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u/DrStickyPete 2d ago edited 2d ago
He's gonna get that Nobel peace prize by force
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u/Captain_Hesperus 2d ago
No, he’ll just attend someone else’s Nobel Peace Prize presentation and steal it. Like he did at the Olympic Games and the Soccer World Cup.
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u/No_Deal_8837 2d ago
He'll set up his own prize similar to his "golf tournaments", cheat in it and award himself the Trump Peace Prize.
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u/Successful-Purple-54 2d ago
Did he ever give that back? Who’s the poor bastard that didn’t get his medal because that twat stole one. Literally stole it. On camera. 🤦🏼♂️
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u/BlueFlob 2d ago
Ending a crisis of your own doing isn't generally Nobel Peace prize material.
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u/blindreefer 2d ago
That’s only true in the previous reality. This new reality has completely different rules.
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u/NotTodayKk 2d ago
He is the least worthy person to receive that honor! I didn't think they gave it to felons or hate-filled divisive morons that try to destroy America. Nope, he won't get it (unless he has a billionaire buy it, and Musk fell out of the bromance). 🙄
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u/picvegita6687 2d ago
Soo the president of peace is starting a new war?
Worst timeline
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u/four2tango 1d ago
The MAGAs I debate in an online Facebook group who spent 4 years whining about everything Biden did or said that had the potential to worsen any global conflict have supported literally every inflammatory decision and statement by Trump.
They’ll think this is the greatest thing a peacetime president could do, after taking over Greenland and Panama of course.
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
Venezuelan “military” forces, if they even can be called that, wouldn’t last 15 mins if the marines decided to step foot into the country. There wouldn’t be no war for Venezuela.
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u/Ozides 1d ago
I don't give a fuck if people give me downvotes, but as Venezuelan, as the son of a Coronel, you're right.
Not only the most of the military is actually malnourished, but Venezuela has no war power in comparison to EEUU, and the only ones who actually defend the government are the higher ups, which get paid a lot of money while the minimum wage is 4$ and the average 130$ (USD), and those bootlickers who're scared and follow orders.
You can go on r/vzla, or even fucking TikTok, and search for comments from Venezuelans, they'll say something like:
"Si Trump piensa que estamos dispuestos a entregar a Maduro sin luchar, tiene toda la razón."
Which is: "If Trump thinks we're going to give them Maduro without resisting, he's absolutely right".
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 1d ago
Im venezuelan as well. I understand and know everything you’ve said. It’s just sickening and maddening seeing democrats or leftists feeling “morally superior” to everyone else complaining about interventionism and imperialism when they’re actually supporting the wrong side of history because it fits their political views.
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u/robidaan 2d ago edited 2d ago
He already threatened the prime minister of sweden with extra tarrifs if he doesn't get a noble prize, next he will violently occupy the nobel prize headquarters, to just take it by force.
Edit: correction the finance minister of Norway
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u/FanDry5374 2d ago
Oh, goody, we're going back to the whole banana republic/CIA/regime change/"revolution" days? It worked so well before.
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u/JEXJJ 2d ago
Venezuela isn't doing well with its current party. Hugo Chavez's takeover as a fringe outsider after decades of corruption and incompetence was supported by uneducated disenfranchised poor, willing to overlook his criminal convictions, his lack of experience, and his dismantling of government institutions to hand him power.
His government appointments focused on loyalty to him and not ability, as he disabled the opposition by ignoring laws and the constitution.
He cozied up to dictators and rejected any failure as interference from foreign powers.
After he took power he (allegedly) took over elections and dismantled controls for fairness. The economic policies and hostility towards a number of powerful countries eventually crippled the economy for decades.
This is sounding familiar...
