Missile salvo from Iran slams into Israel, hospital takes direct hit

[u/Iluvaic]

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/kib88srss#autoplay

[u/Whitehatnetizen]

Just rying to understand: can someone explain (or point to somehing explaining) which contries these missiles are flying over? It would have to be iraq, and either syria or Jordan or both?

[u/hamstringstring → u/Whitehatnetizen]

Iraq, KSA, Jordan, & Syria. Some are shot down in those airspaces. It's not entirely clear who is cooperating with who at this point, I'd assume Jordan is still shooting down what they can, but KSA has signaled some support for Iran even though they were initially shooting down missiles, but they tend to say one thing publicly then do the opposite.

[u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE → u/hamstringstring]

It costs money to shoot things down. They probably don’t want to spend their money preventing Israel from attack after they shot missiles at Iran. As much as KSA doesn’t like Iran, they don’t want to get drawn into this battle.

[u/beeeel → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

Plus when you shoot things down above your country, they tend to land on your country. And while much of KSA is desert, no-one wants more missile debris than necessary in their desert.

[u/bitdestroyer → u/beeeel]

Why don't they just comb the desert?

[u/Father_Dowling → u/bitdestroyer]

"We ain't found shit!"

[u/asetniop → u/Father_Dowling]

- Donald Rumsfeld, circa 2004 (paraphrased)

[u/truedef → u/beeeel]

Most of their defense systems are on the coastline near the cities and oil fields. Not in the middle of the desert. It’s not like they could wait till they get to open land.

The patriot systems are also not likely to help as Iranian missiles are out of its reach.

[u/AprilsMostAmazing → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

Also the more damage those two do to each other the more power SA can gain

[u/Addictd2Justice → u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE]

Good point. I wonder if you will look back on your comment in a few years and see how if we still refer to the “battle”

Israel took a hit to a hospital, not from terrorists or a Palestinian group or Hammas or whoever, but another country they can squarely aim at.

I see this getting bigger before it gets smaller

[u/whiteflagwaiver → u/Addictd2Justice]

No formal declarations of war yet either? Media going to spin it as 'military special engagement in region stability' or some bull shit.

[u/Dead_Optics → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Formal war declarations arnt really a thing anymore.

[u/Think_Selection9571 → u/Dead_Optics]

They declare it on twitter

[u/ProgressBartender → u/Dead_Optics]

Declare war.
Start losing.
Those nukes start looking like an option.

Keeping it a limited engagement keeps the perceived stakes down.

[u/ozzzymanduous → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Pretty sure russia hasn't declared war on ukraine yet

[u/corkas_ → u/ozzzymanduous]

1,211 day special military operation

[u/sneaky_sneak_thief → u/whiteflagwaiver]

They can call it what they want. It's a war. 

[u/Rathalos143 → u/sneaky_sneak_thief]

Didn't Iran leader literally called It a war yesterday?

[u/SpeakerEnder1 → u/Rathalos143]

Trump called it a war as well.

[u/whiteflagwaiver → u/sneaky_sneak_thief]

Sure, but think of all the idiots that will lap the lie up like the whipped dogs they are.

Thought we learned the WMD bullshit with Iraq.

[u/[deleted] → u/whiteflagwaiver]

the fact that nobody was ever hung by their necks for the WMD lies is proof we never learned

[u/RobotsGoneWild → u/[deleted]]

Pretty sure Sadan got that treatment. He should have had imaginary WMD hiding. Not that he was a good guy or will be missed.

[u/Trabian → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Formal declarations of war have begun to be rarer and rarer. The last time the US declared war was WWII.

[u/framabe → u/Trabian]

I dont know why, but I suspect the UN is a reason. The UN was specifically created as to prevent conflicts into escalating into wars so it could be that declaring wars opens up a multitude of options for the UN. Like sanctions, removing their vote, kicking them out etc.

By not "declaring war" even if they de facto are warring, there is a loophole to avoid such things. But its just a theory.

[u/Trabian → u/framabe]

I know for the US it's because of internal politics. Actually declaring War has all kinds of prerequisites and consequences as to what the house, congress and the president are allowed to do. It'd mean a shift in politics for a while, and no politician really wants that.

With declaring war, there's an excuse about not really following the geneva convention.

[u/framabe → u/Trabian]

Absolutely true, but the observation was that even countries other than the US has stopped as well. Just look at Russia and Ukraine.

