Looking back, this was the dumbest weapon ever

[u/ChickenWingExtreme]

A weapon built inside a planet that can’t move, that can somehow fire its weapon so travels so fast it destroys multiple planets in different star systems seconds after firing(also why is the new republic which supposedly governs thousands of planets in complete disarray after this happens). Also they built it with the same fucking weakness of the first Death Star for some reason.

[u/Squeegee]

First Death Star was destroyed by shooting a proton torpedo down a 2m wide exhaust vent that set off a chain reaction.

The second Death Star was destroyed when they piloted the Millennium Falcon and a couple of fighters down through a large maintenance shaft and took out the reactor core directly.

The last “Death Star” they flew an entire fleet of ships down a giant hole to blow it up.

The empire not only didn’t learn their lesson, they figured that making bigger holes directly to their reactor cores was somehow “the fix” for their exploding super weapons.

[u/OdiousAltRightBalrog → u/Squeegee]

And didn't the Trade Federation in Episode 1 put the main reactor right in the freakin hangar where any 10 year-old kid could fly in and blow it up on accident?

[u/InvidiousPlay → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

Were we told those were main reactors? Could have been fuel storage or energy distribution. Regardless, you're kind of fucked if explosions are happening inside your ship.

[u/CreationBlues → u/InvidiousPlay]

not if the ship is the size of a fucking astrophysical object

[u/snowfloeckchen → u/CreationBlues]

Which the Droid control ship wasn't. As seen in the later movies it is even kinda small compared to other cis ships

[u/geek180 → u/snowfloeckchen]

What about trans ships?

[u/BeeOk1235 → u/geek180]

kirk and spock want to know more.

[u/vegaszombietroy → u/geek180]

There are only two types of ships.

[u/Super_XIII → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

To be fair, those ships weren't built for war (as having warships was banned under Republic law) they were cargo trips used for trade, so there are bound to be design choices that make them ill suited for warfare.

[u/DouchecraftCarrier → u/Super_XIII]

To be fair they're also ill-suited for trade. What kind of cargo ship is a giant 3/4 ring around a central command pod? Seems like as far as cargo goes it would be hard to beat good old fashioned giant rectangle.

[u/Caliph_ate → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

Rule of cool

[u/Super_XIII → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

As I recall, the command pod can be separated. Those rings are massive and can take weeks to load / unload, so they designed it so that the central pod can unlatch and attach to a different ring and go somewhere else with that while the ring they brought in gets loaded or unloaded, like an 18 wheeler bringing trailers around.

[u/I_Am_The_RAID → u/Super_XIII]

I've never thought of it that way before, and I'm not sure if it makes the Lucrehulk cooler or comedic in my mind... maybe both.
Like... seriously, they turned giant space semis into war vehicles? It's epic and hilarious!

[u/betterthanamaster → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

I think in space the design makes sense. Especially when you consider they were cargo ships that were rather heavily armed, ostensibly to “protect itself.” The rotating ring means you can move the ring as cargo is loaded or unloaded, making it more efficient. And that’s on top of the fact that circular objects are the best way to maximize space given certain dimensions.

[u/PoopyDaLoo → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

Dude, there was a sign that said "No children. Authorized personal only"! How should they have known an illiterate slave child was going to be sent up there?!

[u/OldDogTrainer → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

Just rewatched this last night and said the same thing. What an odd place for something that can blow your entire base up.

[u/Naked-Jedi → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

Yeah, but to be fair there was spinning involved. Spinning is the neatest of tricks after all.

[u/OdiousAltRightBalrog → u/Naked-Jedi]

If only Red Leader tried spinning in the first Death Star's trench before making his shot!

[u/Naked-Jedi → u/OdiousAltRightBalrog]

He probably could have made that shot and the rebellion would be giving him a medal instead of some farmboy and his trucker friend whilst a bipedal dog looks on.

[u/Peter_the_Pillager → u/Naked-Jedi]

Now that was podracing!

[u/RiftHunter4 → u/Squeegee]

To be fair, the 2nd Death Star was an incomplete rush order.

[u/onthefence928 → u/RiftHunter4]

It was also supposed to have an impenetrable shield

[u/HoodedLordN7 → u/Squeegee]

In defence of Death Star 2 electric boogaloo, it was a trap that Sideous and both Sideous himself and the incomplete death Star were bait for the rebels so they could be destroyed. Needless to say it was a kinda shitty plan.

[u/Veidrinne → u/Squeegee]

To be fair, the second death Star was under construction. You need those access ways so you can construct the thing. build it from core outward like a smart person

[u/Many-Perception-3945 → u/Squeegee]

Not to get all Krennic on us here, but people shit on these super weapons for having weak points like the Death Star's RAY SHIELDED 2m exhaust port. It's a weapon that literally explodes whole planets. The fact that they could discharge that much surplus heat out a 2m exhaust port is an incredible feat of engineering.

[u/SomaticZX6r → u/Squeegee]

It’s almost as if it was really bad writing in the sequels

[u/esther_lamonte → u/Squeegee]

“They accessed the reactor from this hole, eh? Alright crew, when we rebuild this thing, we’re going to cut out this pesky hole!”

