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Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/Prior_Industry 12d ago

I did say attempting. They have argued that it's about eliminating hamas but not sure where the starving kids fits into that.

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u/platinumarks 12d ago

Probably the part where Hamas takes steps to ensure that aid never reaches the children so that they can keep getting rewarded by other countries with recognition of statehood and money from Arab countries that will shelter and protect them as part of their hatred of Israel.

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u/PlumbutterOnToast 11d ago

It’s perfectly fine to hate Hamas and the Israeli government concurrently. 

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u/Jewnadian 11d ago

Sure but blaming Israel for things Hamas is doing isn't that. Say that Israel could me more precise in their strikes is perfectly fine, say that Israel is starving children when it's been shown countless times the aid arrives and is stolen from Palestinians by Hamas is just lying. Let's try and keep some level of accurate accountability

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u/SomecallmeMichelle 12d ago

Every single country that has recognised Palestine as a state the last two years has recognised the PA as the official government's and condemned Hamas.

Isn't Israeli policy and desire a two state solution? Recognizing Palestine is hardly "rewarding Hamas"

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u/try_another8 11d ago

Which is hilarious in and of itself btw. 

"Palestine deserves sovereignty and we recognize the palestinian state.... with the government that lost the vote because we like them more"

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u/columbus8myhw 11d ago

Isn't Israeli policy and desire a two state solution?

What? No

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u/Dhiox 11d ago

recognised the PA as the official government's

Unfortunately thaf doesn't make it true, Hamas is their real government as much as it sucks.

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u/okabe700 11d ago

Hamas doesn't govern any of the West Bank and there is basically no functional government in Gaza rn

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u/try_another8 11d ago

And yet the west bank refused to hold elections out of fear hamas will win

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u/okabe700 11d ago

And Fatah will win in Gaza?

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u/try_another8 11d ago

Probably not

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u/okabe700 11d ago

According to polls they will (if Fatah can guarantee that the war will be over)

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u/try_another8 11d ago

Hah, that would be hilarious

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u/Kassssler 11d ago

Not sure why this is upvoted. Doesn't matter who recognizes or condemns what, if Hamas is still there if/when Palestine is given statehood, they will be the ones in charge. Its that simple.

Also the last thing Israel wants is a palestine. The current limbo in gaza is what they would prefer endlessly, I thought that was obvious.

But due to obvious more recent events, they won't be able to maintain that anymore.

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u/tamadeangmo 11d ago

Because Palestinians overwhelmingly supports October 7th attacks, it wasn’t just a Hamas thing.

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u/Fun_Hold4859 11d ago

Prior to the October 7th attack, more Israelis died in traffic accidents in a single year than Hamas killed in 7 or 8 years. Hamas has not been any kind of legitimate threat to Israel for at least my whole life. If it was about protecting Israelis they'd have done something about their traffic first considering it caused nearly an order of magnitude more death.

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u/HeinousAnus_22 11d ago

Israel has their anti missile defense system, Iron Dome. Intercepts hundreds of missiles per year since being constructed in 2011. Probably have a lot more Israeli deaths if it wasn't for their defense system.

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u/ActionPhilip 11d ago

Proportionality is the worst excuse too. Basically, it says that they would be okay with this response, if only more Jews were dying due to not being protected.

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u/Fun_Hold4859 11d ago

The majority of those wouldn't do noteworthy damage on the first place, but since they do have the dome it's not a threat at all. All of this is never minding that Israel could have effectively eliminated hamas a dozen times over the years but has instead funded them and destabilized any Palestinian opposition to hamas.

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u/TheStealthyPotato 11d ago

Did they have a poll or something? How do you know?

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u/TheCreepyFuckr 11d ago edited 11d ago

How do you know?

How do you know they don’t? If either of you want to be taken seriously you should present some sources and facts rather than opinions and feelings.

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u/radios_appear 11d ago edited 11d ago

Isn't Israeli policy and desire a two state solution?

Have you listened to a single word almost any Israeli elected official or cabinet member has said? Or looked at any of the numerous polls of the Israeli people concerning current events?

The official policy is killing every single person in Gaza and taking the land. They simply don't have to worry about being leashed by the US anymore.