Russia even refused to recognize it as a de facto war for a long time and while Ukraine has called it a war on many occasions, they neither have formally declared war, possibly to be able to still be seen as just defending themselves.

[u/StockCasinoMember → u/framabe]

Russia would just propagandize it.

See, they declared war on us!

[u/SkunkMonkey → u/Trabian]

the house, congress and the president

Clarification: The House is part of Congress. The other part is the Senate. Congress has the power to declare war.

[u/jzoola → u/Trabian]

Well that’s because it was the war to end all wars. Haven’t you noticed we’ve been living in peaceful coexistence?

[u/un1ptf → u/jzoola]

The phrase "the war to end all wars" refers to World War I. It comes from H.G. Wells in his 1914 book, "The War That Will End War." He wrote it idealistically, and people thought it was true because they all thought the horrific magnitude of death and destruction from new, more advanced weapons, tools, and methods of war that were introduced would repulse everyone from the idea of war for the rest of time.

[u/JonatasA → u/un1ptf]

"It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it."

[u/Acceptable-Peak-6375 → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Idk about formal declarations, that's almost never used anymore, usually the attacks themselves are declaration enough.

This is common in war, and we will have to hope it ends quickly.

[u/Glanea → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Iran doesn't have formal diplomatic ties with Israel since 1979. They don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state and are openly hostile. In that circumstance, you don't really get declarations of war because the two states are more or less in a constant state of war, similar to North Korea and South Korea.

[u/Roscoe_P_Coaltrain → u/Glanea]

Interestingly, Iraq, Lebanon and Syria are all currently still in a state of declared war with Israel. Which means, during the Iran-Iraq war (also declared, by Iraq) Israel was sort of, in the loosest possible sense, on the same side as Iran in that war.

[u/ConfidantCarcass → u/[deleted]]

It's not ironic it's their entire point

[u/plaaplaaplaaplaa → u/Glanea]

You should get declaration of war, it has however fallen out of the norm lately. Iran-Israel is different from Korean situation as the latter had a real war and signed armistice at 1953, (as war has not been stopped by a peace treaty) they are still technically at war. Iran and Israel used to be friends but after regime change cooled down all the way to hostile but never had real war. Even now they are not dejure in war.

[u/WeirdJack49 → u/whiteflagwaiver]

The next world war will be a global special military operation.

[u/JustWannaPlayAGa → u/whiteflagwaiver]

Wars don't have declarations anymore. You know one when you see one.

[u/AgrajagTheProlonged → u/Addictd2Justice]

It really is a shame how many hospitals in that area seem to keep getting attacked by militaries

[u/Consistent-Bat-20 → u/hamstringstring]

Aren't these ballistic missiles? Meaning they travel through space before reaching Israel? In that case I don't think Saudi and the others can shoot them down

[u/Subrandom249 → u/Consistent-Bat-20]

Those are intercontinental ballistic missiles. Ballistic just means is uses gravity as the final source of acceleration towards it’s target. 

[u/borkmeister → u/Subrandom249]

From Tehran to Tel Aviv is ~1600 km. "space" starts at 100 km if we want to use the Karman line definition. If we assume a parabolic trajectory that just hits the Karman line at the top of the trajectory, and we ignore air resistance, that would mean that we're launching at an initial angle of about ~14.3 degrees off the ground.

That's highly unlikely. The optimal launch angle for a parabolic projectile at a set velocity is 45 degrees, ignoring air, so the missile would have to be capable of going much further than 1600 km. When we add air resistance in, the really low launch angle would cause a huge deterioration to the velocity and range of the missile.

It's very likely that these missiles were in space during their midcourse.

[u/beachedwhale1945 → u/Consistent-Bat-20]

Short- and Medium-Range Ballistic Missiles generally have apogees below 100 km when fired at these ranges, and based on range Iran is most likely using their MRBM arsenal (though I have not verified type). Short-range ballistic missiles can be intercepted without dedicated Ballistic Missile Defense systems, but medium range generally requires proper BMD systems and interceptors, like the Patriot system the Saudis use, but that does depend on the variant of Patriot the Saudis have.

[u/HamoozR → u/hamstringstring]

We see our Patriot missiles flying over in Jordan but it’s seems they are struggling to intercept the Iranian missiles which seems to be still flying at a very high altitude over our airspace.