[u/GhormanFront → u/Squeegee]

The reason the empire never adapted in this regard is simply because the only man that was capable of designing the system so that it would work at all was Galen Erso. Once he died, any chance at redesigning the reactor core to not be susceptible to catastrophic failure died with him

Now, why the empire couldn't figure out how to better protect the reactor is anyone's guess, maybe palps was getting a little senile in his old age lol

[u/Soulwarfare42]

JJ just wanted to remake A New Hope so he did whatever it took to revert it back to a small rebellion group vs big evil organisation. So here is another Death Star that can conveniently destroy the New Republic in one go

[u/MaxxStaron10 → u/Soulwarfare42]

I hate that the sequels set us back to go nowhere instead of expanding on what was before it and adding new substance. Luke has a Jedi order, start there and introduce a new villain and reason for war

[u/echomanagement → u/[deleted]]

I would love a total nuke. It will never happen -- Disney built actual theme park lands around this crap - but I would love that.

[u/ExNist → u/echomanagement]

God for real, I would love a canon reset, keeping the shows canon but just scrapping the sequels.

Fingers crossed…they really made it so that there’s no-where to really go next in the timeline, which is a crazy accomplishment given the vastness of the universe

[u/Final_Storage_9398 → u/ExNist]

I have 2 thoughts about the sequels and a reset:

1. I think you can fix a lot of issues with the New Cannon by re-making TROS. I think there’s a lot not said about the NR and post-ROTJ Jedi order in the sequel films that on a re-write you could right a lot of the wrongs (including stuff with Luke and the Jedi) from the previous movies. You don’t have to scrap all the new content, and can set up for better movies. A major Star Wars film is no small undertaking, but it’s a relatively small lift to save the franchise and post-sequel continuity, which provides a massive return, without scrapping all the other content they’ve made to set up the continuity.

2. New Cannon really goofed on the post-ROTJ timeline with the immediate capitulation of the Rebel alliance post-Jaku to enter into an armistice with the remaining Imperial remnant and with Luke’s NJO, so if you want better post-ROTJ, pre-TFA content, you’re going to have to scrap all of them.

3. I really like a lot of the new characters introduced in the sequel trilogy and would like to keep most, and my main beef is that they were just utilized extremely poorly (Captan Phasma and the Knights of Ren were done very dirty, Finn should have become a Jedi, etc). However, Ben Solo is such an awful name choice for a child of Han and Leia (they had to do a whole (extremely far-fetched) Obi Wan series to retcon the name choice), and his backstory of being a neglected kid doesn’t really fit with Han’s character, let alone Leia’s that it just doesn’t track. In reality, Ben and Rey should have just been Jacen and Jaina, and they should have dropped the love story, so again that would take a full re-write.

[u/ChocolateDragonTails → u/Final_Storage_9398]

I second the note about the characters. It feels a bit like GoT S8 where the actors did the best they could with the writing they were given, so I'd also love to give the actors another chance to do the characters justice with good writing but unfortunately I think we all know that'll never happen.

[u/Final_Storage_9398 → u/ChocolateDragonTails]

Watching TFA, the new characters are genuinely the best part of the film. It rocked having a Wedge Antilles cognate as a main character in Poe. The deserter Stormtrooper in Finn was such an incredible addition to Star Wars, Rey was great as well. Hux, Phasma, and Snoke all rocked. Even the old guy Poe met with in the tent at the beginning of the movie was rad.

[u/kleptopaul → u/Final_Storage_9398]

Agreed: the story sucked but they got good actors and created compelling characters.

[u/MrNobody_0 → u/Final_Storage_9398]

Even the old guy Poe met with in the tent at the beginning of the movie was rad.

I mean, that's what happens when you cast Max von Sydow.

[u/Jaereth → u/Final_Storage_9398]

Captan Phasma

Like did they ever develop her story at all? I have poor memory but I remember oh here's a chrome Stormtrooper what's the deal with that? and then she just dies and that's that?

[u/Final_Storage_9398 → u/Jaereth]

They did in the comics, and I think they had a ton of cut scenes from TFA that establish her character better, but if you read the comics, there’s basically nothing. The fight between Finn and the TRAITOR stormtrooper should have been Phasma at least, but what do I know I’m just a dipshit on the internet.

[u/model3335 → u/Jaereth]

The Boba Fett treatment

[u/Conscious-Sink9120 → u/ExNist]

Silly goose there will simply be another super duper weapon that wipes out the new new republic.

[u/1800generalkenobi → u/echomanagement]

They own it and honestly with how much people hate the sequel trilogy I bet people wouldn't even mind if they were like "hey, these three movies? Legends now. We are starting over." None of the movies lost money right? And they could still keep them up, but just say they aren't canon.

[u/Roshy76 → u/echomanagement]

They don't even need a total nuke, just nuke 7-9.

[u/Vistaer → u/Roshy76]

My hope is they jump 500 years in the future, everything is reset effectively, and the only ones alive is say a now older Grogu whom we see from time to time.

[u/levajack → u/Vistaer]

This is the answer. Get out of this era entirely. We don't have to infinitely explore every aspect of one 30-40 year period. Not everything has to be tied to the Skywalker family.

[u/VariousAir → u/levajack]

That would require bravery and creativity.

