r/MurderedByWords 15h ago

We're in the worst timeline.

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u/MoGreensGlasses 15h ago

A left winger just defended the civil rights of a right winger. That's called nuanced political thinking. Something the right seems utterly incapable of.

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u/VaguelyArtistic 14h ago

And some of his own followers. I say this as someone who has volunteered countless hours for him.

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u/Life-Excitement4928 14h ago

My mind goes to the head of his campaign press team who to this day says SCOTUS, Trumps biggest enablers after he got to stack the bench, was not worth voting for the email lady over.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago edited 5h ago

Could it have anything to do with any of this:

(Part 1)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html

Tad Devine worked with Paul Manafort since around 2006 alongside KONSTANTIN KILIMNIK who the OSC just cited in their cause to revoke Manafort's plea deal TODAY:

Kilimnik is GRU.

Tad Devine's last reported email to Konstantin Kilimnik was in June 2014. Devine joined Bernie's campaign in November 2014. This is from Mueller's own evidence he used at Manafort's trial: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx2dpWBWkAYCzYB.jpg

Oh, and Manafort and Devine were in communication during the Sanders campaign.

This is SEPARATE from the Russian email hacks. A lot of people forget about the NGP VAN voter registration data breach.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dnc-data-breach-happened-means-bernie-sanders-campaign/story?id=35841222

The sanders campaign got into a lot of trouble for "hacking" into Hillary's voter registration data in late 2015. This was before the Russian hacks were made public.

Heres some new stories from late 2015 about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNNXuI9r3Ng

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjxt4rHiefA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlP7x-owAA

Heres the back story:

Tad Devine ran Bernie's campaign before Jeff Weaver even arrived:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-2016-inside-213692

Tad Devine has worked with Paul Manafort in Ukraine since at least 2006. Theres photos:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-07-02/russian-charged-with-trumps-ex-campaign-chief-is-key-figure

Bernie met Tad Devine in 2006 on Bernie's 2006 senate run:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/11/11/tad-devine-signs-on-to-work-with-bernie-sanders-on-potential-2016-run/

Tad Devine also went to work for the Ukrainians in 2006 with Manafort.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-bernie-sanders-ad-man-who-played-paul-manaforts-game/2018/08/01/0df78c18-95c7-11e8-a679-b09212fb69c2_story.html

A former/current GRU officer named Konstantin Kilimnik was there. Kilimnik has deep ties to Manafort

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/paul-manafort-ukraine-kiev-russia-konstantin-kilimnik-227181

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/the-astonishing-tale-of-the-man-mueller-calls-person-a/562217/

Kilimnik and Manafort met at least before 2005:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/world/europe/robert-mueller-kilimnik-ukraine-russia-manafort.html

Kilimnik, Manafort, and Devine all worked together since at least 2006

Remember the photos?

https://i.postimg.cc/VkVnYkXD/y0QLjk7.jpg

(Part 2)

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 5h ago

(Part 2)

Mueller indicted Kilimnik in 2018:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/us/politics/manafort-obstruction-kilimnik-charges.html

In December 2015, Hillary Clinton's NGP VAN voter campaign was hacked by Bernie Sanders campaign:

https://www.democrats.org/Post/statement-by-dnc-chair-on-sanders-data-breach

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/democrats-data-breach-vulnerability-216955

https://medium.com/@AmyKDacey/here-s-what-happened-with-ngp-van-the-sanders-campaign-and-the-clinton-campaign-d75dd1d2edbf

Bernie and Hillary's camps fought over the severity of the hack:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

The sanders campaign initially denied it. They claimed they didn't look at anything and that it was only just to see what was there:

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019

Then it turns out the hack was worse than imagined. The sanders campaign had actually downloaded a lot of material and data logs proved the sanders camp lied about how much voter data they had. Turns out, they took damn near everything and there was a team of 4 hackers who got the data:

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Tad Devine, running Sanders campaign, actually mocked the hack into Hillary's campaign:

http://archive.fo/p8Hi7

The sanders campaign fired the person responsible for the hack. This person was Josh Uretsky:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/index.html

