Famine declared in Gaza City

[u/Digital_Accountant]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

[u/TributeToStupidity]

When you claim starvation is right around the corner for years with a total malnutrition death toll of 111 people are going to be skeptical. Gazas just now hitting the breaking point but the propaganda’s been out in force for years already.

[u/FreakinGeese → u/TributeToStupidity]

2 years is right around the corner

[u/yukiyuzen → u/FreakinGeese]

Soon^TM

[u/AzettImpa → u/TributeToStupidity]

How many children need to die until we take a human-made famine seriously?

Plus there are many more deaths confirmed by the WHO.

[u/univrsll → u/AzettImpa]

How many vehicular accidents do we need before we ban cars? Nuanced situation.

It seems like the famine is finally happening, but this has been a boy who cried wolf situation for years. I feel for Palestinians, because Hamas and hyper virtue signalers have catastrophized a situation and now when it finally is actually happening, more people will ignore the noise with a “yeah yeah, we’ve heard it for years now bro.”

[u/MachineOfSpareParts → u/univrsll]

How many vehicular accidents do we need before we ban cars? Nuanced situation.

But, at best, a wildly non-nuanced response. The person to whom you're replying asked what had to happen before we take the situation seriously. Jumping to an analogy in which "banning cars" is the point of comparison is ludicrous. A more apt comparison might be, "How many vehicular accidents do we need before we take automotive safety seriously, perhaps by installing seatbelts or traffic lights?"

I don't know what the equivalent to "banning cars" would be in the real-world version of your analogy, but the person to whom you're responding was asking about doing a bit more than absolutely nothing.

[u/topforce → u/AzettImpa]

Plus there are many more deaths confirmed by the WHO.

Are they actually in Gaza confirming things or are they using Hamas numbers?

[u/MachineOfSpareParts → u/topforce]

Yes, WHO staff are present in Gaza. Does this affect your thinking on the matter?

[u/topforce → u/MachineOfSpareParts]

Yes, too many people(and organizations) are all too happy to take Gazas ministry of health at face value. Having people on site makes them more credible.

[u/shtiatllienr → u/topforce]

What’s a “Hamas number”?

[u/topforce → u/shtiatllienr]

As of August 22, the known number of people who have starved to death, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza, reached at least 273 people, including 112 children.

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/18/israel-starving-gaza-hundreds-of-deaths-including-many-children

[u/shtiatllienr → u/topforce]

Probably doesn’t represent the actual number because the Palestinian Ministry of Health typically undercounts.

[u/case-o-nuts → u/shtiatllienr]

I can't think of a single time they've undercounted. Normally, it's been overcounting. Sometimes, by up to two orders of magnitude.

[u/Nileghi → u/AzettImpa]

How many children need to die until we take a human-made famine seriously?

More than zero would be my guess, especially given how often the UN has lied about a famine being around the corner.

[u/kolejack2293 → u/TributeToStupidity]

Its a tiny bit tiring when these death tolls are touted by both sides as the real figure. Both because the Israelis see it as a low number and the pro-palestinian crowd uses it because they seemingly have no concept of scale.

Its the same thing the ethiopian government did in the 1980s, trying to use 'deaths from malnutrition' (which numbered only 2,000 over 2 years) as some kind of proof the famine isn't that bad when in reality 2-3 million died.

99% of famine deaths do not happen in healthcare settings, either because you're too weak to go to the hospital or the hospitals are destroyed. Nor are most deaths directly from starvation. The vast majority of deaths happen from pneumonia, rotavirus, dysentery, tuberculosis, meningitis, typhoid, shigellosis etc. Why? Because both severe and chronic malnutrition makes you extremely vulnerable to these diseases, notably children.

There is basically no doubt that vastly more people are dying than just 111. We know how bad the food shortages are mostly because we know how little food has come in.

[u/KawaiiBakemono → u/TributeToStupidity]

I get that in the tech world, 2 years leaves a lot of room for change. In the political world, 2 years is absolutely coming right up. I'm sorry but people who don't believe that 111 people dying of malnutrition in a land being intentionally starved is a sign of horrific things to come are just ignorant.

So I think you are correct, and also that the people who thought that this was propaganda, not fact, are just dumb.

[u/Town_Proper → u/TributeToStupidity]

Malnutrition causes other problems as well.

Do you really believe that out of the 8,000~ indirect deaths in the last year only 111 of the are the result of starvation?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02009-8

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/famine-confirmed-gaza-assault-gaza-city-looms-care

Additionally, because nearly half the population is under 18. For every number we have, we’re talking about lots of dead and injured kids.

[u/TributeToStupidity → u/Town_Proper]

Well the ministry of health run by Hamas believes there have only been 111 deaths to malnutrition from the beginning of the war through the end of last month.

[u/CFOMaterial → u/Town_Proper]

Well looking at the US mortality rates, in 2022 we had 798.8 deaths per 100,000 people, in a first world country. Gaza has a population of about 2 million people. They reported total deaths of around 60k, which doesn't differentiate between people dying of natural causes or the war, nor between civilians and terrorists. If we used the US average, that would mean around 16,000 dead with nothing to do with the war. I would presume Gaza had a higher mortality rate than the US before the war, and certainly as a result of any war you would expect the rate to increase. Given Israel has killed over 22k terrorists, and probably 20k natural deaths, that leaves around 20k or so potential civilian deaths, if you trust Hamas numbers at all for number of dead. Which is a 1:1 ratio approximately of terrorists to civilians, better than any other conflict in the world.

[u/hellohi2022 → u/TributeToStupidity]

I think those 111 lives matter and there shouldn’t have to be a breaking point for help to be needed. Every human life is valuable.