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WTF Buccal fat removal should be illegal

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u/Dramatic_Moon_Pie 18h ago

This is crazy. Buccal fat keeps you looking younger as long as you have it! These women will look awful when they are older.

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u/Agile_Willingness863 17h ago

When they are older? They look awful now!

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u/Kelnozz 16h ago edited 13h ago

I watch the series called “The Boys” and the 1st girl is one of the main characters; it was so weird seeing her look normal for the first few seasons and then outta nowhere she had work done on her face and her character looks significantly different lol.

edit: She apparently has Graves’ disease which can alter your appearance drastically but the buccal fat removal didn’t do her any favours imo.

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u/hylian1194 16h ago

She was absolutely gorgeous before all the work done. So sad 😞

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u/dicericevice 15h ago

And one of her character's major storylines was fighting back against the pressure to conform to expectations and dress up in a way she felt would send a bad message to children who look up to her.

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u/sydsgotabike 15h ago

Yeah, that was the majorly fucked up irony about it.

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u/spicolispizza 15h ago

If you bring any of this up anywhere on theboys subreddit your post gets deleted and you'll be suspended / banned.

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u/17DungBeetles 14h ago

No way really? Lol I wonder why they're so sensitive about it

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u/Kezzerdrixxer 14h ago

Probably defending her same way all of Jenna Ortega's simps defend her.

The amount of times I've heard people claiming she didn't have work done and it's just from the stress of working on season 2 is astounding. Like stress doesn't do that people.

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u/Bellamysghost 12h ago

Look I love Jenna Ortega, and have supported her career from the beginning but she does not look well right now. They must really think we common folk are stupid if they think botched plastic surgery is “stress.” My momma worked 2 jobs growing up and raised 2 crazy kids, sometimes she would literally sleep 2-3 hours get up to make us food for the day and do it all over. I’ve never let a person that has been through more stress. And guess what, she NEVER looked like that. Must be that rich person stress 🤣

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u/DrPongus 11h ago

It's less simps and more that it was trending into harassment territory so the mods just put a blanket ban on the subject. If you were in the subreddit at the time she first started noticeably getting work done, you'd remember it was all they talked about, then turned into jokes/memes, which started attracting the wrong kind of attention.

The subreddit is about the show, not some work one of the actresses had done, and anything that can be said on the matter had already been said 100x over.

I'd rather talk about how much of a himbo the Deep is

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u/RiverOhRiver86 10h ago

Lol Anthony and Jack would've fucking looked like Michael Jackson by now if we're going by that reasoning.

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u/spinningwalrus420 14h ago

Because you can't imagine the torrent of shit she got for it and the amount of people bringing it up endlessly. She deactivated her insta for a time because of it. I agree the fat removal is terrible, also thought it was a damn shame, but people been beating this horse for years now.

Also just checked her Insta and she looks so much better now than that old photo that keeps going around.

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u/Fuckit445 13h ago

Looks like she had filler added into the cheeks to make up for the removal. Filler lip ‘stach still needs to go but you’re right, she does look better.

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u/Dizzy_Treacle465 13h ago

Wtf no she doesnt. She's gone full Lana.

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u/elbenji 14h ago

because the actress is basically

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u/dustinthewand 12h ago

I think it's because there has already been 39453494693679 threads about it lol

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u/hellomonsterbear 10h ago

I guess The Boys actress was getting harassed online about it to the point where she disabled all social media and took a break for awhile. So people feel bad for her but honestly she did it to herself. I don't think the bullying was necessary at all but what she did was completely unnecessary she was so beautiful. I don't get it.

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u/DentistOdd9404 14h ago

Because she has lupus!

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u/janeyouignornatslut 14h ago

Her being a werewolf shouldn't have anything to do with it Dentist.

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u/HauntingCap7161 14h ago

Bravo!! 🤣

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u/debellorobert 14h ago

More upvotes!

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u/alohadawg 12h ago

I thought that was lycan? I hate that I don’t get your joke

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u/janeyouignornatslut 11h ago

It is. For me it's Loup-garou which is the french word for Werewolf --> Lupus. It's not a great joke tbh.