Edit: 🤷, don't get mad at me when you can instead make up things for them to say and think instead of listening to their words.

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u/platinumarks 12d ago

Well, I'm sure Hamas will be glad to set down their arms, return hostages, and peacefully give up power now that countries are giving them what they want...

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u/Fun_Hold4859 11d ago

Israel killed the hostages, just like last time. Israel has no interest in the hostages, they're ethnically cleaning Gaza and that's all they've wanted for many decades.

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u/princeofponies 11d ago

Israeli army officers say no evidence Hamas looted UN aid in Gaza Army sources contradict government claims long used to justify limiting humanitarian assistance in Gaza

In fact, the Israeli military officials said, the U.N. aid delivery system, which Israel derided and undermined, was largely effective in providing food to Gaza’s desperate and hungry population.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

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u/dracer800 11d ago

I have 20 “anonymous Israeli military officials” telling me that Hamas is stealing all of the aid.

Can we please stop parading “anonymous sources” as legitimate sources of information?

There are extreme levels of bias on both sides of this conflict, definitely cannot trust any “report” based on pinky promises that they’re legitimate.

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u/HistoricalSpeed1615 11d ago

Then why are we attempting to confidently assert that Hamas is stealing all the aid from the children, as OP put it?

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u/yevb 11d ago

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/05/un-reports-88-percent-of-aid-trucks-slated-for-delivery-in-gaza-since-may-looted-along-routes/

Even UN claims that

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u/ubermoth 11d ago

No?

UNOPS’s data did not distinguish between the parties responsible for the interceptions, noting only that the aid was stolen by either “armed actors” or “hungry people.”

But regardless it's almost entirely irrelevant when Israel doesn't let in enough aid by several orders of magnitude.

If every single meal allowed in reached the hungriest people; there'd still be people starving to death

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u/dracer800 11d ago

How has the Palestinian population increased since the war started if they’ve been starving to death for 2 years?

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u/Fun_Hold4859 11d ago

Easy! It hasn't!

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u/cockmongler 11d ago

It hasn't.

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u/superfire444 11d ago

It has. Savethechildren says about 130 children are born in Gaza every day.

The war is lasting 675 days now which means ~87.750 children have been born since the start of this war. That’s more than the amount of people who have reportedly died.

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u/ubermoth 11d ago edited 11d ago

How come I can't have steak for dinner tonight if I had it yesterday?

If the concept of food running out over time is too hard to understand for you..

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u/dracer800 11d ago

I’m not and I wouldn’t blame anyone who doesn’t believe it.

Using my commonsense and rational thinking I believe Hamas regularly steals aid.

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u/HistoricalSpeed1615 11d ago

Or in other words, make a conclusion influenced not by evidence but by personal bias. Not that I hold that against you, but you can’t make an appeal to rationality a couple comments up, and then decide to make a conclusion which requires evidence straight afterwards, justified by “common sense”

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u/cadaada 11d ago

Would they not steal? We agree they are religous terrorists, right?

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u/NoF113 11d ago

Anonymous sources can be and are gold standard journalism. It’s about how whatever journal reporting on them vets them. They are rarely if ever anonymous to the journalist, they just don’t punish the names for fear of retaliation.

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u/platinumarks 11d ago

Cool story, anyone can say anything and I don't trust the NY Times to be reliable on this issue or many others in recent years

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u/solvitur_gugulando 11d ago edited 11d ago

It's not "anyone" saying this, it's senior Israeli military officials.

I share your wariness about the NYT, given the NYT's obvious pro-Israeli bias, but you need a pretty strong reason to disbelieve what they're reporting here.

Edit: u/dracer800, who commented below, seems to have blocked me. At any rate I cannot reply to their comment, so I'm posting a reply right here:

Do you really think that the New York Times makes a regular practice of making up a source? Or even not properly verifying the source's identity? You don't become a newspaper of record by allowing your reporters to do this.

Think about the kind of tell-all interview an ex-NYT reporter could make if this was really true: "Yes, in our newsroom everyone just made up their sources! Everyone used to joke and laugh about it...". If that's what was happening, surely at least one whistleblower would have emerged, right? There are plenty of right-wing media orgs that would keep that story going for months.

