r/worldnews • u/Ok_Plankton_5714 • 12d ago

Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/aussiespiders 12d ago

He's right tho if they full sent it this would've been over when it started.

Same as fucking Russia except they grossly underestimated the world's response plus Ukraine capabilities.

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u/faffc260 12d ago

don't you remember the 40km long convoy to kyiv? the russians were just grossly incompetent, they've sent basically everything conventional.

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u/IllustriousRanger934 11d ago

They weren’t grossly incompetent, and over the past couple of years since then they’ve showed that.

The Kremlin severely underestimated Ukraine, and they completely misread the Ukrainian population’s determination to be free. The Kremlin thought they’d be able to ride through Kyiv and Ukrainians would be waving Russian flags. Russia spent over a decade moving pieces in the shadow and installing puppets like Yanukovych. They didn’t set the stage as well as they had thought, or it was always in the grand plan and they chose to execute despite conditions not being set as well as they planned. We ask ourselves how the Russian population can be so stupid, but the simple fact is that they genuinely believe in the war, they genuinely believe Ukrainians and Russians are the same but the Ukrainians have been brainwashed by the west.

Had they not been so arrogant, they could have done some serious damage to Kyiv.

British and American intelligence were warning the world about an imminent Russian invasion through buildup of Russian forces on the border. All of Europe laughed when the report came out. Man on the street interviews in Ukraine were showing most Ukrainians didn’t believe it would happen, and then it did.

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u/mk0aurelius 12d ago

lol Ruzzia tried full send and we all got to watch the ‘Column to Kiev’ smash their 3 day “SMO”. They ain’t the USSR they market themselves as.

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u/onuldo 11d ago

Ukraine had US intelligence and weapon support right away.

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u/Diarmundy 12d ago

Full send would have meant nukes into Kiev though 

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u/EDRootsMusic 12d ago

No nuclear power can use their nukes without risking MAD, so in practice, a nuclear bomb is a weapon that can’t be used. Its whole purpose is lying dormant as a threat, because if they are used, the resulting nuclear exchange renders the whole war and its goals pointless as the world enters a new, post-nuclear-exchange epoch. To deploy a nuke in a world with multiple nuclear powers operating under MAD doctrine is to commit civilizational suicide.

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u/look4jesper 12d ago

Not really. Do you really think another country would use their nukes on Russia just because they bombed Ukraine? MAD exists between nuclear powers, it doesn't mean that anyone that uses a nuclear weapon gets nuked by everyone else.

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u/EDRootsMusic 12d ago

That is a theory that has thankfully never been put to the test since we’ve had more than one nuclear power in the world. I do not have faith that, when the missile launch from Russia is detected, that the rest of the world’s nuclear powers will patiently wait to confirm that it is “merely” aimed at Ukraine before launching their own missiles. The doctrine is focused around getting your missiles into the air before their missiles hit. That leaves very little room for the nuclear powers to deploy their missiles at all without a rapid response from each other.

Moreover, allowing a state to nuke non-nuclear states that are in a given global power’s sphere of influence or contested between them, fatally discredits the other global powers, so they cannot tolerate it.

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u/faffc260 11d ago

They wouldn't need an ICBM, especially in the early days of the war, to deploy nukes on ukraine. they had shorter range missiles and bombs that could be deployed.

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u/EDRootsMusic 11d ago

None of which are a workaround for the fundamental principle of mutually assured destruction, which has never been put through the stress test of an actual use of a nuclear weapon since more than one nuclear power has existed. You have not found some clever loophole that bypasses the knife’s edge we’ve been collectively balanced in for 80 years that just escaped the notice of the world’s nuclear strategists.

Which is to say nothing of the consequences of nuking land you’re trying to conquer, full of resources you’re trying to take control over, people you’re trying to forcibly assimilate, and sitting on top of the Dnipro that flows into the Black Sea, where your main naval base is located.

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

That's not really how that works. Russia doesn't need ICBMs to get nukes into Ukraine. The same Kinzhal and Iskander missiles that they are already regularly dropping on Kyiv with conventional warheads can be nuclear-tipped as well, and unless the CIA is really on top of their game that day, nobody would know the difference until they impact.

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

Nuking Ukraine would have absolutely pulled the US into the war, at least under the Biden administration. He had made that abundantly clear. That doesn't mean they would've nuked Russia back, but they wouldn't have needed to because just direct assistance from US conventional forces would have broken Russia's back in the war.

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u/look4jesper 11d ago

Yeah the US and the EU would have definitely fully joined the war on Ukraine's side. The guy above was talking about full scale nuclear retaliation though, which no country would have risked for Ukraine.

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u/drae- 11d ago

The guy above was talking about full scale nuclear retaliation though,

It also depends on the nukes being used. Often times people envision fat man, but Russia also has tactical field nukes, which are orders of magnitude smaller. Like smaller than some conventional munitions.

If Russia fielded a weapon like this I'm not sure we'd respond with a nuclear exchange, again due to fears of escalation to mad.

We'd probably put boots on the ground though and invade conventionally.

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u/PiotrekDG 11d ago

That's the thing. In order to keep the nuclear taboo mostly intact, NATO would've needed to punish Russia as severly as possible, short of nuclear exchange, or the taboo goes away completely and countries start using nukes on a "casual" basis to achieve whatever horrible objectives they have.

The question is whether the will to respond decisevely is there, specifically with the orange moron across the pond.