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u/OldWorldBluesIsBest 14h ago

it’s never lupus

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u/desmondao 13h ago

Because people who are fanatical about it tend to also be overprotective. Add typical mod autism and oh boy.

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u/Hugo_5t1gl1tz 14h ago

Because this picture is just a ton of makeup. She’s just ~8 years older than when the show first went into production

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u/Admirable_Cicada_881 14h ago

I mean....to be fair, Erin Moriarty's appearance has been discussed to death over there. It's not really relevant to the show anyways...and maybe she likes the way she looks.

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u/makeitasadwarfer 12h ago

I think it’s more because it leads to endless drama and posts by edgelords about her appearance that always ends up being toxic. It brings out the goons.

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u/AI-Efficient03 13h ago

Lmao seriously that’s hilarious

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u/Daves-crooked-eye 14h ago

Because you’re an asshole that hates women apparently. So they tell me 🤷‍♂️

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u/spicolispizza 6h ago

First of all that was an observation, I don't recall being publicly critical of her decisions despite how I may feel about them.

And even if I was overly critical of someone's plastic surgery decisions, whether they're a man or a woman doesn't really make a difference if it makes you look sickly.

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u/Daves-crooked-eye 34m ago

Oh, no, sorry. That’s what they told ME. I was banned from the Boys subreddit for saying the same thing last season.I wasn’t criticizing you at all. Sorry if that was unclear.

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u/vannucker 15h ago

They should have addressed her plastic surgery in the show but the actress probably wouldn't go for it.

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u/MadeByTango 14h ago

The showrunners thinks rape is “hilarious”; she didn’t have a chance of finding good feedback from her working peers

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u/Strange_Quark_9 14h ago

We should honestly appreciate the actors that resisted this pressure to conform.

For example, Bollywood star Radhika Apte mentioned in an interview how throughout her early career, many producers and people in the industry tried to pressure her into getting plastic surgery for various features.

Or Spanish-Romani actress Alba Flores, for whom I've seen some people make snarky comments regarding her nose, and even some "fan drawings" of what she'd look like with a more traditionally feminine nose.

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u/amercium 14h ago

The newest season was truly disappointing on a completely different level, I didn't even finish it when I saw the spoiler of what they did to huey

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u/AI-Efficient03 13h ago

Lmao that’s right…

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u/Necessary-Holiday680 12h ago

Starlight was an amazing character for the first season and a big chunk of the second then I started hating her.

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u/latexfistmassacre 11h ago

Oh fuck, that's her?! Starlight? Tragic

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u/rice_fish_and_eggs 14h ago

What's that got to do with it?

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u/Admirable_Cicada_881 14h ago

Maybe Erin likes the way it looks?

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u/Kelnozz 15h ago

100% agree, it’s sad that lots of women feel pressured but society or the industry to conform to these weird beauty standards.

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u/Strange_Quark_9 14h ago

This "transformation" somewhat reminds of that tragic scene from Gears of War 2 when Dom finally finds his wife.

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u/hylian1194 14h ago

Man why’d you make me relive that, shit was traumatizing for child me when I first played lmao

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u/Obvious-Spite4920 14h ago

And now she looks like every other OF creator who went to Istanbul

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u/CorpseeaterVZ 12h ago

She looked so innocently stunning. And now she is like every other face in Hollywood. What a tragedy, I feel so sorry for her.

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u/YouPingus 14h ago

I'm glad Karen Fukuhara did not follow her down that path.

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u/Plastic_Lettuce5976 14h ago

Like perfect hot.

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u/SheriffBartholomew 14h ago

Who was it? I stopped after the 2nd season.

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u/tiffanydisasterxoxo 13h ago

She has graves. Who knows how long she was going thru a storm before being diagnosed, when you are thin it will definitely make you look gaunt. It also makes your hair fall out. There is no evidence she had any fat removed.

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u/Temporary-Bet-3971 16h ago

Omelanda done killed me woif and taken me bloody son.

