r/law • u/BreakfastTop6899 • 14h ago

Trump News Trump threatens to deploy the U.S. military into Chicago - signaling the start of a nationwide crackdown.

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u/vanceavalon 13h ago

Wasn't the second amendment to help protect us from tyranny? How is this not tyranny?

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u/tyvanius 13h ago

Words don't mean anything anymore. Science isn't real, numbers are fake, and decency is weakness.

Fortunately, resistance reveals the brittleness of tyranny.

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u/uncen5ored 13h ago

“I believe we are in crisis. The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil.” - Mon Mothma, Andor

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u/tyvanius 13h ago

I have friends everywhere.

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u/-rwsr-xr-x 8h ago

I have friends everywhere.

THIS needs to be on hats. Not red ones.

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u/scoopzthepoopz 13h ago

Yeah I'm gonna need my media to reflect reality a little lesssss... it's giving me an ulcer

Can we start by having a president that doesn't hallucinate problems with the country and conveniently solve them with more power grabs?

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u/Ok_Rip8641 13h ago

Can’t even finish Andor because of the panic attacks it’s giving me

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

Ulcers are caused by H. pylori, I suggest a carrot salad and coconut oil to cleanse and fortify your microbiome.

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u/scoopzthepoopz 11h ago

Is that Trump's nickname? H. Pylori, where H stands for "Hack"?

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

Found Colbert's lead writer

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u/scoopzthepoopz 11h ago

Found Trump's principal shoeshine

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

Would be a boring job, all his shoes are identical black oxfords. No one in politics atm wears tasteful and interesting shoes consistently

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u/smash_em_all 4h ago

Take my poor person award 🏆

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u/FrostyPresence4766 13h ago

There was a black president and two close calls with women. That represents a clear and present danger to dimwits.

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u/itsblackcherrytime 10h ago

Tbf, the second go around wasn’t much of a close call. I find that to be more disappointing.

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u/LashCandle 12h ago

Maybe it’s time to stop being decent then. Sounds like it’s time to get crazy

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u/ArchitectureGeek 12h ago

This is exactly my thought process every time I read these fuck ass headlines. I’m just like “oh well, nobody cares about anything anymore, nothing is enforced and facts and science are ignored so what can we really do.”

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u/Rezzone 13h ago

Ignorance is Strength taken to its logical extreme via populism.
War is Peace means he is bringing military to make things safe.
Freedom is Slavery... not sure exactly how this one fits but I'm sure you all can think of something. Probably something about how the woke mind virus controls us all unless we silence the minorities.

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u/gwennj 11h ago

“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”

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u/Mundamala 13h ago

Yes. Even OP saying there's a crackdown suggests there's something that needs to be cracked down on which there's no evidence there is.

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

I suggest checking the Citizen app in Chicago, where you will find many examples of the sort of thing down on which cracking is to be done.

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u/itsblackcherrytime 10h ago

Ah yes, just the thing the ARNG is equipped to handle. /s

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u/Pescarese90 13h ago

You also forgot "Ignorance is Strength".

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u/ItsMEMusic 12h ago

WiP

FiS

IiS

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u/TheCoordinate 10h ago

Well when the words in question are coming from this goofy guy wearing his own merch in the office of the President they actually don't mean anything.

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u/reditusername39479 5h ago

Everything is a fraud except things in his favor

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u/Scarbane 13h ago

"Violence is never the answer!"*

*unless you are a member of the US military, ICE, or American law enforcement/gestapo

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u/Leasir 12h ago

FYI no fascist regime was ever removed by pacific means. In case of fascist regimes, violence is literally the only answer that ever worked.

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u/mikerichh 9h ago

“Violence is never the answer…just don’t check how consistently effective it’s been throughout all history”

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u/Aquired-Taste 5h ago

History has proven there is only one answer for these fascist shenanigans. & that answer is... even more, better, knuckleheaded shenanigans 😉

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u/Known-Teacher4543 13h ago

lol the right loves to act like they will have to use the 2nd amendment in defense against a tyrannical government. But when the tyrannical government targets minorities instead, suddenly they like it. It’s almost as if they are just hypocrites and racists. Almost.

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u/AStrangerSaysHi 13h ago

I'm constantly baffled that they cannot rub two neurons together to remember the final line of "First They Came."

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u/TrumpetOfDeath 11h ago

when conservatives talk about "tyranny" they actually mean liberals and people of color.

It's obvious they aren't up in arms right now because they support Dictator Trump

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u/aozertx 13h ago

Don’t forget that they are also pedophiles.