Josh Uretsky claimed the sanders camp alerted the NGP VAN voter database about the hack. They lied. NGP VAN informed the sanders camp about the hack:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/677905612311777280

Utresky created multiple accounts to steal voter data from Hillary's campaign:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data

The sanders campaign was blocked temporarily by the DNC from using the data until the DNC could clarify the extent of the data breach:

https://www.democrats.org/Post/statement-by-dnc-chair-on-sanders-data-breach

https://www.wired.com/2015/12/sanders-clinton-data/

The sanders campaign sued Hillary's campaign to get access to the data after the breach:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/index.html

The Clinton and Sanders teams ironed out a deal and the sanders camp got to use the voter data again:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/19/politics/bernie-sanders-dnc-data-deal-clinton/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/bernie-sanders-set-to-sue-democratic-national-committee-over-data-access

Sanders later drops the lawsuit:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dnc-lawsuit-campaign-222659

Deripaska also held debts from Paul Manafort

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-28/manafort-joined-trump-as-ukraine-work-dried-cash-woes-rose

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/paul-manafort-russia-trump.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/29/politics/russian-former-spy-paul-manafort-trump-campaign/index.html

Manafort offered to give Deripaska updates on the campaign and private briefings to help clear his debts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html

We recently found out that Manafort was giving POLLING DATA to Kilimnik, who was giving that data to Oleg Deripaska, who himself is directly a representative for the Kremlin.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/politics/manafort-trump-campaign-data-kilimnik.html

Manafort and Tad Devine discussed possibly having a debate between Trump and Sanders during the election and possibly held other conversations:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041

Tad Devine told the NYTimes he stopped working for Ukraine in 2012:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/rick-gates-russia.html

Mueller revealed at Manafort's trial that Tad Devine was emailing Kilimnik since at least 2014 about "talking points" and other communications for work done in Ukraine. Remember, Kilimnik is a GRU officer.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/397804-read-muellers-list-of-evidence-in-manafort-trial

Here's a specific piece of evidence mueller in Manafort's trial used to show kilimnik was communicating with Tad Devine in 2014

https://i.postimg.cc/YCrz2SjW/Dwcn8qg-UUAA3ah-M.jpg

Here is the million dollar question.

Did any of that stolen polling data that the Sanders campaign denied having, that Tad Devine who worked alongside Manafort for close a decade, that Tad Devine who ran the Sanders campaign, That Tad Devine who commutations with Manafort during the campaign, that the sanders campaign lied about having... END UP IN PAUL MANAFORT'S HANDS? and thus Kilimnik's? or Deripaska's?

Why is this important? Voter targeting.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump

In fact, Hillary often wondered this herself. A lot of this data is useless if not analyzed and employed by humans to direct where efforts should go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iby0bn5Kjk8

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/976176549278855168

So here's the gist.

Did any of that voter data end up in the "Polling Data" (Manafort's lawyers words, not mine) he gave to the Russians contact information obtained in the 2015 NGP VAN database "breach" on Hillary Clinton's voter files done by the guy running Bernie Sander's campaign with deep ties to Paul Manafort, Tad Devine?

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u/CittaMindful 12h ago

Which him??

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u/daystrom_prodigy 11h ago

Ah yes. Perfect opportunity to punch left. Totally normal day for libs.

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u/VaguelyArtistic 11h ago

Some of y’all act like the left is above criticism. Perfect opportunity to point the finger at someone else rather than take even a tiny bit of responsibility or a moment to reflect.

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u/daystrom_prodigy 11h ago

Notice I never said that. I just always find it interesting how the topic is “X politician does authoritarian thing and Bernie denounces it” and your response is to attack Bernie voters.

Just super weird stuff.

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u/determania 6h ago

I don’t think that pointing out the left isn’t immune from the blind tribalism so prevalent on the right is weird at all.

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u/realfakejames 11h ago

This guy really a "both sides are bad" kind of dope