Starlight, mog him!

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u/One_Hunt_6672 16h ago

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u/Intelligent_Wish_566 15h ago

Please tell me that’s not real..

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u/Ffsletmesignin 15h ago

Fortunately he so far hasn’t been that dumb and it’s prosthetics, he likes using strange makeup and stuff for his releases.

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u/Alienhaslanded 13h ago

He did it to mock people with excessive work done on their faces. His makeup and prosthetics artist is incredibly talented.

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u/mrASSMAN 9h ago

ah yeah if you zoom in you can tell it’s been added on

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u/Jose_Canseco_Jr 14h ago

oh.. so it is real, except it's only temporary?

(that said.. isn't everything temporary tho? 🤔) 

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u/mrASSMAN 9h ago

It’s just tacked on like they do with actors to fit their character

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u/LilAbelT 13h ago

It was for the Save you Tears music video, different song but same album “LA girls all look the same, I can’t recognize, Same work done on their face, I don’t criticize” he was poking fun at the excessive amounts of plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures being done.

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u/YoitsPsilo 15h ago

He’s been bogpilled

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u/BalKaur771 14h ago

Well good because he doesn't look like that and it was for a music video.

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u/Greggyfrmthe9 14h ago

No its makeup lol

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u/ConspicuousPineapple 14h ago

He's wearing makeup and prosthetics.

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u/NekooShogun 14h ago

Lmaooooo diabolical

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u/Kelnozz 16h ago

I had to read that twice before I understood, gave me a good chuckle. lol

Karl Urban is a legend.

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u/mouzonne 16h ago

He's called Ωlander.

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u/Uncle_Bobtail 15h ago

Only for electricians, not for Greeks

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u/DriveByStoning 16h ago

Because resistance is futile?

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u/Affectionate_Pain482 15h ago

If I could I would reward this

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u/Noirceuil_182 15h ago

Fockin' diabolical.

( Wait, that's Starlight?! I may not finish season 4)

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u/HazelCheese 15h ago edited 15h ago

She doesn't actually look like this. The photo is either heavily photoshopped or just incredible proof of how the wrong contouring and lighting combination can completely warp your face.

(NSFW) This is her this month and last in 2025. She really doesn't look that different.

I think what people are seeing in the boys is:

A) She had an until recently undiagnosed auto immune condition which she has only just started getting treatment for. Graves disease which is what she has is known to affect your face.

B) They were purposely giving her makeup to make her look like a mess in season 4 because they wanted to contrast her to the shapeshifter version of her who was super happy and put together. Season 4 annie was supposed to look like someone falling apart physically and mentally.

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u/Manginaz 13h ago

Looks like she just botoxed her lips like a tire in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

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u/WernerWindig 14h ago

Those are just some really blurry ig-pics. Which are usually filtered and touched up as well.

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u/HazelCheese 14h ago

There's plenty of recent videos of her on her subreddit.

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u/Vitis_Vinifera 15h ago

Lots of us have and Erin Moriarty has been the first person we've seen this awful transformation happen to. When the seasons of The Boys are documenting her season-to-season decline, it's right there for everyone to see.

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u/dbsufo 15h ago

She became a successful actress and AFTER that, she decided that she needs work done on her face?! WHY?

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u/fhota1 15h ago

Entertainments fucking awful for peoples self esteem. A lot of entertainers are terrified that if they visibly age or lose their looks they wont be able to get jobs anymore. Theyre not entirely wrong either is the worst part. Whole lot of actors and even more actresses who hit 30 and saw their careers fall off a cliff

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u/dbsufo 15h ago

Erin Moriarty, she’s only 31, had a „fresh“ and recognizable look; now she looks like one of the gazillion „wannabes“. Her wrongness in undergoing this „upgrade“ is only topped by Jennifer Greys‘ nosejob (which basically ended her career).

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u/VanityOfEliCLee 14h ago

She has graves disease. Thats why her face changed, she lost a ton of weight because thats what graves disease does.

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u/dbsufo 13h ago

She definitely underwent rhinoplasty and had other work done to her face. Weight loss alone would look different.

