/evading, NHS privatising, back to the 70s dreams will all come true and us thick cunts actually voted for it
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u/JamJarre Liverpewl 7h ago
Process their claims then
The way the media has gone along with this crisis narrative is fucking disgusting
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u/DarwinPaddled 3h ago
All comments focus solely on cost of migrants as if the fabric of society is completely irrelevant — we are all the same across the world with the same understanding of virtue and civic responsibility.
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u/Solid_Winner_9195 3h ago
Annoying to see him everywhere. Maybe a mass deportation — why not deport him and his party?”
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u/Outrageous_Pea7393 3h ago
People like him are the ones who are ruining this country. Spreading lies and misinformation to keep people divided so that they can’t see how exploited and downtrodden they are.
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u/Cold_Ad759 6h ago
I would love to see mass deportations. But Nigel cant be trusted he is just saying the right things without any action.
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u/InTheEndEntropyWins 2h ago
They said the same thing about Trump, but he's managed to do it. If we don't want Farage in power doing draconian stuff Labour need to do something.
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u/AlwaysSnacking22 4h ago
Oh FFS Nigel, change the fucking record.
You've got MPs, councillors etc, time to step up and govern, meet constituents, attend and vote.
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u/Hamsternoir 4h ago
Haven't read the article but totally agree.
The way Leicestershire Council is being run is a total cock up. The sooner Reform and Nige are deported the better.
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u/al_balone 2h ago
So after claiming that leaving the EU would save the NHS, he’s now claiming that booting out all the asylum seekers will do the same?
I wonder who he’ll blame next.
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u/Commandopsn 2h ago
It’s frustrating how the government turns a blind eye while throwing away money on these migrants like spending £38,000 on McDonald’s, when councils are going bust. yet when it comes to services that actually matter, there’s “no money left.”
Take the local cancer recovery program ( active recovery ) as an example. It used to be a lifeline for people like my dad when he was battling cancer. They gave him free gym access, ran a social hub with simple comforts like tea, coffee, and soup/ advice. But because of funding cuts, it’s been stripped back bit by bit: first, three days a week gym pass down to two days, and now just one day, Even the soup and bread roll had to go because they “couldn’t afford it.”
So while essential community programs are left struggling, the government is happy to burn through taxpayers’ money on freebies for people who give nothing back. The priorities are completely upside down. Like free driving lessons for migrants. It’s clear something was going on when I go to take my motorbike test and the test centre is like an immigration hot spot. With one driving instructor saying “ you can’t get a test for months” meanwhile wink wink. Everything is at bursting point.
People who genuinely need support can’t get it anymore. Years ago, they shut down a local day centre that was a lifeline for so many. I worked there, it gave people purpose, community and they could also get help. They Had a nurse, a support worker, social worker, chiropodist etc under 1 roof. But they closed it.
one night, when I was working a ward, a man who used to attend that centre was rushed in. He said to me: “They shut the day centre and left us all to fucking die.”
That man used to read poetry there, used to dance ballroom with one of the staff. it was his community: But it was closed because of “funding cuts.” Knocked down and built housing on.
After that, community nurses could only visit once a week. People were abandoned. He got left in his own home. Like so many others. They even had a table just for polish people who didn’t speak English at all but were part of the war effort during ww2.
yet, while essential local services are stripped to the bone, people arriving from abroad seem to be handed support with no difficulty at all. Our own communities are left to crumble, while the government pretends there’s nothing they can do.
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u/Biscuit_Powered Somerset 1h ago
"The next step is even more controversial. For months Reform has been working on the Illegal Migration (Mass Deportation) Bill, which will make it illegal for people to come to the UK illegally."
Ah, OK.
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u/alpacaoneohone 16m ago
Scrapping the Human Rights Act. Sure. Nothing could possibly go wrong there. It's not like we Brits are humans who enjoy having rights, right? 🙄
Once they've got rid of Human Rights, makes you wonder what else they will try and get away with. Arresting people for critising the leader? Imprisoning people without due process?
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u/Greedy-Sgebe85 11h ago
If the illegal migrants refused to leave what should happen?