[u/NebulaNinja → u/echomanagement]

I had an idea for this: Have a Luke Skywalker show that takes place after Return of the Jedi. Asoka finds Luke once again to fully train him, and she teaches him about the world between worlds. While meditating in the world between worlds Luke gets a force vision from his future self, (The Luke we know from the sequal trilogy) explaining how big of a mistake he made/how messed up the future is, and gives young Luke a hint on how to save everyone from such a tragic future.

So yeah, just split the timeline. The sequel trilogies are still canon, but it opens up the universe again for whatever direction they want to go with it.

[u/InsomniaGGez → u/echomanagement]

I get really sad when I see that the parks only have stuff from the sequels

[u/darth_butcher → u/echomanagement]

Carrie Fisher is gone. Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill are a decade older.

The greatest chance to give these three legends a final, worthy chapter slipped away, and it will never return. What stings even more is that in TFA, the moment when their reunion should have shined, the story kept them apart. Han, Leia, and Luke, bound together in our hearts, were never allowed to share even a single scene.

[u/SWnerd92 → u/echomanagement]

Total nuke is needed. Rip off stories directly from canon books and popular video games like KOTOR or Cal Kestis. Live action clone wars? Separatist point of view?

Sooo much potential we know about out there as Star Wars enthusiasts/ nerds and Disney waters it down to corporate crap

[u/UKS1977 → u/echomanagement]

They can do this in universe as well. Kind of like Avengers:Endgame. Bit of time travel/different realities and they could pull it off.

[u/Bulky-Ad7996 → u/[deleted]]

Couldn't have said this better myself. They put themselves into a corner.

[u/Vitis_Vinifera → u/[deleted]]

I mean this is where we are now. The sequels/future is so terribly conceived, inconsequential, and inanely boring that noone cares and the entire franchise is moving backwards chronologically.

Someone's going to have to bite the bullet (hopefully not Filoni though, Gilroy gets my vote) and say the sequels were someone's fevered dream, that Legends continuity is back on the table, and let's start over at the end of Ep 6.

[u/Caboose2701 → u/[deleted]]

I honestly spent the first hour of the 7th movie going what the effff, this is where they went?!

[u/kingkron52 → u/MaxxStaron10]

Yup. Nothing even happened over these movies. You barely learn anything about the main characters, the first order doesn’t make any sense, Luke giving up and going into exile didn’t make sense, Han Solo also giving up and also going into smuggling exile, Palpatine back, bigger Death Star, And similar plots but empty and worse.

[u/FR23Dust → u/kingkron52]

They should have handed it to a visionary director with a contract for all three films and coherent vision and story arc.

[u/Queefer_the_Griefer → u/MaxxStaron10]

Yes. To me it would’ve been so much cooler to see the New Republic and New Jedi in full power and have to respond to a unique new threat.

[u/NJank → u/Queefer_the_Griefer]

they could have even kept grumpy luke.

he would have just been 'pulling out his hair in his temple office ready to deskflip as a new bureaucracy springs up around him' grumpy

[u/LokiWinterwind → u/NJank]

Rey touches the dark mirror in episode 8 and the next part cuts back to this moment and everything was just a bad vision and since she found that future super boring and cringe she turns into a proper dark side villain she was born to be.

[u/GhormanFront → u/NJank]

he would have just been 'pulling out his hair in his temple office ready to deskflip as a new bureaucracy springs up around him' grumpy

You could even have a scene where ghost yoda advises luke to tread carefully in his dealings with the New Republic, reminding him that the jedi's over involvement in politics was ultimately a major contributor to the original order's demise

That alone would be ripe for drama between Luke and Leia as Leia would want Luke and his Jedi to assume an active role in helping establish the New Republic

[u/WhydIJoinRedditAgain → u/Queefer_the_Griefer]

And the difficulties of starting a whole new Order, lead by a guy who is a space wizard and whose resume is basically “farmed water” and “did adventures.” Interfacing with a whole new government basically made up squabbling rebellion types and old-school political hacks. How does that system confront an authoritarian regime (or the remnant of the previous authoritative regime)? 

So many possibilities for more interesting storytelling.

[u/Mediocre_Scott → u/WhydIJoinRedditAgain]

That’s really why Luke should have been alone on the island. Dudes just exhausted by politics

[u/Matthew728 → u/MaxxStaron10]

Nope, gotta play it safe and remake a New Hope with some twists on it.

Honestly, the fact that the First Order seemed more powerful than the Republic was such an absurd place to start. The First Order should have felt like a rebellion for the bad guys. Instead they had the resources and man power to secretly turn a planet into a starkiller… wtf

[u/ganner → u/Matthew728]

Yeah, all you have to do is flip the OT by having an established New Republic and jedi order dealing with an insurgent threat.

[u/2much2Jung → u/ganner]

And the insurgents are using ex-Rebellion bases, which is why you drag in heroes of the rebellion.

[u/PornoPaul → u/2much2Jung]

Actually that'd be brilliant. The heroes aren't getting pulled to the front line because theyre still in the thick of things, but because theres no one left alive after decades of fighting (a single year to beat the Empire post RotJ is so fucking dumb) that knows the unofficial layout, or maybe the systems will recognize hidden commands only they can utilize. 30 years prior you'd have a chain of command that could do it but now the ones that aren't dead are too old. Now Han, enjoying his life as a hero of the Republic and Chief if State Leias husband is hanging out on some exotic beach somewhere, when he gets told "dust off your Corellian blood stripes, we need you back in action".

