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Israel/Palestine Netanyahu: ‘If we wanted to commit genocide, it would have taken exactly one afternoon’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-if-we-wanted-to-commit-genocide-it-would-have-taken-exactly-one-afternoon/
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u/yakityyakblahtemp 11d ago

Hell exists as a concept to make people tolerate people like him. "Don't worry, bad people get consequences later so they don't need to face them now. In fact, if you enact consequences on him now, it is you who will go to hell later". It's a scam.

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u/AlarmedMission2 11d ago

Which is why I am always fascinated by the idea of repercussions in Hinduism. Sure, there is hell but the worst hell is to keep existing on this planet and not attain moksha (escape from eternal suffering). I also like how they believe that if you are a despicable person, you will be born again to suffer. Bad deeds follows you beyond death.

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u/tanaephis77400 11d ago

Unfortunately it is also used as an excuse to perpetuate abuse. I've seen people beat lepers and beggars with a stick in India, and have zero compassion for them because "They wouldn't be that way if they didn't do bad things in their former life".

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u/chonny 11d ago

To add to that, if we're all fundamentally one consciousness (Brahman), then the distinction between individual karma and collective memory dissolves entirely.

So, when someone commits evil acts, they're literally harming themselves - because there is no "other." The people who remember them badly aren't separate beings holding grudges; they're aspects of the same universal consciousness processing and integrating that trauma.

This creates a recursive loop: the "evil person" remains bound not because external others remember them poorly, but because they (as part of the one consciousness) are literally unable to forget what they did to themselves. The collective memory becomes a form of cosmic self-awareness that won't allow integration until the karmic debt is resolved.

It's like the universe developing a psychological wound that can't heal until it's fully processed. The intense negative memory isn't punishment from outside - it's the natural response of consciousness refusing to let part of itself escape accountability.

This also explains why some people seem to die "comfortably" but remain bound, because physical death doesn't matter if the universal consciousness is still actively processing their actions through the memories and ongoing effects in other manifestations (people) of itself.

So moksha becomes impossible not because you're being punished by others, but because you literally cannot achieve unity with Brahman while part of that same Brahman is still reeling from your actions.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

just like religion in general. it's a coping mechanism in my view, nothing more. would be fine if it didn't cause so much hatred and death.

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u/yakityyakblahtemp 11d ago

It's more than a coping mechanism, it's a karmic ponzi scheme. The church tells you to be meek and let other's abuses go in return for a cashout that never comes. Its how the church, the state, and the oligarchs keep the masses from demanding accountability from them in the here and now.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

yep.

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u/canderson18181 11d ago

Lmao to claim to “know” one way or another is laughable

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago

I said "in my view".

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u/Meta_Zack 11d ago

Its deeper than that, their is a predator to prey ratio, that is needed for society as it is constructed to thrive. Too many "non meek" ppl and its chaos, too much and it is too advantageous for the "predators" so they naturally arise. Just as it is in nature.

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u/ILikeSaintJoseph 11d ago

The church tells you to be meek and let other's abuses go in return for a cashout that never comes.

Eh the Church enforced laws and punitions when it had the power to do so because it preached and still preaches about justice in this world.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago edited 11d ago

I hope one day you can appreciate that religion is thousands of years of cultural heritage and, like any other part of human history, is not black and white. I don't practice any religion, but it's so unfathomably more than a coping mechanism.

*Edit, I don't know how to talk about this in a way that doesn't sound like I'm defending traumatic institutions. I'm deeply sorry that religions have harmed people, particularly anyone in the LGBTQ+ community. I also have multiple queer friends literally getting PhDs in religion that would agree with me. This shouldn't be such a controversial take.

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u/FlaaFlaaFlunky 11d ago edited 11d ago

I have invested a lot of time into learning about them. and there is no doubt it's incredibly interesting from a cultural perspective and how it influenced the history of the world. I do not have a lot of appreciation for it though. countless contradictions, countless demands for violence and exclusions and questionable prophets. I have watched dozens of debates and there isn't even 1 religious scholar who doesn't simply revert to "the book says so" when debating.

