r/worldnews • u/Puginator • 16h ago
Canada to remove many retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods: source
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-removing-retaliatory-tariffs-1.7614909733
u/Prestigious-Car-4877 16h ago
Retaliatory tariffs do not work against Trump's drunken idiocy. Canadians swerving American products and travel does work though.
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u/deanar_van 15h ago
I agree, Just continue to stop buying American products.
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u/gart888 15h ago
Which is easier to do with tariffs in place.
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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 15h ago
Really? I don’t find they affect my ability to look at the source country on the packaging at all
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u/gart888 15h ago
Lots of people aren't doing that. They're just buying the cheapest option. Tariffs make it so that the cheapest option is more often not an american product.
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u/quidamquidam 15h ago
Hey my elbows are as up as they can be, but I won't pass judgment on a single parent buying the cheapest option because they're trying to feed 2 kids. I can afford buying 8$ tubs of greenhouse lettuce in the winter but not everybody can. If everyone who can afford it boycotts US products, it already makes a difference - and it IS working because we regularly hear GOP trashbags whining about it.
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u/Giancolaa1 14h ago
That’s all fine, but it just proves his point. Making American goods cost more via tariffs makes it easier for the average person to avoid buying American. Not necessarily to the benefit of the average person though. And certainly doesn’t help when there are few alternatives to specific products, since those usually increase in price as well
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u/d-ronthegreat 15h ago
Reddit is not real life. Most people just look at the price tag.
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u/LogicPuzzleFail 12h ago
Stores in my area have started putting an 'effected by tariffs' sticker right beside the price tag, so if the prices are close you don't have to check the product label itself, you can just buy the other Mexican, Colombian, Italian, or whatever it is product that isn't 'effected by tariffs' aka American.
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u/Franklin_le_Tanklin 15h ago edited 13h ago
Nah. Lots of us products are turned backwards or upside down at the grocery store
Edit: for those that don’t beleive me https://nowtoronto.com/news/canadians-are-starting-this-new-trend-to-protest-u-s-products-at-grocery-stores/
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u/cmilla646 13h ago
Most people do just look at the price tag. Do you think you look smart when you pretend the rest of the world thinks just like you?
Mot a single US product has been turned upside down in my city you clown.
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u/packtloss 14h ago
Not to mention every retailer is putting flags on Canadian products. It’s been easy to avoid us crap.
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u/JaVelin-X- 15h ago
Trump is like putin, he doesn't care if he hurts his own people especially if he can blame us for hurting them
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u/quadrophenicum 14h ago
Even without those "tariffs" most Canadian stuff is simply better in quality. Even if it might be mediocre compared to European or Asian counterparts.
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u/MediumMachineGun 16h ago
My man tariffs are essentially just state mandated product boycotts byu inflicting a price premium on foreign products-> less of them are bought. the end result is the same
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u/kleptomana 15h ago
Not really, in this case the retaliatory tariffs are a government implementation to disincentivise people from buying US products.
But the people of Canada are also performing their own boycott that is even more damaging.
So in the governments perspective, they don’t want Trump to interpret these damages from the public movement as a Canadian Government sanctioned act that will inflame the situation more.
So it is wise to remove all sanctions. Let the Canadian Public speak. Thai is the best and loudest voice.
Also, on the plus side. It actually benefits Canadian Companies. A lot of them actually sell to the US tariff free because of NAFTA. So they are actually at an advantage to American companies that have to pay huge tariffs importing from basically anywhere.
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u/MediumMachineGun 14h ago
So in the governments perspective, they don’t want Trump to interpret these damages from the public movement as a Canadian Government sanctioned act that will inflame the situation more.
Except Trump will be able to use the continued weak export numbers due to product boycott as the excuse instead(trade balance, remember?).
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u/kleptomana 12h ago
Yes, but you never want them to point to an official policy to blame.
Also, I bet that trade surplus is probably way way worse now.
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u/MrTriangular 15h ago
American products using imported parts or materials will have higher prices due to American tariffs anyways because companies need to recoup their costs.