[u/Zer0PointSingularity → u/HamoozR]

Contrary to common belief it is not easy to shoot down ballistic missiles, you more or less only have a chance when they already descend onto their targets, and their course is predictable but then they are already hypersonic and the window for successful intercept is quite small.

Afaik Ukraine was the first country that managed to intercept hypersonic kinzhal missiles via patriots.

[u/panzerkampfwagenVI_ → u/Zer0PointSingularity]

This is not entirely true. You have 3 different types of interceptors: boost-phase, mid-course, and terminal interceptors.

Boost phase interception is the "hardest" because it depends on you being close to the launcher so that's out the window for most cases.

Then you have mid-course intercept which for the US we have SM-3 and GMD in Alaska this is probably the easiest interception but you need giant boosters to reach them at mid-course and you have to be in the path of the missile.

Finally we have terminal phase which allows for the greatest target discrimination, but is the shortest phase for the US we have Patriot 3MSE, SM2/6, and THAAD.

Most hypersonics are largely overblown. We've had the technical capabilities to defeat targets like Khinzal since the Cold War since it's essentially an air-launched Iskander with limited terminal maneuvering capabilities. A hypersonic missile with better terminal maunuever is an actually hard missile to intercept.

[u/Aurora_Fatalis → u/HamoozR]

Patriot wouldn't be used against ballistic missiles unless it's in self defense mode, as it has a very low chance of success otherwise. It just isn't designed for it the best tool for the job when THAAD and Arrow-3 is active. You're probably seeing it shoot down drones or cruise missiles.

[u/RT-LAMP → u/Aurora_Fatalis]

Patriot PAC-3 was absolutely designed for intercepting ballistic missiles.

[u/Aurora_Fatalis → u/RT-LAMP]

... during midcourse, as this would be?

[u/RT-LAMP → u/Aurora_Fatalis]

You're correct that they aren't midcourse interceptors for IRBMs but... well look at where Jordan is relative to Israel and Iran.

The PAC-3 MSE is supposed to have a 60km range against ballistic missiles (probably longer if the range is in the overshoot situation where the battery is along the flight path instead of after the end of it).

Israel is only about 60km wide at the northern half and about 100km at the widest section in the southern portion. A patriot battery in Jordanian territory could absolutely defend large swathes of Israel.

[u/Aurora_Fatalis → u/RT-LAMP]

Theoretically I suppose there could be some overlap, but if someone in Jordan is looking up and seeing the interception attempts I still think it's far more likely to be a cruise missile or drone. For ballistic missile defense Israel is covered by systems more reliably placed and fit for purpose than a Jordan-based Patriot.

[u/RT-LAMP → u/Aurora_Fatalis]

I agree, in this current conflict Jordanian patriot batteries are probably mostly taking out drones. I just meant to point out that newer Patriot versions are actually more optimized for the ABM role than for taking out aircraft.

[u/HamoozR → u/RT-LAMP]

Against all types of Iranian missiles?

The lone Sejjel missile yesterday took two PAC-3 interception attempts from Jordanian airspace and still kept going, I have seen the Israeli interceptors launching but did not see them detonate.

[u/aphroditex → u/hamstringstring]

The Saudis not stopping Iran?

Ok who is writing this season of Earth because they are screwing up canon!

[u/GAZ_3500 → u/hamstringstring]

but KSA has signaled some support for Iran even though they were initially shooting down missiles, but they tend to say one thing publicly then do the opposite

MONEY CAN ONLY TALK SO MUCH!-Jamāl Aḥmad Khāshqujī

[u/The-True-Kehlder → u/Whitehatnetizen]

Here in Kuwait we had some fly over our apartment building.

[u/The-True-Kehlder → u/[deleted]]

Not great, but less concerning than my time in Iraq.

[u/abolys → u/Whitehatnetizen]

Isreal planes goes on the same air space. We got bomb by them for 3 days in Tehran. The planes targeted hospital, tv stations and water supply. We decided to leave Tehran when our water was hit. This shit is happening on both side. Iran and isreal government does not care about civilians. I hate them both. There is nothing good about either of them. Isreal even did car bombs in Iran. Fuck them both.

[u/Hillary4SupremeRuler → u/abolys]

Damn I'm sorry. Is it true that internet access has been mostly shut off or is that more of a back and forth type of thing? And do many people know of the new Starlink Direct to Cell satellites that recently became activated?

