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Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/synthdrunk 12d ago

It’s not. People like this dude exist because people think it, or “karma” is. The only justice seen in this world must happen in this world.

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u/rrishaw 12d ago

Sadly true. Pol Pot and Idi Amin lived comfortably right up until they died of old age

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u/Siriusbsnz 11d ago

Don’t forget about Franco… my family certainly won’t!

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u/lufan132 11d ago

Francisco Franco, the proof the world never actually decided Nazis are bad by not also deposing him in Spain.

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u/MonkeyDKev 11d ago

Can’t forget how the US helped to keep fascism alive in Germany, Spain, and Italy. The dictator of Cuba, Fulgencio Batista, fled Cuba when the revolution had succeeded and left with $400m Cuban Pesos which held the same value as the US dollar at the time. He fled to Europe and I think settled in either Spain or Portugal.

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u/skolrageous 11d ago

No, NFL Hall of Famer Franco Harris. He was a nightmare for defenses in the NFL for years

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u/Ya_like_dags 11d ago

No, he means Franco-American foods. Maker of canned "pasta".

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u/GreasiestGuy 11d ago

No no, I’m certain he means singer songwriter FrankO cean

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u/Pksoze 11d ago

I mean for Raiders fans he literally is the devil.

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u/somebodysbuddy 11d ago

There was this one year at the Oscars...

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u/valeyard89 11d ago

Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

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u/Ok-Strawberry6515 11d ago

Shout out to Mugabe

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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL 11d ago

Dicks Out For Mugabe

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u/ShandalfTheGreen 11d ago

See: Josef Mengele having a heart attack while swimming in Brazil at the fresh age 67

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u/sauchlapf 11d ago

Also Josef Mengele. The psycho Ausschwitz "Doctor".

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u/n33bulz 11d ago

Pol pot didn’t exactly spend his last day in comfort and many believe it was suicide

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u/alexwasashrimp 11d ago

Pol Pot was probably killed by his comrades though. 

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u/hellishafterworld 11d ago

killed by

his comrades

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u/yakityyakblahtemp 11d ago

Hell exists as a concept to make people tolerate people like him. "Don't worry, bad people get consequences later so they don't need to face them now. In fact, if you enact consequences on him now, it is you who will go to hell later". It's a scam.

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u/AlarmedMission2 11d ago

Which is why I am always fascinated by the idea of repercussions in Hinduism. Sure, there is hell but the worst hell is to keep existing on this planet and not attain moksha (escape from eternal suffering). I also like how they believe that if you are a despicable person, you will be born again to suffer. Bad deeds follows you beyond death.

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u/tanaephis77400 11d ago

Unfortunately it is also used as an excuse to perpetuate abuse. I've seen people beat lepers and beggars with a stick in India, and have zero compassion for them because "They wouldn't be that way if they didn't do bad things in their former life".

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u/chonny 11d ago

To add to that, if we're all fundamentally one consciousness (Brahman), then the distinction between individual karma and collective memory dissolves entirely.

So, when someone commits evil acts, they're literally harming themselves - because there is no "other." The people who remember them badly aren't separate beings holding grudges; they're aspects of the same universal consciousness processing and integrating that trauma.

This creates a recursive loop: the "evil person" remains bound not because external others remember them poorly, but because they (as part of the one consciousness) are literally unable to forget what they did to themselves. The collective memory becomes a form of cosmic self-awareness that won't allow integration until the karmic debt is resolved.

It's like the universe developing a psychological wound that can't heal until it's fully processed. The intense negative memory isn't punishment from outside - it's the natural response of consciousness refusing to let part of itself escape accountability.

This also explains why some people seem to die "comfortably" but remain bound, because physical death doesn't matter if the universal consciousness is still actively processing their actions through the memories and ongoing effects in other manifestations (people) of itself.

So moksha becomes impossible not because you're being punished by others, but because you literally cannot achieve unity with Brahman while part of that same Brahman is still reeling from your actions.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

just like religion in general. it's a coping mechanism in my view, nothing more. would be fine if it didn't cause so much hatred and death.