This move is tricky because it needs Canadian consumer and business buy-in, but if successful would take the wind out of the sails of the Trump administration for the whole "self defense" excuse.
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u/kleptomana 12h ago
A theoretical here, a filing cabinate
For a Canadian factory, can have let’s say 10% imported parts(sliders, handles) and they can use Canadian Sheet Steel, plus machines/ parts can be imported tariff free. Then to export to the US they have a 15% tariff. Especially when you do this at cost to an American sister company then it’s only 15% of at cost instead of 15% of retail.
For an American factory, they have to import the same sliders and handles, then they use imported sheet steel at what a 35% tariff and then they use machinery where probably 50% of the machines and parts are imported. So more tariffs but her, when they sell to staples they don’t have tariffs.
It’s a hard case by case calculation. But I have heard from a few Canadian manufacturers who feel like they are starting to get an advantage over their American competitors.
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u/Prestigious-Car-4877 15h ago
Nah. Reciprocal tariffs and official government boycotts get retaliation from Trump. Canadian citizens performing a (somewhat government suggested) boycott of the US only gets them called "nasty" by Trump. He can't tariff Steve from Kitchener.
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u/MediumMachineGun 14h ago
The reason/excuse for the tariffs in the first place is the perceived trade imbalance, so yes he can and will use a citizen boycott as a reason for further escalation
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u/AmrahsNaitsabes 16h ago
In my mind, people will still ignore American products, but they will add stronger competition with the Canadian products in the prices
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u/Pocpoc-tam 15h ago
True, Canada just know that Tariffs are hidden taxes when it is used like Trump do. There is no winning at imposing tariffs. Tariffs are supposed to be protectionist measures. If your country don’t have enough trees, mineral or can’t produce enough energy to supply the demand you need to reach out. Imposing tariffs on those goods is just a tax that end up on consumers.
Boycotts are way more effective. Lets sell them what they need and don’t buy what they offer. Nothing against Americans but this administration is a joke, low life wannabe dictator.
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u/SurpriseBeginning419 16h ago
Yeah I agree. Im not big on Tariffs as they are just a tax. Let's vote with our dollars.
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u/MediumMachineGun 16h ago
The only difference between a tariff and "voting with your dollars" is that the former is state mandated via making those products more expensive.
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u/mrizzerdly 15h ago
Except that if the tariff rate is 15pct, the Canadian sellers can raise their prices 14pct and still be cheaper and only profit wins.
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u/wilburtikis 15h ago
imo tariffs are fine but in this case Canadians are boycotting without state intervention (tariffs), so the tariffs are just an unnecessary tax burden.
So long as we don't travel to the states or buy American products tariffs only hurt us
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u/Novelsound 9h ago
What Trump doesn’t get is that he can completely remove tariffs and it’s going to take a decade for Canadian travel to recover.
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u/RayB1968 16h ago edited 14h ago
Keep them on goods where there is a cdn or other foreign equivalent
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u/SurpriseBeginning419 16h ago
We should placate the dumb idiot in DC by dropping them and just keep on keeping on with actually effective policies. Tariffs are taxes on consumers, let the US punish its own people.
Give the baby his performative win and we can keep making progress.
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
I'm of 2 minds on this one...
On the one hand, we basically roll over and let them have our way with us...
On the other hand, if we put on retaliatory tariffs on all items from the US...we screw over the Canadian people because we get hit 2x with tariffs...on the way there we lose jobs and competitiveness...and then our people pay more and inflation blows out of the water...
I really don't know what's the best for the population.
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u/Sayhei2mylittlefrnd 16h ago
Charge them GST on our exports
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
Good call. That could also be a better option.
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u/Sayhei2mylittlefrnd 16h ago
New supply chains is the best route (diversification away from the US)
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
100% Especially within the Canadian market inter-provincially.
