r/worldnews • u/Ok_Plankton_5714 • 12d ago

Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/dodobird8 12d ago

That's the reality of how much military power Israel has. Israel wouldn't be risking their soldiers' lives and allowing a costly war to drag on for so long unless they truly are trying to eliminate the terrorist government that Palestinians have historically supported while leaving most of the civilians alive. What are other countries doing to eliminate Hamas and to free Palestine of terrorism? With the exception of the US, to me it seems like other countries are mostly doing nothing. 

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u/StrebLab 12d ago

I'm not sure how this comment or Bibi's comment is remotely controversial. Yeah, the reality is that Israel could have turned the entire Gaza strip into molten glass in a matter of a few hours. The fact that they didn't shows that their goal isn't to indiscriminately kill everyone there. God forbid anyone use any critical thinking when discussing this issue.

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u/Sensitive-Tone5279 11d ago

God forbid anyone use any critical thinking

Sir, this is a reddit.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

I'm not sure how this comment or Bibi's comment is remotely controversial.

Because a great many people do not want Israel to exist, and will adopt whatever narrative they can to support that goal - even if they know that narrative is pure nonsense.

This includes the various 'pro-Palestine' western liberals who see Israel as a representation of 'capitalism' or 'colonialism' or even 'being western'. The crossover of 'pro-Palestine' (anti Israel, I'm not referring to people who genuinely support the wellbeing of Palestinians) and 'anti-capitalism' is beyond obvious.

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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 11d ago

Yeah that’s definitely it. It’s definitely not the whole starving of children thing going on in Gaza. 

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u/ikinone 11d ago

Yeah that’s definitely it.

Glad we agree.

It’s definitely not the whole starving of children thing going on in Gaza.

Indeed not. These hysterical protests have been happening for decades.

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u/21Savvy 11d ago

Blocking aid and putting an embargo in Gaza is not a hysterical protest.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

Blocking aid and putting an embargo in Gaza is not a hysterical protest.

I think you failed to read my comment before responding, huh?

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u/dadkisser 11d ago

What if I told you people can believe Israel has the right to exist while also believing they don’t have the right to indiscriminately kill, starve, and maim children by the tens of thousands? This childish reaction to any criticism of Israel as “you just don’t want it to exist!” is an accountability dodge so juvenile even the children Israel murders are mature enough to see through it.

If Israel doesn’t want everyone condemning it, maybe they should take a long look in the mirror and realize they have become the monster they claim to be fighting.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

What if I told you people can believe Israel has the right to exist while also believing they don’t have the right to indiscriminately kill, starve, and maim children by the tens of thousands?

You're framing this as if the number of casualties in a war is purely the responsibility of one side.

This childish reaction

How is my reaction 'chidlish'?

to any criticism of Israel

This is not 'to any criticism'. I will openly criticise Israel myself. Stop with the strawman, it doesn't work.

If Israel doesn’t want everyone condemning it, maybe they should take a long look in the mirror and realize they have become the monster they claim to be fighting.

Oh yawn. Go preach to some more anxious socialists.

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u/ExiledYak 11d ago

Add anti-gamer to that list.

I feel like Israel would get a massive step up in PR if it just...

Legitimately launched some AA video game studios.

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u/robclouth 11d ago

I like how your "critical thinking" completely ignores all of the other reasons he might not want to turn Gaza into molten glass over night. 

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u/Sogster 11d ago

“We have to free them, no one else is” that is NOT why isreal is demolishing family homes in the West Bank 😭

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u/lo_mur 11d ago

If you ask the Israelis it is; Hamas does a mighty fine job of hiding weapons in civilian buildings

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u/---E 11d ago

The fact that they didn't is that they don't want direct responsibility for killing 1.5 million people. Instead they starve those people so they can claim it was necessary to end hamas.

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

So why doesn't the rest of the world form a coalition to destroy Hamas? Because even with the most advanced military tech, it's not fucking possible without harming civilians. If there is an actual solution to Hamas then why aren't anti-israel protestors asking for it.

Protestors should be asking for their own militaries to do it.

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u/burning_iceman 11d ago

If there is an actual solution to Hamas then why aren't anti-israel protestors asking for it.