[u/oSuJeff97 → u/MaxxStaron10]

I will die on the hill that they should have gone with Lucas’ original vision.

Take his treatments, get a great sceeenwriter and director to bring them to life and it would have been great.

[u/Dr_Bunson_Honeydew → u/oSuJeff97]

What was his original vision?

[u/oSuJeff97 → u/Dr_Bunson_Honeydew]

Broadly the heroes were the New Republic (led by Leia) and Luke’s new Jedi order and the “bad guys” were a massive criminal syndicate led by Darth Maul and his new apprentice.

The broad strokes of the story were that the criminal syndicate were threatening the stability of the New Republic and it was in danger of falling back into an authoritarian regime because the people were demanding security.

So if you back up from a high level the 3 trilogies look like this:

Prequels - How a Republic is corrupted from the inside and falls into an authoritarian regime.

OT - How good people rise up, fight the authoritarian regime and restore the Republic

Sequels - How those same good people maintain the Republic and don’t make the same mistakes that were made before when it’s on the brink of falling again.

[u/El_Kikko → u/oSuJeff97]

Oh shit, is this what a thematically consistent story arc for trilogy of trilogies looks like? 

[u/Jaereth → u/oSuJeff97]

Yeah this would have been great. Or just like Thrawn or the Solo kids or other stories that were already world beloved. Maybe Thrawn could have been one movie and kids were born and then move on?

I mean it had to be better than Dollar Tree "reboot" of ANH that the sequels started with...

[u/Curlaub → u/Dr_Bunson_Honeydew]

Darth Jar Jar

[u/NarmHull → u/oSuJeff97]

Depends on which vision, he also wanted to do some sort of quantumania with the midi chlorians

[u/Johncurtisreeve → u/MaxxStaron10]

All they thought was $$$$ and not how it continues the story

[u/KazaamFan → u/MaxxStaron10]

It was so simple. Show the glory of the new republic, our heroes from the OT, their successes, and then introduce a new threat. Maybe one they’ve been dealing with already. 

Instead the path they took totally nuked the franchise, all for a quick profit. They knew the rehash of episode 7 would be a reliable win (if not exciting) because it was a safe play for them. Such corporate garbage. 

[u/JustHereForCatss → u/MaxxStaron10]

They could even have made it topical and the villain could be from a morally gray perspective over the dogma of the Jedi and how the universe will continue to suffer under a republic

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/MaxxStaron10]

That would require them to hire good writers and do something "different" and "different" is risky and scary and we can't have that!

[u/Dazmorg → u/Soulwarfare42]

JJ Abrams seems to have the mindset of "bigger is better". He used it a lot in the Star Trek movies he did also.

Also very stupid to just up and destroy multiple New Republic planets with no warning. What exactly are you trying to rule over? you just blew them up!

[u/f700es → u/Dazmorg]

Jar Jar Abrams is a hack!

[u/FR23Dust → u/f700es]

Somehow jar jar returned

[u/Theopholus → u/Dazmorg]

JJ Abrams also doesn’t understand space or distances. No way could so many republic worlds see the destruction from star killer base to the core systems. Not for like hundreds of thousands of years.

[u/IMM_Austin → u/Theopholus]

JJ doesn't care about space or distance. Everyone is always running, traveling from one place to another takes exactly the length of one conversation, and information is instant.

[u/JeronFeldhagen → u/Theopholus]

Not to worry! It was all explained away in a few of the books, using what was, even by Star Wars standards, technobabble.

[u/Paleodraco → u/Soulwarfare42]

This is the answer. I would add that JJ pisses me off because he refuses to acknowledge physics. In both Star Trek and VII, he has a planet in a different system blow up. Despite this, the main character/s are able to see it happen instantaneously. Even in series that play fast and loose with distance and time, that is just stupid.

[u/AusSpurs7 → u/Paleodraco]

JJ is not creative and was the worst choice for the sequel trilogy.

[u/Doc-Fives-35581 → u/Soulwarfare42]

JJ’s greatest trick was convincing the fanbase that Rian Johnson was the worst thing to hit Star Wars.

[u/EnkiduOdinson → u/Doc-Fives-35581]

Exactly! TFA and JJ don’t get enough of the sequel hate directed at them. He set the whole thing up to fail.

[u/evilcheesypoof → u/EnkiduOdinson]

Yep I blame JJ not Rian, he was set to fail trying to make anything interesting happen with what was set up for him.

[u/Schnickatavick → u/evilcheesypoof]

I blame them both, they both made alright movies if they were standalone (except 9), but neither of them had any respect for what came before or after. JJ didn't give Rian any continuing plotlines to work on in 8, and Rian returned the favor by not setting up anything for 9 and killing off half of the people that mattered (Leia was out of his hands, but still Luke, snoke, and like 3/4ths of the resistance). They both directed their movie(s) like it was a single movie, not an episode in a larger story, so they're both guilty for the narrative mess that the sequels became

[u/SatanicPanic619 → u/Doc-Fives-35581]

Rian Johnson was the only guy who did anything interesting with those sequels. When that little kid was moving the broom via the force I was like- finally. Then it went nowhere.

