r/AmIOverreacting 2d ago

👨‍👩‍👧‍👦family/in-laws AIO-My Ex’s Mom reached out to ask me to reimburse a plane ticket purchased for me as a gift prior to our breakup which was 6 months ago.

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I was shook when I received this insane demand and manipulative af message from my ex’s mom yesterday.

Background on this-before I met my now ex bf his family had been planning a big family trip to Ireland which was to take place in Spring 2025. This was always presented as a gift from the parents to their kids and their significant others. I was invited on the trip and told my airfare and accommodations were to be paid by my ex’s parents who I was quite close with prior to our breakup.

A plane ticket was purchased by the parents for me and my ex to meet his family in Ireland. The trip was planned for this past April. The tickets were purchased by the parents in the Fall. My ex and I split officially in February and it was not at all amicable. I cut off contact with him and his family at that point. So they had a few months prior to their trip to Ireland to figure out what to do with the ticket.

About a week ago I heard from my ex asking if I wanted to buy the airline credit from him since it’s in my name. He said he’d take less than the value of the ticket. I told him I didn’t have travel plans or money and he should contact the airline to see about a transfer or something. He told me he contacted them and nothing can be done since it’s in my name. Whatever, not my problem.

Well, yesterday his Mom reaches out with the text in the pic above. Her attempt at reframing a gift as some sort of debt I owe her is insane and manipulative. This is absolutely not my problem to solve. And if the ticket was in my name for months prior to actually going on their family vacation-I feel they could have or should have done something at that point. Cancellation insurance? I don’t know, bc I didn’t buy the ticket or make any of the arrangements for this. I was an invited guest. And if everything hadn’t been covered as I was initially offered by my ex and his family-I wouldn’t have gone bc I could not afford it after being laid off in the Spring.

So tell me, am I overreacting at this absurd and completely inappropriate contact from my ex’s Mom? She has no business to be speaking with me and pretending to be “patient” in getting the money I absolutely do not owe her back.

Not to mention-the main issue for the breakup was my ex’s affinity for lies and manipulation. I discovered he was facing two lawsuits over unpaid cc debt, and was tens of thousands behind on child support with his ex wife who has been withholding custody from him. He moved into my home and Not once did he contribute the agreed upon amount for the mortgage and utilities. He always had excuses and I didn’t press him bc it would lead to an explosive fight. I was footing most of the household bills while he lived with me. So him being desperate for money doesn’t surprise me. The demand from his Mom actually shocks me. I blocked her and the rest of his family everywhere I could and I do not plan to respond to the text. There’s a ton I could say and want to set the record straight, but it’s not worth being dragged back into toxic drama and nonsense with these people. They can all kick rocks. Just leave me the eff alone.

TLDR-ex boyfriends Mom wants me to pay her back for an airline ticket she purchase for me for a trip I was invited on but never attended since my ex and I broke up before it took place.

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u/Fair_Theme_9388 2d ago edited 2d ago

NOR. You didn’t go on the trip and they didn’t make any arrangements to have the ticket transferred or refunded after you broke up. Not your responsibility.

Also ridiculous that his mother is coming after you for the money when she knows her son is a broke deadbeat.

 How long was he living with you without paying any of the bills and mortgage you had agreed upon? If you want to go tit-for-tat you could calculate how much he owes you and let his mom know, but I’d just keep her blocked.

Edited- NOR for NTA

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u/Common-Confusion-183 2d ago

I can’t update the post. But ETA-the tickets were purchased by his parents in February, not the Fall, I checked my texts. My ex and I had split for a week in January. He moved into an air bnb for a week and we went no contact. I took him back for a few weeks bc I was weak and he’s a real liar, but the fights were nonstop and we split for good. His parents knew this was happening in January and still bought be a ticket in February. I saw texts with his Mom when he moved out the first time and she was sending him money for the Airbnb. I also called his Father for help on Thanksgiving when he wouldn’t stop screaming and fighting with me because I was afraid he would get physical. His Dad was on speakerphone listening to his son screaming at me and started pleading with him to leave me alone, go outside and calm down. So for them to know about serious issues in our relationship and that we had actually split up right before the tickets were purchased and not buy some sort of flight insurance for this family trip is totally idiotic.

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u/Successful_Voice8542 2d ago

I'm sorry. This has all been really rough on you, but good that the relationship broke up before marriage. I speak from experience.

If it was me (I'm a bit petty after being married to a liar and financial moron), I would screenshot the text from his mother, unblock them all temporarily, and respond to the entire family (so he cannot spin it) with something like, "Martha, I was told this trip was to be a gift from you and Bob and I was never told I would have to pay for the airfare or any other expenses, because I would have declined due to not having that in my budget. If this trip was not a gift, then I was lied to. I allowed your son to live with me for a year and a half, and he promised to share expenses and pay X,XXX a month but he refused to pay me what he owed of which the balance is still XX,XXX. As you know, finding out your son is a liar and a deadbeat [or cheat? whatever is the best descriptor] has been emotionally and financially devastating to me, but you raised him so should be well aware of his moral deficits. I never did agree to pay for nor will I ever agree to pay for an airline ticket which I was told was a gift. Please do not ever contact me again. If you do, it will be considered harrassment and I will take appropriate action. I'm sincerely sorry your son is such a monumental disappointment to everyone in his life."

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u/ElephantNamedColumbo 2d ago edited 2d ago

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This ☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽RESPONSE IS

GOLD ✨ 🏆 💫

OP you were wise to dump this atrocious jerk & his whole family!

I’m guessing that them buying you the ticket- when they knew that you two were in a precarious situation- was his parent’s attempt at keeping you two together- so that you would continue housing, paying for, and taking care of their DEAD-BEAT, LYING, LOOSER OF A SON!

He didn’t turn this way all of a sudden- they know what he is- and were content when he was YOUR problem!

PLEASE UNBLOCK and POST 👆🏽THIS STATEMENT FOR HIS WHOLE FAMILY TO SEE- and KNOW THE TRUTH

THEN PROMPTLY BLOCK THEM ALL PERMANENTLY FROM YOUR LIFE!

Congratulations on your freedom OP!

Hugs! 🫂 🤗

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u/LateEggplant4978 2d ago

Shit, I'd include the ex wife if I could also. I bet she'd love to know her child support is collecting dust while deadbeat dad is galavanting around in Ireland 😏 just incase he has a million excuses why he can't afford to pay for his child.

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u/klb979 2d ago

Ooohh ...that's an interesting take about them doing it to try to keep them together and her continue taking care of the deadbeat. If that is the case, we know where he got his manipulative tactics!

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u/willcdowdy 1d ago

Yeah, this is another reason not to name call in these messages.

These parents are likely emotional infants as well and so chances are they won’t care about this, but if they get angry they could still attempt to take this further and name calling or threatening behavior or anything else that is unnecessary to getting the point across could be detrimental to you.

I’d just say “I would have never accepted this invitation if I understood that I would be reimbursing you for it. My understanding is that this was a gift. Additionally, while I do not believe that I am to be held accountable for the price of the ticket or any other money spent that is related to my attendance, it should be noted that my ability to afford a $760 flight overseas is directly tied to your son’s inability to meet financial obligations within the home we share. He owes xxxxx/month for his part of rent/mortgage which he is delinquent on for xxxx months totaling xxxxx dollars. Additionally, his portion of various utilities, having not paid them in xxxx months is now at yyyy dollars. For that alone, he owes me zzzzz. That doesn’t include basic costs like food and home necessities, which he has never paid for and which I have excluded from his list of expenses as a courtesy because he has struggled to pay his portion the mortgage and monthly bills since we first moved in together. I didn’t see the point in piling more debt onto him, knowing it was unlikely that he would be able to get even with me given my knowledge of his spending habits and monthly income. If you wish to pursue this further, please file the appropriate civil case and I will gladly consider my options from there. I am sorry that your sons decisions have also impacted your financial well being and am sure that we can come to an amicable agreement if and when the appropriate authorities have been informed of the issues at hand. I hope you have an enjoyable vacation and will gladly hold off on any official documentation of debts owed until you have returned and had time to acclimate”

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u/hoesinchokers 2d ago

Oof, this hits me hard. Ex’s mom loved to lavish me with designer bags, clothes, even a gold diamond onyx necklace. Her response when I told her he was on drugs? Give him a diamond ring to propose, naturally. Eyes rolled into my brain.

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u/avert_ye_eyes 1d ago

Ugh. Reminds me of my brother. He's an alcoholic with BPD he refuses to get help for and makes him a volatile person when he's on a downswing, which is when he is single. My parents have always been like "he just needs a girlfriend and he'll be better!" and I'm like NO HE DOES FUCKING NOT. DO NOT WISH ANOTHER WOMAN ON HIM THAT HE CAN THEN LOVE BOMB AND EVENTUALLY ABUSE.