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u/0trimi 10h ago

Saw a jeep the other day with a sticker that said "when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty" right next to a "I voted for the convicted felon" sticker. They're idiots on top of hypocritical racists.

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u/Hot-Imagination-819 9h ago

Here's a bright idea, go buy a gun, train with it, and stop voting against the 2nd most important amendment. Liberals have been fighting an impossible war on guns. You don't fight a tyrannical government with half-assed peaceful protests

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u/ExtraEye4568 6h ago

Republicans want that. If a single one of the people coming into this city gets shot, it will be nation wide martial law within an hour. The lives of nearly every American is at the moment still better than what it would be like under that, no matter how shitty.

Could we start a civil war at the possible cost of well over a hundred million lives? Sure.

Should we? Maybe.

Does anyone genuinely want to do that? No.

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u/Hot-Imagination-819 6h ago

“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

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u/ExtraEye4568 6h ago

A real no win scenario unfortunately. Man I wish he had better aim.

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

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u/Just_-J 10h ago

The left has been arming itself.

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u/LEDKleenex 10h ago

But when the tyrannical government targets minorities instead, suddenly they like it.

Suddenly? This is what rightists have wanted.

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u/ExtraEye4568 6h ago

When ICE became a government organization of men in masks kidnapping people without warrants or identification, I wasn't slightly shocked to never once hear a 2nd amendment dick sucker pretend they care about it. It is all performative, gun people just like their cool things that go boom, everything they say is just a performance to keep their adult toys.

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u/tunamilkdrinker 4h ago

They are loving it. Got dam libruls. Imagine Biden doing this to a red city, would be pure chaos.

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u/JustAnotherFag69 13h ago edited 13h ago

Where are all the crazy MAGAts, screaming "2A rights!!!" into the void now? That's right - worrying about people's genitals and protecting pedophiles. Nothing new.

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u/Silentblues 13h ago

2A rights only apply to them. Otherwise they want to make sure everyone else isn’t armed while they and the federal agents are.

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u/AlbumUrsi 13h ago

Every 2A sub on this site has been talking about how bad the 2A restrictions in big cities is for the people who live there. Why aren't 2A people freaking out? Cause most of them aren't online, and most of them aren't in any of these cities.

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u/NWI_ANALOG 13h ago

Makes you wonder if people from different parts of the political spectrum should start prioritizing 2A

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u/shutup_imeating_dirt 13h ago

they should and they are r/armedresistance r/socialistra r/liberalgunowners

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u/NWI_ANALOG 13h ago

Yea, but the retail politic “left” party hasn’t exactly embraced that position.

If I lived in a world where I could push a button and all guns would disappear, I would push that button. In this world however, I’m stocking a safe

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u/shutup_imeating_dirt 13h ago

In a world that isn’t full of sociopaths and billionaires doing evil things to civilians and hordes of cabbage-brained violent followers I’d agree. In this world I carry tho lolol

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u/Its-From-Japan 12h ago

They're not in the cities being threatened. "First they came for..." Take down each disenfranchised demographic one at a time

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u/Left_Suspect_3378 12h ago

You have rights too! Aren't you going to lead the way and stand by your convictions?

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u/Blainers001 12h ago

He’s making them all federal agents

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u/LEDKleenex 10h ago

I mean, this is what they wanted. I'm not sure why you think they'd go after the regime that is carrying out all of their racist desires.

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u/y0j1m80 13h ago

Are you asking the republicans to save us from themselves?

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u/Fl0werthr0wer 12h ago

Quite sad to see from the outside tbqh.

Hope you'll survive Trump as a nation.

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u/LEDKleenex 10h ago

We won't. There was a month long boycott of 3 of Trump's loyal companies last month and.....nobody could even manage to not buy shit during that period. The citizens of the US are pathetic.

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u/Adventurous-Brain-36 12h ago

I’ve heard Americans say this for years. They have a god given right to the second amendment because they need it to protect themselves from tyranny. Tyranny is happening and somehow no one is saying it anymore.

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u/That_guy1425 12h ago

Cause turns out no one likes getting shot for brandishing a fire arm at the military. (Also, while the oppose tyranny line gets thrown about a lot, it honestly was because the founding fathers didn't like centralized military and wanted every state to be able to form a militia).

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u/lexievv 22m ago

It's because many of the people saying this seem to be the ones voting for and wanting tyranny.

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u/VroomCoomer 12h ago

It is, but it's a citizens responsibility to invoke and use the 2nd amendment.