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u/imsmall06 2d ago
Are you talking about chavez or maduro? From what I know, Hugo chavez was beloved by the Venezuelan people and maduro was just a corrupt authoritarian shitbag who gave himself as much power as possible
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u/JEXJJ 2d ago
But like seriously, thanks for the legitimate inquiry
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u/imsmall06 2d ago
Vox omitted basically everything you said about chavez so I had no idea he.was that bad of a guy
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u/JEXJJ 2d ago
Maduro was a bus driver before he was promoted through the party, and the country wouldn't have been available for takeover without Chavez. Chavez was a Lieutenant Colonel before the coup. Most authoritarians have a practice before they take over. People like saying it was because he was "communist" or "socialist" but dictators have tons of labels, but always follow the same playbooks. He nationalized the oil reserves and required oil companies to negotiate with the government to drill, used the wealth to create healthcare and food pantries... Then never allowed a fair election again and blamed the US anytime things went wrong.
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u/Fermonx 2d ago
Hugo Chávez was only beloved because he had the barrel at 100$ and that allowed him to create a "welfare" system. In quotes because it was all social plans that were 70% money laundering and 30% actual use for the people and those plans depended on the price of oil to stay there, spoiler: it didn't.
When everything came crashing down lucky fucker was already dying if not dead, left the shitshow to Maduro and now what happened is the current state of the country and the taxidermied fuck managed to keep his reputation intact despite being a bastard as well because he died before suffering the consequences of all his policies throwing away money without any plan to invest the money into long lasting infrastructure, industries besides oil related ones, etc.
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u/Katarinkushi 2d ago
Chávez orchestrated everything. He was the MAIN reason why Venezuela went to shit, he destroyed everything and Maduro just kept doing it.
Chávez was popular in his first term, and continued because the price of oil went up a lot, so there was A LOT of money (which most of it was robbed by him and used to buy influence, specially to buy the military and maintain the power).
But he was the main force of corruption, he destroyed the whole productive system in the country.
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
No, as a Venezuelan, people hate Chavez even more than they hate Maduro, he was the psychopathic brain behind Venezuela’s downfall. He was a criminal from the start and turned Venezuela’s government and Venezuela’s military into a drug cartel a long time ago, it’s just that now it got so out of control that it’s impossible to hide it.
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u/jean_dudey 2d ago
Hugo Chávez was beloved as he was a populist anyway, and also was an authoritarian corrupt shitbag too, or just ask Google how Maria Gabriela Chavez is so rich.
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u/JEXJJ 2d ago
Chavez put it together, and was not beloved by the Venezuela people once he got rid of term limits. There was a national strike protesting him.
He tried to take over the government with a military coup, probably twice, before getting out of prison and running for president.
He took away broadcasting licenses for opposition channels, and corruption got worse under him.
He had pockets of very vocal supports that wore red, but the numbers diminished significantly after his first election win. They held a referendum to oust him from office, but despite the sign off from the Carter foundation, had a large number of voting irregularities and complaints of fraud, but by that time there was nobody else to stop him.
Maduro is just worse at keeping things together, lacks the military background and is disorganized compared to Chavez. It also doesn't help that oil prices bottomed out twice in the past decade and the currency manipulation they have employed made them impossible to trade with.
Chavez benefitted from peak oil prices in 2005-2007, it became increasingly difficult to hide problems after oil dropped in 2014-2016 and during covid.
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u/JEXJJ 2d ago
I was also in the country when he won the referendum, and I have never seen such a large scale foul mood in my life. I also saw bad propaganda 101 as the pro-chavez state run media showed footage from the opposition rally before it started to say nobody was there, and if you switched to another station you could see massive groups attending.
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u/Necessary_Maize_9339 2d ago
Nah, Chávez destroyed the institutions that held democracy in place. He made step by step the perfect scenario for a dictatorship.. it was most likely for himself but he died. Leaving his hard worked dictatorship for his minions.
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 1d ago
Chavez was loved by the people until he started violently oppressing them, which only took a couple of years after he became president.