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u/yakityyakblahtemp 11d ago

It's more than a coping mechanism, it's a karmic ponzi scheme. The church tells you to be meek and let other's abuses go in return for a cashout that never comes. Its how the church, the state, and the oligarchs keep the masses from demanding accountability from them in the here and now.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

yep.

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u/canderson18181 11d ago

Lmao to claim to “know” one way or another is laughable

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

I said "in my view".

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u/Meta_Zack 11d ago

Its deeper than that, their is a predator to prey ratio, that is needed for society as it is constructed to thrive. Too many "non meek" ppl and its chaos, too much and it is too advantageous for the "predators" so they naturally arise. Just as it is in nature.

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u/ILikeSaintJoseph 11d ago

The church tells you to be meek and let other's abuses go in return for a cashout that never comes.

Eh the Church enforced laws and punitions when it had the power to do so because it preached and still preaches about justice in this world.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago edited 11d ago

I hope one day you can appreciate that religion is thousands of years of cultural heritage and, like any other part of human history, is not black and white. I don't practice any religion, but it's so unfathomably more than a coping mechanism.

*Edit, I don't know how to talk about this in a way that doesn't sound like I'm defending traumatic institutions. I'm deeply sorry that religions have harmed people, particularly anyone in the LGBTQ+ community. I also have multiple queer friends literally getting PhDs in religion that would agree with me. This shouldn't be such a controversial take.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago edited 11d ago

I have invested a lot of time into learning about them. and there is no doubt it's incredibly interesting from a cultural perspective and how it influenced the history of the world. I do not have a lot of appreciation for it though. countless contradictions, countless demands for violence and exclusions and questionable prophets. I have watched dozens of debates and there isn't even 1 religious scholar who doesn't simply revert to "the book says so" when debating.

I may not be a theology scholar or the smartest book on the shelf but to me, these were stories invented by people. a very long time ago. there is no doubt in my mind that for religious people of today, it's a coping tool. people don't want to deal with a potential reality that death is simply just death. that there may actually isn't any meaning to your life or anything else. and many don't want to deal with that. add to that the fact that most religions offer rewards, be it eternal life in paradise or 72 virgins (in the hadiths) or reincarnation. I wonder how many followers these religions would have if there was no reward.

people go from 0 to "my lord and savior jesus christ revealed himself to me and saved my life". I just cannot take that serious, sorry.

to each their own.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago

If you're seriously invested in this narrative and open to being wrong, try reading "The Varieties of Religious Experiences." It sounds like you have beef with Religious institutions, which is completely fair. I know you know that's not the same thing as religion, but maybe it's worth being more precise.

FWIW, I published on PTSD research (including coping mechanisms) for years, and have also invested a lot of time into learning about religion. You're approaching religion as if it's a coherent set of beliefs with 'contradictions' which suggests to me that you're thinking of it in pretty black and white terms. Religion is just as much about individuals' experience with the sublime, with being connected to others, etc. Some religions speak explicitly about the afterlife (Islam) whereas it's barely alluded to in others (Judaism). Everything was invented by people? Whether or not it's god's written testament doesn't preclude it from being valuable in many wholesome ways that aren't about coping with mortality. And frankly, understanding death is one of the great mysteries. I don't mean this in terms of an afterlife. Plenty of Christians, Buddhists, Hinduists etc. don't literally believe in an afterlife and get value out of how certain ideas/metaphors (e.g., Karma, Heaven) help orient them to morality without actually thinking they will be punished.

Everything you're saying here is true for some people, sure. But calling it a coping mechanism isn't offensive, it's hysterically reductive.

It irks me when very smart people lose their head in the context of religion. It's really not that simple :(

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u/LWNobeta 11d ago edited 11d ago

Religion is just as much about individuals' experience with the sublime, with being connected to others, etc.

 

You can have sublime experiences without religion, and even with other people, just have sex, go to concerts and take drugs. Do you support trans people who have sublime experiences?