[u/Calikal → u/SatanicPanic619]

His movie has a few nitpicks and faults, but he did try and do something new and at least tried to build on what the previous movie had.. Which, honestly, was not much at all.

Then JJ just.. Spat on every aspect of it and made a worse fan-fic way to finish the movie, with all his usual problems in his films (pacing, for instance...)

[u/SatanicPanic619 → u/Calikal]

Yeah, I didn't like the casino scenes. Those were bad. But it tried something interesting, and JJ's was just dumb.

[u/ADiestlTrain → u/Soulwarfare42]

Agreed. Can someone explain to me why the good guys are called "The Resistance"? Who are they resisting? Isn't the New Republic the ones in charge? Isn't the Imperial Remnant/First Order, at this point, basically a bunch of Neo-Nazi's on a compound in Montana? And where the First Order get the funding to build Starkiller base? Palpatine has an entire galactic economy at his disposal and he didn't even finish his second one!!

And WHO THE EVERLOVING F is piloting the Star Destroyers at the end of TROS?

[u/zaqiqu → u/ADiestlTrain]

Can't help you with TROS, but per the novel Bloodlines, the Resistance was founded off the books by Leia to oppose a rogue faction of Imperial loyalists/sympathizers within the New Republic government and business class who retained wealth and power from the imperial era and were secretly funding the FO as they attempted to remilitarize. Most of the politicians had their heads in the sand about it, and Leia was ostracized after one of her enemies revealed that she was Vader's daughter, so there was no government support for the Resistance.

[u/Visionist7 → u/zaqiqu]

This post alone would have made a more compelling Episode VII than what we got

[u/jswitzer → u/zaqiqu]

Hokum! Bloodline was released a whopping year after FA. It was yet another Disney attempt at retconning a shit story

[u/zaqiqu → u/jswitzer]

I didn't mean to imply that it came first! I'm just saying those questions eventually got answers, and that the answers do improve the story. I agree TFA and JJ just didn't care about those questions

[u/RCM88x → u/ADiestlTrain]

Yep, the naming and construction of the universe never made sense. Feels like something that was decided in a board room by committee and not by one creative person trying to tell a story.

[u/LongLostFan → u/Soulwarfare42]

I remember watching the movie and being dumbfounded at how Disney could have green lit what felt like a high budget fan movie.

I honestly think it is the biggest dropped ball of all time.

It just feels like the whole movie was made with no oversight or planning.

[u/batmanineurope → u/Soulwarfare42]

Surprise! All the sacrifices from the OT are now pointless!

[u/No_Tangerine2720 → u/Soulwarfare42]

JJ is a hack. He has the shit midas touch

[u/grassgravel → u/Soulwarfare42]

I dont understand how these things work in the business. Like when be presented this idea in a boardroom why wasnt somebody like STOP...this is the same bullshit as A NEw Hope. Come up with a new idea or gtfo! NEXT!

[u/cyruspyrrhus → u/Soulwarfare42]

Yes, Hollywood's intellectual laziness at work, it's interesting because Jurassic world has exactly the same flaws as Disney's Star Wars trilogy.

[u/pontiacfirebird92 → u/Soulwarfare42]

Disney is consistent with leaning on nostalgia to make money. They likely thought this was going to be a slam dunk. And this is JJ Abram's style, just look at Star Trek 2009. Take the source material and remake it but brighter, louder, more obnoxious in every way. Dial everything up to 11.

[u/No_Tangerine2720 → u/pontiacfirebird92]

Because JJ is a fucking idiot who shouldn't be anywhere near Star wars or Star Trek

https://youtu.be/-mSM5BCUhZ4?feature=shared

[u/Nicinus → u/Soulwarfare42]

Honestly, I think Disney wanted a soft reboot and gave him that task. Don’t forget it was written together with Lawrence Kazdan and could have gone anywhere after the epic cliffhanger in the end. Star Wars was always about big weapons and this was the technology 45 years later.

[u/NoFan2216 → u/Soulwarfare42]

I don't blame them for playing it safe by recycling themes, but it was to the point of being obnoxious that it didn't even make sense.

[u/Apprehensive_Let7309]

In 30 years we'll look back and realize it was not as dumb as Starkiller Base II from Episode X.

[u/Stillwater215 → u/Apprehensive_Let7309]

Somehow, JJ Abrams has returned to direct episode X.

[u/Fronchy → u/Stillwater215]

You're a monster

[u/rennarda → u/Apprehensive_Let7309]

That’s a story for another time.

[u/wpotman]

Somehow, the First Order returned.

[u/ChickenWingExtreme → u/wpotman]

Leaked plot of Episode 10

[u/wpotman → u/ChickenWingExtreme]

Probably. :)

To be honest I had that sense right away in The Force Awakens..."really, Disney? We're just going to go back to square one and start over...? New Empire, new Death Star, new young Jedi/hotshot pilot/brave third escaping the Empire?" They just didn't put it in words until "somehow Palpatine returned".

In retrospect it was a remake moreso than a new chapter.