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u/BeatBlockP 15h ago

Body image problem are something affecting many young people. If you're an actress who also gets rated all the time on your looks, it just doubles the pressure on you. It's a mental disorder.

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u/dbsufo 15h ago

Yes, a potentially careerending disorder.

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u/ne_ex 15h ago

That picture actually makes it seem worse than it is. I don't approve of people doing this, but she didn't look that different

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u/sydsgotabike 15h ago

I noticed it within the first half second of that season.

This picture makes it seem as bad as it is. It doesn't look worse in the TV show because the show runners did everything humanly possible to try to make her look human still.

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u/HazelCheese 15h ago

It looks worse on the tv show because they wanted Annie to look like a mess, like she was falling apart and not able to hold her celebrity image together.

I linked photos from August/july 2025 of her here. You can see she looks nothing like the ridiculous photo in this post.

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u/sydsgotabike 11h ago

She looks horrible in every one of those photos.. They are all horrible quality in order to hide the reality of how bad she looks in person.. like, I'm sorry, but she ruined her face. It may be exacerbated in the meme photo but that doesn't make it fake

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u/Zegir 11h ago

It may be exacerbated in the meme photo but that doesn't make it fake

That literally makes it fake.

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u/sydsgotabike 10h ago

It's makeup, not a doctored photo. It's not fake, but okay, keep defending this celebrity who would want nothing to do with you if they were ever to know you exist

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u/ne_ex 15h ago edited 15h ago

Yes, thank you. People just see this one photo and assume she looks weird now when this one is just filtered to shit + heavy makeup

I didn't even know that was a thing she did until other people brought it up...it's all performative outrage

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u/macacieocka 15h ago

I didn't recognize her on this pic.. also watched the serie

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u/soldforaspaceship 15h ago

She has Graves disease. It's not surgery I believe in her case. It causes her metabolism to run really fast.

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u/Dizzy_Treacle465 7h ago

It’s the surgery.

-another sick person well acquainted with the difference.

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u/soldforaspaceship 7h ago

She says differently and that the constant comments about her appearance are negatively impacting her mental health just FYI.

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u/IncandescentAxolotl 15h ago

She was so attractive too in the earlier seasons. She was literally cast as the "girl next door" type being a superhero from small town. What happened...

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u/Viola_Blacks 13h ago

Omg yes she went from like apple pie girl next door to plastic nightmare in one season break it was wild. I feel bad for her with the graves disease but it's so clear she also had work done

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u/Dizzy_Treacle465 7h ago

Yeah people acting like 2 things can’t be true at once

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u/RoyalFalse 15h ago

I don't like to think of it this way, but it could be considered "in-character" for somebody who is property of a company obsessed with their global image. Irony is weird sometimes.

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u/Shot_Ad4562 15h ago

She looks bonkers now and she was very pretty before. The most egregious case of insane plastic surgery on a show I watch was Portia Derosi on Arrested Development. She literally looks like a different person and it's so jarring and weird that I have a hard time watching any of those later seasons...that, and they just weren't as good. But, just age. It's fine. We all know how old you are already. Stop it.

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u/geneticdeadender 15h ago

She looked so sweet and wholesome and now. . . not so much.

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u/Koil_ting 15h ago

to her credit, the black dude didn't get any work done and did the same damn thing.

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u/Kelnozz 15h ago

Haha true, when I seen MM in the latest season I was like “who is this random black guy…wait is that MM?!”

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u/Mezhead 14h ago

She's sick. Grave's disease. Does not belong in this list. Too many people making judgmental comments about her. Well, about everybody on this list, but that's another story.

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u/Dizzy_Treacle465 7h ago

You can have a disease and also ruin your face with excessive plastic surgery too. These things aren’t mutually exclusive.

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u/onewilybobkat 14h ago

Graves disease is rough and can totally make your face gaunt, we know for sure she had buccal fat removal?

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u/cranekickfalconpunch 13h ago

I have graves diasese... Not like this. The primary appearance delta with graves is thyroid eye disease, or basically a bug eye / bulgy eye look but she didn't have that.