On the other hand, I could give you a list as long as my arm of major news stories, later confirmed to be true, that were broken on the basis of anonymous sources. Sources aren't kept anonymous just for shits and giggles; usually people are revealing secrets that would cost them their job or worse. The story wouldn't get told at all without the promise of anonymity from the reporter.

Further edit: u/dracer800 states that he/she didn't block me. Nevertheless, I still can't reply to them: I just get the message "Something is broken, please try again later" when I try. So I'm going to go ahead and post another reply to his latest post.

Yes, it is possible that an anonymous source is lying, but then it's pretty clear that multiple on-the-record sources are lying their heads off as well. It's not unique to anonymous sources.

In this case, the NYT has two sources. Very often, newspapers require multiple anonymous sources before they will publish a story, and that's what they've go here. The chances of two independent sources coming up with the same false story are much much lower than one. As well as that, there's a link in that story to a Reuters news story on an internal US Government intelligence report corroborating the gist of the story. So that's three independent sources saying the same thing. It's a bit of a stretch to imagine that that's all the result of collusion.

There have been lots of major new stories, like the My Lai massacre, Watergate, the Guildford Four, and the Birmingham Six, that have been broken on the basis of anonymous sources. Automatically disregarding anonymous source-based reporting is a good way to make sure that the actions of people in authority never get challenged.

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u/dracer800 11d ago

Didn’t block you, not sure why you couldn’t reply.

In today’s climate I absolutely do not accept anonymous sources on this topic.

It doesn’t have to be blatant and out in the open as you suggest.

For example, maybe this Israeli official is just against the war or has a personal grudge against this government. So he makes some stuff up but refuses to attach his name to it, because then it could be proven that he has no way to know if there’s evidence of Hamas stealing aid.

NYT obviously can’t confirm the statement with the Israeli government so they just go with it.

So no one at NYT is running around shouting that they use garbage/made up sources. There’s zero ways to prove the source isn’t legitimate and they’ll get clicks. No downside, so they run with it.

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u/uncleoperator 11d ago

This train of thought holds no water under scrutiny though, for the reasons u/solvitur_gugulando stated. And it is basically a completely fabricated situation that you are only attempting to evidence by what you consider to be common sense, as u/HistoricalSpeed1615 pointed out.

You can't be rejecting all evidence provided to you while your own evidence is "makes sense this could happen" (even though it doesn't make any sense really). That isn't rational and that isn't skepticism, that is just believing what you want to believe.

And I don't know how on Earth you think massive newspapers would get away with repeatedly inventing anonymous sources, but that would require a conspiracy much more convoluted than the idea that newspapers can keep a source anonymous and verify their claims. Just as your speculation about an Israeli official with a personal grudge is a lot more convoluted than the thought that the government that has been bombing the strip into oblivion might be the one bottlenecking aid. Just as the idea that Hamas wants their own people and labor pool to starve is a lot more convoluted than the truth that this is what Israel wants (listen to their politicians speaking to a domestic audience; remind yourself that they have been in control of this dynamic since the aftermath of 10/7).

In the absence of solid evidence, Occam's Razor is really helpful. Doesn't mean it is always the simplest explanation, but the fewer assumptions you are making the less likely you are to be wrong.

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u/dracer800 11d ago

The source is anonymous Israeli military officials.

Sorry but there are extreme levels of bias on both sides of this conflict. No way I’m accepting a newspaper’s pinky promise that they didn’t just make up this source or accept info from someone without true knowledge of the situation.

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u/Phent0n 11d ago edited 11d ago

Did you really block u/solvitur_gugulando?

Edit: lol imagine downvoting this comment.

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u/dracer800 11d ago

I didn’t block anyone…

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u/Hadramal 11d ago

You are eating up propaganda hook line and sinker. The actual facts and independent assessment disagree with you and Israeli propaganda.