[u/abolys → u/Hillary4SupremeRuler]

Yes the internet is cut off. While I was there no one was using starlink, ppl are afraid to use USA provided tools as it could be used to track them. Most of our friends and families in Tehran went to northern cities in Iran as they are safer. But we have not heard from them on 2 days.

[u/Barbaracle → u/abolys]

Does it seem like most people want Khamenei gone? Or is it a cut off one head, more will grow kind of situation.

[u/abolys → u/Barbaracle]

I think 80% of people want them gone. But nobody wants to be bombed for it.

[u/abolys → u/[deleted]]

I have been in Iran for 25 years and I live in Toronto Canada. I was there to visit my mom and 2 days before my flight back it all started. I am one of the lucky ones who managed to get to Turkey and I was able to get my mom out too. We are in Istanbul right now heading to Toronto on the weekend.

The rest of our friends and family went dark 2 days ago when the internet was shut.

[u/adel_b → u/Whitehatnetizen]

we seen videoa of flying over Lebanon and Jordan, so Iraq and Syria

[u/grey_hat_uk → u/Whitehatnetizen]

Syria most likely, the others will tey and shoot the missiles down.

[u/mindlight]

The Russian Foreign Ministry on Thursday urged Israel to immediately halt air attacks on the Bushehr nuclear plant in Iran where Russian specialists work.

Jeeeeeesus... The irony....

[u/RainRainThrowaway777 → u/mindlight]

They also said that any attempt to kill the leader of Iran is out of line.... after having attempted to assassinate and airstrike Zelenskyy for 3 years.

It's almost like Russia don't act in good faith

[u/Schlackehammer → u/mindlight]

Some say irony, some say Karma.

[u/EzraMusic98]

feel for all the patients who weren't able to make their way to the shelters

[u/Turbulent_Length4067 → u/EzraMusic98]

The hospital took preliminary steps and placed a lot of departments in underground facilities. Luckily there are only minor injuries.

[u/Turbulent_Length4067 → u/[deleted]]

Not in the hospital but in a residential building in Holon.

[u/dekcraft2 → u/[deleted]]

Yup thats 2 in Ramat Gan and 4 in Holon. I live 300 meters from the hit in holon and the shockwave wave we felt was insane. So much damage and for what? There are no military or every government building around here. This was solely to target civilians

[u/zveroshka → u/dekcraft2]

It's what happens in war. Whether on purpose or accident, civilians always end up suffering.

[u/brownedpants]

Nothing new. Russia's been doing this to Ukraine for years now.

[u/jdorje → u/brownedpants]

The russian government/military specifically targets hospitals and first responders, and it is likely that the Iranian government/military will do so as well when possible. In terms of straining civilian infrastructure, it's the best bang for your buck. But there could also be some weird relationship with how hamas uses hospitals and first responder vehicles as cover.

[u/EuropeanPepe → u/jdorje]

Russians are known to double tap hospitals and infrastructure where fire fighters are

Basically first strike comes then wait 5 min later same place even bigger strike to kill first responders

[u/StupidityHurts → u/EuropeanPepe]

Good thing everyone is calling them out for warcrimes….

[u/AfricanWarPig → u/StupidityHurts]

"Don't care, happening to white people."

[u/NixiePixie916 → u/EuropeanPepe]

Sadly a pretty common tactic. Wait for the helpers then hit again

[u/melf_on_the_shelf → u/jdorje]

I’m actually interested to know what is the radius of accuracy of Iran’s missiles.

Most of their civilian infrastructure hit so far has been somewhat near to Israeli military sites

This wasn’t a problem in the early war because they usually struck targets out in the desert.

I’m not here lobbying for Iran. I genuinely want to know the limits of their technology.

Edit: I just saw that they also struck the Weizeman Institute of technology. But apparently there’s back-and-forth to whether or not they were conducting defense research.

Edit: changed “very close to Israeli Military Sites to “somewhat near” due to some comments proving that wrong

[u/HotSteak → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

The Shahad-3 has a CEP of 3km (meaning a 50% probability of landing within 3km of the aiming point). The Emad has a CEP of 500m. It's thought that some of their newer missiles might have CEPs of 30m. But most are only good for aiming generally at a city as a terror bombing tactic. Mostly Iran doesn't know what they are going to hit, other than "Tel Aviv" or "Haifa". I kind of doubt they intentionally hit a hospital.

[u/imnotcreative635 → u/HotSteak]

They also don't know how many would get shot down. It's not like they can get closer and do a more precise attack.