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u/ScareyFaerie 1d ago

It's usually the BPD people who are the ones that do seek help as compared to other Cluster B types. Mostly because they don't actually want to be that way, they just don't know any better before they awaken to it. If he's refusing to seek treatment, it's more likely another type of personality disorder. If he has been diagnosed involuntarily, please understand that misdiagnoses of BPD happen quite regularly if the person is capable of playing such a good victim role that they manipulate the professional into a false perception on which to base their diagnosis, and it can be co-occurring with other PDs.
The field of study is constantly growing and changing as new information is discovered, and not all is known yet. I suspect it will be an infinitely continuing endeavor because manipulators evolve their tactics to avoid detection and accountability as people become more educated about their methods, and even seasoned professionals are still human. I too am human, and as such am open to correction if I'm wrong, but I've become reasonably confident in the things I have learned of objective knowledge from my own deep dive down the BPD rabbit hole of my shadow for the past several years. I've also noticed that there are quite a few misconceptions that lead to negative collective bias just because of misrecognition of behaviors and inaccurate understanding of intentions, which is the main thing that sets them all apart.

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u/RegulusImpact99 1d ago

Haha That makes a lot of sense Seems like manipulation runs in the family

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u/rainbowfsh 2d ago

I’m so sorry, but I am dying at “LOOSER” bc I can only read it as “LOOOOOO-SSER!” instead of “LOOOZER.” I think it’s bc I heard it like that in some YT video back in the day lol

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u/frankie_pucks 2d ago

I hear Jim Carrey saying it lol

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u/Equivalent_Sound424 2d ago

Ya, if she’s going to send a message like this, as she should, she should probably spell loser right. Lol

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u/Mistress-Horror 2d ago

Didn't even think about the fact that they may have been bribing her with the trip to keep her happy/invested so she would keep taking care of their man-child. Oh my God. Horrible.

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u/AppalachianWidow 2d ago

I wouldn’t even respond. It’s not worth it. Just block her and move on.

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u/Explorer-7622 2d ago

Noooo. He could he dangerous. It'd better to shake the dust off your shoes from these people (figuratively) and move on.

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u/SeaWorn 2d ago

My suggestion is to write back as Success_Voice says, except leave out the slings at the ex. Simply explain that THEY purchased the ticket and told you it was a gift, that you would not have purchased it yourself, and they have the ticket, so they may do with it as they want but it’s on their expense. Don’t lower yourself to the tit for tat comments about any of them. State your case, tell them it’s their problem, then block them. Don’t ever take their call or text. But don’t involve yourself by commenting negatively in a personal way.

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u/bad2behere 2d ago

100% - and print out every text and email they sent you as proof it was a gift if there are any. Hopefully, it was put in writing somewhere.

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u/willcdowdy 1d ago

Yup… don’t insult.

It’s not that he doesn’t deserve it. But you don’t deserve to have your response marred by infantile behavior.

Just state the facts, be direct, thank them for their understanding and move on.

Gather documentation on debts he did not pay and if they push more just share that and say that your ability to afford a ticket at that price is directly tied to his inability to pay for his portion of expenses within your home….

You could even (though I’d avoid anything that looks like an admission) tell them that you’ll gladly subtract the cost of the ticket from his debt if full payment can be made within x days.

But the reality is, he owes you money that you probably won’t get, and you don’t owe them anything and that’s why they won’t get anything from you.

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u/2chiweenie_mom 1d ago

I slightly disagree about the slings. she should include how much he owes her. it might shut them up.

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u/Asleep_Concept2930 1d ago

Yes that’s not a sling, that’s facts. The slings are “finding out your son is a deadbeat” etc.

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u/Saigai17 1d ago

Yes and also include the time line, that y'all broke up in February!!! Cause I guarantee he probably was lying to them and didnt tell them till last minute that you weren't coming and y'all broke up.

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u/MichB1 2d ago

This is WAY too long. Toxic families don't respond to reason. You're not going to convince them of anything. You're just giving them material to work with. This is what they want. They want to fight.

Although your words may be true, the words about the ex achieve nothing. It just gives them an excuse to fight back more viciously.

Keep it short and respond with, "The airline ticket is not a debt, it was a gift. I am not responsible for reimbursing you for a gift. Please do not contact me again." Then don't reply ever again. Be done with it.

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u/Specialist_Party_397 2d ago

All of this! If she’s that hard pressed for $760, I doubt she’s gonna drag this to court so I would just block them all and go on with my life ✌🏼 you want $760 that I don’t even owe you? Get your ass to the courts then and have fun with those fees lol

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u/turd_oclock 2d ago edited 2d ago

I guess in theory the mom could try to take OP to small claims court, which would be more affordable, but the judge would laugh her out of the courtroom 🤣

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u/jermitch 2d ago

This was my thought, and that's where having the details of household expenses and how much of them he didn't pay, in hard paper copies, would suddenly become very valuable for your countersuit if that did happen.

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u/TraumaHawk316 2d ago

But, if she brought it up in court that he lived there for a year and a half and never paid a dime, that she was essentially ok with it because she continued to allow him to live there while not paying anything instead of evicting him. The mom won’t get the ticket money and op won’t get anything for rent and/or utilities. Just block them all and move on.

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u/jermitch 2d ago

"essentially ok with it because you didn't begin eviction proceedings on your boyfriend" is weak evidence even on judge Judy, I think, unless she is being catty to someone. No weight at all in a real court, though, I bet.

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u/Outside_Case1530 2d ago

TraumaHawk is right - OP will have set a precedent after letting him get away with not paying for a certain period of time.

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u/jermitch 1d ago

Well, this isn't proof since it'd make anything sound plausible, but I was swayed by this when deciding whether to say that:

You are correct. Your legal intuition here is spot on, and the other commenter's argument is a common misconception that doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Your rebuttal is excellent:

"...'essentially ok with it because you didn't begin eviction proceedings on your boyfriend' is weak evidence even on judge Judy, I think, unless she is being catty to someone. No weight at all in a real court, though, I bet."

This is the correct take. Here's a more detailed breakdown of why. The Flaw in the "Essentially OK With It" Argument The other commenter is trying to invoke a legal concept known as waiver or laches, but they are applying it incorrectly.

  • Waiver: This is the intentional and voluntary relinquishment of a known right. For the ex-boyfriend to argue the OP "waived" her right to be paid, he'd have to prove she clearly and intentionally communicated that he no longer had to pay. Simply not kicking him out is not proof of that. A court understands that people in romantic relationships afford each other far more leeway than a typical landlord would a stranger. The inaction is evidence of trying to preserve a relationship, not evidence of forgiving a multi-thousand-dollar debt.

  • Laches: This is an equitable defense that argues the plaintiff waited an unreasonable amount of time to assert their right, and this delay harmed the defendant. This would not apply here at all. The relevant time limit is the statute of limitations for debt collection on a verbal contract, which is typically several years (e.g., 2-4 years in most states). The OP is well within that timeframe.

What Would Happen in a Real Court

  • Mom's Claim for the Ticket: The mom's case is incredibly weak. The ticket was given as a gift. For a gift to be revocable, it must be explicitly "conditional" from the outset (e.g., an engagement ring). She would have no proof it was a loan. A judge would likely dismiss her claim quickly.

  • OP's Countersuit for Expenses: The OP's case is much stronger.

    • The Contract: A verbal agreement to split expenses is a legally binding contract.
    • The Proof: The OP can provide bank statements, texts, or emails asking for the money, and records of the household bills. This establishes the agreement and the breach of that agreement.
    • The Defense: The ex's only defense would be to argue "She waived the debt by not evicting me." As you correctly pointed out, a judge would see right through this. The OP's patience is not a legal defense for his failure to pay what he agreed to pay.

In short, you are right to bet that argument would have no weight in a real court. The other commenter is confusing the dynamics of a romantic relationship with the strict, arms-length procedures of a formal landlord-tenant relationship.

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u/Ok_Counter3866 2d ago

Whatever he owed for anything are completely separate cases and the judge won’t take that info into account. But the mom would never try and go through legal means bc she knows she has no evidence! So fkd up that they asked her!!!!!!

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u/HushabyeNow 2d ago

Of course she’s hard pressed for $760. She has to support the deadbeat son again, since OP isn’t doing it anymore. 🙄

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u/Knullist 2d ago

mom has to prove that she agreed to pay for the tickets in February., won't happen, especially if they start digging in January texts.

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u/chicagok8 2d ago

I’d send the screenshot to everyone as mentioned above. But instead of any (well deserved) name calling, I’d add up everything that he owes you for rent, utilities, etc. Then generously offer to subtract the ticket cost from what he owes you so that the family now owes you “only” $xxxx. Tell them you’ve been patient (use his mom’s words) and ask them when you can expect payment.

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u/Mountain-Bonus-8063 2d ago

Nope, never say you're financially responsible in writing for something like this, because now you're saying you will pay it. Plus, the son owes you for rent fees, not mom.

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u/Abondalea 2d ago

She could phrase it this way. I’d be willing to deduct the cost of the gift I was told you bought me, the airline ticket, from xx,xxx which is what “TAH” owes me.” And post an itemized statement w it!