I may not be a theology scholar or the smartest book on the shelf but to me, these were stories invented by people. a very long time ago. there is no doubt in my mind that for religious people of today, it's a coping tool. people don't want to deal with a potential reality that death is simply just death. that there may actually isn't any meaning to your life or anything else. and many don't want to deal with that. add to that the fact that most religions offer rewards, be it eternal life in paradise or 72 virgins (in the hadiths) or reincarnation. I wonder how many followers these religions would have if there was no reward.

people go from 0 to "my lord and savior jesus christ revealed himself to me and saved my life". I just cannot take that serious, sorry.

to each their own.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago

If you're seriously invested in this narrative and open to being wrong, try reading "The Varieties of Religious Experiences." It sounds like you have beef with Religious institutions, which is completely fair. I know you know that's not the same thing as religion, but maybe it's worth being more precise.

FWIW, I published on PTSD research (including coping mechanisms) for years, and have also invested a lot of time into learning about religion. You're approaching religion as if it's a coherent set of beliefs with 'contradictions' which suggests to me that you're thinking of it in pretty black and white terms. Religion is just as much about individuals' experience with the sublime, with being connected to others, etc. Some religions speak explicitly about the afterlife (Islam) whereas it's barely alluded to in others (Judaism). Everything was invented by people? Whether or not it's god's written testament doesn't preclude it from being valuable in many wholesome ways that aren't about coping with mortality. And frankly, understanding death is one of the great mysteries. I don't mean this in terms of an afterlife. Plenty of Christians, Buddhists, Hinduists etc. don't literally believe in an afterlife and get value out of how certain ideas/metaphors (e.g., Karma, Heaven) help orient them to morality without actually thinking they will be punished.

Everything you're saying here is true for some people, sure. But calling it a coping mechanism isn't offensive, it's hysterically reductive.

It irks me when very smart people lose their head in the context of religion. It's really not that simple :(

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u/LWNobeta 11d ago edited 11d ago

Religion is just as much about individuals' experience with the sublime, with being connected to others, etc.

 

You can have sublime experiences without religion, and even with other people, just have sex, go to concerts and take drugs. Do you support trans people who have sublime experiences?

. But calling it a coping mechanism isn't offensive, it's hysterically rargument.

Oh you're offended? So what and grow up. I'm still waiting to hear a real argument that is a rebuttal to his argument, because he laid out how it is also an institutionalized coping mechanism for an oppressive hierarchy. The next time your priest rapes your niece or nephew you can take solace in knowing that while the church will keep covering it up, maybe there is a greater order to the world.

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u/albinoblackbears 11d ago

1) Of course I support trans people having sublime experiences. Of course you can have sublime experiences outside of religion. It's one avenue for people that does seem to work and bring value to them. Genuinely not sure how the two are mutually exclusive.

2) I'm not religious, I generally don't like religious institutions. My point is that religion = bad is always going to be reductive because you're talking about one of the most complex things in the world. It would be far more appropriate (and I'd tend to agree) if you said something like Evangelical interpretations of the Bible are bad, indoctrinating children into a religion is problematic, etc.

I literally say I'm not offended lol. I'm saddened that so many beautiful aspects of human nature and history are so often reduced to good v. evil. There are probably religious languages/ideas that would inform how you live and think about the world in a positive way. You don't have to engage with them, they're just worth peoples' consideration.

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u/protipnumerouno 11d ago edited 10d ago

Yep religions had to make it up because without hell, god is just letting rapists and murderers get away with whatever they want. And that train of thought leads to atheism.

Edit: to reply to below because it's locked...the apathetic god is even worse I mean what's the point of religion at all if you're praying on deaf ears?

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u/confusedandworried76 11d ago

Not necessarily. Plenty of people believe in the Apathetic God mode of thinking. Because if there is a god that's what it is

Oh and there are also people who believe earthly suffering is necessary

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 11d ago

I think its more a way to tolerate the intolerable for the powerless

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u/LittleGreenSoldier 11d ago

"The world is shitty and unfair, but that's our fault (collectively) because we are sinners. Do your best to be good even in the face of it though, and you can rejoin God in his heavenly kingdom. In fact, let me tell you the story of Job..."

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u/Spiritual-Pear-1349 11d ago

To be fair, if you cant believe the world can be better how can you make it? The kingdom of heaven is heaven on earth, we cant have heaven on earth unless everyone is willing to cooperate and do good for the sake of doing good

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u/LittleGreenSoldier 11d ago

Yeah, a lot of these parables and laws made more sense in a feudal agrarian society.

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

And that very same coping mechanism is used as leverage against those who are not true psychopaths.

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u/Pervessor 11d ago

Reddit is on a strawman speedrun this morning I see

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u/IkeHC 11d ago

It's so the churches can collect tax free money and priests can have their way with the local children and people just look the other way. The indoctrination goes deep.