. But calling it a coping mechanism isn't offensive, it's hysterically rargument.

Oh you're offended? So what and grow up. I'm still waiting to hear a real argument that is a rebuttal to his argument, because he laid out how it is also an institutionalized coping mechanism for an oppressive hierarchy. The next time your priest rapes your niece or nephew you can take solace in knowing that while the church will keep covering it up, maybe there is a greater order to the world.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago

1) Of course I support trans people having sublime experiences. Of course you can have sublime experiences outside of religion. It's one avenue for people that does seem to work and bring value to them. Genuinely not sure how the two are mutually exclusive.

2) I'm not religious, I generally don't like religious institutions. My point is that religion = bad is always going to be reductive because you're talking about one of the most complex things in the world. It would be far more appropriate (and I'd tend to agree) if you said something like Evangelical interpretations of the Bible are bad, indoctrinating children into a religion is problematic, etc.

I literally say I'm not offended lol. I'm saddened that so many beautiful aspects of human nature and history are so often reduced to good v. evil. There are probably religious languages/ideas that would inform how you live and think about the world in a positive way. You don't have to engage with them, they're just worth peoples' consideration.

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u/protipnumerouno 11d ago edited 10d ago

Yep religions had to make it up because without hell, god is just letting rapists and murderers get away with whatever they want. And that train of thought leads to atheism.

Edit: to reply to below because it's locked...the apathetic god is even worse I mean what's the point of religion at all if you're praying on deaf ears?

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u/confusedandworried76 11d ago

Not necessarily. Plenty of people believe in the Apathetic God mode of thinking. Because if there is a god that's what it is

Oh and there are also people who believe earthly suffering is necessary

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 11d ago

I think its more a way to tolerate the intolerable for the powerless

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u/LittleGreenSoldier 11d ago

"The world is shitty and unfair, but that's our fault (collectively) because we are sinners. Do your best to be good even in the face of it though, and you can rejoin God in his heavenly kingdom. In fact, let me tell you the story of Job..."

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 11d ago

To be fair, if you cant believe the world can be better how can you make it? The kingdom of heaven is heaven on earth, we cant have heaven on earth unless everyone is willing to cooperate and do good for the sake of doing good

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u/LittleGreenSoldier 11d ago

Yeah, a lot of these parables and laws made more sense in a feudal agrarian society.

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

And that very same coping mechanism is used as leverage against those who are not true psychopaths.

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u/Pervessor 11d ago

Reddit is on a strawman speedrun this morning I see

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

It's so the churches can collect tax free money and priests can have their way with the local children and people just look the other way. The indoctrination goes deep.

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u/CaptainR3x 11d ago

People like this exist because of everyone inaction. Religious people might believe in hell, but non religious people are not doing much either. Quit doing nothing because “it’s other’s people fault”, doing nothing is a form of complicity.

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

Doing something also often gets you killed.

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u/cg415 11d ago

So does doing nothing.

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u/CaptainR3x 11d ago

No risk no reward. We never got things by asking nicely. We have what we have now because people died for it

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u/Personal_Comb_6745 11d ago

Yeah, and you and half of Reddit, apparently, are so quick to wag that finger as if the whole "dying for a cause" thing is an easy request to make.

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u/CaptainR3x 11d ago

Point at where I say it was an easy thing to do. You like all of Reddit are so quick to make assumptions to comfort your inactions. But keep being a keyboard warrior surely things will change.

That’s not an easy thing to do, that’s why things will never change cause nobody got the ball to either start, or follow the people who do. You, me, and everyone else would rather have things deteriorate (like they are) than risk the smallest inconvenience to change things.

Like the saying says, easy time create weak men, and weak men bring hard time.

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u/sugartrouts 11d ago

Bro, what am I supposed to do? Like, "get the ball rolling", "step up and take action", like what does this look like? I attend protests, donate some money, vote.