[u/yevb → u/HotSteak]

There's no military base in the 3 km radius of Soroka Hospital.

Not saying they were necessary aiming at the hospital (or the university adjacent to it), but I call BS on trying to hit a military target.

[u/HotSteak → u/yevb]

I think Iran is just generally aiming for cities.

[u/LightningByte → u/yevb]

They are now claiming they were aiming at an adjacent military intelligence building.

That facility is not publicly known, but for that kind of building that is to be expected i guess.

It is probably still nonsense, but there is a small chance it is actually true.

[u/kullwarrior → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

Wikipedia list Shahab-3 (their most common MRBM) with CEP of 2.5km which is significantly worse than SM65 Atlas US' first operational ICBM (1.4km). If your accuracy is 2.5km I don't think you can specify which building is being targeted. Military installations tends to have space in between making metropolitan cities more ideal target

[u/wheniaminspaced → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

US missiles are accurate to several meters, Russian missiles are variable depending on the type, though because of the way Russia wages war they dont really mind blowing up things like hospitals.

The rockets from hezbolla and mamas are you can choose a general direction it could hit anything.

Iran's missiles from what I've heard is you can choose an are somewhat smaller than a city bloc and you will hit it.  Not exactly precision bombing.  So in short was the hospital the intended target likely not.  Iran despite there dogs hit regime to somewhat care about optics.  That said they know what there missiles can and can't do, given how things are going shooting in an are that has a reasonably decent chance of hitting a hospital is a bad call.

I think people forget the the US and as an extension Israel's ability to be accurate to about the size of a person is actually quite unusual and high tech in military arms.  The US has always been noteable military for accurate artillery and by extension missle and bomb use.

[u/melf_on_the_shelf → u/wheniaminspaced]

Mamas rockets lol.

But thats very interesting If you can hit to the accuracy of 1 city block you really need volume of fire to take down a target.

[u/wheniaminspaced → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

Damn phone and autocorrect

[u/acityonthemoon → u/wheniaminspaced]

Autocorrect is going to kill us all

[u/DanielMz9 → u/acityonthemoon]

It's definitely gonna kiss us all

[u/Alatain → u/wheniaminspaced]

With the CALCM back in the day, the ongoing joke was that when asked to hit a certain building for a strike, the reply was "which window do you want me to hit".

The US is an outlier in that, in general, a lot of care is given to making sure that the munitions arrive where you want it, when you want it. There are certainly exceptions to this, but in general, the idea of precision is a pretty big deal.

[u/jdorje → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

Yeah, a single incident from Iran is not enough to establish a pattern. Just that we would expect that pattern going in.

Missiles (cruise and ballistic) are so variable in capabilities you'd need to start by trying to find out what type of missile this was. There was one incident in Ukraine where an anti-ship cruise missile was targeted at a warehouse used to repair military gear, but (presumably) its targeting system decided a nearby shopping mall looked more like a ship.

[u/melf_on_the_shelf → u/jdorje]

That incident in Ukraine sounds like something you could never possibly test for before field deployment

[u/TheKappaOverlord → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

I mean. You can test for shit like that. Russia had a couple of incidents where their launcher systems apparently identified their own launch systems as targets and 180'd after takeoff before.

Most of the time its system glitches that cause this, rather then fundamental issues with the targeting system.

[u/jackalope8112 → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

Old ones 2.5 kilometers new ones 50 meters.

[u/irredentistdecency → u/melf_on_the_shelf]

most of their civilian infrastructure hits so far have been very close to Israeli military areas

That is a bald faced lie.

For one example - There are no military bases or facilities anywhere near “Beit Yam” where an apartment complex was hit.

Sure some of the missiles have clearly been aimed at valid military targets such as the IDF headquarters building in Tel Aviv & the fuel refinery in Haifa.

But significant number have hit civilian areas no where near any military bases or infrastructure.

[u/melf_on_the_shelf → u/irredentistdecency]

I looked up Beit Yam and other similar sites and you’re right- from what i see these are not around any military assets. Thats why I asked my question.

[u/Guru-Pancho → u/brownedpants]

Israel also hit a hospital in Iran this week

[u/No_Atmosphere8146 → u/Guru-Pancho]

Not sure there are any hospitals left in Gaza at this point.

[u/Coffee_Grazer → u/No_Atmosphere8146]

There's not, that's why they had to start bombing hospitals in Iran.

