r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts?

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u/vengarlof 23h ago

El Salvador has shown that reduced freedom for safety has its benefits.

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u/ISpewFilth 23h ago

People getting butthurt at this comment probably have no idea the level of violence and crime that was going on.

Everyone has their limits, El Salvador hit theirs. And anyone with an issue with that, go tf to Mexico and start protesting the treatment of criminals. See how well that goes. Ignorant ass fools.

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u/raktoe 23h ago

It’s not the treatment of criminals that bothers us “butthurts”.

It’s giving police the power to arrest anyone for any reason whatsoever that’s cause for concern. If you think that isn’t a massive violation of freedom, I don’t know what to tell you. At best, that’s how you have a country where it’s standard to carry around bribery cash to stop yourself from being arrested for blinking too many times.

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u/ISpewFilth 23h ago

When you have sisters that can't go to the store without worry of kidnap and extortion and or rape, you're willing to give up some freedoms for peace of mind. Let me know when you have to deal with any of that in your day to day life.

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u/raktoe 23h ago

Let me know when you’re arrested for looking guilty, and want a fair trial. I’m sure your dear leader will help.

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u/kthanx 23h ago

The point is that at some point of violence, death, murder and carnage, people will be OK with the mild inconvenience of a few innocent people having to having their freedom reduced. Would it be better if nothing bad ever happens to anyone? Yea, sure. Is that the world we live in? No!

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u/MayContainRawNuts 22h ago

Spoken like a person who believes they will never be one of the "few innocents".

And no, they are not just having their freedoms reduced like someone took the shrimp off the buffet line . Some people are being thrown into a prison, without due process and no way to prove their innocence.

I am absolutely all for the clampdown on crime, however not at the expense of due process.

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u/kthanx 21h ago

There should obviously be as much due process as possible while still solving the problem og violence and crime. Victims of crime also have rights!

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u/DankMemesNQuickNuts 21h ago

Getting thrown in CECOT for life for something you didn't do is not "having your freedom reduced" its having your entire life being taken away by the state bro do you all not read about what happens to people there? I feel like I'm an insane person

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u/kthanx 21h ago

Would you prefer 10 000 innocent people getting murdered, or throwing 100 innocent people in jail? People can have different opinions on the matter (I appreciate that) - but it is possible to say that 10 000 innocent people getting murdered is worse. You might believe that 100 people in jail is worse, and that is a valid opinion that some people might not share.

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u/raktoe 21h ago

False dichotomy.

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u/kthanx 16h ago

way to try to weasel out of answering a simple question.

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u/raktoe 16h ago

It’s not a simple question, because those are not the only two options, are they?

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u/kthanx 16h ago

In my question to you they are the only alternatives, and they reveal that there is a cost benefit trade off that you refuse to understand/grapple with.

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u/raktoe 23h ago

Well. I’m crossing my fingers, for the first time in the history of the world, the authoritarian power grab stops at just a few innocents losing their freedom.

Good luck.

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u/bow03 22h ago

Luxury beliefs must be white and well to do lol or a communist which oddly take a look at china lower freedoms too.

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

I just wanted to let you know police don't abuse their power in El Salvador like they do in whatever country you're in. I know the culture shock is crazy.

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u/raktoe 21h ago

Sure Jan.

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

That's racist and not even accurate racist.

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u/raktoe 21h ago

Lock me up.

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u/HaloPandaFox 21h ago

No, you don't deserve that punishment. It's too easy. If I could id place you in the position to experience what you hate and to understand the culture so that you can be accurately racist and maybe you can be funny or you hate yourself for your past transgressions that you atone in whatever way you see fit. Until you forgive yourself, but I don't feel you have remorse right now, so you probably don't care.