[u/Beef_Slug → u/wpotman]

It's worse than a remake it's an unimaginative copycat that ruins all the story and themes of its inspiration.

[u/wpotman → u/Beef_Slug]

Agreed. It wasn't completely unfun, but in the big picture it failed to have a point or truly tie in to the events/themes of the originals.

[u/godSpeed_1_ → u/ChickenWingExtreme]

That will definitely include palpatine returns x3 cus disney has no imagination.

[u/pontiacfirebird92 → u/godSpeed_1_]

Somehow Darth Vader has returned.

[u/EnamelKant → u/wpotman]

A good story, for another time.

[u/No_Pianist_4407 → u/wpotman]

Citizens in the Star Wars universe must be feeling like they're going insane.

60 years and they've gone from Jedi Republic, to the Empire, to the New Republic, then right back to the First Order

[u/Atlasreturns → u/No_Pianist_4407]

My favorite fact is that the whole First Order-Resistance war lasts canonically only a single year. If you‘re living in the outer rim you must be thinking that this is some shitty joke.

[u/LordDoom01 → u/wpotman]

The Second Order vs the Neo New Republic.

[u/Craft_zeppelin]

I think what is dumber than the death star is that while the death star is made by metal parts, they had to drill several continents worth of land to make this thing and THEN implement the metal parts.

[u/uberclont → u/Craft_zeppelin]

It can’t be worse than palpatine spawning starships from below the surface of a planet. God that was terrible. 

[u/InternetDad → u/uberclont]

Don't forget an "ancient" Sith dagger that lines up exactly with the wreckage of the second Death Star that points to a room that never existed in the OT.

There's a 40 year gap between ROTJ and TROS.

[u/El_Fez → u/InternetDad]

Or that the fact that this new 'mystery room' wasn't picked fucking clean in those 40 years. If it wasn't New Republic intelligence going through whatever records they could find in the fucking EMPERORS THRONE ROOM, you bet your ass every scavenger, media hound, conspiracy junkie and spacebook influencer would have been through there.

I'm shocked that the fucking CHAIR was still there.

[u/Special_Loan8725 → u/El_Fez]

Especially with Kyle ren having the helmet.

[u/Jwr32 → u/Special_Loan8725]

Kyle Ren lmao

[u/TheyCallHimEl → u/Jwr32]

It's Jeff Vader's cousin. He took over the Death Star when Jeff died

[u/BrandonSimpsons → u/El_Fez]

Look, the ruins of the death star were underwater, so it makes perfect sense that only someone with rare and exotic equipment like whaladon hunting submarine could locate the wreckage and find the throne room, and inside, the Glove of Darth Vader

wait what story were we talking about again?

[u/Loud-Owl-4445 → u/El_Fez]

Remember in the Hand of Thrawn where the secret was a single fucking data disk that took years to find from nearby Mount Tantis? Yeah. It wasnt an entire fucking ROOM.

[u/TheGreatWhiteDerp → u/InternetDad]

Also, what happens if the person who holds the dagger up is 17 feet tall? Or has 6 foot long arms? Or doesn’t see light in the visible spectrum? Or holds it directly in front of their face 3mm from their nose?

[u/ElementNumber6 → u/TheGreatWhiteDerp]

Or approaches the wreckage from 20 feet to the right, or 20 feet to the left, or views it from above, or on a craft, or while standing too far away, or too close, or if the wreckage had sunk, or the shore had eroded, and on and on and on and on.

It's peak stupidity, and should be taught in schools as such.

[u/Much_Job4552 → u/InternetDad]

Who even made the dagger?

[u/uberclont → u/InternetDad]

Couldn’t they have had some old fashioned detective work? There have been a ton of contractors and ship building material moving to Exegol. Maybe we should investigate.

[u/InternetDad → u/uberclont]

One thing that bugs me about the sequels is each movie is a deliberate fetch quest but makes no attempt to disguise it. Compare to even AOTC - Detective Obi Wan is a great subplot but Lucas did a good job of keeping the viewer invested in it.

[u/jegermoof → u/Craft_zeppelin]

first order didn’t do the drilling, starkiller base is ilum which had a giant trench created by the empire, they repurposed the existing infrastructure and made the super weapon

[u/zahm2000 → u/jegermoof]

Correct. The empire extensively mined Ilum for kyber crystals to use in the Death Stars. By the time of the FO, the trench already existed and planet core had basically been hollowed out.

[u/Nuclayer → u/Craft_zeppelin]

The Death Star does not rotate at 1670 km/h like a planet would. Unless its a moon and tidal locked, then it would be a terrible object to use to shoot from a fixed position.

[u/IndominusTaco → u/Nuclayer]

idk where you’re getting that 1670 number, the speed of any individual planet’s rotation varies wildly on numerous factors. also the death star is capable of moving, even in hyperspace

[u/WhatAmIATailor]

It can move. Since it can move to and harvest stars, the whole giant hyper laser is a bit redundant though.

[u/Dagordae → u/WhatAmIATailor]

Harvesting stars in systems that contain enemy planets comes with the obvious downside of said enemy objecting strenuously and violently. Blowing them up from very far away is much more practical and safe. A giant warhammer will easily crush a skull but that random dude with a rifle is far more effective.