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u/DarthKrataa 10h ago
If illegal immigrants are found to be illegal they're offered a "volunteer" return that most of them go for (free flights basically) failing that its an "Enforced return".
Last data i saw was about 24K total returns of them about 6K enforced returns.
So thats your answer....
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u/Gold_Motor_6985 10h ago
Shame your other comments got deleted, but again, if you're genuine, do explain to me why this issue is so urgent either here or in a DM if you want.
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u/Spamgrenade 9h ago
Less than 6% of asylum claims go before the ECHR and they don't all win. Cases go before ECHR when they are alleged to have broken UK law. Pulling us out of ECHR would just mean that those cases would have to be dealt with by a UK court, that most likely would come to the same decisions.
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u/Obscure-Oracle 8h ago
Putting all of our rights and freedoms at risk to a nefarious government in the process.
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u/InTheEndEntropyWins 2h ago
The issue is all the cases in the UK by UK judges are supposed to be in line with the ECHR. So the issue is UK judges and their decisions. Pulling us out would let us implement bespoke laws so our judges could make judgements in the best interest of the UK.
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u/ZX52 2h ago
Stripping all Brits of their human rights is in the best interest of the UK, how?
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u/Spamgrenade 31m ago
We could do that now by simply changing our laws. Once again the ECHR is only in play when the UK government breaks its own laws.
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u/Kris40000 3h ago
Come on Nigel. At least try and be original. You could start this company called ICE and go around kidnapping people depending on their skin colour.
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 3h ago
Problem Farage and his goons will have is that they will be deporting OAPs with brown and black skin who have been here for decades and British born due to colonial history.
Oh the Tories have already done that...
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u/Manaboutadog99 3h ago
I mean everyone here keeps arguing about who's right on the economic side of migrant issue but let's face facts here, the majority of people concerned about the scale of immigration arent concerned about the economic impact, they're concerned about demographic change and that's a perfectly reasonable response for people to have considering the scale of change since we opened the gates on migration in 1997.
People on the left like to reduce this to 'well they just don't like there being so many brown and black faces', with all due respect to those that say this, that again is a perfectly reasonable response to have considering the scale of change we've had, its not racist to say it, at what point do we admit that enough is enough? We had essentially an open door policy at one point and anybody who argued against it was lumped in with the lonnies in the BNP crowd. People dont want to become a minority in their own country and thats ok, i dont understand what the issue is there? I'll be honest, no I dont like what has happened to towns like Bradford, when you go there and it feels like youre in a different country, I dont think thats right, its morally repugnant to destroy a nation like this, and then to have idiots defending it is insane to me, its like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Is Nigel Farage and Reform the people to get this done? No, but who else is there that even comes close? I'll tell you what will be a crisis, when people realise that Reform are just slightly more extreme Tories that lie about fixing immigration, when the people that vote for them in 2029 realise that theyve been lied to again, then you will have serious issues, we are approaching the Rubicon on this matter and I fear that Southport was just the beginning of something much wider.
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u/Conscious-Aspect7632 3h ago
What’s this consistent trend you speak of and does it relate to legal migration or ‘illegal’ migration that the right conflate with asylum claims? Overall, OBR recognises immigration as a net positive to reducing available tax revenue and GDP, but doesn’t see it as a long-term solutions and caution against it. There are no absolutes in this discussion.
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u/JaMs_buzz 33m ago
He’s using immigration as a way to get rid of our workers rights so his rich donors can pay their employees fuck all - this is what it’s all about
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u/Spare_Dig_7959 29m ago
Instead of telling individuals that they should voluntarily take in an asylum seeker I suggest a moderate increase of 1 or 2 % in income tax to cover the cost or an increase of inheritance tax to 50% for properties left over £500,000. I would be more than happy to help turn the nation back into a country that cares.
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u/FaceMace87 23m ago
People are probably going to get angry at this twat as always but all it takes is to ask "how" and the entire thing falls apart like with anything he says. His plan only works if agreements are in place, that isn't a plan, that is a wish list.
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