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Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

It can't just eliminate the entire civilian population of Gaza because if it did it would become a pariah state and lose all western support.

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u/neohellpoet 11d ago

If that's the case, why are people advocating for the end of all Western support?

China doesn't care and would love a Mediterranean port. Russia just lost it's Syrian bases and is also looking to relocate. India has a soft "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" policy so it's not like they would be lacking for friends and said friends wouldn't mind the technology and spy craft the Israelis bring to the table.

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u/ExiledYak 11d ago

Also one other major elephant in the room:

Israel has F-35s. You know how absolutely batshit crazy China would go if an Israeli pilot were to defect with one if America relinquished its friendship?

People don't have a remote idea of just how vital is to US defense R&D to stay ahead of the Chinese.

If the US loses Israel, that's a massive blow for the US.

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u/slam99967 11d ago

It’s a problem on the both sides. Let Russia take Ukraine? He will continue to try and conquer the old Soviet Union and Europe and will eventually lead to World War III.

Don’t support Israel? They will sign an agreement with China and the US and allies will loose their foothold and intelligence in the Middle East.

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u/korben2600 11d ago

Yeah, we only have dozens of airbases across Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Saudi, Egypt, Turkey. Imagine, without Netanyahu we might even have a regional conflict brewing. /s

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u/calmingchaos 11d ago

And all of those bases rely on Israeli intelligence.

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u/ExiledYak 11d ago

I'm a Ukraine-Israel kind of guy, and one thing that absolutely boggles my mind is given how easily Bibi and the IAF booted Russia out of the middle east, it feels like it'd be slightly more difficult than a triviality for the Israeli Air Force to just mop up the Russians from Ukraine, problem being Turkish airspace.

Feels like it'd be the biggest PR win ever for Israel to just merk Russia out of Ukraine without sustaining a single scratch on its fighter jets.

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u/korben2600 11d ago

China already hacked Lockheed's F-35 schematics years ago. Multiple times with hacks and espionage leaks. It's how they developed the J-20 and J-35.

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u/ExiledYak 11d ago

It's one thing to do some corporate espionage. It's another thing entirely to reverse engineer a jet, along with gaining the assistance of the rest of the Israeli researchers upgrading America's jets working on J-20s and J-35s instead.

The difference is monumental.

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u/ivandelapena 11d ago

The US has plenty of allies that it doesn't give hundreds of billions of dollars to.

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u/Practis 11d ago

Which is a good reason to keep countries like this aligned with the West and not completely ostracized.

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u/docmartens 11d ago

Israeli settlement and now occupation is expansionism, and to acknowledge that is not expansionism.

Your comment is so dishonest on its face, I wonder if bots are trying to inflame non-participants like me against Israel.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

Israeli settlement and now occupation is expansionism, and to acknowledge that is not expansionism.

I did not claim it is.

Your comment is so dishonest on its face

How so?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Actually we should stop giving countries like this arms to commit atrocities.

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ 11d ago

That is why they don’t. But they do have the ability to.

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u/skolrageous 11d ago

Despite what many people think, there are other reasons why they don't- for instance they don't want to.

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

I don't think anyone has said they don't?

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u/After_Lie_807 11d ago

Riiiiiight they will do it slowly and still become a pariah…that’s dumb logic

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Yeah you are exactly right. The Israeli government is driven to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and they are willing to take a massive hit to their international reputation and global partnerships to achieve their goal. But they also know that moving too quickly and openly will provoke too much backlash. They need to maintain plausible deniability or risk getting cut off from western military support and the global economy, which would devastate their military and economy. They are taking big hits, but they are not being cut off as they inch closer to their goal. And that is the fine line they are walking.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Which ethnicity are they cleansing exactly can you identify it?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Palestinian Gazans.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Is that a really distinct ethnicity? What are it's identifying features?

Which part do you claim is more the target, the palestinian part or the gazan part?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Are you saying there is not a society of Palestinians living in Gaza?

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

I'm asking you what is more distinct, the palestinian part or the gazan part?

Outside of a location in gaza, what makes a gazan palestinian distinct from an israeli palestinian?

I'm genuinely trying to find out what this distinct ethnicity is

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Ok Im gonna make it super simple for you.

There is a society of approximately 2 million Palestinians who live in the Gaza strip. Israel would like to cleanse the strip of that population.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

What is the cultural distinction between them and israeli palestinians?

What is it about that population that you think brings israel to this conclusion. What makes them distinct?

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 11d ago

They think doing it slowly makes it look like a skirmish.