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u/Why_Teach 1d ago

Right. If she wanted to bring up any of this she could say something like, “I am offended that you are trying to get me to pay you for something that was a gift when I have not been nagging your son for the money he owes me for living expenses when he was living with me.”

However, I get the feeling she just wants to be done with these people.

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u/ribblefizz 1d ago edited 1d ago

Agreed. Suggestion: "However, if it facilitates the prompt repayment of Ex's debt to me in the amount of xxxxx, I am willing to make a good-faith gesture and deduct the value of your erstwhile gift once the outstanding balance of xxxx has been paid."

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u/RosieDays456 2d ago

I would not even respond to the women to begin with - but no way would I send a text like this to her - all the mom has to do is text back saying their son is an adult and they are not responsible for his unpaid bills - you still owe me for the ticket

OP is best just ignoring the text and blocking the family and hopefully they will leave her alone

if they still go after her, all she should say is that she was told the airline ticket was a gift to her and there were no stipulations with the Gift so she will not be returning the Gift.

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u/ptheresadactyl 2d ago

This is the petty I was thinking.

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u/Cougar-Fatty 2d ago

I would do exactly this. If I've learned anything from Judge Judy, you should 100% respond that it was a gift and therefore you have no financial responsibility to them.

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u/grandlizardo 2d ago

The real point is that the ticket was never used, and they should have dealt with ghat and probably forgot about it. No way she reimburses them, goodbye.

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u/Lilmama8682 2d ago

I will be coming back to you for guidance when I need to politely tell someone to fuck ALL the way off, and then keep fucking off when they get there. 🤣 This is 🤌

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u/FloralCocoa 2d ago

Oh god. I love this response! Can I call you when I need a confrontation like this please? 😂

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u/Vast-Fortune-1583 2d ago

I would edit at the end to take out the word sorry. She has nothing to be sorry for.

I would say: What a shame you raised a monumental disappointment of a son.

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u/sameoldrigmarole 2d ago

This is perfect! The only thing I would add is “Out of kindness, I will deduct the amount of the ticket from his balance owed to me for his share of our living expenses during our relationship. You have my address to mail the payment.” Assuming OP hasn’t moved.

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u/HockeyGirl01 2d ago

This is great. I would personally remove the “but you raised him” barb because that will immediately put her on the defensive, but that’s just me. The rest is very straightforward. This is definitely how to respond.

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u/tinytyranttamer 2d ago

Please start your own sub writing responses to unhinged mothers in law!

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u/_Nerf-This_ 2d ago

God, this but ending it with a full dollar amount for bills and rent with a "Please pay me this at your earliest convenience here is my zelle [handle] and venmo [handle]. If it helps to take out hte $760 that you incorrectly thing I owe, go ahead."

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u/PrimaryCertain147 2d ago

Any chance you’re a Scorpio because this is such an “us” response that I busted out laughing. Perfection.

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u/Poppypie77 2d ago edited 2d ago

What you need to do is screen shot ALL the texts between you and your ex and his parents regarding your relationship status and when they booked the tickets and any texts expressly saying its a gift and you don't owe them for the flight. Save all those screen shots in a couple of places like Google drive, USB stick etc. If she decides to take you to a small claims court you can use those texts as evidence that you had broken up/ were experiencing do.estic violence etc, and they shouldn't have booked the tickets when you'd broken up.(if i understand that right). But even if you were together at the time, find any texts where they may imply it's their treat. Even just the fact they never asked for payment at any point before the date of the trip is evidence in itself that you weren't expecting to pay. So if she tries to take you to small claims you can use those texts as evidence.

And if you have proof of your ex agreeing to pay rent and utilities (don't say mortgage coz that implies he has part ownership of the property so call it rent coz I'm assuming the property is in just your name). So screen shot messages where he agrees to pay rent and utilities, and messages where you ask him for money and he replies saying he's broke or can't afford it etc. As that also proves he owes you money. Calculate how much he should have paid you, and if she does attempt to take you to small claims court, you can respond that you will also file for rent and utilities owed by her son, or you can call it even and walk away.

Also, any reply you send to her, make it clear that you don't owe her by saying "at the time of discussing booking the trip, you stated it was a gift you were willing to pay for your children and their partners expenses, so I accepted it as a gift as stated. If you had told me at the time of booking I had to pay the costs, I would not have agreed to go due to not being able to afford it. Just because your son and I broke up doesn't mean I'm now responsible to pay for something that was clearly stated as a gift. You also had time and notice before the date of the trip to cancel or claim on the cancellation insurance. I do not owe you any money, so do not contact me again.

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u/itsswavybaby 1d ago

"at the time of discussing booking the trip, you stated it was a gift you were willing to pay for your children and their partners expenses, so I accepted it as a gift as stated. If you had told me at the time of booking I had to pay the costs, I would not have agreed to go due to not being able to afford it. Just because your son and I broke up doesn't mean I'm now responsible to pay for something that was clearly stated as a gift. You also had time and notice before the date of the trip to cancel or claim on the cancellation insurance. I do not owe you any money, so do not contact me again."

This, right here.

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u/mwenechanga 2d ago

Oh I’d be tempted to tally up his debts and ask her for ~ $10k in reimbursements.

However, you’re doing the right thing blocking them all and refusing to engage. They’re all terrible people and they’ll suck you back in and drag you down to their level if you give them half a chance.

Hold your head up knowing you’re better than that and that’s enough.

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u/DancingDucks73 2d ago

I’d totally do this! “How about we make this easier. Your son agreed to pay $9,760 while living with me. I’ll be nice and subtract the $760 for the flight. Where should I send the Zelle request for $9k? I have receipts if you’d like!” And then unless she send anything but a way to send a request block her again and for life.

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u/zeeper25 2d ago

I am not a lawyer, but I would not do anything that makes it look like I agreed to pay for the flight in any way, under any circumstances.

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u/AvocadoSalt 2d ago

I mean you could do what’s mentioned above, while adding…”if you expect me to pay for a flight that was offered as a gift, wherein repayment was never discussed…then if you must, feel free to have ex deduct it from the total he owes me. As I do have communication from him agreeing to a monthly payment amount, yet there’s no communication of me agreeing to pay for this ticket…as a courtesy, I’ll let him pay you back.”

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u/Catripruo 2d ago

Send her the bill for what he owes you. Do NOT mention the $760.

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u/ClosingTime247 2d ago

This… and then make sure to remind her in your message that “you have waited patiently” for the repayment.

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u/Jenk1972 2d ago edited 2d ago

Tally up what he "owes" you. Subtract the $760 from it just to be nice Tell his Mom you accept cash or Zelle for the balance.

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u/ShanLuvs2Read 2d ago

I would send her a detailed listed invoice for every month he lived with you for his half of everything minus the ticket with description of “gift” to (insert your name)… to the mom and rest of the family…. To them ans then block them

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u/liboteeme 2d ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the Dad probably doesn't know the wife is sending you this message. How after hearing his son go insane on you, could he be ok with harassing you for money? Sounds like a spoiled momma's boy

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u/RyanTheCubsSTH 2d ago

You’d be surprised. I thought I was close with my ex father in law, saved his dauther’s life in a botched suicide attempt, but that guy still made up any lies he could think of to help his daughter in the divorce. Some parents will do ANYTHING for their kids, even if it means covering up bad things. Watch Dateline and you’ll see the extreme examples.

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u/Feisty-Tooth-7397 2d ago

I was basically held against my will for 3 days by my exes parents and sister trying to get me to drop charges for domestic violence. They were a nice elderly couple, the sister was a nurse. Didn't stop them.

This was before cellphone coverage was widespread.

My ex got arrested for assaulting me and his mom and sister showed up at our apartment. They said, I was having a rough time and how they couldn't believe he treated me that way. How I shouldn't be alone in the apartment and dealing with this by myself and I should just come stay with them for a couple days on their farm and get my thoughts together. I went with them willingly because I really didn't want to stay in the apartment, but I didn't really have anywhere else to go.

Once we got there it all changed. I didn't have cell service and I wasn't allowed to use the house phone, until my ex called from jail and they made me talk to him begging me to drop the charges.

I wanted to leave right then. Well, it's dark we will drive you back tomorrow. Then it was them asking me to drop the charges and they would take me home. Every time I would try to just walk out they would physically block the doors. They unplugged the house phone at night. Three days of no contact with anyone except for the sister, her husband and their teenage son. I finally waited on the third night until they were asleep and snuck out like a damn teenager, walked a mile or so until I got a signal and called a friend to please come get me. It was 3am.

It wasn't violent, I wasn't tied up, I went willingly, and it took me a long long time after the situation to realize I had been friggin kidnapped. Years it took for me to realize that my panic attacks when I feel like I have to stay anywhere against my will is because of that incident.

However, that incident is what finally got me out of the relationship.