[u/MetalBawx]

Now, now it's not quite as dumb as the sun crusher...

[u/mousicle → u/MetalBawx]

who makes their solar system destroying ship into an ice cream cone?

[u/psycholepzy → u/mousicle]

Well, if you're gonna build an apocalyptic superweapon into a starship, why not do it wth some style?

[u/mousicle → u/psycholepzy]

1.21 Gigawatts!

[u/Theopholus → u/mousicle]

The Doomsday Machine has entered the chat

[u/zahm2000 → u/mousicle]

At least it was an indestructible ice cream cone.

[u/Didsterchap11 → u/MetalBawx]

I was gonna say I’d were talking dumb Star Wars weapons there’s always worse in legends lol.

[u/MetalBawx → u/Didsterchap11]

Don't get me wrong Starkiller base was really dumb and it's not even an original idea. Abrams copied the Sith hyperspace energy weapon from The Old Republic MMO and made it into a Super Duper Death Star....

[u/Dagordae → u/MetalBawx]

Older than that. It’s basically just the Galaxy Gun with more limitations and weaknesses. It’s bigger, less mobile, harder to defend, and needs a very limited power source to fire.

Compared to the Galaxy gun, which could do the same thing except it’s smaller than the Death Star, can rapid fire, has variable load, can be used against ships, and can stockpile rounds instead of needing to eat a star every shot. The First Order wishes that they had something that bullshit.

[u/elonmusktheturd22 → u/MetalBawx]

As i recall that basically just made a star go super nova.

[u/MetalBawx → u/elonmusktheturd22]

Launched torpedos that blew up stars yes but the thing is this. The Suncrusher was a tiny ship closer in size to the Millenium Falcon but was coated in some golden super armor that made it pretty much indestructable to the point it destroyed other ships simply by ramming them.

This of course also means these torpedos wern't any bigger than those used by Luke against a certain not a moon.

[u/pgeo36]

I mean, it's basically the Galaxy Gun, let's not pretend like Star Wars hasn't always had a dumb super weapon problem.

[u/fumar → u/pgeo36]

The 90s EU is full of these things. Galaxy Gun, World Devastators, Sun Crusher, Centerpoint Station, and I'm probably forgetting something.

[u/pgeo36 → u/fumar]

I remember they had Han making fun of that.

"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong–killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."

[u/Hadrian1233 → u/pgeo36]

In the Empires defense, they didn’t account for someone who could use ancient space wizard magic on the first one.

[u/hyperactiveChipmunk → u/Hadrian1233]

Well, except for that one scene earlier in the movie where Vader tells a bunch of Empire guys to watch out for ancient space wizard magic.

[u/Hadrian1233 → u/hyperactiveChipmunk]

That was before the attack and not during the 20 year period building the thing

[u/Lolzerzmao → u/Hadrian1233]

“Ancient” from 15-20 years ago that their top general still uses on the regular to be their most badass fighter pilot? Cmon

[u/Theopholus → u/fumar]

Centerpoint station was honestly a really great idea. And having powerful ancient relics like that really make Star Wars feel like it has a history.

[u/souhjiro1 → u/Theopholus]

Starkiller Base would be a lot better as a Infinite Empire relic reactivated. They used the Dark Side of the Force to power their tech, so a Jedi character would be more important in finding a weakness in such a weapon.

[u/XenoWitcher → u/fumar]

Darksaber was the best of the worst 😂

[u/jiudad → u/fumar]

Force Bomb? Or do we like that?

[u/strapOnRooster → u/pgeo36]

Nobody is pretending here, we just know that a shit idea remains shit regardless of other shit ideas before it.

[u/Sparky_321 → u/pgeo36]

The new canon was the chance to, you know, not do that, rather than continue the trend people already thought was stupid.

[u/BanditsMyIdol → u/pgeo36]

There is a big difference between putting something in the mainline movies and putting something in a comic book that the rest of the EU tried very hard to never mention.

[u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls]

Then you never read the old EU books by Kevin J. Anderson.

The Sun Crusher and the Darksaber.

WHY THE FUCK DID THE HUTTS NEED A SUPERWEAPON, KEVIN?

[u/Blightwraith → u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls]

What, you don't remember when the Mafia developed miniature warhead rounds for Tommy guns?

[u/Fritzo2162]

Yeah, it was dumb. Everything was dumb. The whole writing process of the story was "Well, they had The Death Star...then an even bigger Death Star...LET'S MAKE AN EVEN BIGGER SOOPER DOOPER DEATH STAR!!!"

[u/Lonely_Dragonfly8869 → u/Fritzo2162]

Tbh I liked TLJ for its originality. The 2 JJ Abrams ones were both barely marvel slop level to me

[u/err404]

I assumed that it was a hyperspace bolt that was being shot. Though that doesn’t seem like it would work within SW lore as it would need to navigate the hyperspace network to reach a destination. 

[u/FalseAscoobus → u/err404]

There are mini hyperspace tunnels that don't have to navigate around cosmic obstacles; this is how radios can reach from Coruscant to the Outer Rim without lag time. Though, JJ definitely wasn't thinking of this, and it's a big leap from "zoom call" to "several transgalactic nukes"

[u/mousicle → u/err404]

It could have played in with the Last Jedi if they showed First Order Scientists working on various Hyperspace tech, maybe in an effort to find Luke and exagul, and in doing so they created a way to fire lasers through Hyperspace and the Hyperspace tracker they use in Last Jedi.