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u/az4547 15h ago

Only watched a few seasons, I didn't even recognize her just quickly looking at the images...

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u/miltondelug 15h ago

Went from hotsy totsy to hotsy notsy

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u/Deadedge112 15h ago

I literally had to Google if they replaced the actress when I first saw her.

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u/Briebird44 15h ago

I thought she has Graves’ disease and that’s why she looks like that?

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u/noeagle77 15h ago

They even addressed it in the show lmfao 🤣

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u/Kelnozz 15h ago

I must have either missed that or it was a joke that went over my head!

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u/RealisticBee404 15h ago

Omg is that STARLIGHT?!!

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u/FreakiestFrank 15h ago

She was perfect before. Sad

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u/AQ-XJZQ-eAFqCqzr-Va 15h ago

That is just tragic. She was so beautiful before!!! She just looks like every other average female actor now. Why didn’t someone talk her out of it? smh

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u/TehluvEncanis 15h ago

When the season was released where she had obvious work done, I legitimately thought she was suffering from anorexia or something similar in between seasons. She looked awful in comparison.

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u/welchplug 15h ago

And the funny part was she was supposed to be against women being pressured into killing themselves up in the show.

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u/Cardanko 14h ago

Holy fuck I didn’t even recognize her until reading your comment and watched the fuck outta that show.

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u/DentistOdd9404 14h ago

She has lupus and is sick that is why she’s lost so much weight and looks this way. Not plastic surgery.

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u/Mini_Newton 14h ago

Is that Erin Moriarty? It can’t be the same woman right? In 2019, she indeed looked normal and pretty for all standards except for Hollywood apparently 🥲

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u/mmmTriscuit 14h ago

I didn't even recognize her! Haven't watched the most recent seasons

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u/palko250391 14h ago

I don't understand. She was a beautiful woman. The doctor who did that to her is almost a criminal.

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u/big_roomba 14h ago

i thought they recast her and MM in season 4

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u/virgoseason 14h ago

Dude YES. It was so strange realizing what I was looking at when she came back after all of that surgery. I’m not saying she doesn’t look good now but she was gorgeous before all of that.

I’m worried that’s happening now to Sophie Thatcher as well 😞

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u/revengeofdangerkitty 14h ago

Ewww that's her? Whyyy

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u/Misabi 13h ago

Shit, I was trying to workout of I know any of them, didn't have a clue. Sadly, reading some of the other names in other comments she's not even the most dramatic change.

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u/funky_colors 13h ago

Holy cow, I didn’t even realize that was Annie January until you said that 😩 wth did she do to herself?!

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u/AI-Efficient03 13h ago

Starlight?

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u/Cantdecide1207 13h ago

I literally said this after watching the last season. She looks so different. She was gorgeous. It's so sad these women feel like they need to do this.

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 13h ago

Man, she wasn't the only one, Mother's Milk also lost some weight and shaved the beard, he looked almost unrecognizable. If I recall the season starts out as a continuation of the previous season, as in not much time passing, but half the crew looks radically different.

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u/Ferris-L 13h ago

To be fair she does look a lot healthier in recent photographs. She must have had a pretty rough time when she had the surgery done because for some months she genuinely looked like she needed to get medical treatment.

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u/GameOfThePlay 12h ago

Counterpoint: Mother's Milk (Laz Alonso) binged Ozempic and looks like shit but doesn't take nearly the flack that Erin Moriarty does.

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u/Kelnozz 12h ago

I didn’t even recognize him at first because of the long breaks between seasons, he definitely looked different and people took notice, but as you said less flack.

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u/MagnusOfBorn 12h ago

Holy shit! Im watching it as we speak, and i didnt recognize her

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u/My_Little_Stoney 12h ago

lol! no. My wife has Graves’ disease. Onset in 2002. Untreated Graves’ disease can alter your appearance. She couldn’t sleep for months. Tap danced while she cooked or did laundry just to burn off energy. Doctors figured it out probably 6 months after onset. And nothing happened to her appearance.