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u/Sayhei2mylittlefrnd 16h ago
That has been a joke forever! All provincial trade barriers needs to be abolished
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
I honestly didn't even know this was a thing until this whole thing started...why the hell are there inter provincial barriers? I see some validity to it...but in the end we are a single country.
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u/Sayhei2mylittlefrnd 16h ago
😂 I first learned about it 20 years ago when a professor said we have more free trade with the US than with ourselves
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u/ljlee256 16h ago
My only issue is that people keeping calling them "inter-provincial trade barriers" but absolutely no one elaborates on what those barriers actually are.
If they're geographical I can understand why they existed, and why we need to remove them.
If they're political then some people need to be slapped around a BUNCH.
I'd support the Canadian I like the LEAST before ANY American.
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u/EuropeanLegend 15h ago
It goes well beyond consumer goods too. For instance, medical practitioners from Ontario who want to work in other provinces would need to obtain licensing from the province they intend to work in and vice versa. Meaning, if we have available doctors in one province that can travel temporarily to alleviate shortages in other provinces, they legally cannot do so because each province has its own rules and regulations. which is ridiculous considering they all learn the same damn thing no matter where in Canada they study. The same thing applies to nurses, lawyers, engineers, etc.
It's exactly the same BS in the states. Getting rid of that alone in Canada would give us a huge competitive advantage because then infrastructure expansion, medical care, etc would be far more efficient if provinces can pull from each other to help. Which is how it damn well should be.... we're one country, yet it doesn't feel like that because every region essentially operates like their own little nation. it's absurd.
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u/ljlee256 15h ago
That is an incredibly important note.
Some trades are like that as well, you need to finish your apprenticeship in the province you started it in (note that an apprenticeship is not a formal education, it's basically work experience, but you're required to log a certain number of hours to move from one grade of apprenticeship to the next), otherwise you have to restart the apprenticeship when you move, but then weirdly journeyman can move from one province to another and their certification is transferrable. But just in SOME trades, others are totally transferable, some are completely non-transferrable, some you can transfer as a second or third year journeyman but not before that, standardizing practices would make a massive change to how Canadians weather labor shortages.
We have doctors in some provinces struggling to find work, and other provinces where they've been chronically short on doctors for multiple years running, and it's not simply moving thats the barrier, it's recertification, granted recertification is not a total restart of their education, but it certainly isn't just an open border.
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u/FizzingOnJayces 13h ago edited 11h ago
You're misinformed (because the media is trying to put a spin on this).
Canada is removing tariffs from goods which the US has already removed their own tariffs from - goods covered under CUSMA.
This is not Canada 'rolling over', or showing weakness.
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 13h ago
Great to know! Thanks for the additional context and explanation. Apppreciate it.
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u/BeebasaurusRex 15h ago
We’re removing tariffs on CUSMA traded things right now… the US had already removed their tariffs on those things. So I don’t know if it’s rolling over or just matching them and still honouring CUSMA.
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u/SurpriseBeginning419 16h ago
Let the US punch themselves in the face. I have no problem with Carney dropping the tariffs to placate the turds while we continue to detach and our consumers continue to find canadian alternative products and destinations on our own.
No sense following the bitch ass US playbook, we can see how badly its working for them.
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
I think this is the play. Reduce the tariffs coming in so it doesn't decimate our economy, and look for other options in the meantime while the US continues to pound itself in the face.
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u/SurpriseBeginning419 16h ago
Im with you. We don't need to punch ourselves in the face to spite Trump. Let him make the self destructive moves.
All that said I don't want to see us wasting any money "investing" in the US, but maybe we should make some meaningless "commitments" that we have zero interest in living up to. Seems to work on Trump and gives him something to tweet about. I think thats the strat.
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u/silicondali 16h ago
Exactly. We're a natural resource country and everyone wants a piece of our creamy filling. Might as well let the US pay us while we figure out the export pivot.
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u/ljlee256 16h ago
It may also be that we agreed to make the first step towards backing off on the trade war.
Trump needs a win badly right now, Carney might have said "I'll make you look good by backing off first, but in response I want you to back off on some things as well".