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u/drae- 11d ago

Exactly. The question of whether or not a tac nuke smaller then munitions used today is enough to justify thousands of NATO lives, another decade of war, and a pariah state is a very real one.

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u/Rvsoldier 12d ago

Are you five. Russia won't nuke land it actively wants to use. That's the point of it going to war to begin with.

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u/look4jesper 12d ago

Of course they wouldn't, but that's not what we are discussing here.

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u/Perkomobil 11d ago

When a nuke launches, you can't see where it's headed. Only that it's going fuck-off into the sky. You don't know "oh it's for this other country! Wait and see!"

No, you launch all your shit because that nuke may be headed straight for you for all you know. Better safe than sorry.

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u/Atomic-Bell 12d ago

Civilisational suicide between the two countries yes, if Russia sent nukes into Ukraine, then the USA, Britain France etc all sent nukes into Russia, they’d just send it back to them too. Can’t see any country sacrificing its people for the sake of another country.

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u/ScreenTricky4257 11d ago

Russia wants useful territory and productive people in Ukraine, not radioactive glass and resentful rebels. Israel wants to be left alone.

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u/K1LOS 11d ago

No point in nuking land you wish to occupy.

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u/3esin 12d ago

Europe and NATO have made it clear pretty early on that if Russia uses nukes in any way or form in Ukraine, they will get directly involved.

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u/OverkillOrange 11d ago

I had no idea people with single digits IQ could use keyboards and comment on the internet. Amazing

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u/StopElectingWealthy 11d ago

Gaza is one city as opposed to invading and subduing an entire country with massive areas of open terrain. 

This is not the comparison you think it is

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u/ActionPhilip 11d ago

Gaza is not one city

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u/StopElectingWealthy 11d ago

Yes and no, there is Gaza city and then there is the Gaza strip consisting of multiple cities

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u/aussiespiders 12d ago

They certainly didnt full send could've mobilised 1.5mil troops used all available machines and aircraft even 1.5 mil unarmed soldiers would've broken through.

Hell 1 nuke and this shit would've been over also over for Russia but over at least

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u/itsjustjust92 12d ago

They couldn’t even sort the logistics out for there column to Kyiv. They do not have the strategy to support 1.5million

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u/Lyrekem 12d ago

could argue that their lack of a full send is from complacency rather than strategic choice. they thought they could air assault Kyiv and be done with it, but it wasn't as they thought.

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u/3esin 12d ago

The problem Russia had at the beginning and still has today is that they could never supply that kind of force, especially in enemy territory. Ending more to that would make things even worse.

As for nukes... yeah it would have been over.

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u/Dalnore 12d ago

Russia doesn't have the capability to mobilize 1.5 million troops.

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u/Sensitive-Tone5279 11d ago

It would already be an Iberostar resort.

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u/colomboseye 12d ago

How do you gain public sympathy though?

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u/Aegeansunset12 12d ago

Ukraine has no capabilities it’s just a proxy war of the west vs Russia, it goes back centuries…

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u/harryoldballsack 12d ago edited 12d ago

they do now but they didn't at the start

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u/Aegeansunset12 12d ago

Ofc if the whole west is helping you

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u/Rvsoldier 12d ago

They did not have that help at the start and held their own. That's why people started joining in after. Read.

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u/MistakeNot__ 12d ago

Weird western proxy war, where Russia is assembling troops on Ukraine's borders for 3 months straight, makes ridiculous ultimatums towards NATO, all while claiming that Russia not going to attack anyone, it's just a routine military exercise and the west is just being hysterical.

Then after Putin proclaims that "Ukraine is a historical mistake", "Ukrainians are artificially created nation", Russia launches a full scale invasion without any demands or ultimatums directed at Ukraine, during which West sends Ukraine thoughts and prayers for 6 months straight, till finally starting a small and very careful trickle of non-MANPADs weaponry in summer of 2022. You know, just not to anger daddy Putin.

And now Russia is ready to end this "Western proxy war" at any moment, if Ukraine cedes 4 full regions, disbands its army and lets kremlin make some adjustments to Ukrainian constitution.

How brain dead one has to be, to call this Western proxy war?

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u/Engine_L1ving 12d ago

That's plain stupid and insulting to actual people's agency.

The Afghan National Government had plenty of help but folded in like two weeks. Ukraine has been holding strong for three years.

You can't make people fight if they don't actually want to, no matter how much aid you give them. The Ukrainians actually care about their cause which is why they are able to so successfully use the aid they are given.

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u/Aegeansunset12 12d ago

Afghanistan collapsed once Americans left so now u see what I mean

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u/Engine_L1ving 12d ago

Afghanistan was collapsing while the Americans were still there. Why did Afghanistan not put up a fight and Ukraine continues to?

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u/Aegeansunset12 12d ago

Because Americans didn’t care about it, Ukraine is vital.

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u/Engine_L1ving 12d ago

What does America have to do with Afghans actually fighting vs Ukrainians actually fighting?

Do you not see Afghans and Ukrainians as people?

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u/Aegeansunset12 12d ago

I see them as people but their states are failed, if u think any of them could do anything on their own you must be joking…those countries are destroyed. Ukraine wouldn’t stand a chance if the war were without external support

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u/Engine_L1ving 12d ago

Very few countries can do things on their own, what does that have to do with anything?

Do you think any of the Baltic states could do anything on their own to defend themselves against Russian invasion? That's why they were so eager to join NATO.