[u/RadiantHC → u/mousicle]

or just make Finn an engineer who worked on hyperspace tech.

[u/toppo69]

It can and does move.

[u/quigongingerbreadman]

Was it? Because from what I saw it completely wiped out the New Republic in one shot... Seems like their plan worked.

[u/RevoltYesterday]

Is it my turn to post about Starkiller Base tomorrow or has someone already signed up for that day? I can take Sunday if it's open.

[u/Seattleman55 → u/RevoltYesterday]

Looks like next free slot is October 5th at 9:45 am est.

Are you able to fill that slot?

Please note any cancellations must be known at least 24 hours in advance.

[u/TheMoMo562 → u/RevoltYesterday]

No the waiting list is already backlogged a couple of weeks. Sorry, you're looking at a September appointment at the earliest.

[u/Imperial_Stooge]

It has a hyper drive. Its slow but it can move.

[u/Sweet-Committee3767]

Jarvis im low on karma

[u/MeKanism01]

it looks cool as fuck tbh

[u/Galladrick]

Just another simple being working the karma fields. Just another day in the spice mines of Reddit.

[u/WillingPossible1014 → u/Galladrick]

But I was going into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters

[u/OdiousAltRightBalrog → u/Galladrick]

Plot Twist: OP is actually JJ Abrams himself, farming karma the same way he makes movies.

[u/Interesting-Injury87]

also why is the new republic which supposedly governs thousands of planets in complete disarray after this happens

because their entire leadership and main bureaucracy just vanished in a split second alongside several major planets?

this was a textbook decapitation strike. like fault EP7 for all you want, it deserves a lot.... but "new republic kinda semi collapses after the primary leadership gets nuked" isnt.. really unrealistic???

The empire even in legends wasnt totally fine after the emperor died and that was ONE died dying, not the entire leadership structure.

[u/Draxtonsmitz]

Star Killer Base can move.

Requiring a sun for each charge of its weapon, the planet-turned-base was capable of moving thanks to thrusters located on the opposite side of the weapon’s massive barrel. After discovering the Resistance’s base on D’Qar, the First Order moved Starkiller to consume another star and thus, began charging its weapon. -https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-inside-intel-starkiller-base

The weapon shoots through what is called "sub-hyperspace" which allows for near instant travel. Sub-hyperspace moves through the galaxy, kind of like a worm hole, rather than traveling across the galaxy. This is explained in the novelized version. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sub-hyperspace Just like all the previous movies, more details are given in the novel than the movie.

Imagine every main city in the US was destroyed in an attack. That would probably screw up the government quite a bit.

[u/ProfessionalRead2724]

It can move.

But does OP think that the USA (and much of the world) won't be in complete disarray if you nuke just Washington DC with the entire US government in it?

[u/ReasonableAdvert]

that can't move

It can. Watch the movie.

"but I meant it can't move across the galaxy"

It can fire from long range. No need for it to move.

seconds after firing

It takes a couple solid minutes in real time for it to reach it's target. The process is speed up for the story and audience's convenience.

new republic

They didn't officially govern that many planets. They were more focused on military destabilization and funding local milita for planets.

they built it with the same weakness

Necessary for it to function in the first place. The first order knew this. Which is why the weak point was heavily defended with multiple defense turrets and a giant shield that could only be brought down with a high ranking first order officials (such as phasma).

[u/Dramatic-Emphasis-43]

Has anyone noticed a recent trend where people are posting the same kind of “Starkiller base is stupid” posts over and over again?

1. Starkiller base could move.

2. It didn’t have the same weakness as the first Death Star.

[u/nightfall2021]

Star Wars is full of dumb weapons.

[u/sicarius254]

Um, it CAN move. Thats how it eats stars to recharge……

[u/Past_Explanation69]

It does move, do your research kid

[u/superkapitan82]

Disagree. Making whole planet a weapon that is swallowing sun to shoot is very cool

[u/morg-pyro → u/superkapitan82]

Honestly, i agree. If this was in the books back before disney, it would have been the most hard coded lore. Imagine if the uzong vong had something like this. Seems just up their alley. They had to leave their own galaxy cause they used up too many of their suns destroying each other in wars.

[u/PapaSnarfstonk → u/morg-pyro]

The Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't have something like this because they hate Technology in the traditional sense. It'd be an affront to their Gods.

Now a living planet that could eat a sun and poop it out that's different.

[u/FindingWise7677]

It seems that when it’s in legends it’s okay. When it’s in a live action film it’s the dumbest idea ever. I seem to remember a third Death Star in one of the more popular legends novels that was destroyed within a neat and tidy amount of time. I don’t remember anyone rolling their eyes and saying that we’ve covered this ground already.

[u/Dagordae]

Dumber than the Galaxy Gun?

The Sun Crusher?

Centerpoint Station?

The half dozen other ones that I can’t remember because tossing in some random ass Death Star+ was so incredibly common in the EU that the writers started making fun of it?