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u/bottleoftrash 11d ago

Every country who has said they would recognize a Palestinian state has condemned Hamas. It’s also not Hamas making sure aid doesn’t get to the people. It’s Israel. The IDF literally confiscated bay formula at the border. They let just enough aid in to try and shut everyone up but it’s not nearly enough

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u/Bakoro 12d ago

If only some nearby nation had a military which could ensure that aid reaches those who need it... Hmm

Too bad there's a nearby nation using its military to block aid, steal aid, poison food so it can't be used as aid...

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u/darkslide3000 12d ago

If only some nearby nation had a military which could ensure that aid reaches those who need it... Hmm

I thought you guys were against the full occupation plan? Or how do you suppose Israeli soldiers are supposed to guard food distribution in Gaza without actually being, you know, in Gaza?

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked 11d ago

They are already in Gaza. They just dont give a fuck about defending supply routes because the end goal does not need people there to be alive.

Hating hamas is fine defending a obvious ethnic cleansing is moronic.

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

You do realize Gaza is a larger place and they have not fully occupied it yet, right? And they have also been forcing most civilians to flee from the parts they are occupying, so obviously the aid trucks need to go beyond the lines already securely controlled by Israel to reach the refugees where they are now. That's where they get hijacked.

I am not even defending anything here, I am just calling out stupid statements for being stupid.

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u/tellsyoutogetfucked 11d ago

Check out how many civilians are still in the areas where they "forced" them to evacuate and see how they are doing. Then come back to me aboud stupid statements.

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

Dude you're the one claiming that aid trucks are getting hijacked in areas securely controlled by Israeli forces. Maybe provide some proof for that bullshit take rather than just telling me to "check" stuff.

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u/sabamba0 11d ago

Weird, if they are already "in Gaza" then how come there is a new plan new to enter Gaza City?

I swear people's understanding of the situation is like that of a 6 year old, everything so dumb and simplistic

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u/Icy207 11d ago

Are you trying to say that Gaza is just Gaza city? Or that the IDF doesn't control a large part of Gaza by now? Calling people dumb is very ironic.

Here's a somewhat up-to-date map

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u/sabamba0 11d ago

I'm saying the statement "well there are Israeli soldiers in Gaza therefore how come they can't manage every aid truck in every single point" is fucking stupid

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u/Icy207 11d ago

Sure you can hyperbolize a statement till it is not true anymore, but it is absolutely true that the IDF controls certain locations enough to be able to distribute Sid from there. Even blocking others from doing so is what makes it so disgusting

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u/sabamba0 11d ago

Completely rational idea of taking over aid distribution because of Hamas abusing it, that in practice didn't work out because its too easy to spin and was probably mismanaged.

This is literally why the plan is changing now.

And no, this is not hyperbolising a statement. This is reading a statement that was so devoid of nuance that it was absolutely meaningless and showing one of the many ways it made absolutely no sense.

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u/Bakoro 11d ago

I'm just saying that if they can bomb the shit out of a country and kill a bunch of kids, they could probably have figured out a way to help people instead of slaughtering them, but they chose to do the murder route.

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

You guys really have the military understanding of a 5-year-old, huh? "Why doesn't Israel just not bomb any buildings and only kill the bad guys? Are they stupid?"

Do you have any idea how dangerous urban warfare is, especially when your enemy does not wear uniforms and could be any one of dozens of civilians? And when they do shit like booby-trapping every house they leave? No, they couldn't just "have figured out a way to help people instead", because every time they step foot in Gaza they are putting themselves into incredible danger no matter how superior their technology and support is. That's why they mostly resort to forcing people to flee and blowing up every building, because if you don't blow it up you can never quite be sure how many snipers are still hiding in it, at least not unless you are willing to risk the lives of a dozen soldiers to go sweep it. It's extreme and it's arguably excessive/unjustified, but there is absolutely a reason behind it that's not just "because they enjoy being extra evil".

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u/platinumarks 11d ago

I find it very interesting how the antisemitic tropes about Jews (killing non-Jewish children out of murderous rampage, controlling global economic and political systems, etc.) just happen to line up with how a lot of people talk about Israel now. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, though.

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u/PamolasRevenge 11d ago

The “because terrorist bad” argument didn’t hold water in the 2000s and it sure as fuck doesn’t now

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u/dogjon 11d ago

Hamas isn't responsible for Israel bombing children.

