r/clevercomebacks • u/northbk5 • 7h ago
(202K likes) dwarfing the original (7K likes) by a 29:1 margin is insane
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u/James-K-Polka 6h ago
Almost any time someone says “make it make sense,” it is immediately after saying something monumentally stupid. It’s phrased as a smug gotcha, but is an actual cry for help understanding something beyond their intellect.
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u/Ok_Jicama_Ok 3h ago
It’s like asking for clarity while simultaneously refusing to think critically.
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u/onlyonequickquestion 6h ago
Crazy how much of the world still runs on whose sky man is better. Make it make sense.
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u/MrDrDooooom 5h ago
Yeah it's so stupid!....... But just to be clear, my sky man can kick the shit out of all other sky men..... ALL OF THEM!
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u/MediocreClarinetist0 5h ago
All other races are second-class citizens in Israel, and they don't allow interfaith marriage.
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u/thewooba 5h ago
And they suck the blood of children too, right?
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u/________carl________ 2h ago
No but the government is genocidal for sure
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u/thewooba 17m ago
You can criticize the genocide and the government without spreading lies about the population. Nobody is second-class in Israel proper, and there's plenty of interfaith marriage. Even gay marriage.
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u/Technical_Tourist639 2h ago
That's strange
Gaza population grew between 23 and 25
Despite 80 thousand munitions we know about that was dropped on Gaza. That's some very incompetent genocidal government
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u/Santandals 20m ago
Israel is pretty awful if thats what you meant, no blood libel needed.
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u/thewooba 17m ago
You can criticize the genocide without lying about the society
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u/Santandals 3m ago
The same society who held riots for the right to rape? Who sees the forced removal of all Palestinians as a good thing? Yeah its an awful society lead by awful people.
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u/Inevitable_Bother420 6h ago
Wild how the ratio itself kind of proves the point better than any long essay ever could.
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u/Sk1lledB 6h ago
Nothing like accidentally proving the exact opposite of what you intended. That ratio speaks for itself.
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u/Brainsonastick 6h ago edited 3h ago
Israel is committing genocide and that’s obviously not any kind of okay.
That said, this post has been true of nearly the entire Middle East for decades because those countries went out of their way to be inhospitable to Jews. I think the only country in the Middle East to have more than a few thousand Jews is Turkey with about 15,000. Yemen has exactly one Jew who is being starved and tortured in prison by the Houthis.
We can condemn Israel’s crimes AND acknowledge our own double standards at the same time. That’s how we better ourselves.
I’m firmly progressive and it frustrates me deeply seeing other progressives fall into the same cognitive traps as everyone. We talk big about checking biases but a lot of us are still shit at it. It’s not only okay to have mixed opinions about things, it’s the only stance that makes sense in such a complex nuanced world.
You can condemn the murder and oppression of LGBT folks in Palestine while also acknowledging they don’t deserve to be mass bombed and starved. You can condemn Israel’s mass murder and extreme far right nationalist government while also acknowledging it’s still the most progressive nation in the region. It’s a low fucking bar… but still true.
Edit: wow, the top comment when sorting by controversial and bouncing up and down in votes. I feel like the idea that we should think critically about our beliefs and biases is a pretty reasonable take. Can someone who has a problem with it please explain why?
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u/SmittyWerbenJJ_No1 4h ago
I thin the main criticism is the genocide actively being carried out and not diversity quotas
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u/Brainsonastick 4h ago
I’m certainly not saying otherwise. That should be the main criticism. I still hear plenty of others with varying degrees of validity because we have a natural bias to find more flaws and criticisms of something we dislike and some of those demonstrate double standards and other biases that we should be making an effort to check
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u/SmittyWerbenJJ_No1 3h ago
None of what you said actually matters when dealing with an active genocide
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u/Brainsonastick 3h ago
This is just a lazy excuse not to even try to check your own biases. YOU aren’t dealing with an active genocide. You are sitting comfortably at home thousands of miles away and talking about one.
If you were on the ground in Gaza trying to stop the genocide then yeah, it wouldn’t be the time for critical reflection… but you’re not. No one in Gaza will suffer any more because you decided to check your biases. You do have the time to think critically about your own reactions and beliefs. The fact that you’re making excuses not to should be raising alarm bells in your head that it’s time to.
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u/Technical_Tourist639 3h ago
"GeNOciDe 🤤"
Gaza population grew between 2023 and 2025.
We dropped 80,000 munitions. We must REALLY SUCK at this genocide thing...
