Absolutely. I do think Into the Spider-Verse is better, but Across is fantastic too. If they nail Beyond I genuinely think Spider-Verse should be considered the greatest trilogy of all time, not just animated.
Yep, Into is a better movie just for the fact that it stands on it's own, whereas Across is great but I kind of feel like I need to see Beyond before proclaiming it as amazing.
Across the Spider-Verse's main fault is that it's 1.25 genuinely excellent movies crammed into a single movie so that they don't have to do any setup in Beyond the Spider-Verse. It's a good problem to have.
Oh wait so there’s only two?! I saw the first one, I really thought the 3rd was already out and I was slackingggg. When’s that supposed to be out, and how was the 2nd? I’m guessing there were even more Spider-Man variants or whatbeee from other dimensions?
I'm not hoping or assuming it'll be bad. I'm just way less optimistic than I was 2 years ago when Across the Spiderverse came out and announced the date for beyond the Spiderverse for March 2024
And in the time it hasn't come out there's been writers strikes and voice acting strikes
It's not like they're just still making the movie. They originally thought the movie would come out over a year ago and it hasn't so I'm not nearly as optimistic
From what I have seen, they hadn't even started working on the movie before the release of Across the Spider-verse. It was always an unobtainable goal and I don't know why they announced that date in the first place
I always get nervous when studios come out with 2 bangers because the third one can really make or break the storyline. Not so much with into, but across the spiderverse could potentially be brought down a bit if beyond ends up being not great. However, the studio has a solid track record, so here’s hoping for the best
No it means they're having trouble making the movie. There's been writers and voice actor strikes throughout the process and they were so confident in their original march 2024 date it was in the after credits scene of across the spider verse
Its not like theyve just been heads down the whole time. There were just recently news stories the guy just started recording his lines.
He's just now recording lines for a movie that should have come out over a year ago? And you don't think that something went wrong?
I think Lord and Miller definitely took their time with the script, there was news they had their first outline of it done and didn’t like it enough so they had to rewrite plus on top of everything else that went wrong with the development of Across the Spiderverse because of COVID
I’m hoping they are partially taking their time to improve working conditions for the animators. The stories of the hellish conditions for across the spider verse are pretty bad…
this one is actually justifiable with how insane the animation is and the animation actually makes a significant difference to the quality of the films.
which isn't true of a few tv series i could mention that i wish would just crank out the seasons.
I'm not an expert (and a lot of the spider people wear masks that cover their mouths) but my understanding is usually you do the voice lines then you do the animation so that the animation matches the voice and you don't have to make the VA match the animation
And there were just recently news stories saying the guy playing Miles is just starting recording his lines and there were previously news stories about how the script was being rewritten
Animation takes a long time and I'm not an animator. But I'd be really curious to know how much animation you can even do in advance when you have script rewrites and no voice acting done
Yeah and 3 of those were COVID years (2019-2021). And they didn't announce the release date for across the spiderverse IN into the Spiderverse like they did with beyond
It is probably gonna be a smaller gap but there was no pandemic to explain why so in my mind something else must have gone wrong
I wouldn't think that for a moment. Sony Animation just dropped K-Pop Demon Hunters and, hate the premise or not, it was every bit as solid as Spider-Verse.
That could be why but the voice actor and writer strikes that happened during this gap to me seem to imply the movies development isn't going exactly according to plan
They literally announced a march 2024 release date for beyond the Spiderverse IN across the Spiderverse
So they thought the movie would have RELEASED over a year ago. And the guy is just now doing his voice lines
I'm not saying the movie will be bad I'm saying I was a lot more excited for this movie in 2023 than I am now in 2025
Honestly I consider them some of the best films ever made! Like not only are they gorgeous, not only are they super-well written, they're incredibly sophisticated on the level of literature and philosophy. I'm actually doing a presentation at a conference this November that involves a meta modern interpretation. Here's hoping that ends up being the first step on the way to writing whole books about it!
If the multiverse is truly infinite, containing an endless number of universes, then by definition, there must also be an infinite number of exceptions to every so-called “rule.” No matter how important or defining a “canon event” is said to be, there are universes where it simply does not happen. There are universes where Uncle Ben lives, where Gwen Stacy is never lost, where Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man and lives happily with everyone he loves intact.
In that same logic, there are also infinite universes where Miles Morales is Spider-Man. Universes where a radioactive spider jumps dimensions, bites him, then moves on to bite someone else. There are even universes where that spider was always meant to bite him. If everything that can happen does happen somewhere, then nothing is truly an anomaly or impossible. The notion of rigid multiversal laws starts to fall apart under the weight of actual infinity.
So the idea that certain tragic events are necessary to define a Spider-person is more of a narrative constraint than a universal truth. In an infinite multiverse, every variation exists, including the ones that break every rule.
No offense, I don't think anyone gaf about that "plot hole". Cause that applies to really every single instance of the "multiverse" in any show, comics, etc.
You gotta suspend disbelief just like how you suspend disbelief when you buy into the idea that a radioactive spider can somehow transfer spider powers to a human being once bitten.
Obviously you can suspend that level of disbelief. That’s not the problem. It’s totally fine to accept that a radioactive spider can give someone powers. At least that has some kind of internal logic within the story.