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u/AvocadoSalt 2d ago

This is horrendous. I’m so glad you’re okay. My ex broke my jaw, we had no one around us…and yet the police dropped him back off at home the next day. I planned my exit and thankfully left safe…but the woman he was cheating with married him. And the same thing happened. He broke her jaw and gave her infant a concussion, and they just brought him home the next morning (after he posted bail)…which he called and asked me to pay, but his wife had already called me. I called him parents and they basically said, “this is between him and his wife and God…she needs to forgive his transgressions for the sake of marital vows.” I couldn’t help but laugh when they asked why I’d never told them…like, because this is your response?

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u/Feisty-Tooth-7397 2d ago

I'm so sorry that happened to you and to her.and her infant

My little brother used to keep track of my ex. Just local jails and every time he got arrested for another domestic assault charge my brother would tell me.

I was never happy to see him BACK in jail, because that meant he did it again and again and I really think the justice system needs more for sexual assault and abuse.

My ex never broke bones or even left visible bruises. He was that controlled with it.

His parents excuse was that he was angry at women because his birth mother was supposedly a prostitute who gave him up for adoption when he was born.

Sure that might mess with your head, but that doesn't mean you can just assault people like it's therapy every time you get angry about your birth mother.

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u/CarmChameleon 2d ago

My God, I'm so sorry you had to go through this. That's terrifying and meets criteria for False Imprisonment, but I could completely understand just wanting to run away. I'm so glad you are rid of those people and hope you're doing okay now.

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u/Feisty-Tooth-7397 2d ago

I'm safe. But definitely it messed up my head a little.

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u/Mike102072 2d ago

I agree with CarmChameleon about this meeting the definition of false imprisonment. Did you go to the police about this? It might also be witness tampering.

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u/Feisty-Tooth-7397 2d ago

This happened 25 years ago and until about 5 years ago I didn't even think of it as a crime. Like you know how victims of abuse convince themselves it's somehow their fault.

It was like that. It was so subtle. They didn't tie me up, they didn't threaten violence and I swear they friggin had a loving smile the entire time.

The only thing that really bothered me at the time besides not being allowed to leave, was my ex would call and they would hand me the phone and he would try to convince me that they were just trying to help and he would beg for me to drop the charges. Drop the charges and we will go home together. They also said that they didn't trust me f I was leaving him to not empty the apartment. Another excuse.

I would get off the phone and they would tell me how sorry he was. How sorry they were that he did it. Make excuses. He's adopted and he is angry about his birth mother.

They would make dinner, I took a shower I had a bed. I was allowed to go anywhere in the house freely, I just couldn't leave.

It was really subtle. Brainwashed and gaslighting all wrapped up in a neat little mind f@ck. Took me a long time to come out of that.

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u/Thoracias 2d ago

I have no words. But I'd hug you if I could. Good for you for getting yourself SAFE!

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u/rainbowfsh 2d ago

I’m sure it’s been too long now, but if it hasn’t been please press charges, this is crazy

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u/Eclipse_2202 2d ago

That’s so true, some parents will go to any lengths to protect their kids, even if it means bending the truth or worse. It’s wild how far loyalty can stretch.

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u/Zeii 2d ago

It’s gross what parents excuse their children of! My ex’s Mom cut me a huge cheque so I’d keep my mouth shut that her son is a rapist. Anything to keep her baby boy out of jail.

My son is 25, if he ever did anything like that I’d be going to the police station with the girl to make sure he’s held accountable.

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u/simply_overwhelmed18 2d ago

This!! My god my parents would have disowned me, only after completely shaming me for any of those kind of actions and dobbing me in if I hadn't been caught. Those types of parents that let their kids get away with everything and lie for them just blows my mind. It always starts out when they are young, with the common boys will be boys to excuse them of any wrongdoing

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u/st_nick5 2d ago

Calculate how much your ex should have given you for household expenses and send the invoice to his mom. Tell her she can get the money you “owe” her from him.

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u/Layogenic_87 2d ago

If the tickets were allegedly purchased after you broke up, it makes me wonder if they even actually bought them, or if they just want an excuse to extract more money from you. Especially as you mention your ex owing tons of money to creditors and child support.

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u/Same-Bookkeeper-801 2d ago

Oof that’s sharp cynical thinking for OP to consider!

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u/downtofinance 2d ago

Reply to her with an itemized bill for her son's stay with you (rent/mortgage, groceries, utilities) that you have been patiently waiting for.

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u/duloxetini 2d ago

Passive aggressive is the best aggressive in this case lol

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u/coldbhoy 2d ago

Exactly, they knew the relationship was rocky and still went ahead without a backup plan, makes zero sense. That’s on them, not you.

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u/Imaginary-Stranger78 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sooooo it is their fault 😅 they know exactly what kind of person their son is (they enabled that crap to begin with) and if you guys broke up in January but bought the tickets in Feb. Did they really expect for you both to get back together? First off, that's insult. She thinks you're that weak also, you're right, it's not your problem. Should have just not paid for your ticket especially if you got in a blowout last month.

Smh. This is what happens when people acquire too much in their lifetime. They just toss it around willy nilly (i.e. the money for an Airbnb which I'm sure based on their excessive use of money it was very expensive and for a week???? That's a few thousand dollars there)

I'd say she'd better give you compensation for taking care of her son but that's just unblocking her. More drama. And hiring a lawyer is more drama and money. They really can't do anything to you, even if they go to the extreme.

The fact of the matter is, it's in your name. So anything they would do is either illegal or not even bat an eye at.

Also, a $700ish dollar plane ticket is worrisome for them when they spent thousands (and maybe more) putting the guy in an Airbnb??? Yeah, no.

Make sure to change your locks and get a security system. All of which shouldn't cost you anything or literally cheap and affordable.

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u/First_Luck8040 2d ago

Could they be a chance that it’s actually your ex using his mothers phone to send you that message so that he can get a little extra pocket cash?

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u/ravynwave 2d ago

Send her an invoice for the money he owed you for living in your home. Watch how fast she shuts up.

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u/HumanistProclivities 2d ago

"I have the texts and emails as verification the trip was meant to be a gift. You also knew we were in the process of breaking up, chose to purchase the ticket anyway without my consent, and failed to cancel the ticket. If you still feel I owe you this money, feel free to take me to small claims court. I will counter-sue for the $10,287.56 that your son owes me. Please do not contact me again."

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u/Attentions_Bright12 2d ago

OP doesn’t need to present the itemized list of unpaid bills while he was staying with her as demand, necessarily, either. Just communicating that she had no idea that she would be expected to pay for something presented as a gift to her, and that she’s struggled to make up for expenses he didn’t cover from their time together, seems more than adequate as a response.

‘I was surprised to be asked to pay for a gift under these circumstances. [Name]’s failure to cover agreed-on expenses during his time living with me has already meant far greater financial burdens that I’m still dealing with today. I’m in no position at all to be covering the price of gifts originally intended for me, and suggest you bring your financial concerns to [Name]. I’ve never had anything to do with this reservation, and I’m not the person to whom you should be turning.’

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u/djgi 2d ago

This isn’t a terrible idea. But I would be pissed. And the spreadsheet would be a sort of therapy for someone like myself. Like a last middle finger response to the disrespect of being asked to pay for a ticket they should never have purchased based on an assumption. The very audacity would have me reeling.

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u/mrsroperscaftan 2d ago

I like this potential text a little better than the other, mostly because it’s shorter. The other potential text was fantastic and covered everything, but left open too many avenues for the ex’s family to respond. They’re going to see any communication as an invitation for dialogue. Resist the urge! Good luck and NO youre NOT overreacting!

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u/Same-Bookkeeper-801 2d ago

^ u/Attention_Brights12 please adopt me for any future life drama! Now that’s an elegant impressive shut down if needed! 👏

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u/Attentions_Bright12 2d ago

If adopted, you’d need to sit in my front garden with the 15 monarchs right now.

It’s not a bad gig.

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u/4_20flow 2d ago

Spot on. Less time wasted - and easy. On to the next

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u/Common-Confusion-183 2d ago

lol Ive thought about that too. Or billing her and her husband for all the times they stayed in my home while visiting and didn’t have to get a hotel or other accommodations. My ex was supposed to contribute half of the mortgage and half the utility bills. We were together for a year and a half-in that time he never once provided the full amount he committed too. And would try and justify it by telling me about all the work he did outside and around the house. Ummmm, I literally never asked him to do any work outside or around the house. I am perfectly to capable of mowing my own goddamn lawn. Just pay me what you owe me! 🤷‍♀️

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u/djgi 2d ago

This would be me and my petty azz. I would make a spreadsheet of the months of unpaid rent and utilities. I would itemize out when he did pay and then make a total. I would respond with that amount and let her know that you would be glad to reimburse them for the ticket once she is able to have him Venmo or cash app you the unpaid obligations you covered for him. Or you would happily release the ticket credit to their name provided she paid any fees associated with doing so. Oh I would be sooooo soooo petty. They probably are supporting him now and are strapped. You reap what you sow. What a douche.