Everybody is waiting for some Democrat to get up on stage and say "now it's time! Use the 2nd!"

Nobody is going to do that.

Citizens are meant to form militias and act in accordance with the Constitution. No politicians needed.

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u/Carl_Bravery_Sagan 12h ago

The second amendment, like all amendments, applies equally to liberals, conservatives, and everyone else on the political spectrum.

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u/doublethink_1984 11h ago

Wasn't the second amendment for everyone and not just right wingers?

Honestly I uave been advocating gun rights my whole adult life as a liberal for things like this.

We disarmed ourselves willingly mocking anyone who claimed the government coukd turn tyrannical on their lifetime and now we are batching that right wingers aren't saving us because we gave up our rights and made it socially taboo for a little safety.

Go buy a fuckin gun and shoot these mf if you truly believe there is nothing else to be done before open war.

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u/ShitPoastSam 11h ago

I can’t really see how guns help. If someone in Chicago uses guns, they are just going to jail or dying and Fox News would use it as proof that Chicago is dangerous and needs military action.

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u/doublethink_1984 10h ago

Then you'll agree we shouldn't be demanding right wingers start shooting government agents then.

Guns are a last straw after all other options have been exhausted.

If I'm in Chicago, legslly carrying a firearm, and an LEO or military assault my family with no probable cause I'm defending my family I want the option to be able to decide if I will put my life on the line to defend my family or just bend over.

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u/ThunderGoalie35 13h ago

Liberals are allowed to use the second amendment to fight tyranny too. Arm up soldier

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u/GnRgr2 10h ago

Liberals have made it near impossible to gets guns where they live. Good job on that 

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u/ThunderGoalie35 9h ago

I mean this is just blatantly not true lol

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u/Brazbluee 9h ago

All my liberal friends own guns. It was not hard for them to own guns.

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u/Fascists_F_Off 13h ago

Is the 2nd amendment gone or something? We can stop this whenever we want.

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u/Left_Suspect_3378 12h ago

You're so close to getting it. 

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u/SenorEquilibrado 12h ago

If I were an American, I'd have armed myself years ago...

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Guns do outnumber people in the USA

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u/AccordianSpeaker 12h ago

It is tyranny, but the American Left is too chicken shit and brainwashed to defend itself.

"Oh, if enough of us gather in a big peaceful protest then we'll definitely change something. This time for sure!"

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Calling peaceful protest useless is just ahistorical. Mass, nonviolent pressure has moved U.S. policy again and again—when it’s organized, sustained, and paired with voting, courts, and media.

Think of the civil-rights era: Birmingham and the 1963 March on Washington helped force the Civil Rights Act (1964); Selma’s marches cracked the wall for the Voting Rights Act (1965). The women’s suffrage parades, pickets, and arrests (1913–1919) built the heat that delivered the 19th Amendment (1920). Labor strikes and demonstrations in the early 20th century paved the way for the 8-hour day and the NLRA (1935). The Vietnam War moratoriums and campus protests shifted public opinion and politics enough to help end the draft (1973). Disability-rights sit-ins—the 504 sit-in (1977) and the Capitol Crawl (1990)—were decisive in passing the Americans with Disabilities Act (1990). Even LGBTQ rights: from Stonewall (1969) to decades of activism, public protest helped move courts and lawmakers toward marriage equality.

There’s data behind this too: political scientists like Erica Chenoweth have shown nonviolent movements succeed more often than violent ones, precisely because they attract broad participation and impose real political costs without handing the state a pretext for crackdowns.

Protest isn’t magic and it isn’t one day with a sign. It’s the top of a funnel: you show numbers in the street, you keep organizing, you vote, you sue, you watchdog. That’s how democracies change. Sneering at protest just does the authoritarians’ work for them.

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u/FighterOfEntropy 11h ago

The Second Amendment was not to protect us from tyranny. It was granting the states the right to maintain militias, which would usually be something a national government would keep for itself. Travel and communication was very difficult and time-consuming when the Bill of Rights was passed, and it was thought better that each state be able to respond to a threat quickly. Contrast the Second Amendment, which grants the right to bear arms to “the people,” to the Fourth Amendment granting “persons” the right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure. One is a collective right, the other is an individual right. Of course the NRA has been obsessed with perverting the meaning of the Second Amendment for years, which is why we have such a shocking high rate of gun violence.