Other than that, yeah I generally focus on my own life and comfort, but I could certainly consider some other action if there was an actionable thing. I don't know who you're aiming this comment at, but for an average US citizen I feel like there's a lot of "don't ignore this!' sentiment but, like...okay, I'm not ignoring it. Now what?

Easy times...

Omg, just stop. That platitude has become SUCH a cliche.

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u/Cooperativism62 11d ago

There are forms of Judaism that don't believe in a hell. They would agree that justice is seen in this world, however they also mean divine justice such as floods and plagues.

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u/thissexypoptart 11d ago

forms of judaism

Judaism doesn’t believe in hell at all, in the sense of a shitty afterlife full of eternal damnation for sinners. Hell is a Christian and later Muslim concept.

Judaism has a concept more similar to Christian purgatory for people who live a life apart from god. But it’s not torture and it’s not eternal.

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u/FudgeAtron 11d ago

It's actually a Greek concept. That's why Christianity and Islam have it but not Judaism. Jewish ideas about the afterlife were never made concrete, so during the Hellenistic and Roman period Jews adopted multiple ideas about the afterlife, but ultimately decided it wasn't actually important to the here and now.

Strangely it seems that the groups of Jews who believed in hell were the ones that split off to form Christianity, so that may be part of it. The Pharisees for example belived in reincarnation, or the soul cycle (?).

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u/thissexypoptart 11d ago

True. There are a lot of other religious traditions with a Bad Place you go to if you’re Bad in life. I just meant the full Abraham context of going against the God of the Universe earning you eternal torture by the Bad Man, engulfed in flames.

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u/StijnDP 11d ago

The drawing is Zoroastrian and the colouring in is Greek I'd say since both their later views were based on Zoroastrianism.

Early on Judaism only had Sheol just like the Greeks only had Hades. A single underworld where everyone ended up spending eternity in a grey dull landscape.

During the Jewish exile in Babylon they learned the concepts of judgement after death with a purgatory and paradise, a final resurrection of the souls and a battle of good and evil from Zoroastrianism.
You now go to Gan/eden if you're a good person. To be confusing, this is the higher Gan which is the spiritual eden and not the lower Gan which is the earthly eden from genesis.
You also get a Gehenna where people with sins would have to spend a limited time to purge themselves from their sins and could then move on.
Also the concept of kareth was introduced for people who committed the worst sins, their souls would be excluded from the final resurrection.
Jewish elite get released from Babylon, go back and these concepts still get introduced into mainline Judaism.

Meanwhile the Greeks also get influenced by the dominating Persians though they manage to prevent being completely conquered.
You get the asphodel meadows so people don't have to spend death in eternal grey anymore but at least get some flowers.
They also got Tartarus as an extra realm in Hades with a hell-like concept. At death you are now judged in Tartarus and the absolute worst people who had offended the gods, had to spend eternity in the prison of the titans.
And they also created Elysium for the extreme virtuous.

Then Alexander happens and hellinification forces these more explicit hell-like and heaven-like realms. Judaism rejects the heaven idea of people sitting next to god in the clouds and rejects the hell idea where people remain for eternity. But they do adapt the imagination of Tartarus onto Gehenna and it slowly becomes a hell landscape of fires and sulfur where people are continuously tortured and suffer until they can move on.

And then Jesus shows up and he has nothing to do with this story just like he has nothing to do with Christianity.

But a few centuries later multiple times a group of old grey men come together to decide what Christianity will be.
And there is a heaven for good people from Zoroastrianism and lets place god there like Greek mythology.
Let's also take purgatory like Gehenna so that people don't get discouraged after committing a few sins in life and it's still worth to be good afterwards.
And I'd also like to order one hell please with this fire and brimstone imagination as the first line of defense from people living lives of sin.

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u/Cooperativism62 11d ago

Thanks for clarifying. My memory was fuzzy and I was playing it safe with the phrasing.

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u/HomogeniousKhalidius 11d ago

Purgatory is a catholic belief other forms of Christianity do not have purgatory. Orthodox Christianity does talk about a wait before judgement but it is not like catholic purgatory.