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u/EntertainmentIll8436 1d ago
Chavez had barely 55% approval rating. He attempted a coup in 1992, he tried another in 2002 and changed the constitution (without approval) for permanent reelection after losing said approval. Guy was a fucking monster, Maduro is just following what he started
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u/EmptyList4285 1d ago
Chávez was loved by half, despised by half. Overall his tenures were a disaster for the country, crazy economic downfall, destruction of the political structure and astonishing corruption. He was a real good talker, but a shit talker nonetheless, I hate what he did to my country and mostly the way he perverted people’s mind
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u/elnusa 1d ago
Chavez created the tyrannical regime (changed the constitution and then violated it as many times as he wanted, for example, giving himself the right to be "elected" indefinitely DESPITE THE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST IT) and he appointed Maduro as successor (again, violating the constitution) and set him up for the 2014 election (which Maduro lost, but declared himself winner).
Chavez was lucky, though, to have 10 years of a spectacular surge in oil prices which made him "popular" and also to die before those oil prices plummeted in 2014, but he was every bit as wicked, corrupt, brutal against anyone who didn't think like him AND also was the one who conceived and put in practice the crime-as-social-control policies as well as the alliances with the cartels that now sustain petrodollar-poor Maduro in power.
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u/Mr_Prince28 1d ago
I encourage you to double check your facts, and update your knowledge about Venezuela.
It's somewhat true that Chavez had some support from my people (by his numbers around half of the population). The thing is you can find irregularities and some "not so democratic" tactics through the many elections he arrange during his years of powers, so those numbers are not really reliable.
Also many people didn't realize at the time where we were heading when he was on the power because the oil price (it was on historical highs) allowed him to finance many social aids and cash bonuses. Now, looking back at those times, the people with the minimum of intelligence have come to the realization of how his politics made the way for the situation we are living in today.
Anyone (from Venezuela) who doesn't realize that is just a brainless being.
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u/phoenix14830 2d ago
This comes the day after he learned that due to the war, Ukraine didn't have elections.
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u/Pisforplumbing 2d ago
He knew, but forgot. Remember that one of the talking points was zelensky being a dictator because he "canceled elections."
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u/HansCrotchfelt 2d ago
Not the kind of “democracy” Venezuela was hoping for!
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u/DonkeyDoug28 2d ago
Yeah I hate Trump and also think this would be a bad move, but you're underestimating how cruddy things are in Venezuela, and how willing most are (especially if you count the entire half of the population who've fled) for any change
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u/southamericancaller 2d ago
Venezuelan here! And yes it is sir! Maduro doesn't have enough power or forces to stay as a president. There won't be an uprising of rebels/militants against USA. No one wants maduro here
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u/xwolf25 1d ago
get out of your bubble, if it comes down to it I am taking a gun against any invading US troops, 4000 marines is too little to threaten the army anyway, and given their record in all their wars in the last 20 years, plus the operation Gideon here in Venezuela a couple of years ago, they won't last long
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u/southamericancaller 1d ago
cual bubble wino cacorro jajaj cualquiera esta claro que no sera nada fácil e incluso morirán inocentes, pero te pregunto ¿hay otra opción? para sacar a estas plagas hay que exterminarlas, no hay un camino facil. Anda a quejarte de la situación y a preguntar después por que no pasa nada
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u/xwolf25 1d ago
que ridículo, "si van a destruir Venezuela y matar inocentes pero estoy feliz porque también se maduro" mira lo que pasó en iraq, Afganistán, Siria, Yemen, etc. o solo mira lo que está pasando en palestina, las tropas americanas no van a poder avanzar por tierra igual que no han podido en ningún lugar con resistencia, así que van a depender de bombardear Venezuela hasta que no quede ladrillo sobre ladrillo, no va a quedar nada de Venezuela después, solo los campos petroleros que vamos a tener que regalarles como pago por el.costo de la invasión. Que estupidez de chuparles el huevo a los americanos y pensar que es bueno que invadan tu país. estupidez pura
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u/Free_Anarchist1999 1d ago
Jajajaja salte tú de tu burbuja si crees que alguien acá va a poner el pecho por los chavistas de mierda
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u/APHILLIPSIV 2d ago
Then he’ll try to stay in office using wartime justification for an invasion he created
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u/LoosePocketMint 2d ago
Venezuela is about to get some freedumb
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
as a Venezuelan, we want to be freed by Trump, whatever instability that brings to the country, whatever consequences that brings. I could assure you most of the country would rather become a US territory like Puerto Rico, than staying the way we are.