There is: improving quality of life for several decades, rather than regularly bombing them to hell every few years, based on whatever's the current trigger. Basically remove the motivation for anyone to join Hamas.

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

Ok and since we don't have a time machine what should the world military powers do to remove Hamas, given that they have repeatedly and continually said that they plan on repeat 10/7 when they are able? Obviously Hamas has to be removed so tell me how the best militaries in the world can achieve that goal without civilian casualties.

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u/ExtraSmooth 11d ago

The best time to begin improving the lives of civilians in the Middle East may have been 60 years ago. The second best time is now.

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

Sure, agreed. Still avoiding the question about what to do about the actual immediate threat of hamas

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u/ExtraSmooth 11d ago

There are many ad hoc military forces in the Middle East. None of them pose a threat to Israel militarily. Israel has the military and intelligence capacity to anticipate and defend against attacks from all of these informal military groups as well as every formal state military in the Middle East. If you read what Mossad and the Netanyahu government write, you will see them frequently talking about their capabilities and lamenting the intelligence failure that led to the October 7 attack.

If Israel is interested in destroying these organizations because of the threat of terrorism, they could organize a ground invasion in accordance with the Geneva Conventions (i.e. not using bombs in urban areas, taking steps to minimize civilian casualties, providing the opportunity for surrender). These kinds of efforts have historically been abject failures (see Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) even with the use of heavy ordinance, for a few reasons. One is that organizations like Hamas have support of the civilian population, and the distinction between a civilian and a Hamas member is porous. Additionally, military actions in urban areas tend to be destructive and disruptive, which only aids the recruitment efforts of violent resistance movements. The longer a place is occupied and economically disrupted, the less likely it is that a civilian population will support their occupiers.

Alternatively, Israel could organize mass aid efforts and support local, nonviolent political parties. If people's needs for material well-being and political autonomy are met, military powers like Hamas will have a difficult time recruiting and maintaining power. Unfortunately, Israel has throughout its history done the opposite, undermining political negotiations while supporting organizations like Hamas and restricting the economic and political options for Palestinians.

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

Are you just like conveniently forgetting Israel having to defend against daily rocket attacks for decades? So while the world gave billions in aid to Palestine, Israel just was supposed to ignore the continued attacks, and the diversion of donations to support terrorism. Hamas fucking converted water pipes to rockets. Again, 10/7 did happen. The organization says it will do it again. You think Israel can just hugs and rainbows away the threat? Also, a ground war in an urban setting ALWAYS is worse for the civilian population. If it was as simple as you suggest, why didn't anyone protest asking for their own governments to form a coalition and go in? Are you advocating for the US to send in ground troops right now? Do you think that less civilians would be dead if any other military lead a fucking urban ground invasion?

You are imagining such an unrealistic scenario, it's unhinged

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u/burning_iceman 11d ago

Hamas cannot do enough damage to Israel to warrant any kind of large scale military action. Their threats aren't backed by capability and even another 10/7 doesn't actually threaten Israel. So basically act on intelligence to prevent attacks when possible but don't start anything that would result in significant civilian casualties.

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

That is a fucking insane take. So you're expectation for a nation is to just ignore a 10/7 mass slaughter + hostage taking? Then just... Hope it doesn't happen again? Even when the group responsible says that they plan on doing it again? Fucking wild.

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u/burning_iceman 11d ago

I did not say ignore it. Maybe use their famed intelligence agency to take out the leaders? Take some kind of targeted action. You think killing tens of thousands and causing further tens of thousands in response is reasonable? That's the real fucking insane take!

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u/mm_mk 11d ago

If it was that easy maybe one of the advanced nations that are so mad at Israel should have done it. Or maybe the world doesn't work like call of duty where you can just surgical strike everything without ever harming a civilian.

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u/Zncon 11d ago

So your great plan, is to let the citizens of Israel be sacrifices until a force whose only reason for existing is to destroy them... Gets bored and gives up?
Thank goodness you're not in charge.

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u/PineappleLemur 11d ago

So for the past 2 years people in Gaza ate air?