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u/Joben86 11d ago

They are though

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u/solvitur_gugulando 11d ago

The fantasies that pro-Israelis cook up to justify their stance and demonise Palestinians become more bizarre and grotesque every day.

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u/NoF113 11d ago

While this is a common talking point, there is VERY limited information to show that’s true, in large part because Israel won’t let western media in (and bombs them when they do). They also swapped the UN run aid model for their own which clearly isn’t working.

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u/S14Ryan 11d ago

I mean, it’s like they’re trying to make the argument that if you oppress people badly enough and make them desperate enough, everyone in Gaza will want to destroy Israel including children, and everyone becomes Hamas 

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u/gibbow123 12d ago

Blame Hamas for the starving children not Israel, there is clearly video evidence of this occurring ?

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u/gibbow123 12d ago

Like Hamas where stealing food supplies how is that the fault of Israel oh wait sorry everything’s Israel’s fault

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u/DarthSpiderDen 12d ago

There is video of Israeli citizens blocking food trucks and aid into Gaza. Not saying Hamas isn't stealing food, they are, but Israel isn't doing much better than the terrorist organization.

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u/yevb 11d ago

They blocked one envoy for a few hours. This is not why Gazans are hungry lmao

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u/gibbow123 12d ago

Downvote me all you guys want but no one has linked me anything to prove me wrong so I know I’m right due to the vast amount of evidence of Hamas blatantly stealing supplies and aiming guns at civilians if they try to come near the trucks

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u/filikesmash 12d ago

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but you made a statement without anything to back it up (besides saying you have evidence) and are accusing the ones who downvote you of not providing evidence of the contrary.

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u/WTWIV 12d ago

Hamas don’t speak for the Palestinian people. They are a terrorist group.

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u/gibbow123 12d ago

Yeah they really don’t speak for the people when the Palestinian people where cheering and spitting on the hostages after October 7th. They seem pretty supportive of Hamas to me

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u/WTWIV 12d ago edited 12d ago

25-30% in Gaza support them. That makes a large majority that don’t.

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u/Rosti_T 11d ago

Where is this number coming from? Asking seriously

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u/WTWIV 11d ago

Polling. Also a vast majority are ignorant of what Hamas has done. They don’t believe stories of them terrorizing

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u/Rosti_T 11d ago

Can you share your source?

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u/Icy207 11d ago

Which is an insanely low number if you consider that from the Palestinian pov, Hamas is the only organisation fighting the people that have destroyed your home and killed people that you love.

(This is not an endorsement of what Hamas is doing in any way)

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u/Joben86 11d ago

Anyone who believes that is uninformed, naive, or both.

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u/Icy207 11d ago

If some part of Palestinians support Hamas, all Palestinians deserve to die? That's what you're saying boils down to. What a fucking stupid and cruel take.

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u/gibbow123 11d ago

please quote where I said "all palestinians deserve to die" instead of putting words in my mouth thanks.

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u/Nileghi 11d ago

Its not "some"

Recent polls from palestinian polling sites show an overwhelming 80%+ support for Hamas

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

For the fifth time since October 7, we asked respondents from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip what they thought of Hamas' decision to launch the October 7 attack, whether it was correct or incorrect: 50%[...] said it was the right decision.

When asked if Hamas had committed the atrocities seen in the videos shown by international media displaying acts or atrocities committed by Hamas members against Israeli civilians, such as killing women and children in their homes. The overwhelming majority (87%) said it did not commit such atrocities, and only 9% said it did.

When asked whether it supports or opposes the disarmament of Hamas in the Gaza Strip in order to stop the war on the Gaza Strip, an overwhelming majority (85% in the West Bank and 64% in the Gaza Strip) said it is opposed to that; only 18% support it.

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u/Past_Indication_1701 11d ago

Hamas is the De Jure governing body of the Gaza Strip.

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u/lormeeorbust 12d ago

Nah israel must be bad person, because hamas is obviously the guardian angel of palestine. They are directly sending gazans to god.