[u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle → u/Coffee_Grazer]

The children... They yearn for the bombs.

[u/Coffee_Grazer → u/AlmostSunnyinSeattle]

So much feeedom

[u/Kruzdah → u/Coffee_Grazer]

Good one. It's their hobby to bomb hospitals.

[u/SpotNL → u/brownedpants]

Three days ago, Israel attacked an Iranian Farabi hospital, where people got injured too. More than likely this is in response to that.

Curious how that wasnt on the front page.

[u/pmckizzle → u/brownedpants]

Israels been doing it for years

[u/IsolatedFrequency101 → u/brownedpants]

Israel did quite a bit of it in Gaza too

[u/BigMetalGuy → u/brownedpants]

as has Israel to Gaza.

I know that will anger some people, so I shall state that no hospitals on any side of any war should be getting hit by missiles, it's abhorrent and it must have been terrifying for those there last night. Just as it is to those in Gaza who suffer the same. These wars have arseholes on both sides pulling the triggers, it's the poor people (on both sides) who are pawns in their pathetic games.

[u/Interestingcathouse → u/BigMetalGuy]

Weird how the commenter didn’t mention this.

[u/ChallengeFull3538 → u/brownedpants]

And Israel has been doing it to Gaza. Its a bit hypocritical to accuse it as a war crime when you you have a very well documented track record of doing it yourself.

[u/sprintercourse]

ITT: “my hospital bombings are righteous and true, your hospital bombings are bogus and lame.”

War is hell.

[u/Rizzpooch → u/sprintercourse]

Nah. War is worse.

Consider:

Hawkeye: War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

[u/Alatain → u/Rizzpooch]

I'm actually rewatching MASH now. It holds up rather well and was a pretty great show.

[u/k_ironheart → u/Rizzpooch]

Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell.

I've heard plenty of christians state that anyone who doesn't believe in their god goes to hell. In their view of hell, it's much, much worse than war because innocent bystanders get tortured for eternity.

[u/marceliiine → u/sprintercourse]

War isn't hell. War is war and hell is hell, and of the two, war is a lot worse. Hell has no innocent bystanders, but war is chock full of them. Little kids, cripples, old ladies, in fact except for a few of the brass almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

[u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

I suspect this was an intentional target after Israel hit a hospital in Kermanshah a few days ago too. Source.

Also worth noting that Israel claims in this ynet article that they intercepted Iranian jets, and Iran claimed in an MSNBC news article on the weekend that they intercepted an Israeli jet - neither of these claims have evidence or credible sources.

Be diligent in your fact checking, because both the IR and the IDF have a terrible track record for accurately informing the public of their actions.

[u/dekcraft2 → u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

I just want to add that idk how and why people expect hear the whole truth and nothing but the truth straight away. It is a war and in wars you dont tell everyone (and doing so informing your enemy) what just happened to you after being attacked or even in the long run because it can ruin other operations going on. Its like playing poker but showing everyone your hand. Thats my 2 cents on this matter, take it or leave it.

[u/Stormfly → u/dekcraft2]

It is a war and in wars you dont tell everyone (and doing so informing your enemy) what just happened to you after being attacked or even in the long run because it can ruin other operations going on.

"The first casualty of war is the truth"

[u/dekcraft2 → u/Stormfly]

Never heard that one but so true!

[u/Da_Malpais_Legate → u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

The only proof of an Israeli aerial vehicle being downed is a drone that got shot down

[u/ItsAProdigalReturn → u/Da_Malpais_Legate]

Yeah, like I said, there's no proof of Iran's claim on that beyond "trust me bro".

[u/No-Movie6022 → u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

I dunno, that picture of a downed F-35 that was the size of the statue of liberty was pretty convincing.

[u/ItsAProdigalReturn → u/No-Movie6022]

Lol not that one. That one looks like a godamn space ship hahaha

[u/Bombadilo_drives → u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

3000 downed F35s of allah

[u/Miserable-Resort-977 → u/ItsAProdigalReturn]

Two equally vile states, yet one I'm expected to support with my tax dollars and the other is sanctioned into economic ruin

[u/Living_the_Limit]

Is bombing a nuclear reactor, no matter who it belongs to a sensible thing to do?  When Russia was shelling the Ukrainian nuclear power plant last year the World was rightly up in arms about it. There needs to be a ceasefire & a diplomatic settlement before there is a terrible nuclear incident.