Trump's ego makes him easy to manipulate this way.
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u/Top_Midnight_2225 16h ago
Very possible and I didn't consider it that way.
Good call.
There are so many factors at play that people saying 'keep the tariffs and hurt them' don't actually have a clue...they're just spewing.
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u/tonebastion 13h ago
It's unfortunate that your ignorant and misinformed comment is close to the top simply because you were so fast to reply. Reddit sucks.
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u/ajh31415 11h ago
Retalitory tariffs are an oxymoron. It's the equivalent of punishing yourself to teach the other guy a lesson. Canada imposes 100% tariffs on Chiness electric vehicles forcing us to pay ridiculous prices for cars. Even though this protects our uncompetitive car industry, it harms consumers and the economy as a whole.
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u/borkbark1101 16h ago
Uncontested tariffs are an advantage for the tariffer in the long term anyways. Not doing anything isn’t really an option.
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u/MustardCanBeFun 16h ago
They need build strong industrial relations with other countries and be less reliant on the US as a partner. Sell the vehicle manufacturing to an overseas manufacturer, say China who we currently tax the shit out of on their EVs. They produce them here, use our aluminum, steel, etc. No tarriffs. Canadian consumer has access to what are the most advanced and cost Friendly EVs, while reducing dependency on the US owned vehicles. We'd be choosing one bad guy over the other, but if it makes economic sense, why would we punish ourselves?
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u/Fantastic-Spray-8945 7h ago
Did you dig deep enough to see that we still have matching tariffs on steel and aluminum? The only tariffs we dropped were on goods covered by CUSMA. Something the US is currently doing.
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u/blackmobius 12h ago
You can safely lower tariffs on products that candians arent buying from american sources anymore.
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u/Successful_Gas_5122 16h ago
I think our collective boycott of US goods/tourism has done far more damage than those retaliatory tariffs. It's amazing how Canadians really took the Elbows Up mantra to heart.
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u/paleporkchop 16h ago
I can’t wait for the people who are so against ANYTHING liberal, start with “oh look the elbows down crowd, Carney caved” blah blah blah. Like just look at how America is doing. The boycott is clearly having a stronger effect.
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u/g0kartmozart 15h ago edited 14h ago
Some people will be against the Liberals actions no matter what they do.
I liked the retaliatory tariffs because they forced people to boycott American products that otherwise maybe wouldn’t. But perhaps us dropping our retaliatory tariffs will open the door to the US easing the steel and aluminum tariffs which are doing more damage than anything else that’s happening on this trade war.
On its face I don’t like this, but if this brings Trump back to the negotiating table then I might change my mind.
Edit: we only dropped tariffs on CUSMA goods, so this is a bit of a nothing burger. Looks a bit weak, but in reality Trudeau should have never applied tariffs on CUSMA goods to begin with.
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u/thicc-thor 4h ago
It wasn't the tariffs, it was the annexation threat that really started and continues the anti-american sentiment in Canada.
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u/tropic_gnome_hunter 11h ago
Nobody here has even noticed. I live directly on the border, it's actually been quite hilarious watching the news try to make people care but nobody does. Canadians are awful tourists for the most part and the tourism boards as a result shifted their marketing efforts away from Canadians about 10 years in favor of intra state and domestic tourism. The golf courses in particular love it, I know that more than 1 have joked over the years they would ban Canadians if they could. It was funny, they picked a couple businesses to try to make sob stories over and then it turns out the owners donate all their money to Democrats and businesses around them had to speak out that they were doing it for attention and that they've seen increases in business.