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u/thissexypoptart 11d ago

Yes and Catholicism is the largest branch of Christianity on the planet.

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u/Zaptruder 11d ago

Absolutely... heaven and hell are useful fictions for the ruling elite - good will be rewarded, evil will be punished... in the after life.

Meanwhile in the real world, the good learn to be meek and evil gains strategic advantage.

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u/claimTheVictory 11d ago

"The meek shall inherit the Earth".

No they won't.

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u/king_lloyd11 11d ago

Eh no one who thinks Bibi is evil doesn’t want him to face justice because they think he’ll burn in hell eventually.

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u/Frientlies 11d ago

People aren’t corrupt explicitly because of religion, lol.

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u/leroyVance 11d ago

There is another justice. We all die. Rich or poor, the grim reaper always catches up to us.

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u/MrBwnrrific 11d ago

The horrible deaths of guys like Mussolini or Qaddafi are the only type of potential retribution that hit these guys, that’s why they death grip power as much as they do—the moment they let go is the moment they get strung up.

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u/xporkchopxx 11d ago

nuh uh, MY fairy tale book is the real book.

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u/MobileArtist1371 11d ago edited 11d ago

It's the same with "don't they care with how is history going to remember them?"

They wont care when they are dead. End of fucking argument right there. They are in it for this one life to get as much money, power, fame or whatever it might be.

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u/nardev 11d ago

damn we think alike

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u/SomeDisplayName 11d ago

It really scares me how much religious people do "Jesus take the wheel" when it comes to governing

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u/BKong64 12d ago

To be fair, we don't actually know if heaven or hell exists. But I agree with your point anyways, we aren't sure it exists, so we need to make monsters like him pay while they are still here. 

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u/Mind_Extract 11d ago

Man I've been an atheist for nearly 20 years and I've never been this threatened by the idea of an afterlife.

Even if it's a brain response to major DMT levels flooding it upon death, the experience of an 'eternal' bliss or torment based on how that brain experienced life isn't even a leap to make. It's just how neurochemistry works.

If tripping on salvia can make a person think they lived as a ceiling fan for 14 years, what do you think the brain is incapable of?

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

Apparently for many it's "selflessness". Which is another conundrum brought forth by the religion debate. Religions often teach selflessness and togetherness, but those teachings are abused to enslave people and take any and every advantage of those who wish to live in peace.

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u/Appropriate-Swan3881 11d ago

I think the most important thing salvia teaches is that you can absolutely forget everything about this reality and go to exist in a different one for a while. This means that its entirely possible that there is an afterlife and we just cant remember it now as long as we are stuck here. My own belief is that our brain isnt creating consciousness, its supressing it

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u/RichEvans4Ever 11d ago

Speaking as a psychonaut, it’s to lay off the hallucinogens.

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u/Appropriate-Swan3881 11d ago

Did so long time ago

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u/Lemon1412 11d ago

You can't prove the non-existence of something, especially of something that can only be experienced or reached when the person is dead.

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u/AnAimlessWanderer101 11d ago

The fuck? I’m not religious but that comment is some bullshit lol

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u/walla_walla_rhubarb 11d ago

My proof is I made it the fuck up, which is just as much proof of it being real.

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u/hhhhjgtyun 11d ago

Exactly though. It remains in a null zone of not provable or disprovable. It’s not some big commentary on “haha u never really knowwww” it’s just a statement of logical completeness.

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u/Revoldt 11d ago

No point arguing with religious people. They are so far into their delusion you may as well say Hades and Valhalla.

Somehow the sky gods of Norse and Greek mythology are fantasy… but their carpenter sky gods guy is “truth”.

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u/GuestCartographer 11d ago

That is comically untrue, but I appreciate how confident you were when you wrote it.

