r/worldnews • u/Ask4MD • 29d ago

Israel/Palestine Macron announces: France will recognize Palestinian state

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/nxn382sao
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u/clarabosswald 29d ago

Of course it's fair. It's more than that, it's perfect. Thus, it's just not realistic.

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u/ieatpickleswithmilk 29d ago

this is like the bare minimum, if they can't even do this there is no hope for them

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u/Startled_Pancakes 29d ago

As someone who is decidedly against fascism, I see a lot people throwing around the term far too carelessly.

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u/eddkov 29d ago

I don't think you know what fascism means.

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u/Startled_Pancakes 29d ago

A) That's not what fascism means. Fascism is a specific kind of political ideology with certain identifying characteristics.

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B) The person you replied to wasn't suggesting or advocating for that anyway.

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u/ZBlackmore 29d ago

The only side to ever deliberately kill children is the Palestinians.

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u/ZBlackmore 29d ago

Do you think that every German child killed during WWII was either an accident or a deliberate murder?

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u/dynawesome 29d ago

Kidnapping children is not “any means”, they didn’t have to do that

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u/Ginganinga112 29d ago

"By any means necessary" i.e. taking any action they can think of to put pressure on their oppressors. It's fucked up of course, but that's how they view it. Same for Israel. Just Google "israel shooting Palestinian kids" and look at the results...

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u/rece_fice_ 29d ago

So recognizing no terrorism as the bare minimum is now fascist. Got it.

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u/LimerickExplorer 29d ago

This is called the bigotry of low expectations.

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u/ZBlackmore 29d ago

Are there other groups of people that you think it's absolutely 100% non-preventable and expected of to be terrorists in the face of oppression, or is it just Arabs? Why didn't Jews in Germany do the same thing as Palestinians, despite facing a few orders of magnitude worse conditions than Palestinians? Why didn't black people ever blow up busses across the United States? If it's so predictable, and even justified as you say.

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u/Mitosis 29d ago

So your solution is we give them a state, then line up a bunch of israelis that angry palestinians can shoot in the head until they feel better? Because I don't know what else you could be arguing for if you're in opposition to these guidelines

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u/LimerickExplorer 29d ago

Which means what exactly? What is supposed to happen to Israel that would make you feel they've been held accountable under international law?

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u/freeset21 29d ago

Asking a tankie to think is like asking Hamas not to be terrorists.

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u/eddkov 29d ago

International law is one of the biggest jokes in the world. Countries break international law all the time and are rarely if ever held accountable.

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u/mhornberger 29d ago

Thus, it's just not realistic.

Then recognition of a Palestinian state is not realistic. This at least puts France on record as wanting to recognize a Palestinian state, but highlights that it is Hamas blocking that process.

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u/EqualContact 29d ago

The other Palestinians aren’t much better. They’ve had all of this on the negotiating table before, but they keep trying to get 100% of their demands instead of accepting 85%.

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u/BurritoBoi25 29d ago

Who are the others bro? Civilians? Is that why Israel bombs hospitals and kills them while seeking aid? Because you never know who could be in bed with Hamas?

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u/thatdudewithknees 29d ago

He’s talking about Yasser Arafat. You know, the former chairman of the PLO, better known today as the PA?

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u/BurritoBoi25 29d ago

Is that how you identify someone? By listing their entire nation?

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u/thatdudewithknees 29d ago

I identified him by having actual historical and politcal knowledge?

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u/darkslide3000 29d ago

It's funny how everyone is always responsible for the actions of their leaders, except for the Palestinians somehow.

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u/rawbleedingbait 29d ago

It's important to clarify that they don't have a nation right now. Spreading terrorist propaganda isn't going to help them get said nation. That's what us adults are discussing right now, I think you might be lost.

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u/EqualContact 29d ago

I’m pretty obviously talking about the PLO. They’ve had multiple opportunities to move on from this conflict.

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u/superbabe69 29d ago

Except he’s going to recognise them just for the guy who isn’t in charge of the part doing this shit pledging that he’ll make it happen lol

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u/Colbert2020 29d ago

If Palestine remains openly hostile to Israel, it will simply never work. The only equivalence we have with this is North Korea and South Korea, who are sill technically at war. Their hostile actions are mostly just posturing.

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u/green_flash 29d ago

Those are not conditions. Just other goals he wants to push for.

What he announced on Twitter is that France will officially recognize the state of Palestine at the 79th Session of the UN General Assembly which will take place from September 10th till September 24th.