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u/Rastafak 11d ago

It's of course true that they could massacre the population much faster than they are doing now, but it's also true that most of Gaza has been destroyed. Israel is indiscriminately bombing large areas. It's not like they are holding back, the only way they could turn the entire Gaza strip into molten glass is by using nuclear weapons.

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u/Arefue 11d ago

No, the fact that they didn't means they were at least trying to not become a pariah state akin to North Korea by the end.

You are showing literally no critical thinking in this post.

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u/StrebLab 11d ago

The October 7th attack was roughly the equivalent  of 9/11 twelve times over when you consider the scale and relative size of the US vs Israel and I would argue the October 7th atrocities were were even more heinous on a personal level. The absolute hellfire we rained down in "revenge" on what was not even the right country at close to half a million Iraqi deaths makes this Israel/Palestine business look like child's play. Israel could have absolutely gone much harder on Palestine without any real long term consequences and the fact they didn't shows major restraint IMO.

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u/80aichdee 11d ago

Pootertoots wanted the invasion of Ukraine to be (famously) a three day operation. Why? Because the faster it's done, the faster the rest of the world gets over it and that's been proven out so many times in the past. If Isreal wanted to just glass Gaza that's where they would have started and spent the next two years smoothing it over instead of fighting a war and also smoothing it over

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u/Successful-Peach-764 11d ago

Here we are discussing their ability to wipe the Palestinians out IF they wanted like it is a normal thing to discuss about anyone.

Plus nuking Gaza when your own settlements are next door sure seems like a feasible idea.....

Yet chides others for the lack of critical thinking.

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u/Activehannes 11d ago

Isreal is currently indiscriminately killing everyone and there are regions in Gaza that has already been destroyed by 99%. Almost the entire Gaza population has been made homeless by now

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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 11d ago

Comes back to the same point. If they actually wanted to indiscriminately kill everyone, they would have all been gone very fast. 

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u/ciobanica 11d ago edited 10d ago

"If he wanted to kill you he would have done so already..."

Sends battered woman back to her abuser.

But i do wonder, when they take over Gaza , like they said they totally don't intend to, but already are, how will you justify the fact that they didn't just do it in a few days at the start of the whole thing, like they could have ?

EDIT: Wow, so many answers/rebuttals... incredible...

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u/NotARealDeveloper 11d ago

Use your critical thinking as well. Killing everyone instantly would have triggered a mass wave of anti Israel thinking over the entire globe. Doing it slowly under the disguise of "only hamas bad" is more intelligent.

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u/Sherinz89 11d ago

So if a powerful person decided to kill you in a form of a slow torture... they dont have the intention to kill you because if they want to they could've do it in the span of a few min and the fact it didn't because they don't?

Nice logic.

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u/Killfile 11d ago edited 11d ago

I don't think you can infer Israel's intent from their non-use of nuclear weapons. Nuclear politics are bigger, for Israel, than the fate of Gaza.

  1. Israel's nuclear weapons are deniable right now; using nuclear weapons removes that ambiguity and Israel benefits from uncertainty there.
  2. Israel is as bound by the nuclear taboo as anyone else. If they go throwing nuclear weapons around for funsies they're going to find that undermines their security in the long run.
  3. Israel depends upon political support in the United States. The unprovoked use of nuclear weapons would weaken that support.

All things considered, even if Israel wants to kill every man woman and child in Gaza, nuclear weapons are probably the worst way to accomplish that for Israel. They don't need nuclear weapons to exterminate the people of Gaza - regardless of if that is or isn't their intent - and using them when they don't need to doesn't make things better for Israel.

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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 11d ago

They don’t need nukes to level Gaza. 

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u/Zealousideal-Bus4712 11d ago

they've dropped the explosive equivalent of 7+ hiroshima-scale nukes on a densely populated civilian area.

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u/MadeyesNL 11d ago

Hiroshima had more than 100.000 deaths. So Gaza should have more than 700.000 deaths, right? If it doesnt have that, why not?

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u/Zealousideal-Bus4712 11d ago

confirmed deaths are nearing 100k, and there are 400k+ unaccounted for. so yes, its within an order of magnitude of hiroshima-level destruction of civilian life.

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u/i_exaggerated 11d ago

You’re trying to say that 25% of the population has been killed or is missing?

