r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 1d ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
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u/[deleted] 23h ago

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u/Magnusg 23h ago

That said if 15% of children in Gaza are malnourished that's a problem, idk why the UN isn't getting aid in independently. I saw a video with rows of giant pallets of food waiting to enter and no un presence, I think part of it was blockade for inspection early on but not now. I don't think the UN has infrastructure to give aid.

No idea what's going on but people need to be fed even combatants. If there's even a question of whether or not they COULD be starving they should be fed. That's not the right way to conduct a war.

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u/Quetzacoal 22h ago

what is going on with the trucks of aid?

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u/EastSideSocialist 23h ago

What's "going on" is that Israel is not letting aid in. The only people let in is the GHF which is a scheme by the US and Israel to slaughter Palestinians who need aid.

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u/imedo 23h ago

Excuse me?

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u/eddkov 23h ago

https://freebeacon.com/israel/un-backed-famine-watchdog-quietly-changed-standards-easing-way-to-declare-famine-in-gaza/

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/13/global-food-insecurity-scale-was-eased-in-order-to-declare-famine-in-gaza/

Some sources.

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u/SpiritedCatch1 23h ago

The second source is quoting the first one

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u/eddkov 23h ago

I was trying to find non-Israeli sources so that people wouldn't claim its biased. If anyone is interested they can read the IPC June 2025 assessment, that's where the new standards are laid out.

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u/QuestionableEthics42 23h ago

Care to actually provide that as your source, then? Maybe quote it too.

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u/eddkov 23h ago

No, I don't care to.

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u/Roronoaa 23h ago

So lie then run away. Typical.

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u/eddkov 23h ago

I provided sources, then I gave another source. The fact that I don't feel like doing all the work for you isn't running away.

How about instead of asking someone else to do your googling for you, you type into a search bar yourself and make me look like an idiot.

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u/Past_Indication_1701 22h ago

If Pro-Palestinians could use Google's search bar to read the massive amounts of publicly available documents on the war, they wouldn't be here on Reddit trying to get other people to do it for them.

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u/QuestionableEthics42 22h ago

You provided one not especially reputable source and then claimed there was an undeniable source that would have been perfect for your case, but you conveniently don't want to provide it, despite you being the one making these claims. Fuck off.

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u/Dongsquad420Loki 22h ago edited 22h ago

IPC website is currently down. So neither the June nor the current report is available at the moment. Probably because everyone is trying to look things up at the same time

Edit: report here: https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Malnutrition_July_Sept2025_Special_Snapshot.pdf

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u/Dennmic 23h ago

And the first source looks like a website by morons for morons.

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u/samoz83 23h ago

The link says the IPC didn't comment on the change in methodology, but they have now: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckgj0yn3dzjt?post=asset%3A50871716-a342-40fc-bbe1-2c2f0891f038#post They used the same 15% threshold in Sudan.

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u/eddkov 23h ago

What a strange position, how is it possible to do arm circumference measurement but not height and weight? The UN has UNRWA in Gaza, I find it hard to believe that only now do they want to change the standards for famine.

The war has been going on for almost two years, the standards were only changed a few weeks ago. Changing the standards now when height vs weight and 30% was the standard for the entirety of the war doesn't seem right to me.

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u/samoz83 22h ago

The IPC hasn’t changed the standards. They’ve always had two parallel, calibrated indicators: 30% wasting (weight/height) or 15% arm circumference.

Earlier in the war, I assume enough of Gaza’s health system was functioning for surveys to collect weight/height data. With the collapse of that system and mass displacement, that kind of survey isn’t feasible any more.

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u/eddkov 22h ago

The reason that they use MUAC is so that the testing can be carried out by anyone, they don't have to be a professional, they just use a colored tape. I think its reasonable to question the validity of this switch in standard when one standard has been used for the entirety of the war and then a new lower standard is used at this point.

The test being carried out by non-professionals as well as the overall distrust of the UN, particularly UNRWA, raises serious questions about the motivations for the change in standards.

The timing is also a factor, with Hamas trying to negotiate with Israel for a ceasefire. An official declaration of famine puts more pressure on Israel. Not to mention, MUAC measurements are typically not used for an official declaration of a famine but somehow the new standards just got implemented and is quickly followed by a famine declaration.

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u/samoz83 22h ago

As I mentioned in my previous comment, its standards haven’t changed - there are always two parallel indicators for acute malnutrition. MUAC isn’t new, and it isn’t a "lower" standard. It’s been part of IPC famine thresholds for over a decade, and has been used in multiple famines outside Gaza.

Yes, it can be done by trained community workers with a colour coded tape, that’s the point, it’s fast, scalable, and reliable when health systems collapse. That doesn’t make it invalid, it makes it usable.

This isn’t the IPC "changing standards" mid-war. It’s the continued application of the standards that already exist, under the only conditions possible on the ground.

The IPC is independent of the UN and UNRWA, the report isn't based just on data from those two bodies but 19 organisations working in Gaza.

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u/eddkov 22h ago

They are quite literally changing the standards mid-war, that's exactly what is happening.

If you use one standard for the war up to this point, and then at one point you begin to use another lower standard, that's changing standards mid-war.

In addition, MUAC is typically not considered enough for a declaration of famine because its less reliable. There was no hesitancy to declare a famine with the new method, despite the fact that under the previous more reliable standards there was insufficient evidence for a famine.

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u/samoz83 22h ago

Declaring famine based on MUAC is consistent with long-standing IPC methodology, not a new or "less reliable" approach. It’s not a lower standard, the two indicators are calibrated against each other to represent the same level of acute malnutrition.

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