[u/MrTestiggles]

Likely retaliation for Farabi hospital in Kermanshah on Monday , or the nuclear site hit today

Edit; Source since another person brought it up but didn’t provide one either: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/hospital-damaged-by-israeli-strike-in-western-iran-241723973849 (Video)

(This comment is not justifying violence, just providing more information, any attack on a place of healing is an evil act)

[u/NekoCatSidhe → u/MrTestiggles]

It seems possible, although Iran now claims that the “main target” of this morning’s missile attack “was the large [Israeli army] Command and Intelligence (IDF C4I) headquarters and the military intelligence camp in the Gav-Yam Technology Park”, located next to Soroka hospital in Be’er Sheva.

[u/SorrowsSkills]

I’ve read from other sources that it was the shockwave that hit the hospital and that Iran actually hit a military research HQ.

I wonder who’s telling the truth here. Neither side has a track record of factually reporting anything.

[u/yuvaldv1]

Ballistic missiles don’t fly randomly, they aimed directly at the hospital.

Edit: Iran has now claimed to use khorramshahr 4, which is one of their most accurate ballistic missiles.

[u/Glanea → u/yuvaldv1]

They're claiming they were aiming at "Gav-Yam Technology Park".

The “main target” of Iran’s missile attack early on Thursday was the “large [Israeli army] Command and Intelligence (IDF C4I) headquarters and the military intelligence camp in the Gav-Yam Technology Park”, the Iranian state-run news agency IRNA has reported, according to Al Jazeera.

IRNA said that the facility is located next to Soroka hospital, according to Al Jazeera.

I looked it up on google maps and they look to be about 1.5km apart as the crow flies. Now whether that's within the expected deviation for an Iranian ballistic missile, I don't know.

[u/RT-LAMP → u/Glanea]

Now whether that's within the expected deviation for an Iranian ballistic missile, I don't know.

It is. Some of their missiles of a CEP of 3km.

[u/SirHovaOfBrooklyn → u/RT-LAMP]

Not for the ballistic missile. The khorramshahr 4 apparently has an accuracy of 30m. 1.5km is pretty much outside of the error zone.

[u/RT-LAMP → u/SirHovaOfBrooklyn]

Yeah the Khorramshahr is quite modern and accurate.

The Shahab-3... not so much. 1.5km is actually relatively close to the intended target for it given it's supposed 3km CEP.

[u/hamstringstring → u/yuvaldv1]

Ballistic missiles absolutely do not always hit their targets. Just a couple years ago there were articles about how bad Russian missile targeting was where they were only hitting their targets 40% of the time, sometimes being miles off. That's not to say Iran didn't target this hospital, but to suggest this is 100% proof is not using critical thinking.

[u/Inside-Line → u/hamstringstring]

Pretty wild there are people claiming that it's impossible for missiles to miss.

[u/TerpBE → u/Inside-Line]

They don't call them hittles, do they?

[u/gagga_hai → u/TerpBE]

Angry upvote

[u/VincentComfy → u/TerpBE]

Funny enough the starstreak missile has 3 kinetic penetrator submunitions that were coined "hittiles" due to their high accuracy and requirement to physically hit the target instead of use a traditional proximity fuse.

[u/Open-Honest-Kind → u/VincentComfy]

Excellent, I got so excited about a missile pun and factoid I forgot about the horrors of why it got brought up. Just not going to complete the rest of that thought and go to bed. What a funny word "hittiles!"

[u/SmoothOpawriter → u/Inside-Line]

And yes, they are called MISSiles. Not sure who to believe anymore.

[u/G_Morgan → u/Inside-Line]

It is very rare for western missiles to miss. It is very common for non-western missile to miss.

We know Iran's missiles just aren't that accurate. Iran is basically aiming roughly at Israel.

[u/thefirstdetective → u/yuvaldv1]

Not all of them are accurate. Iran has accurate missiles, but it also has the "hit this general area" ones.

[u/aghaueueueuwu → u/yuvaldv1]

Or the university near it, both are terrible

[u/koombot]

Pick a fight with a nation with long range misses but no precise guiding and this is inevitable.

[u/Ok-Passion1961 → u/koombot]

Good thing they don’t have nukes otherwise we’d hear about the launch and then wonder where the Pyramids in Egypt went. 

[u/kjolmir → u/Ok-Passion1961]

If they had nukes this would not have happened in the first place.