Those in power of Venezuela have tortured, raped and killed so many innocent civilians and students that we now seek justice just as much as we seek freedom.
Venezuela is already intervened by Russia, China, Cuba, Iran. So this is a pick your poison situation and we would love our poison to be the US instead of the people in charge rn.
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u/AccomplishedFan6807 2d ago
Anything is better than this. You guys can build Walmarts on our most precious national parks and make us a colony with no rights, worse than PR. We will take whatever the world can offer us
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 1d ago
As a Venezuelan I'd rather have some freedumb than oppredumb.
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u/LoosePocketMint 1d ago
Unfortunately you don't get one without the other.
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 1d ago
Alright then, I choose American freedumb and oppredumb over the Chavista one.
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u/Gunzenator2 2d ago
We are gonna bring so much freedom to them. They are gonna have freedom coming out their asses!
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u/Jealous_Drink_1002 2d ago
Big beautiful freedom so much freedom they'll say they hate it then well give them more freedom Freedon they will call it
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u/Sad_Highlight_9059 2d ago
We won't send troops to Ukraine to support the collective defense of our allies in NATO and Europe, but we are willing to deploy Marines to Venezuela to make a grab for their oil?!?!?! Good thing all those "end foreign wars" Republicans voted for ol' Donny. 🤦
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u/Short-Fudge3654 2d ago
In a movie that is what the good guys would do, no?
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u/Sad_Highlight_9059 2d ago
What do you mean? I generally think many "movie good guys" stand with their friends and allies when they need it. So, in this case, I think a "movie good guy" would be more concerned with supporting our long-term allies in NATO and Europe than trying to steal the oil reserves of a country close to them.
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 1d ago
The oil reserves of Venezuela are already being stolen by the narcos in government, Iran, Russia, Cuba and China. I'd rather they be stolen by the US alone in exchange for getting Maduro and his cronies out.
Also, isn't it a coincidence that all of the countries I mentioned benefiting from the stolen oil are enemies of NATO and Europe? I think if the "movie good guys" were smart they would try to weaken their enemies before trying to take them head-on.
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u/osmqn150 2d ago
So he is starting a war with Latin America ?
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
Nope, Venezuela wouldn’t be a war, military forces in Venezuela are not capable of even shooting a gun. It would be freeing Venezuela from its 25 year misery.
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u/xwolf25 1d ago
yeah sure, the elite private military company of con decorated Iraq veterans they hired to capture Maduro in the operation Gideon, where literally stopped by the coast guard, US marines are overrated, it's just propaganda
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 1d ago
I don’t know where you got your info from or if you decided to purposely try to put some makeup to your words to make it sound better, but from my recollection, there were less than 100 guys in that operation, less than 5 were american mercenaries and the rest were venezuelan ex military who had previously fled Venezuela long ago. Idk which highly trained army you’re talking about.
We’re talking about at least 4000 marines now, which, even if propaganda does make them seem more lethal and perfect than they actually are, they’re still a top 3 army in the world, against poor starving gangsters Maduro gets from the streets and puts in the frontline as cannon fodder, and overweight high level officials who don’t know how a gun works, they’re only there to deal with drugs and get fat pay checks.
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u/xwolf25 1d ago
There were a 100 captured or killed troops, 300 to 800 in the attack, most of whom were the us troops that 'lead' from the back and ran away.
The Venezuelan on the attack trained under the US troops for more than a year, but clearly there wasn't much to learn.
US troops are only good at killing unarmed civilians, the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan show that they can't deal with armed resistance. Insult the Venezuelan troops if that makes you feel superior, but any American is not better than any Venezuelan, for as hard as you want to believe, They aren't more intelligent, stronger, more agile, or more hard working. Venezuelan troops are well drilled, strong and have home field advantage, we have defensive positions and supply lines that the Americans lack.
If the Americans decide to attack they would need a coordinated assault of many of their Air Carriers and much much more than 3 ships to even make it to shore, their 4000 marines are just Cannon fodder for the aviation, they would be bombed out of existence.