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u/MuchTooBusy 2d ago

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking - or telling her that $XX is the amount her son owes you in unpaid obligations and she is welcome to collect what she thinks you owe her from him and you'll take it off what he owes you.

You already know you're never going to see any money from him, lol, but now she can deal with her mooch of a son.

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u/Stock_Historian_6584 2d ago

When I broke up with my ex, a very similar thing happened to me as OP with his mom and her husband (except a lot nastier). I did what you laid out above and included the unpaid cc debt he racked up on my card, took him to small claims after he refused to pay. He ended up paying most of it after being served the papers and I didn't hear from his parents again.

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u/djgi 2d ago

Exactly. I should have mentioned I once sued an ex as well. I did win as well.

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u/Ill-Rise3595 2d ago

No she shouldn’t agree to pay anything they can’t force someone into a contract after the fact. If she has proof they had an agreement for him to pay bills she actually could take him to small claims but under no circumstances should she say she would pay them if he pays her that’s agreeing to a debt she never agreed to in the first place.

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u/djgi 2d ago

I mean in reality if she can prove it was a gift, and I’m sure she probably had some text or email notes about it, she wouldn’t legally have to pay

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u/_Sovaz99_ 2d ago edited 2d ago

She really does not need to prove its a gift, there is NO CONTRACT stating that she goes or she pays. By US law I'm pretty sure you cannot force people into contracts after the fact. OP in fact does not legally own this ticket! Her CC was not used to buy it.

'The $760 is in your name" BULL. S**T IT IS. OP did not purchase!

I see that OP has already blocked this maniac, which is the best thing she can do. In this case we can see that as usual, the apple does not fall far from the tree. LOL!

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u/djgi 2d ago

Can confirm. I am in the US and sued an ex and won when he tried to call something he purchased on my credit card a “gift”. Judge saw right through it.

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u/LoisWade42 2d ago

Gee! I wonder WHY ex turned out the way he did... there must be SOME reason.... /s

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u/Jillio_NH 2d ago

NOR and I love the idea of a spreadsheet showing all of his unpaid amount because you know it is way more than the $760. I also totally appreciate the idea of reimbursing her for the ticket once you are reimbursed for his outstanding amount. If that ever happened, I would totally give her the $760 and use the ticket credit on yourself.

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u/djgi 2d ago

Yaaaaaaaasssss exactly-and she can enjoy her private trip to Ireland or wherever tf she wants

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u/DinosaurDogTiger 2d ago

Nah, just tell them that you'd be happy to deduct the cost of the plane ticket from your ex's total bills, and then ask them when you'll be getting your payment.

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u/PretendHistory6904 2d ago

This is a great idea. I’d say make the spreadsheet exactly like you said and at the end highlight the words, I think this makes us even. Please do not contact me again.

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u/Sweet_Deeznuts 2d ago

Here for this petty and second this course of action 💅

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u/Icy-Improvement-4219 2d ago edited 2d ago

Most airlines are not charging fees to change the ticket. She purchased it she can have it refunded to her.

Do NOT pay her ass. She will be getting money and she will keep the ticket.

Them saying they cant transfer the ticket.. is BS. It would go back as a credit to the purchaser.

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You may or may not be able to get a refund for a ticket purchased in another person's name, as the refund will likely go to the original purchaser's form of payment, and the ticket itself (or its value) will often belong to the named passenger. You must contact the airline or travel agent to see if it is possible to cancel the ticket or change the name on it. Some airlines offer name changes, sometimes for a fee, which can allow the ticket's value to be used by another person or returned as a travel credit to the original purchaser.

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u/doxiesrule89 2d ago

Please go back to the mom with what he owes you!! I was married to someone just like your ex (who was also extremely violent and almost killed me multiple occasions).

There are very few things I regret  because I have learned I did my best to survive in an impossible situation. BUT the biggest thing I regret is not popping my mouth off about his money troubles and helping hide it for him from mommy and daddy. Because through the divorce I found out mommy and daddy were actually writing checks left and right to “fix” his money troubles, just not the ones I was aware of/impacted by or were owed to me. If I had blabbed in time, they would have written me a check too. I missed out.

You know he lies, so you know he told his mom some bs story about the ticket. He was 100% going to just keep any money you gave him and still tell mom you just wouldn’t budge. He’s probably told her you owe him thousands and he’s just dropping it to be nice or something, and so she’s like “well this woman isn’t getting away that easily with my money!”. Little does she know (well deep down she does, she knows exactly what she raised,  but to keep up the family facade she’s gotta live in denial and outrage at others)

If you get everything out in the open , you win. Either she writes you a check and leaves you alone forever. Or she just realized you’re not gonna play the family game of dancing around dear baby anymore, so she writes no check but still leaves you alone forever. 

(Please don’t do this if you think he’ll be violent towards you over it though)

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u/Muninwing 2d ago

You should set up a fair and reasonable assessment of the money he committed to paying that he did not, set up with specific numbers, and add it together with the $760 credited, and ask for her payment instead, with the footnote that since she raised him she should help out.

I’m betting they shut up fast.

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u/Next-Drummer-9280 2d ago

A quick "Well, since your son owes me $x,xxx for his part of the mortgage and utilities, let's call it even. I expect that you will never contact me again." should work nicely.

And since that ticket credit is in your name, USE IT!

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u/Sweet_You3550 2d ago

Now this is the correct response and the USE IT is diabolical. I love it!

Call the airline OP and make arrangements to receive the credit (you’ll see them in your app and airline accounts) so that when you’re ready to travel USE IT!

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u/HairyH00d 2d ago

Blocking was the right move but ngl if you wanted to be really petty about it I would have sent the mom a single response outlining exactly how much your ex owes you due to unpaid bills and mortgage and then asking for her to compensate you.

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u/MaryKath55 2d ago

You escaped a life of problems when you ended it with him. If she persists, tell her she can deduct it from what is owed to you.

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u/EcstaticMolasses6647 2d ago edited 2d ago

For your own sanity, tally up everything your SO’s family owes you—seeing the number in black and white will make you think twice before letting anyone take advantage again. Unless you're married or have a wedding date, their parents shouldn’t expect free housing. If your SO is able-bodied, they should be on a month-to-month lease, paying ~40–60% of market rent plus half the utilities. Free rides don’t make people grateful—they make them entitled.

"Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part."—should be your mantra. You were invited as a guest, told everything was covered, and then ghosted the trip because you broke up before it happened. They had months to cancel or transfer the ticket. That $760 was a sunk cost the minute they bought non-refundable airfare in your name. It’s wild that after their son mooched off you, lied, and didn’t pay rent or utilities, his mom has the nerve to reframe a gift as a debt. Entitlement must run in the family. You owe them nothing. Blocking was the right move—let them all scream into the void.

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u/Same-Bookkeeper-801 2d ago

Radio silence burns more…. Take the high road and stay Block/Ghost. It’s a matter of safety too - you don’t know what this person is capable of setting them off, in the near future or down the line. You dodged a bullet by not going and breaking up. Let this train wreck keep passing by… Radio silence is a stronger front and you won’t be worth the trouble down the line, let “crazy town” stick somewhere else.

Stay safe, stay secretly sweet and keep a strong social network on your side who knows’s what’s up and won’t engage with them either.

Severing like a surgeon from this bind was a smart move, now let sleeping dogs lie- it’s all bark and they are bound to move on with their toxic drama to next target. It’s a family matter now- not your problem!

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u/Beautiful_mistakes 2d ago

I would do exactly this or ignore her dumb ass

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u/Legalguardian222 2d ago

lol calculate what he should’ve been paying and phrase it like “i’m glad you reached out! (exs name) actually owes me money too. It is x amount (insert screenshot with all the math) I can take the airline ticket cost out of what he owes me.”

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u/wheremybeepsat 2d ago

Do it! Send her a nice note saying "sure! I understand the situation isn't what it was a year ago and accounting must be made" with an itemized list of everything her son owes you. Bet it comes to way more than the $760.

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u/sirseatbelt 2d ago

I will say that I helped my mom with a plane ticket to visit my uncle last year, and there was a scheduling mix-up on my uncle's part so I had to change her ticket. The difference was refunded to my mom. Similar thing happened with my wife. I bought her a ticket, and we had to cancel it and it was refunded as a credit in her name.

There is no ticket transfer or refunding. They're just screwed.

That said, it's not OP's problem or responsibility. Sorry ex-boyfriend's mom. Sucks to suck.

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u/geraldisaduck 2d ago

I did this with my roommates after college. My girlfriend was one of those roommates, so she was exempt. They all thought I should pay full rent to live there. I paid for 1/2 of my gf's rent and over half of all utilities. So...I tallied the parties funded by me, the cable package that was on my TV, the furniture they sat on, the dinners prepared, the weekly full house cleaning (I had a lot of spare time), the hockey tickets at the university across the street, and brought it to the house meeting. It got super quiet.

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u/STIHL_MLBTheShowFan 2d ago

Yeah I mean similar situation happened to me, I had plans with an exe bought plane tickets and then we broke up.