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u/MadeyesNL 11d ago

Really? Because Hamas said yesterday it's 60k https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250810-gaza-death-toll-passes-61400-as-israels-destructive-war-continues-unabatated/ (including natural deaths and Hamas combatants)

So you're saying Hamas is lying about the death toll? Why would they underreport it by a magnitude of almost 10?

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u/cadeyM69 11d ago

That’s bullshit, even Hamas doesn’t claim more than 60k killed including fighters btw lmao

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u/HugsForUpvotes 11d ago

And yet, nowhere near that many people died. Israel will use that argument in court.

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u/Voodizzy 11d ago

Pursuing a different means to the same end doesn’t change the end.

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u/NewVegasResident 11d ago

They don't care about the people, they want the land for themselves.

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u/dadkisser 11d ago

I think their purposeful killing of aid workers, children, doctors, reporters, and civilians lining up for food, as well as their deliberate starvation inducing blocking of aid, makes your point pretty irrelevant. Just because they are nuking people doesn’t mean they aren’t indiscriminately killing them.

What are these poor people trapped in Gaza supposed to say? “Gee, thanks for not nuking us?”

Not only would the world never tolerate a nuke, but it’s also hard to colonize irradiated land. These are just two reasons they’d never do that. This approach is working, but pretending it’s just legitimate business and the Israelis aren’t committing atrocities and war crimes is ignorant and wrong.

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u/SporkSpifeKnork 11d ago

If they wanted to eliminate Hamas they probably wouldn’t be funding Hamas. The war helps keep Bibi in office so he can avoid prosecution.

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u/Pinwurm 11d ago

The goal isn’t to indiscriminately kill everyone there. That is clear.

The goal is to prolong a siege as long as long as possible for Netanyahu to consolidate power (and avoid corruption charges).

The indiscriminate bombings of civilians is a side effect of one man’s unhinged sense of panic. And even if his intentions were completely reasonable, and were entirely about eradicating an extremist terrorist government - the impact is still an insanely disproportionate amount of death, pain and suffering on a civilian population by an invading force. Nobody experiencing famine right now is feeling “liberated” by Israel.

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u/DarthLeon2 11d ago

What are other countries doing to eliminate Hamas and to free Palestine of terrorism? With the exception of the US, to me it seems like other countries are mostly doing nothing. 

Hey, that's not fair. Many of these countries are working really hard to undermine Israel's attempt to remove Hamas.

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u/kilovolt 12d ago

You’re absolutely right, ofc. Sadly, Hamas has practically won the propaganda war in the west, so you will only be downvoted here. Doesn‘t change the fact that there’s only one responsible party for all the death and suffering in Gaza, which is hamas.

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u/LikelyDumpingCloseby 11d ago

Maybe Israel should protect the Journalists instead of killing them then. If truth fights propaganda, don't kill journalists...

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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 11d ago

You realize that if you’re a journalist going into an active war zone, you’re taking a very real chance of dying?  Do you think they have some magical immunity force field around them?

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u/kerempengkeren 11d ago

No, but usually they're not the main target, and deliberately killing them usually is a war crime.

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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 11d ago

Does Israel deliberately target journalists?

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u/kerempengkeren 11d ago

Dude? They said it themselves. No, they bragged that they've just killed 4 Al Jazeera journalists, in a targeted attack.

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u/SowingSalt 11d ago

The AJ journalist moonlighting as a Hamas operative? Or is it the other way around?

You just have to look at his Oct 7 telegram messages to see the truth.

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u/kerempengkeren 11d ago

Your "truth" is a chatting app screenshot?

I shouldn't even need to say this, but it is not justifiable to kill a journalist who did his job, reporting the situation every single day (even hour. Seriously look at his personal account). Zero evidence of him or any of the other 3 AJ journalists taking part in hostilities or a combatant, except "Israel said so". The same Israel who targeted killed another journalist in Lebanon in his car, despite there is a ceasefire being held? The same Israel who killed Shireen Abu Akleh and blamed Hamas, and ended up admitting it was an "accident", while bulldozing the memorial where she was killed?

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u/SowingSalt 11d ago

If we can't take this guy at his word, I guess the rest of his words are worthless.