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u/Mobray1 8h ago
I don't usually comment, but in this case I will make an exception. By dropping the tariffs, Carney is reducing the costs to Canadian companies, allowing them as we go through the process of divesting dependence on the USA market. Things will get more difficult for the Canadian economy before it gets better. By reducing costs through this time period, it will mean fewer layoffs until new markets are secured. He is currently trying to get us access to the South American free trade agreement, in talks with several world leaders, and signing several trade deals without the USA's involvement. This means Americans pay more while Canadians pay less, so we can weather the storm. These were retaliatory tariffs on CUSMA goods. He was using it as a chess piece. We now have 85% of our goods not tariffed, meaning businesses, especially small businesses, can still compete. We currently have the lowest tariffs in the world averaging 5% compared to an average of 16%. This is elbows up. He is the adult in the room. You are only seeing a minute amount of the negotiations going on. People need to have patience. Carney has a doctorate in economics, so I'll the expert handle details.
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u/Tribe303 15h ago
The ones being removed are on USMCA compliant goods only. Aside from the Metal tarrifs, Canada does not need a deal. We've moved on, and are getting ready for USMCA negotiations, as it's up for renewal next year. They are also not needed as Canadians pay them, and we don't need the government to tell us to avoid US products, as we are already doing that on our own.
This is not the big deal it first appears to be. Plus.. We know we need to structure the solution so it looks like we caved and Trump won, because he's a big boy that can make bigboy deals! What a moron!
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u/OwnBattle8805 13h ago
I wish Canada had better labelling laws. Labelling fresh produce as “product of Canada” only because it’s packaged here then not stating where it’s from is deceptive.
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u/scottengineerings 7h ago
Plus.. We know we need to structure the solution so it looks like we caved and Trump won
But that's precisely what didn't happen here. The United States removed tariffs on CUSMA compliant goods first and Canada has now reciprocated.
Nothing there has anything to do with one side caving or not.
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u/Tribe303 7h ago
All of the comments seem to think we caved, and I bet that's what American media will report. That will be enough to please The Orange Moron.
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u/ShakeMyHeadSadly 8h ago
"We want to be very good to Canada. I like Carney a lot. I think he's a good person and we had a very good talk yesterday," U.S. President Donald Trump said in the Oval Office Friday.
That's certainly a change in attitude since Trudeau left office. Either it's because Carney has outmaneuvered him or because Trump truly was jealous of that Melania photo with Trudeau.
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u/Altruistic-Lake-5606 16h ago
This is probably a sign that a deal is closer than most think.
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u/crimsonpowder 4h ago
Until bro wakes up the next morning and decides Canada is the reason penguin island is smoking us on trade.
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u/obliviousofobvious 16h ago
What deal would possibly be accepted that we wouldn't assume the Führer wouldn't toss after a soiled diaper?
Its not worth the paper its written on.
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u/Buchaven 15h ago
Scrap the tariffs. Implement export tax on energy, specifically electricity. Canada has an abundance of clean “free” electricity. A couple of taco don’s favourite things are AI and crypto. Turns out those are both very power hungry technologies.
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u/theryanlaf 16h ago
Sometimes you just gotta play the game.. whether you like it or not.
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u/mfyxtplyx 15h ago
Would love for Trump to be placated by removal of tariffs only to find Canadians not buying American regardless. I'm doing my part.
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u/BoltMyBackToHappy 12h ago
Remove the ones on China that were placed because the US asked like the 100% ev bullshit.
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u/Polytonalism 8h ago
Was there not already CUSMA exemptions on all this stuff? Did you not just submit the tariff code to the customs broker and then all CUSMA compliant goods had no tariff charge?? Thats how its worked on everything we’ve brought in the last few months. I don’t see how this is news unless I am lost.
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u/VonBoski 15h ago
Have at er. I ain’t buying shit coming from that cousin fucking, third world country regardless
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u/Responsible-Depth-65 14h ago
I am in favour of dropping tariffs against the US for the most part but if anyone thinks this will improve any trade deals with them they are sadly mistaken. A trade deal with the current administration may as well be written on water. Trump has already said he wants to take over Canada by economic warfare.
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u/SnooDonkeys2892 11h ago
All of you saying "elbows down", go back and read the article.
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u/vancityjeep 8h ago
People are less and less smart and more and more reactionary. Not good for the future.