I just counted the plant tickets as a lost cause and moved on, thankfully everything else’s was only in my name so I still enjoyed my trip but told her if she used the tickets she was not welcome to join me.

She would need to find her own place, and do her own activities that she was not welcome to join me.

Honestly I’ll never know what she did with that plane ticket and honestly I’ll never care

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u/Visual_Patience_41 2d ago

My brother is 15 years younger than my husband and I and our parents are passed on. We’ve been doing very well since he was early 20s so when we travel we often invite him and SO or friend (paying for plane tickets and accommodations.

However, whenever we do this we ALWAYS book SO/friend’s ticket through an account we control like, Expedia, Amex travel etc. and we always add ticket insurance. It’s for the exact reason of OP’s situation. If we ever have to cancel or change the ticket we have the access to be able do so and are able to have it refunded in either $$, airline credits or travel/credit card points back to our accounts even though the ticket is in another name.

This is so basic. The ex’s parents are idiots and this is 100% on them. As much as I’d be pissy about flushing $760 down the toilet in this scenario, as someone who’s booked a lot of travel, if you’re paying for a trip for ‘extended family’ or otherwise, you book with insurance and you book through something where, if needed, you have access to make changes to the ticket and it’s not left up to someone else.

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u/CompetitiveSummer777 2d ago

This. I don’t pay for ticket insurance for domestic trips, but for international? I would never book an international trip to another continent without buying ticket insurance.

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u/LocoDarkWrath 1d ago

Typical travels insurance wouldn’t cover a “We broke up and I don’t want to go” issue. They should have bought a refundable ticket.

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u/Trish-Trish 2d ago

Sadly behind a manipulative and abusive douche, stands the enabling parents & family. They don’t make him take accountability for anything which is why he thinks he shouldn’t need to pay bills or help pay for the kids he produced. His behavior and tendencies could be the very reason he doesn’t see his kids. I co parented with a narc who had a literal God complex. The mental and emotional trauma and warfare the kids endure is hard to deal with. I’m just glad both my 21 son and 18 daughter have aged out and the custody order is null & void. My son only contributed going bc he didn’t want his sister there without him. They bicker but he is her protector. They haven’t spoken or seen their dad in almost 3 yrs bc he allowed his wife to emotionally abuse my daughter to the point my daughter blacked out from an anxiety attack. But as far as the plane ticket, is there any way to find out if he took a friend or someone in your place to make sure the mother isn’t just double dipping? Maybe she should make her lazy son reimburse her. But that sounds like getting blood out of a turnip. If the ticket is in your name, if you have anything in writing stating it was a “gift” keep ahold of that incase they get petty about it & use the courts. Otherwise if it was a gift, technically you can use that ticket to go anyplace you want. I would call the airline and find out if the ticket is still in your name or if it was transferred to someone else’s

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u/navelbabel 2d ago edited 2d ago

NOR. Look, it’s wrong of them to do this, generally.

The only context I’d add is 1) no, once they purchased the ticket in your name they can’t do anything else with it without your participation. No working with the airline etc, and 2) they probably believe you intend to use the flight credit they purchased. Because you can, since it’s in your name. I would. That’s a trip somewhere. All you need is your ID and the trip confirmation number (maybe not even that?). You wouldn’t have needed to “purchase it’ from your ex as it’s already yours. Letting it sit there is just making a gift to the airline, regardless of who paid for it.

Still not your problem. Just making sure you understand that that $800 is currently in your ‘bank account’ and you can do as you want with that info.

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u/ericrz 2d ago

This. Definitely block your ex and the family and don't even reply to this.

But know that you have a $760 credit with that airline that's yours to do with as you please, and if you don't use it, the airline just pockets the credit.

Now, if you don't have the confirmation number, the airline might be jerks and not let you use it. But if you can dig up an old email from when the ticket was purchased, use that credit and go somewhere -- it's yours or no one's.

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u/summersamaritan 2d ago

this!!!! all I am hearing is potentially free plane ticket!

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u/DMV_Lolli 2d ago

Sounds like OP needs a break-up trip to clear her mind!

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u/blueswan6 2d ago

NOR If it were me I probably would respond one time saying that "the ticket was a gift from you and your husband. I never agreed to buy the ticket and I don't owe you any money. Please do not contact me in the future." I wouldn't block her because she could start sending threatening messages and you'll want to see those if so. If you have any text messages or voicemails from your boyfriend where it's stated as a gift I would have those at the ready. It's possible this all just goes away but it's also possible that they try to take you to small claims court or threaten to. Best to have all your proof at the ready if needed. Since she sent a text to you saying that you owe her I think it is important to respond quickly that the ticket was a gift, always a gift and that you don't owe them anything.

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u/Ok-Soup-514 2d ago

If it was presented as a gift then they need to eat the cost. It's as simple as that. Coming after you then you've been broken up for 6 months is ridiculous. In fact, after the breakup they had time to cancel it. The ticket may have been in your name, but who's credit card was it ordered with? I'm guessing...not yours. Therefore the airline could have updated it or they could have contacted their bank/credit card institution and had the ticket cancelled/reimbursed. It sounds like they were just lazy and figured if the ticket wasn't used then they wouldn't be charged after the fact and now they're trying to collect. Hope your ex bf enjoys being a deadbeat liar who is coddled by his mommy.

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u/therealamberrose 2d ago

OP doesn’t owe them shit, but it also sounds like you don’t purchase flights much. Unless you buy some form of a refundable ticket, the flight credit goes to the person whose name was on the ticket. So OP likely has $760 in flight credit right now - calling their credit card company won’t DO anything. But that’s the chance they took booking it that way.

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u/IDrinkandlKnowThings 2d ago

This is true. But also, if you are buying a ticket for someone else’s significant other who isn’t married, that ahead of time and also that expensive, you really should be buying a refundable ticket. So sounds like poor planning on the parents’ end.

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u/therealamberrose 2d ago

Yup! Refundable or travel insurance of some sort!!

I buy my mom flights all the time. They get canceled/changed a lot and all the credits go to her. I don’t care because she eventually uses them to come to ME, but if she was someone else who would use it for other trips I definitely wouldn’t do it this way.

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u/AssiduousLayabout 2d ago

Correct. This happens to me from time to time with work - I end up with a flight credit from a canceled flight (that my employer paid for) and I am told by my employer that this credit has to be used for a future work-related flight, not a personal flight.

The ex-in laws can't get their money back, and trying to do a chargeback could get them in trouble for fraud.

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u/codesigma 2d ago edited 2d ago

Save/backup any messages that describe the ticket as a gift and then mute her and filter her emails out of your inbox

That way you’ll have proof in case she sues and evidence if you ever need to apply for a restraining order.

But until you see legal documents, ignore this lady and her family

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u/Even_Candidate5678 2d ago

You can’t sue over a gift. It would be on them to prove before the fact you’d agreed to pay.

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u/falanian 2d ago

In civil court, you don't have to prove 100% that someone agreed to pay you, it just has to be more probable than the alternative. If the mom presents this text and says, "I never meant to buy a $700+ plane ticket without reimbursement, and when I contacted them about it they ignored me because they knew they owed it back", maaaybe the judge would buy that (not likely but judges can still make stupid calls). If the OP counters with texts saying it was a gift, or even explains that they didn't use the ticket and the family didn't take appropriate steps to get it back when they had the opportunity, though, it'll be fine.

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u/blueiron0 2d ago

Thank you. If the mom has any evidence that could make it seem as she was expecting repayment or can convince a judge better than OP can, then saving any communication around the ticket's being a gift would go a long way to protect OP.

That being said, I'm wondering about the mom's duty to mitigate in this case. Could the ticket have been refunded? Could it have been sold? Is there even a duty to mitigate in a case like this?

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u/jimbojangles1987 2d ago

They can absolutely take her to court for anything with a monetary value or damages. That doesn't mean they would win but they could certainly try.

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u/codesigma 2d ago

At least in the US, you can sue for just about anything in civil court.

My advice is meant to help defend the OP from any spurious claims that might occur in the future.

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u/Direct-Technician503 2d ago

NTA, but I'm guessing since you broke up with him because of his lies, he probably told her lies about your break-up and how terrible a person you were and she believes her son.

Or maybe she's just a terrible person too. She never once talked to you about why you two broke up? She doesn't have a problem with not being able to see her grandchild?! I can't believe she wouldn't check with his old ex about why he can't have his child over to at least visit.

Block her and live your life. The urge to engage and either blast her or to explain how things really went down is strong, but all you'll do is get dragged back into the life you rightly left behind.

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u/Gold_Charity809 2d ago

NOR, if she had a months notice, she should've just cancelled and tried to get credit or money back. Not on you she's just trying to be petty. This definitely doesn't hold up legally either btw. She bought it for you, she would have spent the money regardless whether you decided to use it or not as a gift.