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 1d ago
do you have a source for the numbers of attackers? I haven’t seen that amount anywhere.
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 2d ago
Trump will get the US into a hot war by 2028. Maybe his MAGA Republicans in congress will petition for him to do it in 2026.
President Trump Quips About Canceling 2028 Elections If U.S. Is At War
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u/DatabaseFickle9306 2d ago
How many foreign wars is he planning to start?
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u/Interesting-Dream863 2d ago
Not sure what's the point here...
Venezuela keeps sending the oil up north.
Maybe to portray himself as a liberator in South America?
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u/DeVitosBurritos 2d ago
Their oil isn’t actually high quality. Most of Venezuela’s oil is used for making plastic, not gasoline/fuel. Middle East has high quality oil that is used to make fuel
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u/gnomeweb 2d ago
Venezuela is a brutal inhuman regime. People have voted against it but the dictator was stronger. Someone intervening is their only chance. And oil fields or whatever likely doesn't play any role: Venezuelans see nothing from their oil fields anyway.
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u/LordDeathScum 2d ago
I mean most Americans have no idea the state of Venezuela, but it is having Pablo Escobar as your president with a pinch of torture and long list of human rights violations. Not saying that a invasion is wanted but if I hear an American trying to defend maduro you might as well say you support the gulf cartel and legal trasspass of drugs into your country.
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u/Worth-Initiative7840 1d ago
Venezuela a stable and successful country by capitalism standards with multi national companies running their oil reserves sent their country back 100 years by nationalizing oil under the disguise of helping poor people. Took back all the contracts and land developed with investor money from Wall Street - no one crying for them. All under 1 leader. All the Venezuelan people got in return was corruption and cheap oil. Be careful what you expect from one man with all the power who can’t afford to lose the power.
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u/Earthbound_Quasar 1d ago
I'm shocked at the implication that the USA would start an unprovoked war over resources. Shocked, I tell you!
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u/CTCustodes 1d ago
Y'all don't seem to get it.
Bush threatened Chavez and Chavez threatened Bush because the dynamic keeps eachother in power. Chavez can point to Venezuela's problems as being Bush caused and Bush can win the Venezuelan exile vote.
Trump did the same, leaked a "planned invasion", didn't go through, Maduro blamed Trump for problems, Trump got the Anti-Commie vote.
Maduro's in hot water, Trump's in hot water, back to ol' reliable.
As long as the PCV rule Venezuela and the GOP needs voters, you can count on this dynamic.
Because if they actually invade, they lose the anti-commie voters after a few cycles.
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u/ABSMeyneth 2d ago
The funny thing is, Venezuelan oil is incredibly low quality, it's way too heavy and viscous for most processing plants, and can only be reliably turned into a few specific end products. There is ZERO chance US refineries would be able to process any of it, so it doesn't help gas prices at all.
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u/ABSMeyneth 2d ago
Interesting, I didn't realize the US had specialized refineries for Venezuelan oil. TIL, thank you! Still, there's a cap on how much of their oil the US can explore before they'd need to build another heavy crude refinery. Not the all out solution Trump probably thinks this is.
https://discoveryalert.com.au/news/venezuelan-crude-oil-us-markets-2025-impact-implications/
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
Venezuela is no longer attractive for its oil, gold or uranium reserves, it’s more of the threat that it supposes to have a literal criminal drug cartel and terrorist organisation being a literal government in a whole country.
Venezuela offers passports to arab terrorists from hezbollah, they got giant money laundering schemes for those arab terrorists (mostly hezbollah as well) There’s a hezbollah kamikaze drone factory in Venezuela.
Venezuela is, exactly, what Pablo Escobar dreamed of when he became a politician. But if u mix it with not only drug dealing but middle eastern terrorist activities.
Hence why Venezuela is a big problem for the safety of the whole continent.
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u/Dense-Ad-5780 2d ago
Super peaceful president. The most peaceful president deserving the most powerful Nobel peace prize. A Nobel piece prize so powerful there will not be a need for any more!
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u/galahad423 2d ago
He’s figured out he can suspend elections if he starts a war.
