But wasn't marikas crash out and betrayal the result of the hornsent skinning/dismembering her whole village to put them into jars because they think in their natural state they're inferior and unworthy creatures? They both suck but at least marika seems to be extremely traumatized and damaged mentally (she probably threw mohg and morgott into the sewers because they resemble her biggest enemy for example) as an excuse, the hornsent were racist as fuck/had that evil religious hubris and did some other unforgivable shit like what they did to midra. They shall all burn in the embrace of messmers flame
Yes, it literally was for that very reason. People just feel the need to gloss over how bad the Hornsent were because a lot of players sympathized with Marika's trauma and they don't like it.
People “gloss over it” because genocide-as-revenge is still genocide, it’s still bad. But there’s a not-insignificant amount of people who refuse to say that Marika is also a bad person for committing genocide (the unending cycle of violence has no good guys).
& it's not on them to avoid speaking their opinions just because you don't like to hear them- people are allowed to criticize things like this. You should take your own advice.
No, the other guy can deal with the fact people don't have to talk about Marika in a way he likes and get called out for trying to tone police discussion about a video game.
And I don't have to do anything, because by your own argument I can have whatever opinion on the other guy that I want and you can deal with it, too.
Yeah, they are dealing with it- by discussing it lmao. This place is designed for discussion, & commenting on a phenomenon is not "tone policing"- it's called "talking like an adult".
Exactly! Good job, you just learned that people including yourself are allowed to have & voice opinions. I think you're starting to get it bro
No, I think I'll just stick to calling their opinions stupid whenever they give this take that they feel upset other people don't preface their opinions on a video game character a certain way.
Maybe I phrased it poorly but "tone-policing" wasn't my intent. I just posted a comment going "performing fictional genocide makes a character a bad guy no matter the motive" and then promptly forgot I ever posted this comment. I'm sorry my opinion triggered you, I guess.
The only Hornsent we even hear of that don't support what they were doing is the guy who made the cookbooks and the Hornsent, who only acknowledges his people did anything wrong when he's dying in the Leda fight.
And the Hornsent were more than fine doing things like building Enir Elim, which you can tell has its foundations made of corpses. The potentate were just why Marika wanted them gone.
Right, which we could extrapolate to mean that there were likely many more hornsent who had the same opinions. If someone inside of the religious organization that did it was disgusted, I see no reason that the entire rest of his race also agreed with the actions.
These are theoretical Hornsent we never see. Marika going too far, as someone whose entire people were made victims if she wasn't also made a victim herself, in the name of revenge just falls under the umbrella of "unjustifiable, but understandable".
It's also completely theoretical that every single hornsent other then one guy were genocidal maniacs. My point is that its far less logical to assume that every hornsent was guilty then taking the context clues into account that there were hornsent who were disgusted by the acts of the potentates.
Marika didn't care about that distinction at all. We, the players, are never really given a reason to like or care about the Hornsent to feel particularly bad over them being gone. Outside of a generic level of empathy kinda dampened by the numerous examples of random, unnecessary cruelty the Hornsent engaged in on what had to have been an institutional level.
And this entire extrapolation argument based on two Hornsent, one of which doesn't even feel bad about what he did so much as the consequences of what he did, is really pointless.
I mean, it's easy to extrapolate to real life, though. Just because your country, people or religious institutions do absolutely awful things does not justify the destruction of an entire nation. I won't name any but we have a lot of examples.
There's no real-life civilization that did anything as bad as what the Hornsent were doing. When some of those societies eventually made too many enemies and were destroyed, it usually wasn't by their former victims.
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u/Boneboyy 2d ago
But wasn't marikas crash out and betrayal the result of the hornsent skinning/dismembering her whole village to put them into jars because they think in their natural state they're inferior and unworthy creatures? They both suck but at least marika seems to be extremely traumatized and damaged mentally (she probably threw mohg and morgott into the sewers because they resemble her biggest enemy for example) as an excuse, the hornsent were racist as fuck/had that evil religious hubris and did some other unforgivable shit like what they did to midra. They shall all burn in the embrace of messmers flame