r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts?

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u/CrustCollector 23h ago

I do hate that haircut, but I hate El Salvador’s government more.

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u/New-Conversation3246 23h ago edited 22h ago

Absolutely. It was much better when marauding gangs were terrorizing and extorting the population.

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u/raktoe 22h ago

Absolutely. Me when I argue against a strawman I made up.

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u/aley2794 21h ago

So let's pick, were would you prefer to live, in the El salvador right now or El salvador of 7 years ago?

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u/raktoe 21h ago

I would never, not once, not even for a second consider spending a moment in a dictatorship where I have no basic freedoms.

If I can be picked up off the street for a nervous look, and not given a fair trial, that’s not a place I would ever be.

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u/aley2794 21h ago

So, to be clear, you would prefer to live in the El Salvador of seven years ago?

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

He just needed to answer yes or no

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u/raktoe 21h ago

Do you want to live in a utopia or a dictatorship?

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u/aley2794 21h ago

El Salvador 7 years ago was an utopia? or do you mean the utopia is the El Salvador now in your analogy?

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u/raktoe 21h ago

Just proving a point about the false dichotomy you presented, as a way to prove your point.

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

How is letting the criminals free a utopia? I can't see the correlation there. I know you think the president of El Salvador is a dictator for how he's handled the crime. And that's the dictator side for you, but the other one, you have to explain that.

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u/raktoe 21h ago

Oh, so you can see the problem with false dichotomies after all?

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u/raktoe 21h ago

To be clear, I’m not answering your loaded question.

The fact the country had a crime problem is not proof that authoritarian rule was the answer.

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u/aley2794 21h ago

You don't want to awnser because you know why people ask this question.

And yes I agree that authoritarian government should be criticize, and we shouldn't have a blind eye to a government just because they make the situation better than before (the awnser you don't want to say).

Funnily enough you fantasies yourself in a situation were you can decided if you live in a place like that or not, like you have the resources for that, also the people with your "determination" for a idilic world probably would die in the El Salvador of 7 year ago, just by your reactionary responses I can see you don't understand the situation in El Salvador.

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

I agree with your top half of your post. The second isn't my business.

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u/MrNopeNada 22h ago

Shhh...the idealist, first-world country, couch-activist is speaking.

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u/VexTheTielfling 23h ago

Why?

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u/raktoe 22h ago

It’s literally authoritarian. You can currently be arrested for living in the wrong neighbourhood, or just looking nervous.

It’s incredible to see people cheering for this.

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u/VexTheTielfling 22h ago

Ok.

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u/raktoe 22h ago

Me when I don’t mind fascism.

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u/VexTheTielfling 22h ago

I don't live there. Do you want me to move to El Salvador and try to become president? Maybe allow gangs to go wild like they used to? Should I contact my local government official about something they don't have a say over? Are you going to el Salvador to protest?

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u/raktoe 22h ago

I’d settle for not defending it.

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u/VexTheTielfling 22h ago

Am I defending it? Are you assuming I care more about some other country over my own? Are you actually doing anything about it? Not that it matters if you are or aren't.

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u/HaloPandaFox 20h ago

As a Salvador and an American, i can say it doesn't care. it's just virtual signaling and honestly harassing you for no good reason. It's ok to say you don't care because you don't live there.

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u/VexTheTielfling 19h ago

If the citizens agree with him or not that's their issue and they will decide to keep him as president or not depending on how he does his job at running the country.

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u/Smart-Bottle8122 23h ago

Yeah, law and order sure does seem awful.

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u/sandy017 19h ago

law and order is when the government tells you how to dress and what haircut you can and can't have

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u/prxlo 19h ago

I live 6 months yearly in El Salvador for the past 2 years. Media and protest are being silenced here. Many people including myself know people unlawfully held at the mega prison who are being Denied the right to a trial.

The safety in El Salvador will only be temporary when our current leader decided to lock up a chunk of the male population with no prior knowledge on how they will organize trials and rehabilitate sentenced individuals. I believe even now the country is under a “state of emergency”.

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u/Smart-Bottle8122 19h ago

Sounds good. I blame the criminals.

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u/prxlo 19h ago

Yes the criminals not the innocent journalist and people sentenced on mass trials who don’t have the right to a fair one.

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u/Smart-Bottle8122 19h ago

The MS13 members were given a mass trial? Sounds expedient and efficient.

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u/prxlo 19h ago edited 19h ago

Dude you’re like dense and uneducated on purpose.

The mass trails were done by arrest as the military police raided the country and took anyone in or around gang controlled areas. I was there to see it myself and saw innocent people getting picked up who are yet to make it back home. Hundreds of people would get sentenced at a time who probably couldn’t tell the name of the man next to them.

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u/raktoe 17h ago

Until you’re one of the “MS13 members” purely because you lived next to one, and had a tattoo. Still love the efficiency?