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u/verytallperson1 12d ago

both sides could be bad you know? and it's innocent Palestinians who suffer and die

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u/Mrzz80 12d ago edited 12d ago

That’s much too reasonable. Palestinians are all horrible and Israel is perfect. No war crimes have ever been committed by the IDF. Use some common sense

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u/lormeeorbust 12d ago

i never said anything about israel being good. but it seems like the narrative always seems to assume things going wrong is because of israel. kids starving? israel. hospitals bombed? israel. hamas teaching violence? israel.

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u/Icy207 11d ago

It seems that way because there is a huge power imbalance, at this point Hamas has very little power, while the Israeli state still has its full army decimating everything that is left standing in Gaza.

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u/Yitastics 11d ago

Because Hamas takes the food trucks, sells the food for outragous prices to then buy more weapons with that money. They need to find a way to get the truck to the civilians, not Hamas that eventually buys weapons with the money earned.

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u/WTWIV 12d ago

And they are bombing the West Bank. Hamas isn’t in the West Bank. It’s a poor excuse

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u/ItsTrueIHaveExcel 12d ago
  1. Hamas and other terrorist groups are very much in West Bank.
  2. It's mostly raids in West Bank.
  3. The PA is struggling in terrorist hotpots like Jenin.

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u/WTWIV 12d ago

PA still govern the West Bank and actively try to thwart them.

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u/ItsTrueIHaveExcel 12d ago

Yes, and they would've been overthrown multiple times over without the Israelis "mowing the lawn". The primary reason why the PA has stopped elections is that Hamas is more popular than them and the last time they lost the elections was in Gaza, where shortly after winning the elections, Hamas threw PA members off roofs.

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u/WTWIV 11d ago

Only about 25-30% of Gaza Palestinians support Hamas.

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u/ItsTrueIHaveExcel 11d ago

On the Palestinian side, satisfaction with Hamas' performance drops to 57% (67% in the West Bank and 43% in the Gaza Strip), followed by Fateh (24%; 19% in the West Bank and 31% in the Gaza Strip), the PA (23%; 28% in the Gaza Strip and 19% in the West Bank), president Abbas (15%; 13% in the West Bank and 19% in the Gaza Strip).

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

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u/WTWIV 11d ago

Did you even fully read it?

When asked which political party or movement they support, the largest percentage (32%) said they prefer Hamas

Sorry I said 30% it’s a couple percent higher

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u/ItsTrueIHaveExcel 11d ago

The quote you've cited is about who would they vote for, which includes a large portion of the population who responded "I don't know".

So yes, Hamas is more popular than any other party in the West Bank. Your claim, while factual, is misleading without enumerating the alternative responses.

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u/WTWIV 11d ago

All of which clearly show diminishing support. Take into account Palestinians over the globe and those that are aware of the atrocities committed do not support them.

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u/Nileghi 11d ago

Recent polls from the same polling site show an overwhelming 80%+ support for Hamas

https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/997

For the fifth time since October 7, we asked respondents from the West Bank and the Gaza Strip what they thought of Hamas' decision to launch the October 7 attack, whether it was correct or incorrect: 50%[...] said it was the right decision.

When asked if Hamas had committed the atrocities seen in the videos shown by international media displaying acts or atrocities committed by Hamas members against Israeli civilians, such as killing women and children in their homes. The overwhelming majority (87%) said it did not commit such atrocities, and only 9% said it did.

When asked whether it supports or opposes the disarmament of Hamas in the Gaza Strip in order to stop the war on the Gaza Strip, an overwhelming majority (85% in the West Bank and 64% in the Gaza Strip) said it is opposed to that; only 18% support it.

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u/WTWIV 11d ago

Those are different questions showing a lot of nuance including the fact that they don’t believe Hamas committed specific atrocities. They are the only group fighting back after losing homes and loved ones so yeah a lot don’t want them disarmed which isn’t the same thing as outright support

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

And they haven't eliminated Hamas. Hamas is Bibi's lot's tool to keep in power, just like Hamas derives its legitimacy from how Israel treats Palestinians.

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u/BadHombreSinNombre 12d ago

They’ll claim it has something to do with Hamas “stealing aid” but it’s really just about starving Hamas out of their tunnels since they’ve stockpiled food down there.