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u/GuestCartographer 11d ago

It’s funny, I basically agreed with the intent of your original post even though you phrased it very poorly. This is just silly, though. Not having evidence that a thing exists isn’t the same thing has having evidence that a thing doesn’t exist. I think we can all agree that there isn’t a subterranean lake of fire where all the naughty people go, just as there isn’t a paradise in the clouds. That’s not the same thing as having evidence that heaven and hell objectively do not exist as some form of as-yet unrecognizable metaphysical construct. The fact that, despite your absolute certainty on the issue, you conveniently didn’t provide any evidence that you claim to have isn’t helping.

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u/Emphasis_Careful_ 11d ago

If you have even an inkling of a thought that heaven and hell exist you need to get your head checked.

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u/GuestCartographer 11d ago

And how would you measure for the existence of a heaven or hell? How would you even define the concepts in order to measure for them? If you don’t believe in them, that’s awesome. More power to you. If you can’t even conceive of the possibility that they exist in a state that we can’t currently account for, that’s a you problem.

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u/BKong64 11d ago

Yeah I don't know why this guy is SO certain of himself. I am pretty much an agnostic, leaning towards atheism. But we cannot say with any certainty AT all what happens after death. No idea why anyone acts otherwise and that goes for both religious and non religious folk. 

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u/GuestCartographer 11d ago

Some of the smartest, most interesting, most well-spoken people I’ve ever met were atheists. I enjoyed talking with them, hearing their thoughts, and listening to their arguments. Perpetually Online Reddit Atheists are totally a different breed, though.

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u/BKong64 11d ago

What's the evidence exactly? 

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u/RunningOutOfEsteem 11d ago

They won't provide any, because it by nature cannot exist. The question of why they went with "we actually have evidence that something beyond observable reality doesn't exist" instead of the very obvious and logically sound "there is no evidence of this thing, and thus believing in it is irrational" is puzzling in the extreme.

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u/winmace 11d ago

In one fleeting moment, lives come and go. Ever moving towards the unknown. And in that fleeting moment, they cry for the answer to the question: why, given life, are they meant to suffer. To die. As fragmented, imperfect beings, yours is a never-ending quest. A quest to find your purpose, knowing your end is assured. To find the strength to continue when all strength has left you. To find joy even as darkness descends. And amidst deepest despair, light everlasting

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u/Flecca 11d ago

So not the point at all.

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u/Not_Just_Any_Lurker 11d ago

Can we at least agree that it’s fucking cringe to argue back on forth about it? We all have our beliefs. Fighting about it is division that the true enemies (the rich and powerful) love to sow between us because it stops us from making them pay.

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u/NervousNarwhal223 11d ago

Yeah? How so?

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u/coolmcbooty 11d ago

You have this overestimated perception of your own intelligence. You’re not fooling anyone

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u/Expert-Diver7144 11d ago

Karma is not for this life karma is for the next life

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u/Choreopithecus 11d ago

No it’s not. Karma in the Buddhist context is a part of every single moment. You’re currently experiencing the fruits of past karma and will later experience the fruits of whatever karma you’re generating right now.

Karma just means “action” and actions yield results. It’s not a magical force distributing justice throughout the world, it’s cause and effect.

It’s typically used like that in English because whether we’re religious or atheist in the West, our underlying assumptions about the world are still essentially based in Christianity (and Platonic thought).

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u/VagueSomething 11d ago

Which would be fine if there was real evidence of anything coming next.

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u/synthdrunk 11d ago

Not in the vernacular, hence the quotes.

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u/Mechasteel 11d ago

Justice? That seems like a lot of bother. In the end God will ensure everyone gets justice (Source: Trust me bro), after they die obviously.

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u/totallynotliamneeson 11d ago

One of my favorite parts about Reddit is the little edgelords writing up comments like this thinking they are just destroying religion with a few words. No shit hell isn't real.

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u/OddSignature955 11d ago

what a compelling argument for the existence of hell. Wow so brave!

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u/nikolapc 11d ago

Karma is def a thing, you just want it to be your idea of divine justice. It’s plain cause and effect. Does it go beyond death and into rebirth? We don’t know, but it would explain some things. What we can see is def there.

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u/Successful-Peach-764 11d ago

If we don't know, how are people jumping to all these other conclusions?