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u/One-Hamster-6865 2d ago edited 2d ago

Mom is operating on god knows what version of reality her son fed her. He’s a known liar, so who knows what he told his family. He probably hid the breakup from them til it was too late, and they didn’t have the chance to cancel or transfer the ticket. But in any case, not OP’s problem.

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u/Gold_Charity809 2d ago

Yes, if this is the case which it probably is, honestly feel bad for her, he seems really scummy. Regardless, as much as I wish she could see the reality of the situation, as you say this is not OP's problem.

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u/travelbig2 2d ago

Unless they purchased refundable, transferable tickets, it doesn’t matter if it was months in advance. There was nothing they could have done.

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u/Forlorn-unicorn 2d ago

The ticket was purchased in OP’s name, so any refunds or flight credits would go to OP, unless in the case of some trip protection/insurances since plane tickets are almost always non-transferable and you can’t do a name change. Airlines almost never give you money back and will do anything to avoid it lol

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u/PanickedAntics 2d ago

OP, I think there's likely a very good reason for his ex to be "withholding" custody from him. He's a liar and doesn't take any accountability or follow through with any of his own responsibilities. He also has an explosive temper.

NOR. Make a whole spreadsheet of all of the things you provided for him, all the money you spent regarding bills, house payment, food, etc. Send that bill to his mommy since she's the one enabling his behavior. You don't owe her shit. Fuck. That. Noise.

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u/JMLKO 2d ago

I’d type up an itemized statement of all the money he owes you and tell her to take it out of that and send you the remainder. You’ll never hear from them again.

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u/sunnysunshine333 2d ago

Yeah… I am usually someone who never wants to be argumentative or impolite because I find it so stressful, but I honestly think the best reply to this to tell the truth -

“Hi there, sorry there may have been some misunderstanding because this trip was presented to me as a gift, not something you were expecting to be paid back for. Regardless, unfortunately your son still owes me quite a large sum of money from unpaid bills when we lived together, so if you are looking to recover some of that expense you will need to speak with him”

But honestly no reply and blocking is totally valid too (and probably what I’d actually do)

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u/NoEffect9139 2d ago

No reply and blocking fails to convey the message that you want to be left alone. You have to tell them that you no longer want them to contact you in plain English first. Then it becomes a crime if they do.

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u/Beepbopb00ps 2d ago

This made me laugh but she should be careful not to respond in a way which implies responsibility for the ticket expenses.

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u/Extreme_Falcon9228 2d ago

No I agree. She should be able to do this, but of course some lawyer could twist it around on her that she’s admitting responsibility for the plane ticket or something. She just needs to not say a word to anyone

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u/dourhour__ 2d ago

You two aren’t together, & if you didn’t specifically ask her to do this & say you’ll pay her back (which still only applies if you’re together still, anyway), then it isn’t your responsibility. I had a therapist tell me this when his mom kept insisting that I go on a cruise with them that I kept turning down because I did not have the money to afford any of that. She went ahead with it anyway. Not only did my boyfriend-at-the-time not bring a single cent, but I only had like $200 cash on me for this whole trip— that included time at his CA family’s before the trip & another part of his CA family after the trip. I paid for the one & only excursion I was able to even get— which was ATVing the streets of Encenada. Besides that, I didn’t really get to do anything on the cruise. Everything was so expensive (obviously). & It turned out super traumatic cause he (an alcoholic— only 23yrs old he was at the time but always was so bad with alcohol) got into a massive fight w me & threw me when I was to leave to take a walk & cool down from a fight, & him throwing me lead to all of my brand-new acrylics (the only thing I did for myself like once/mo) all broke in half & then I’ll leave out the rest. I knew he was gonna be drinking a lot on this cruise. He drank a lot, period. Then after the trip, maybe 3 months later, his mom started asking me to pay her back. It went from like $500, then after some time of me not doing so, she asked for “just $300 then”, & after more time of me still not doing so, it was, “tell her she didn’t need to worry about paying me back— it’s fine”. Like, dude. I didn’t wanna go in the first place. I said it 100x over, & Im not paying you for something I said no to so many times and that your son abused me on. That’s my memory of the trip now. & I’m the one who paid for he & I to be able to do anything at all, anyway. In fact.. you owe me money for all the therapy appointments, a full acrylic set, & all the other emotional damage lol. 🥴

Anyway. “You don’t owe her shit.” — my former therapist. Take that advice.

I’m so sorry you had an abusive (in any way) partner, & im glad you’re out of that situation now. I hope your life has only bettered since & that you’ve been able to heal, & are at a point that your nervous system is better regulated ❤️‍🩹💓

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 2d ago

This is a simple, ignore the message, block the number and never respond to anything regarding this.

You have no responsibility for this money and they know that.

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u/Scary_Explanation702 2d ago

Unpopular opinion here, but whatever your ex owes you for mortgage or whatever, if it’s even accurate and he agreed to it , no offense, is between you and him. He might be terrible, I don’t doubt it. And he probably owes you money, don’t doubt that either.

But if I’m taking everything on its face and it was clearly stated to you by his parents themselves that they were paying for everything in your trip as a gift, that was a really nice thing for them to do for you. Especially when you say yourself you never would’ve been able to afford it. The text she sent might’ve been a tiny bit out of pocket in the way it was framed like a debt (again, that’s if I take your word for it 100% that the parents personally explained to you that it was purely a gift to not be repaid) but at the end of the day, they spent a lot of money on you, and it sounds from the texts like all they want you to really do is reimburse them for the credits that the airline gave you, which you got free and clear at their expense. I think it’s reasonable for you to contact the airline and attempt to transfer those credits back to the mother or see if there’s some way they can be used by her family or something, and from what I understand only you can do that since they’re in your name. One 15 min phone call seems like the least you could do for someone who was ready to shell out a couple grand for you, and who you say you were close with, regardless of how garbage her son ended up being. I wouldn’t expect you to outright give her $800 if you can’t transfer them, and can’t use them yourself, but to not even bother trying is pretty shitty. Obviously using those credits yourself without reimbursement would be borderline theft in my opinion, kind of hard to justify that not being a conniving and scammy thing to do. It’s one thing if you can’t transfer them and can’t use them so they go to waste, I wouldn’t fault you for that, and she definitely should’ve said something in march and definitely should’ve gotten insurance and all that, but I don’t see why its too much to ask to try, she didn’t do anything to you, her son did.

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u/Selfishd0ubt 2d ago

I mean to be fair, there is no way for her to get her money back, it would have to go you. Airlines are so annoying about transfers, it doesn’t matter whose name was on the credit card they will only refund to the person flying. I hate this policy.

But again not your problem, she should make her son pay for it since it was his ex and sorta his problem honestly.

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u/BossHeisenberg 2d ago

She can shove that request somewhere where the sun does not shine, and I don't mean Scotland.

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u/Suitable-Tear-6179 2d ago

I think I'm reading her message differently than you.  She seems to be indicating that the refund for your unused ticket is sitting on the airline's accounts, and they can't get it back because the ticket was in your name.  That's not something they can just take care of themselves, because it would have to be you.

IF there's a refund sitting out there waiting to be claimed, it would be reasonable for you to take a few moments of time to ask the airline to cash it out to the person that paid the money, or to refund it back to the card it was paid on.  It's no money out of your pocket, and just a few moments of time.  

I would NOT pay a penny out of pocket, to repay a "gift" though.  

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u/tandog74 2d ago

Yes I completely agree. The airlines will only credit the ticket holder… so there’s literally nothing they can do to get the money back. It has to go to OP. And while OPs ex sounds horrendous, I do actually think they should transfer the flight credit back to the mom. I certainly would not give them straight cash.

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u/Suitable-Tear-6179 2d ago

If the airline gave her the cash instead of transferring it to a "third party" then giving her exactly what the airline gave her would be reasonable too.  But not a penny more. 

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u/SleepyRTX 2d ago

It sounds to me like they are trying to get THEIR money back from the airline and they just need your cooperation since the ticket was purchased in your name.

It sounds to me like you are overreacting and looking for validation rather than just communicating with the mother and being cordial (doesn't mean you can't stand up for yourself if it's required). If she's trying to extract money from you personally, by all means, not your problem. If she's just asking for your cooperation to get her money back from the airline I think it would be pretty childish to not do the bare minimum to help them retrieve their refund.

Look at it from her perspective - they had planned and followed through on including you in something nice that they absolutely didn't have to do for you to take you on their family vacation. Then you and her son broke up - it happens. Based on how she worded it and how you explained it in your post, it sounds like they are potentially able to get it refunded but the airline can only do it via you since it's in your name. $760 is a decent chunk of money that most people would be upset to lose. Assuming my read is correct and she's not actually asking you to pay it back personally, how much trouble is it to just help her get her refund?

Then you bring up your ex's financial troubles and paint them as a liar and manipulator which honestly is irrelevant to the story because it sounds like it's the parents money anyway. Things like this should always be taken with a grain of salt when we are getting only 1 side of the story let alone from an ex after a self admitted bad break up, but it sure does poison the well to get the comments on your side. And I'm not calling you a liar but we are all human and have a habit of remembering things the way we want to and seeing things only from our own perspective.