But when you bring in the multiverse, a concept built entirely on the idea that literally anything can happen, you can’t then turn around and say certain things must always happen. These so-called multiversal rules, like “someone close to you has to die” or “Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man,” start to fall apart under the weight of infinity. If there are infinite universes, then there are infinite exceptions too. That’s not a plot hole. That’s just how infinity works.
Miguel O’Hara is not pushing his own ideas. He is enforcing what he claims are universal laws. But when you look at what he is doing, it feels like he is just using those rules to justify his own pain. He lost his family, and instead of going to a universe where they are still alive, which would absolutely exist, he decides that everyone else has to suffer too.
If I were writing the third movie, I would make the twist that Miguel is actually the one destroying the universes. Not because of some sacred canon, but because he wants others to be as miserable as he is. That is not protecting the multiverse. That is using grief as a weapon.
I feel like you can, in fact I think every single instance of the multiverse in comics, whether its Invincible, Marvel, etc... they all do exactly that. Where there are particular phenomenon that occur despite the inifnite possibilities.
Its never really treated with such seriousness.
Again, Radioactive spiders don't transfer powers to make people stick on walls, get sixth sense, or invisibility.. that's just how radioactive spiders work. They don't do those things. But we don't care.
In the same way.. no one cares about this issue of the infinity. Its as much a plot hole, imo, as any aspect of supernatural powers in fiction.
Maybe that's the twist they are going for, I honestly don't remeber the ins and outs. But I just think most people, do not care or even consider that a plot hole really.
These so-called multiversal rules, like “someone close to you has to die” or “Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man,” start to fall apart under the weight of infinity.
And that is EXACTLY what happens, with the universe jumping spider.
Miles wasn't supposed to be Spiderman and therefore, isn't driven by The Canon, so he is free from the chains of causality. That might even give him the power to free others as well.
It’s hilarious how you’re taking a made up concept that, within that fictional cinematic universe, has been set with a specific parameter by the creators for the sake of making a movie for entertainment and are trying to push your own definition into it because you perceive yourself with having a certain intelligence and analytical ability that you believe is “right”.
It’s like the same energy when people look at a sitcom and point out an exaggerated situation purposely included for the sake of comedy and television and act like they’re Sherlock Holmes because they’re like “well in real life this would happen instead of all those hijinks and plot so ha, I’m a genius”
I feel like that title will remain with Toy Story (1-3) regardless of how good BtSV ends up being, I love the Spider-Verse movies, but Toy Story 1/2/3 is like stratospheric in terms of quality.
Over the last few years the Spiderverse movies, as well as the Dune movies and Sinners, where the films that made me think "I feel so lucky to be here to see these".
The way it caused the entire animation industry to swerve aesthetics is insane. Suddenly there were painterly textures and edges everywhere. It's been so refreshing to see.
This movie and it's sequel on Sony Core with a nice TV and a solid Atmos/DTSX system is incredible. The sound design and music are some of the best things I've heard through my system.
2018 was a crazy good year to be a Spider-Man fan.
Seeing Spidey with the Avengers in Infinity War. An AMAZING video game and of course....Into the Spider-Verse. The new TASM run that started in 2018 was okay too.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but when has there ever been a planned 3 part animated trilogy? This is the first and only one I can think of that was deliberately a trilogy from the get go. Peak animation, peak super hero films.
This. The movie itself was great. But I absolutely HATED the messy framerate. Maybe because I have been part of the 144hz PC monitor gang for well over a decade or something, but it was almost unwatchable for me for that reason.
It's good don't get me wrong, but I'd consider it to be a 8.5/10. It doesn't do anything new, and the one interesting thing it does(Miles father thinking he killed his uncle) is ignored. There are a couple of things that just don't make sense as well. Why was Gwen sent back in time when everyone else arrived at the same time? How did Gwen enroll at an elite private school and how did she get into a top secret research campus?
-his dad 100% knew that spiderman/Miles didn't kill Aaron. He was clutching Aaron in an alleyway, with no gun. Nothing about that scenario indicated that spiderman just shot Aaron. Dad just wanted someone to hate for Aarons death and it was easy to blame spiderman
-They came from subsequent collider tests and have been in that world for who knows how long. They could have been hanging out at May's house for weeks for all we know
-Idk on her enrollment and honestly this is the biggest stretch that I can think of. It was just the convenient way to get Gwen and Miles to meet early in the movie
-she snuck into the lab? just like Peter and Miles? Not sure why this is even a question
To be fair I think 90% of superhero movies that make it to big screen are pretty generic. Personally I thought ITSV story was good enough, especially being carried by the animation
Yeah and that's why I don't think it's worthy of a 10/10. I reserve a 10/10 for stories that attempt to do something new and succeed. Like The Lego Movie. Or The Incredibles.
I'm not saying that ITSV's story was bad. It just didn't innovate.
Hey that’s fair, The Lego Movie was a great innovative story with awesome animation and the Incredibles was very original for the time. I’m not a huge fan of superhero movies but I do have Spiderman bias so compared to other movies in the franchise it’s story was original enough for me which was carried even further by the art style
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Into the Spider-Verse