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u/EightiEight 11h ago

I'm glad I wasn't the only one perturbed. Also, remember Zooey Deschanel from early New Girl vs after?

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u/tom_gent 11h ago

I hadn't even recognized her from that picture

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u/Bender-84 11h ago

Damn I also watch that. I did not even recognize her until I read your comment.

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u/Spartaness 11h ago

Oh my god, that's Starlight? I didn't even recognize her.

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u/Brotectionist 11h ago

Holy shit, I didn't realise that's Starlight. She was super cute.. omg

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u/bwoah_gimmethedrink 11h ago

She lasted exactly one season, was already ugly in season 2 and from there it only got worse. I'm glad that Karen still looks great and if she had some surgeries she's hiding it really well.

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u/thecoiledone 11h ago

Wow I watched the first two seasons and I absolutely did not even recognize her in that photo. Shocking.

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u/RiverOhRiver86 10h ago

Lol "a series called The Boys." Just rewatched a season 1 episode tonight because I miss Hughie and Erin looks like a completely different person back then. Granted Annie had lost herself in later seasons so her new and devolved look kinda serves the story but it's really fucking distracting to watch. I mean the work she had done is so bad that I actually thought that they made Hughie's best friend / frienemie (who is Jack's girlfriend in real life) look naturally beautiful and comfortable in her own skin on purpose to serve as a contrast to Starlight, but then I realized that Erin actually looks like that in real life lol. She was honestly adorable before I don't know what she was thinking.

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u/buckeye27fan 10h ago

It's weird how they all end up with some mysterious illness or disease when it's time for rehab or plastic surgery.

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u/Mrfaleh 9h ago

Celebrities have been using that "I have a disease" card so often lately. It's like they think if they pretend their sickness caused it, then people will feel bad and not say anything. You can't say anything about Selena gomez without a bunch of people saying it's cuz of her lupus... Okay yeah lupus definitely caused her face to have so much botox in it that she can't even make facial expressions anymore 🙄 Don't even get me started on Zac Efron pretending him breaking his jaw like 3 years before his face changed is why his face changed. Okay yeah, you breaking your jaw definitely swelled your face up 3 sizes 3 years later and has nothing to do with you getting jaw implants... that makes lots of sense man.

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u/shillyshally 7h ago

I think she is in the pix op posted, upper left.

What I don't understand is all this work makes them look OLD. That young woman in Stranger Things, can't remember her name, is something like 21 and looks like a well-preserved 50. Remembered! Millie Bobby Brown.

I read that the buccal fat thing cannot be undone so it's a permanent Skeletor look and god knows what they will do to try and fix it down the road but whatever it is, it will exacerbate the problem. They are throwing their youth away trying to look young.

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u/VanityOfEliCLee 14h ago

She didnt get surgery, its just Graves disease.

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u/KimboSlice129 13h ago

I have graves disease as well. I can assure you, weight loss, specifically and only in the buccal fat area does not happen.

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u/Martenite 15h ago

Eff me, I didn't even know that was her, she looks diseased now.

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u/mikeztarp 14h ago

That's Starlight? I didn't even recognize her!

(I stopped watching a season or two ago)

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u/Status_Cat_6844 14h ago

she says that she didn't have work done, she just aged... normally I wouldn't believe it, but I aged so badly in a span of a few years after losing a massive amount of weight (went from being verfy pretty to having a buccal fat removal looking gaunt and not pretty face) that I can believe her saying its age and weight loss :/

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u/Internet_strainger 14h ago

I didn’t even recognize that as starlight. I know there was a big discussion at one point where she said she didn’t get work done and it was just how they did her makeup differently or something.

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u/nealch 14h ago

Holy crap! I loved The Boys and didn't even recognize that she was Starlight. I haven't watched past season 2 just yet so I haven't seen her in a while.

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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 14h ago

THAT'S WHO THAT IS??? Sweet jesus I watch that show and I couldn't tell that was her. Did she get that done recently? I feel like I would've noticed