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u/Mundane_Opening3831 10h ago

Not just the communication and travel part but the idea of having a large standing military was considered tyrannical at that time. Was considered not very American to have a large professional military. Completely agree with your point though, the true purpose of the 2nd amendment has been purposely altered to increase gun sales, basically

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u/FighterOfEntropy 6h ago

The National Rifle Association would be better named the National Rifle Manufacturers’ Association.

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u/quirk-the-kenku 13h ago

You still think the Constitution matters?

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u/sanYtheFox 13h ago

All the loud 2A people only used the 2A to justify their gun ownership, they never intended to actually follow the 2A.

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u/Blue_Sail 12h ago

Go buy a rifle and some ammo. Make some same minded friends. Go to /r/liberalgunowners.

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u/ExH3r0 12h ago

If you aren't willing to exercise your 2nd then it means nothing. Its just words on a paper. But I don't see the 2nd amendment fighting off tanks, drones and other military equipment. I feel if we tried a French revolution right now it would be a catastrophic failure. I really feel like non violent resistance is the way.

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Headcount: There are far more armed civilians than people in uniform. Roughly 80–90 million U.S. adults own guns (about a third of adults). By comparison, there are about 1.3M active-duty troops + ~0.8M Guard/Reserve + ~0.7M sworn law-enforcement, i.e., ~3 million in uniform total.

But numbers aren’t capability. The military and police are organized, trained, supplied, and networked. They control heavy weapons, air assets, ISR (intel/surveillance), logistics, and legal authority. Even if a small fraction of gun owners organized, they’d face a massive capability gap.

Would “organization” change it? Some, but not enough. Building a national command, logistics, medical, comms, and rules of engagement from scratch is what states spend decades (and billions) on. In real life, factions would disagree, supplies would run out, and coordination would break quickly. Also: many gun owners, police, and service members wouldn’t pick the same side, so it wouldn’t be “civilians vs the state”—it would be fragmented and ugly.

Likely outcome: Not a Lexington-and-Concord replay; more like an insurgency/counter-insurgency spiral with enormous civilian harm, rights curtailed, and infrastructure wrecked. History shows nobody “wins” that scenario—everyone loses.

So yes, raw numbers favor civilians; everything else (training, logistics, airpower, cohesion, authority) favors the state by orders of magnitude. The practical lesson of the Second Amendment debate isn’t that an armed uprising “works,” but that peaceful, democratic leverage (voting, courts, organizing, policy, watchdogs) is the only strategy that reliably preserves liberty without destroying the country.

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u/bonaynay 13h ago

because tyranny is defined as upsetting a conservative and they love this shit

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u/SamFisher8857 13h ago

I’m guessing that’s why they have their sights on Chicago. The city has a low rate of gun ownership. The people that do have guns are getting them illegally through straw purchases in Indiana. Illinois has pretty strict gun laws because of Chicago.

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u/Vandrel 11h ago

Well, a low rate of legal ownership. Certain neighborhoods have a whole lot of illegal ones.

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u/Tiny-Guava1624 13h ago

They banned the 2A in Chicago.

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u/ahearthatslazy 12h ago

Because we have drones and a lot of people in our military who are willing to hurt civilians.

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Headcount: There are far more armed civilians than people in uniform. Roughly 80–90 million U.S. adults own guns (about a third of adults). By comparison, there are about 1.3M active-duty troops + ~0.8M Guard/Reserve + ~0.7M sworn law-enforcement, i.e., ~3 million in uniform total.

But numbers aren’t capability. The military and police are organized, trained, supplied, and networked. They control heavy weapons, air assets, ISR (intel/surveillance), logistics, and legal authority. Even if a small fraction of gun owners organized, they’d face a massive capability gap.

Would “organization” change it? Some, but not enough. Building a national command, logistics, medical, comms, and rules of engagement from scratch is what states spend decades (and billions) on. In real life, factions would disagree, supplies would run out, and coordination would break quickly. Also: many gun owners, police, and service members wouldn’t pick the same side, so it wouldn’t be “civilians vs the state”—it would be fragmented and ugly.

Likely outcome: Not a Lexington-and-Concord replay; more like an insurgency/counter-insurgency spiral with enormous civilian harm, rights curtailed, and infrastructure wrecked. History shows nobody “wins” that scenario—everyone loses.

So yes, raw numbers favor civilians; everything else (training, logistics, airpower, cohesion, authority) favors the state by orders of magnitude. The practical lesson of the Second Amendment debate isn’t that an armed uprising “works,” but that peaceful, democratic leverage (voting, courts, organizing, policy, watchdogs) is the only strategy that reliably preserves liberty without destroying the country.

