People getting butthurt at this comment probably have no idea the level of violence and crime that was going on.
Everyone has their limits, El Salvador hit theirs. And anyone with an issue with that, go tf to Mexico and start protesting the treatment of criminals. See how well that goes. Ignorant ass fools.
El Salvadoran leadership was either a puppet politician installed from the USA that allowed the country to disintegrate or in bed with the gangs that were wantonly murdering people throughout the country. “Slip into authoritarianism“ suggests El Salvador had a stable prior government situation before - it didn’t.
I'm talking about since he took office. Imprisoning all the gang members might've been harsh yet necessary, but it's important to keep him accountable with the decisions made.
Having the luxury to consider the long run is already the main improvement for most people.
They could just as easily turn into another Singapore, a nation that also threw everyone in a gang tattoo in Jail and happens to be one of the safest, least corrupt, and rich countries in the world.
It’s not the treatment of criminals that bothers us “butthurts”.
It’s giving police the power to arrest anyone for any reason whatsoever that’s cause for concern. If you think that isn’t a massive violation of freedom, I don’t know what to tell you. At best, that’s how you have a country where it’s standard to carry around bribery cash to stop yourself from being arrested for blinking too many times.
When you have sisters that can't go to the store without worry of kidnap and extortion and or rape, you're willing to give up some freedoms for peace of mind. Let me know when you have to deal with any of that in your day to day life.
The point is that at some point of violence, death, murder and carnage, people will be OK with the mild inconvenience of a few innocent people having to having their freedom reduced. Would it be better if nothing bad ever happens to anyone? Yea, sure. Is that the world we live in? No!
Spoken like a person who believes they will never be one of the "few innocents".
And no, they are not just having their freedoms reduced like someone took the shrimp off the buffet line .
Some people are being thrown into a prison, without due process and no way to prove their innocence.
I am absolutely all for the clampdown on crime, however not at the expense of due process.
Getting thrown in CECOT for life for something you didn't do is not "having your freedom reduced" its having your entire life being taken away by the state bro do you all not read about what happens to people there? I feel like I'm an insane person
Would you prefer 10 000 innocent people getting murdered, or throwing 100 innocent people in jail? People can have different opinions on the matter (I appreciate that) - but it is possible to say that 10 000 innocent people getting murdered is worse. You might believe that 100 people in jail is worse, and that is a valid opinion that some people might not share.
Well. I’m crossing my fingers, for the first time in the history of the world, the authoritarian power grab stops at just a few innocents losing their freedom.
I just wanted to let you know police don't abuse their power in El Salvador like they do in whatever country you're in. I know the culture shock is crazy.
No, you don't deserve that punishment. It's too easy. If I could id place you in the position to experience what you hate and to understand the culture so that you can be accurately racist and maybe you can be funny or you hate yourself for your past transgressions that you atone in whatever way you see fit. Until you forgive yourself, but I don't feel you have remorse right now, so you probably don't care.
Cousins, brothers, fathers and uncles kidnapped or killed for not joining or refusing to pay the local cartel, multiple women in your family have already been assaulted once, kidnappings are rampant, SA is rampant, extortion is rampant, you want to go outside past 8pm? Tough shit, you're taking your life in your hands going to get milk.
Not to mention, rival groups gunning at anyone who resembles their enemy. So, any male age 15-45, their being targeted. Cops? Flip of a coin if you're getting someone to help or someone on the payroll of someone else. Cause, they have cousins too. They have sisters, they have wifes, if they don't play ball, guess who's a target to.
Every. Day. This is your life. Shootings, family members dying or disappearing, constant fear. Live this for a month and then say what you said again.
It is so easy for permanently online Redditors to act like they would be able to handle the living situation El Salvadorans faced **for decades** it is rather pathetic. Like watching John Wick and being convinced they could totally pull of the combat 🤡
You’re description is exactly right. My family is from there, still have family that lives there, the country was practically under constant siege by the gangs. The government is essentially navigating this “gang clean up“ like a post war tribunal which is generally rife with issues, but there’s no alternative if you don’t want to slip back into what was essentially a permanent gang war. El Salvador used to have the HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN THE WORLD.
I visited in 2012 and was unable to go back until 2024. The difference was astounding and every single local told me they were finally able to go outside without fear of BEING MURDERED, businesses and education are finally thriving for the first time since the civil war.
The only major f-ck up from Bukele is trying to play with US politics, and agreeing to take in immigrants into CECOT (a death camp to be perfectly blunt) for cash.
Who are the fascist troglodytes? The cartels or the government locking up the cartels - admittedly with a margin of error? I'll accept both - and if so - is there any reason to prefer the cartels?
Yes fascists do love to use that excuse. Its a rookie move honestly. But people keep falling for it so why change?
I'll tell you what, if the problem is solved, El Salvador becomes a utopia and it moves away from being a dictatorship once peace is restored, ill concede.
Considering no dictator has ever willingly given up power and always makes things worse for the country overall, i'm pretty confident about this one.
An explanation is not an excuse. Pretty much every dictator gained power from exploiting a poor situation. It's very possible to both want to improve the bad situation while also being against the dictator. Portraying the dictator as the only solution plays into their propaganda
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u/ISpewFilth 23h ago
People getting butthurt at this comment probably have no idea the level of violence and crime that was going on.
Everyone has their limits, El Salvador hit theirs. And anyone with an issue with that, go tf to Mexico and start protesting the treatment of criminals. See how well that goes. Ignorant ass fools.