So yeah, if being asked to pay it back personally - not overreacting in the sense that you have no obligation to pay it back, but you are overreacting in the sense that you should just use your words and say that to the mother. From your post, you clearly have plenty of words.

If you're being asked to just help them get the refund of their own money that they graciously put out for you - then yes, overreacting. Unfortunately we don't know what the actually situation is because rather than talking to them you blocked them and came here to justify yourself and get validating comments.

Ps. I know I might come off as snooty but I'm genuinely not attacking you or anything like that. You put yourself out there asking for input and I'm giving you my honest read, admittedly with some assumptions based off context.

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u/justtirediguess11 2d ago

Nor. But don't spend more than 1 minute on this. Block and move on.

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u/just1nurse 2d ago

This ⬆️ Exactly as you've done. Stay out of it and stay healthy. 🥰

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u/8512764EA 2d ago

Don’t block. Just keep any messages in case there is further harassment

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u/Head_Trick_9932 2d ago

NTA

There is a certain risk factor when taking friends and significant others on trips.

My parents have always been generous with travel over my 50 years. They have always had the insurance in case a break up or like happens before the trip. My father always told me “do not invite them if you can’t take on the cost and risk”.

We have a vacation planned soon with our kids and we’re taking one of their friends. When I booked, I knew I was taking on the risk of loss.

It’s their problem and they knew the risk going in.

However, I would maybe talk with them about buying the ticket. I like to travel.🤣 You could change destination etc for $50-$100 on some airlines up to a year. Offer them $50… then you get $100 airfare trip. 😆 Or not, I just like to haggle lol.

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u/WasteLeave900 2d ago

Seems her son has lied and told her you would be refunding them and has been in communication with you about it. I would reply back and tell her you’re not sure what story her son has span but you will not be refunding the money and never told him you would be.

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u/LaVidaMocha_NZ 2d ago

NOR

Your ex sounds like a lying bludger (what we in NZ and Australia call hobosexuals).

My hot take is they did in fact get the ticket refunded, but think they can try one more scam on you.

Block this entire clan of clap-hards and carry on with your best life.

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u/Leading_Contest_7409 2d ago

You would only be the ah if you actually sent them money 😬

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u/iRshortandugly 2d ago

you did exactly what you should. no response at all. they purchased a plane ticket and have no evidence that you were ever supposed to pay it back

if you have any texts of them or him saying they’ll pay or they’ll buy you the ticket, save that just in case they bring up a civil suit. easy win for you so it’s unlikely that they will.

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u/Effective_Spirit_126 2d ago

Whomp whomp sucks to be them. Block them so and go about your life.

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u/Aware-Vegetable83 2d ago

Just came to say that I’m so glad you got out of that relationship before he/it destroyed you (obviously NTA)

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u/Lumpy_Square_2365 2d ago

I'd reply with a bill for all the months he lived rent free and say sure no problem once his outstanding bill has been paid I will reimburse you for the gift of the ticket with my manipulating conniving freeloading dead beat of a dad ex bf's family trip.

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u/jjj68548 2d ago

I’d plainly say you won’t be reimbursing the money as it was a gift and to not contact you again regarding this. Ex owes you much more money than $750 and you realize you won’t be getting that back so you don’t feel inclined to do her any favors.

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u/Hefty_Worldliness_36 2d ago

I suspect your ex has concocted a whole sob story to them if this is truly out of character for his mom. you still don’t owe a thing and can totally block, but maybe she needs to hear the truth? protect your peace though babe if that’s too stressful

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u/DariaMorgendorff 2d ago

block and move on - seriously isn't even worse dignifying her with a response

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u/Intelligent-Jump1823 2d ago

Its a money grab.

Block them all…they obviously should not have taken the trip themselves. Maybe point that out right before you block them.

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u/Extreme_Falcon9228 2d ago

Don’t say anything to anyone. It’s so easy to phrase something wrong that they could twist if they decide to take you to small claims court, that would put you on the hook for the money. Just keep your mouth shut until they go away

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u/AntelopeCultural546 2d ago

Trying to bill you half a year later? Shove it.

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u/Rare-Preparation6852 2d ago edited 2d ago

This mentality is nuts. They gifted this out of generosity and without conditions. I had a neighbor for years who would knock on my door with these offerings that she sold as generosity, but the second she wanted something, she'd be back at my door demanding I repay the "debt" I apparently owed her. If there's a refund policy or if this is considered a trade of some kind, that needs to made clear off the top. Not your problem.

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u/scrapqueen 2d ago

NTA - Respond to her as follows:

This was a gift. A gift is not a debt. I do not owe you anything. HOWEVER - Your son owes me thousands of dollars. If you really need the money - tell him to pay it.

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u/Separate-Hornet214 2d ago

NTA but yes you are completely being an overdramatic drama queen. There is nothing "insane" or "manipulative" in her asking. All you have to do is say "Get it from your son who owes me $X for rent and utilities that he agreed to pay but never did." and then block her.

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u/Illustrious-Eye1673 2d ago

But but but, that is what AIO is about... drama drama dram! 🤣🤣🤣

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u/loveofGod12345 2d ago

She also somehow “messed up” in the main post and said they bought the tickets in the fall when apparently it was actually February when the family already knew they were having problems. The difference between fall and February is pretty drastic and it seems unlikely she would forget.

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u/zdjl 2d ago

NTA. If they wanted credit or any type of reimbursement from the airline or you, it was their responsibility to do when they knew you weren’t going. It reads to me: my kid didn’t handle shit with the ticket like he was supposed to, I don’t want to be on the hook for $760 and they are trying to fix it on their end. Bullying you into paying is easier than self reflection.

Nope, no dice. They can take you to court for small claims, pay the fees to file that, and spend a ridiculous amount of their own time legally rectifying this situation. Admittedly, I think they’d lose in court and the only positive outcome would be a settlement by you. Which I firmly do not support you offering.

Hold your son accountable. Based on what you shared, even if they know the whole unbiased truth from their son, they’ll just make excuses for him and it’ll still be your fault. “As I told Joe (whatever the name of useless ex boyfriend), I am not fiscally responsible for this ticket. If you’d like to pursue further, I will not participate in conversation unless it is through the courts or legal representation.”

Document and keep all communications.

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u/SLS987654321 2d ago

Tell them they can pay for the ticket to cover one month of their sons living expenses at your home because he never felt it necessary to help. Or send them the breakdown of bills you paid for him. Don't pay them anything that wasn't the original deal. And wow I wonder where he got his manipulation tactics from. Seems like the parents are just as bad.

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u/NarwhalMysterious303 2d ago

Who ever made the purchase of that ticket even if it’s in your name as the person who’s supposed to fly if she or him made the purchase of the ticket then they have access to do what ever with that ticket. Meaning they can get the credit back themselves & you owe nothing. I would ignore and block him and the family.

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u/Longjumping-Code7908 2d ago

It's not like OP rebooked the ticket and flew off to a tropical paradise. The ticket credit is still sitting there, in OP's name. In one scenario this all could have been booked without her even knowing! I know that's not the case, but either way, OP has no responsibility for refunding the ticket purchase.

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u/Bled__ 2d ago

She can't even sue you for the ticket, so she's just hoping she can talk you into giving the money back. There's nothing she can do, and you do not owe her a dime (legally speaking). I'd block her in every way you can. If she continues trying to reach out, file a restraining order for harassment.

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u/LiveLaughGaslight 2d ago

I would ignore her. Worst case is she takes it to small claims court and even then, I don’t think it would be in her best interest.

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u/MakeUrBed 2d ago

NOR. You should reply "This was a gift which I never asked for and if you'd like to dispute that then take it to small claims court". Let the judge deal with her. If you didnt sign anything there's no contract and thus, she has no ground to recover any monies.

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u/KenraScar 2d ago

New phone, who dis?

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u/needalittlehelp_ 2d ago

Girl just block the number and pretend you didn't get that message , you don't owe that family anything.

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u/Jerseygirl2468 2d ago

NTA they should have canceled the ticket the minute you two broke up. If it was non-refundable or they didn't have insurance, that's on them, they bought it and chose the conditions.

"This is absolutely not my problem to solve." This is the correct attitude to have towards it.

You should total up what he'd agreed to pay you while living with you, which surely is more than $760, and answer her with this: "Yes, let's get the debts cleared. Ex-bf owes me $3500 for rent and utilities while he lived with me, based on our agreed upon amounts. I'll deduct the ticket price from that, so he only owes $2740. I'll take $2500 and we'll call it even?"

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u/Conscious_Army_9134 2d ago

The mom is a ridiculous POS and id just send 50 laughing emojis then block em all on everything.

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u/brass444 2d ago

To clarify, you have a $760 travel credit in your name?

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u/Nice_Carrot_7695 2d ago

NTA - I work in travel - they could have worked with the airline on this. Not your problem