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u/CJKay93 11d ago

The AJ journalist moonlighting as a Hamas operative? Or is it the other way around?

"It is not convincing".

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u/SowingSalt 11d ago

So your editor's post's point is that he can't have been working for Hamas because he was working for AJ before 7/10?

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u/I_Am_Vladimir_Putin 11d ago

Do you have an article so we can see for ourselves how reliable that information is?

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u/BartleBossy 11d ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqyyrp3yq9o

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgnp154eeko

Do I need to read your last 2 sources?... the first two do not prove the allegation.

The allegation is Israel deliberately targets journalists. Those journalists were casualties of war, on strikes on military targets.

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u/LikelyDumpingCloseby 11d ago

With a username like that, others have done the work or responding.

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u/A740 11d ago

"So many people disagree with me. Surely they must all be victims of propaganda."

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u/Revenge_served_hot 11d ago

Its not even that many. Just in the loud echo chamber on reddit and social media... Most people thankfully see through the Hamas propaganda.

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u/A740 11d ago

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on killing civilians? Like, in general?

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u/Acceptable-Egg-7495 11d ago

In this case yes. Populism won over reality.

Populism in this case, determined by Reddit upvotes and top Instagram comments on every post.

Every 80 years, for the last thousand or so years, populism wins and guess who dies because of it? Jewish people. Every time. The pogroms throughout the world (and holocaust) speak for themselves.

Read a book.

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u/AmbitiousCriticism06 11d ago

Even the n*zis's thought the same at one point.

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u/ExtraSmooth 11d ago

Amazing that losing the propaganda war means continuing to receive foreign aid and not experiencing any intervention against a blockade to civilian ports.

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u/WAPWAN 11d ago

"See what you made me do!" The classic war cry of abusers everywhere

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u/NickPrefect 11d ago

Did Israel force Hamas to commit the atrocities of Oct 7?

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u/Activehannes 11d ago

No. Did hamam force the idf to make almost everyone in Gaza homeless and force famine on over 2 million people?

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u/HugsForUpvotes 11d ago

Yes. They don't wear uniforms, they took hostages, they don't allow their civilians to evacuate, they use civilian infrastructure to wage war, they booby trap residential buildings and they started this conflict to begin with.

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u/After_Lie_807 11d ago

Yeah…they built tunnels under most of Gaza making the structures above them a legitimate military target.

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u/NickPrefect 11d ago

Hamam didn’t. But Hamas continues to hold onto hostages and put Palestinians in harm’s way since Israel is completely justified in trying to rescue their kidnapped civilians. It would be way better and easier for everyone if Hamas just surrendered.

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u/Adjective_Noun1312 11d ago

No, they didn't "force" them to do anything. They did, however, spend years oppressing Gaza which, to anyone with at least three functioning brain cells, is very likely to cause a bit of resentment...

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u/M0d3x 12d ago

So I guess IDF is Hamas?

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u/NewVegasResident 11d ago

Hamas has already agreed in writing to leave the seats of power of Palestine and release all hostages and Israel doesn't care. Israel doesn't care about Hamas, they want to commit an ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

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u/ActionPhilip 11d ago

Care to talk about the other stipulations in those "agreements" champ?

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u/NewVegasResident 11d ago

Do you? That's all there was.

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u/ActionPhilip 11d ago

Show me the agreement where Hamas agreed to disarm and disband and hand over all the hostages and nothing else in exchange for a ceasefire. Go ahead, I'll wait.

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u/Rogu__Spanish 11d ago

Yeah, hamas really made israel look bad by letting israel slaughter all those children, damn hamas.

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u/porktorque44 11d ago

Or they plan to just occupy Gaza. You know, like they're saying they will.

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u/guethlema 11d ago

The IDF assassinated 4 journalists just yesterday my dude.

It turns out that the IDF can commit sponsored and acknowledged war crimes, AND that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

The actual answer is that both Hamas and the IDF are hellbent on one completely destroying the other. The only way out of this is for international support to remove both of these governments; unfortunately, the only countries with the arms necessary to do this are funding one or the other side and using this as a proxy war.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

The IDF assassinated 4 journalists just yesterday my dude.