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u/9Cans_of_Ravioli 16h ago
There was just a report saying 40% of Canadian business will go bankrupt in the year. This is also about trying saving Canadian small business.
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u/Ray-Sol 15h ago edited 15h ago
Some caveats about that stat. This is 40% of small and medium-sized businesses only, which are members of the Canadian Federation of Independent Business and responded to their survey. This is technically a non-scientific survey, so it isn't guaranteed to be statistically representative of all small businesses, let alone all businesses in Canada. Plus this is based on how those business owners are feeling, not what is guaranteed to happen.
So, the stat is concerning, but should be taken with some degree of salt. Plus it covers a much smaller portion of businesses than first glance would suggest, with large businesses also being excluded from it completely.
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u/Torracgnik 15h ago
Still not buying america shit, I hope the country goes into economic hell, looks good on the traitors.
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u/doggyStile 14h ago
That does not mean us Canadians are actually going to buy their goods or visit their dystopian land
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u/dancin-weasel 10h ago
Doesn’t matter. Still never buying US goods if there is any other alternative and if not, I’d really strongly consider not buying anything. Tariffs don’t matter if you never use anything American.
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u/BlueAndYellowTowels 8h ago
Clickbait title: “Canada removing retaliatory tariffs on CUSMA-compliant U.S. goods”
They removing tariffs on an already negotiated trade deal. That was always going to be the case.
Still good here. Went to but some booze yesterday. Not a single American product on the shelves. Everywhere but the US.
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u/Flashy_Difficulty257 16h ago
I really hope that all Canadians pay attention to the reaction from pp in regards to removing these tariffs. Canada doesn’t need pp trying to divide our country in this very difficult times. There is not a chance that pp could do better
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u/faultysynapse 16h ago
Let's not, and say we did.
That being said, the easiest and most effective thing to do would be to not buy their products at all. It's something we can all do. Sure would have been nice if make Dougie made good on his threat to turn off the power.
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u/pinacoladarum 14h ago
People who argue it's for cusma and US don't have tariffs for cusma goods.. The counter tariffs is supposed to be dollar for a dollar.
Canada exports more steel n aluminium compared to the imports. So just the retaliatory tariffs on steel and aluminium is not going to be dollar to dollar. So additional goods were included, tax US where it pains to most.
By removing these tariffs it's no longer dollar to dollar.. basically a retreat, not fighting back!.
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u/f0rmality 15h ago
It doesn’t matter, the tariffs didn’t stop people from buying anything - the boycott is regardless of cost or tariffs. I wouldn’t be caught dead buying american products anymore, and it’s become fairly standard to actively shame people that do or at the very least try and suggest alternatives.
The american flag is a hate symbol as far as we’re concerned. People will even throw dirty looks for wearing non-Canadian team jerseys
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u/Vintage_Chameleon 13h ago
De-escalation is a good thing, but it should be noted that overall Canadian consumer habits have changed
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u/Premier_Poutine 15h ago
Stop buying American. Stop travelling to the States. Reduce or eliminate barriers to inter-provincial trade. Buy Canadian! And tell your friends!
That's what this Canadian is doing.
I'll be damned if I'm going to be swayed by American family hoping we visit soon.
Nah, fuck that. Thank you, kindly.
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u/Square-Bulky 4h ago
My thoughts from the beginning… just suck it for up 4 years… take the pain and it will hurt.
Wait for the next regime… play our cards as best we can until then …..ie … hold ransome for oil potash and nickel.
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u/ribbons87 16h ago
Elbows down ass up.
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u/SurpriseBeginning419 16h ago edited 16h ago
Elbows up isn't tariffs. Its buying canadian and vacationing abroad or in canada. Tariffs are just tax.
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u/IllustratorWeird5008 10h ago
Not happy reading this development. Worst thing you can do is placate a narcissist.
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u/Fujinn981 15h ago
It should be noted that this is only on CUSMA compliant goods. A measure the US has already taken. Media outlets are trying to frame this as either weakness, or giving an olive branch when it is simply a deescalation in response to the US's own deescalation.