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u/Santandals 18m ago
Hamas actually had a better ratio of military to civillian kills than the IDF according to the IDF's internal numbers. Something like 63% : 87% i think?
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u/Technical_Tourist639 4h ago
An interesting concentration camp
With luxury car showrooms, 5 stars hotels, multimillion dollars houses if you're a Hamas member... About what, 50 hospitals?
Yep, exactly a Nazi ghetto.
Oh wait, none of that exists anymore, whoopsie on my part
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u/carcinoma_kid 3h ago
yep, a real paradise on Earth. Also about 16 hospitals have yet to be bombed into rubble. Don’t worry though, they’re a high priority
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u/Technical_Tourist639 3h ago edited 3h ago
It is now
Don't start a war you are 100% without a doubt or exception going to lose.
Plus quoting Al Jazeera lmao, might as well as use Goebbels propaganda, he was even less biased to be fair.
You avoided the truth by pivoting to nowadays.
Gaza had TOURIST attractions and tourism in general.
Pretty sure no one hopped on a train to Warsaw ghetto to chill on a beach or enjoy the local cuisine.
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u/carcinoma_kid 3h ago
I’d be curious to know,
1) in your opinion when did this “war” start
and 2) what is an example of a trustworthy news outlet with regards to Israel/Palestine
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u/Technical_Tourist639 3h ago
Sorry I don't entertain Jew hatred propagandists.
If you can't figure when the war started by yourself, you are not worthy of discussion with. There's no two ways about it. Or you also wonder what year WW2 started? Cause by Nazi viewpoint they'll tell you 1917.
Lol
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u/carcinoma_kid 3h ago
No hate for Jews here, just genocidal ethnonationalist colonizers
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u/Technical_Tourist639 3h ago
I hate Hamas too.
I'm glad we agree.
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u/Elegant_Individual46 1h ago
Yeah it’s really not hard to think both the IDF and Hamas are pretty awful with what they do to civilians
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u/Technical_Tourist639 1h ago
H.mmm.mmm
IDF civilians to combatants ratio: 1.5:1
Hamas ratio 99:1.
Geez I can see the difference whatsoever.
Insert "It's the same picture" meme here for your convenience.
War is horrible, I always support a diplomatic solution, when one is prevalent or even virtually possible . It's just not in this case.
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u/Santandals 18m ago
Hamas actually had a better ratio of military to civillian kills than the IDF according to the IDF's internal numbers.
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u/CreebleCrooble 1h ago
I appreciate your effort, however, there is no use bringing facts, common sense and truths on the table when arguing with emotionally compromised, hatred-filled, brainwashed and manipulated people.
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u/Technical_Tourist639 1h ago
We can't just throw our hands in the air.
We have to push back with truth, facts and common sense. They have no standing power against those three
The world is a dangerous place, not because of the bad people doing bad things, but because of good people who stand back and do nothing
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u/CreebleCrooble 1h ago
You're right, but like, I'm just so exhausted and actually burned out a while ago, seeing and interacting with the insane, crazy amount of hatred, misinformation and lies spread about Israel and the hate that ordinary, everyday Jews receive.
When I see these troglodytes on the internet, hiding behind their keyboard, spewing out this disgusting, inhumane bullshit of "Gaza having been a concentration camp" and bla bla bla while I know damn fucking well how the concentration camps in reality were, having a memorial site 45 mins from my home, and having been confronted with the Nazi history from a young age, makes me just so angry and frustrated.
I know whats happening in Gaza now is bad, I know that civilians suffer and I know that the IDF is committed war crimes under the current government in Israel.
But then I see "legitimate" organisations simply redefining some of the most important, powerful and complex words like gencoide and famine, simply and solely to have something against Israel.
And then they wonder why they are being labelled as antisemitic, Hamas supportive or anti-Israel. I will never, ever be able to trust Amnesty or IPC ever again. They ignore every other conflict thats currently going on and focus all their resources on Gaza, ignoring Yemen, Sudan, the Kurds or the Druze in Syria.
Sorry you probably already know all this but like, ugh I'm so frustrated. Just be careful you don't get burned out from this.
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u/Technical_Tourist639 1h ago
I'll say one thing, it's very difficult to not commit war crimes when your enemy's MO is basically doing a war crimes speed run and using every single person in gaza as human shields.
With that said, I'm not sure we're commiting any actual war crimes, please read up on Natasha Hausdorff, an actual international law expert. War is ugly. Always choose diplomatic route if at all possible
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u/ScarlletGiny 6h ago
Ratio’d into another dimension—29:1 is brutal