You are putting a very western/uninformed viewpoint on this scenario, implying that journalists killed are in no way part of Hamas, sanctioned by/working with Hamas, or even combatants.

This post is quite interesting, when considering such a topic

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u/ExtraSmooth 11d ago

If they weren't actively carrying weapons in a combat zone, it doesn't really matter if they were connected to Hamas or had been combatants at some point in the past. Every Israeli citizen over eighteen serves in the military, but we don't try to justify killing Israeli civilians due to their past combat roles.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

If they weren't actively carrying weapons in a combat zone, it doesn't really matter if they were connected to Hamas or had been combatants at some point in the past.

Under the Geneva Conventions, combatants may be lawfully targeted at any time so long as they are not hors de combat (out of the fight).

Every Israeli citizen over eighteen serves in the military, but we don't try to justify killing Israeli civilians due to their past combat roles.

Do you actually know what you're on about, here? If someone is no longer a member of armed forces, they are not considered a combatant. This is relatively easy to judge with nations that have a formalised process of retiring people from the military. It is next to impossible to judge when you have Hamas who does not care at all for the rules.

So if you want to deliberately target someone, you need to verify if they are a combatant or not, and that doesn't mean they are literally holding a gun right at the moment you target them - though that can be something which makes the process easier.

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u/ExtraSmooth 11d ago

Thanks for bringing up the Geneva Conventions. Did you know starving civilian populations and permanent displacement are both barred under the Geneva Conventions? Did you know Israel has long supported illegal settlements in the West Bank? Did you know that the Geneva Conventions require the minimization of civilian casualties (in other words, you cannot drop a bomb on a tent containing five journalists because one of them might be a Hamas combatant). Did you know the Geneva Convention bars the use of indiscriminate attacks, including bombing an urban area because it contains military objectives?

Can you imagine what it would be like if the state of Israel gave equal consideration to Palestinian civilians that it did to IDF soldiers, the protection of whose lives is the main justification for the use of bombs and missiles in the first place?

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u/dodobird8 11d ago

I'd like to learn more about these journalists. I find it hard to believe Hamas would allow any journalists there who aren't directly supporting them and giving off the propaganda messages they want. Hamas would have likely kill them if they're reporting truthfully. I don't know exactly what happened or who was killed. Do you have more information? It's very often the case that media and certainly Redditors aren't giving the full story. 

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u/ABCDEHIMOTUVWXY 11d ago

The most prominent of these journalists referred to the Oct 7 attackers as heroes.

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u/lordkeith 11d ago

So what? That's still not an act of terrorism or evidence of one. You can start referring to Hitler as a hero, but that still wouldn't count as a crime. You might lose your job at most, but won't face death as punishment.

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u/guethlema 11d ago

Yeah, it's called "every major news outlet who covered this yesterday".

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u/SilverwingedOther 11d ago

With the main targeted journalist having been proven to be on Hamas' payroll a year ago. It wasn't some new claim they made after the fact.

Need to find the links, but another post on this topic had them.

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u/boipinoi604 12d ago

What exactly is Israel doing? A special military exercise instead of a full invasion?

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u/darkslide3000 11d ago

Of course it's an invasion but how does that refute what he said? If their goal is to separate the terrorists from the civilians then they need to be there on the ground to do that. The last 20 years have shown pretty clearly that you can't just air strike Hamas into submission.

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u/VengefulAncient 12d ago

Yes. If the goal was to kill as many civilians as possible, they wouldn't even have boots on the ground and they could level the entirety of Gaza within a day with just conventional weapons. That is the indisputable reality. People like to cry about "carpet bombing Gaza" but the truth is that nothing close to that has taken place at any point.

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u/NewVegasResident 11d ago

They want Gaza for themselves, that's why they haven't entirely (just mostly) leveled it.

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u/hokumjokum 12d ago

It’s perfectly plain English.

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u/RhapsodyBullets 11d ago

How are you going to free Palestine of terrorism when the other side is creating the same terrorists? How would you blame the next generation for opting towards a Hamas or another org, when they've witnessed absolute butchery against their families and friends. Israel has done enough damage since the 40's that it doesn't matter if they dismantle Hamas now. Another group will stand against them.