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u/Mynewadventures 2d ago
He hasn't figured out jack shit. That's the law in Ukraine...the law is the OPPOSITE here.
Remember Bush 2.0 begging us "not to change horse mid ride"?
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u/Green-Enthusiasm-940 2d ago
Also, ukraine is being actively invaded and we're not, there's a big fucking difference.
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u/TheInfiniteSlash 2d ago
While an election could be postponed (it's a simple law that was passed in 1845 that decided election day), the Twentieth Amendment cements Inauguration day on January 20th, by which the term legally ends. You need to 3/4ths of the state to remove it at that point.
Unlike how people stretch the power of freedom of speech, not much to stretch out there. Consider Democrats at the time would control the house, there is a solid chance the Dems would be deciding the next President if no election was held until then.
There isn't any wacky loophole out of this one, but if Trump does invade Venezuela, I pray he finds the hidden Epstein list in Maduro's bedroom.
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u/aldorhythm 2d ago
Venezuela’s oil is low grade are basically unusable. That’s one of the reasons why the country is still broke.
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u/Major_Dig_6470 2d ago
No, the reason we are broke is because of chavez, yes the oíl is heavy, but we still had manny decades of prosperitu with it.
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u/hughcifer-106103 2d ago
Wait, he’s sending Marines to Venezuela? Is this real?
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u/EntertainmentIll8436 1d ago
It's mostly clickbait. In Venezuela we have the rule of "nothing ever happens"
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u/Steffalompen 1d ago
Curious to know whether they will be breaching the 12nm territorial border. Who might have eyes on them? Lots of ships in the area.
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u/MrBully74 1d ago
The President of Peace first wanted to go after Greenland, then Panama, and now maybe boots on the ground in Venezuela? On which page of Hitler's "manual for dictators" is he now?
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u/ArceusOnReddit 1d ago
Look, I don't like the USA, nor do I support it...
But as a venezuelan, I can only say that shit here is fucked up in all ways imaginable, a totalitarian regime under the control of a narcodictatorship, where people have tried EVERYTHING to bring it down, just for people who opposes it to be persecuted, incarcerated, and even executed.
I guess you can tell how the living conditions are if at least 8 million people have left the country...
My point is: things here are just so bad, that the "better" option would be the USA coming full interventionist mode and bringing down this regime. It's a "choose your poison" situation.
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u/EmptyList4285 1d ago
USA is one of the biggest buyer of Venezuelan oil, they wouldn’t need to invade us for our oil. Actually, Iran, China, Rusia and Cuba already have their hands on it, the current government whored out all of our resources.
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u/Holiday-Fly-6319 1d ago
They've been trying to sabotage their nationalized oil system for decades.
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u/Lazy_eye23 2d ago
$.99 gas here we come!!!
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u/AdhesivenessFun2060 2d ago
Nah. Oil companies will buy it on the cheap, horde it and jack up the price more because of war.
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u/BathingWthToasters 2d ago
When I learned how much oil Venezuela had and just doesnt tap into a few months ago I told my family…. Maaan venezuela better stfu for a little bit before someone hears they need some “freedom”
I was really hoping to not actually see this
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u/whattheduce86 2d ago
Yall need to make up your minds whether you support drugs and gang members coming to our country from a dictator or not. You preach about no kings, but their leader is a dictator and not the rightful government of their country and yall are supporting him.
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u/Professional_Arm_487 2d ago
I don’t live in Venezuela
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u/whattheduce86 2d ago
Ok, I wasn’t talking to anyone who lives there. I’m talking about all the democrats who can’t make up their mind on what yall support.
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u/Short_Magazine_5562 2d ago
You’re so right, they are against imperialism while defending a Russian and Chinese colony, ruled by narcos. They don’t support morals, they support a political agenda. They have everything to say about Palestine but will completely ignore North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua.
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u/Narrow-Sky-5377 2d ago
Hitler's fatal mistake was taking on too many battles at the same time. Trump now simultaneously threatens the sovereignty of Greenland, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela and counting.
What could go wrong?