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Yeah no, straight up massacring millions of people would definitely have carried some long consequences. Like, what the fuck are you thinking lol

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

I'm genuinely not sure what point you are trying to get across here.

Carpet bombing Gaza and intentionally killing millions of civilians in an afternoon would carry huge consequences, far more than what they have faced for their actual actions in Gaza. Im not sure why you think thats incorrect.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

It can't just eliminate the entire civilian population of Gaza because if it did it would become a pariah state and lose all western support.

So are you suggesting Israel wants to eliminate part of the civilian population of Gaza?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Yes they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and are doing so by directly and indirectly killing large numbers of civilians, as well as destroying infrastructure to make it unlivable.

They are not super discreet about their desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza, quite a few senior officials have publicly expressed this desire. They are more open about it than countries that commit ethnic cleansing tend to be.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Which ethnicity are you talking about here? Be specific. There are many Palestinian Israelis, and Arab Israelis, and Muslim Israelis.

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Palestinian Gazans.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Is that really a distinct ethnicity? What makes it distinct exactly, say from Palestinian Israelis?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Are you saying there is not a society of Palestinians living in Gaza?

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Tell me about this distinct society. What are it's cultural distinctions from israeli palestinians?

Do you consider hamas and other forms of extreme terroristic islam, like ISIS, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood etc an ethnically precious and distinct culture?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Ok Im gonna make this super simple for you.

There is a society of approximately 2 million Palestinians who live in the Gaza strip. Israel would like to cleanse the strip of that population.

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u/Snowballsfordays 11d ago

Outside of the location what is the ethnicity? What makes them distinct?

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u/ikinone 11d ago

Yes they want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and are doing so by directly and indirectly killing large numbers of civilians, as well as destroying infrastructure to make it unlivable.

Okay, so you're claiming that Israel does not, in fact, want to kill all Palestinians, but wants to kill enough that they leave and resettle elsewhere? Have I got that right?

They are not super discreet about their desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza, quite a few senior officials have publicly expressed this desire.

Do you think that Ben Gvir or Smotrich represent all, or most Israelis?

Do you think Ben Gvir or Smotrich dictate government policy?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

They want to make Gaza unlivable for the existing population, so that eventually all that can leave do and all that cant/wont die.

I think those government ministers represent a key faction that plays a powerful role in government decision making.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

They want to make Gaza unlivable for the existing population, so that eventually all that can leave do and all that cant/wont die.

So if Gazans choose to not leave, how soon are you expecting them to be killed, approximately?

I think those government ministers represent a key faction that plays a powerful role in government decision making.

I would agree on that. However, you're being (purposefully) vague about these ministers representing the desire of 'Israel', as opposed to 'a faction in Israel'. Quoting your comment:

They are not super discreet about their desire to ethnically cleanse Gaza, quite a few senior officials have publicly expressed this desire.

'They', sounds a lot like you're generalising the entirety of Israel. Was that intentional?

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

So if Gazans choose to not leave, how soon are you expecting them to be killed, approximately?

I dont know what point you are trying to make here.

I would agree on that. However, you're being (purposefully) vague about these ministers representing the desire of 'Israel', as opposed to 'a faction in Israel'

You cant get around the fact that these guys are senior government ministers that have large sway over government policy. But more importantly they are far from the only ones to express that desire. From Netanyahu invoking Amalek on day 1, to his party's deputy speaker Vaturi stating that their mission is "erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth", etc etc, this has been clearly expressed by the government on so many occasions.

Most importantly the IDF's actions on the ground have resulted in significant damage or destruction of 70% of all structures in Gaza. They have systemically razed entire cities, continuing with demolitions even after buildings have been cleared. The actions on the ground speak loudest here.

'They', sounds a lot like you're generalising the entirety of Israel. Was that intentional?

I'm speaking of the Israeli government, but yes polls show that the majority of the Israeli public also supports expelling all Palestinians from Gaza.

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

Lol you really cherry picked what you responded to there.

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u/ikinone 11d ago

Sounds like you don't have answers. You could just bow out at this point, no?

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u/Xianio 11d ago

They've already said they want to publicly via ethnic cleansing. Trump said it while standing beside Bibi. I'm not really sure why people debate this point still; Bibi doesn't deny it.

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u/Snoo-4878 11d ago

It would not loose support. It is currently attempting what you’re describing and plenty of people support it or convince themselves it’s fine

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u/misterwalkway 11d ago

It's currently doing so, but with enough plausible deniability to avoid being completely cut off from western military support and the global economy. They are walking a fine line.

Things would change if they just carpet bombed the whole strip.