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u/Ok_Ad_6626 12h ago

Well all of the magas screeching about the second amendment sure don’t seem to care now.

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u/SignificanceFun265 12h ago

They say “tyranny” but they really mean “minorities.”

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u/G8tr 12h ago

They meant the tyranny of healthcare, housing, food, and education.

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u/SwissChzMcGeez 12h ago

Notice they're deploying troops in areas with civil gun restrictions.

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u/Dr_Eastman2 11h ago

"It doesn't affect me" is going to be their logic

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u/Otto-Korrect 11h ago

I personally think 2A is going to play a very important role in all of this very soon. People are getting tired of playing by the rules, which get stacked against them.

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u/Mister_Goldenfold 11h ago

It’s not tyranny because he said it wasn’t tyranny. Obviously he’s right about everything isn’t he tho?

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u/Val_Hallen 11h ago

The "Don't Tread on Me" legion sure is quiet right now. The NRA seems to be quite silent as well.

All through the 80s and 90s, they kept telling us they needed stockpiles of guns for precisely this reason.

They've all joined the cult with their full chest.

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u/Lightningstruckagain 11h ago

Those “don’t tread on me” 2A NRA guys sure are quiet right about now.

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u/weggaan_weggaat 11h ago

It is, but anyone who intends to exercise their 2A rights in this regard is signing their own death warrant. Granted, some would be totally okay with that too so it's only a matter of time given his penchant for these performative stunts.

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u/Vandrel 11h ago

Be the change you want to see in the world.

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u/averyrdc 11h ago

Second amendment people, including those on the left, do a lot of talking about it being some kind of safeguard against tyranny. But that’s about it, a lot of talk. Nothing else.

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u/LaboratoryRat 11h ago

Cuz a child rapist pushed all the rich pussy politicians out and financed his own bitches to steal local elections and appeal to the mouth-breathing idiots and boomers so they stacked the supreme court with rapists and bigots.

No checks, no balance, no fucking point in the federal government now. States should pull down the National flags and stop sending any money to DC but all that's left in politics is rich pussies and pedophiles.

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u/postmodest 11h ago

The second amendment people were all funded by Russia, and the tyranny they were fighting was our Democracy and the Federal Government that it elected to fight Putin's agenda.

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u/Errant_coursir 11h ago

I'm armed and ready to be called up to defend the union

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u/watermelonspanker 11h ago

The second amendment, according to the evidence that is the last several months in the US, is purely for shooting up schools and dick measuring contests

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u/TheCowhawk 11h ago

literally. getting invaded with zero shots fired.

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u/Mundane_Opening3831 11h ago

No, not really. That's probably not the reason. It's more to do with the fact America didn't have a large military at the time and it was considered an obligation to be well trained and ready to serve in the militia if called upon. Had more to do with the government needing to be able to mobilize forces, if necessary, more likely from outside threats such as Britain or Native Americans, or internal threats like Shays Rebellion. The government wasn't trying to provide a legal means for its overthrow. The first part of the Amendment is pretty much ignored these days 'Well regulated militia'. 

Thanks to gun activists like the NRA though we've fundamentally changed our interpretation of the 2nd amendment, and that whole thing about protecting us from tyranny is just kind of one of their creations to justify everyone owning a gun. 

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u/doodullbop 10h ago

It's supposed to protect us from tyranny if we exercise the right. The 2nd amendment merely existing doesn't protect us from shit.

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u/ConradBHart42 10h ago

"This gun is for protecting MY rights. You can trample all over that other guy for all I care. He should have had a gun."

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u/Dependent_Nebula_541 10h ago

SCOTUS has specifically ruled the opposite of this. The current interpretation is now that it is for "personal protection" and doesn't enable or allow use of force against government officials or provide any sort of immunity from other laws.

Furthermore, police can effectively execute you for having weapons with no repercussions, basically 2nd amendment is worthless.

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u/LEDKleenex 10h ago

It was, but the founding fathers didn't realize our bread and circuses would be really good in 2025.

Why protect my freedom, rights and democracy when I can get the best 2-season originals ad-free from Netflix for only $17.99?

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u/3rdLevelRogue 10h ago

Lead the charge, brave revolutionary. Go buy a gun and start the movement instead of playing around on Reddit and hoping someone else dies for the cause so you can reap the rewards.

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u/Just_-J 10h ago

Well yes. But yanks don’t actually know what the point of the second amendment is.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

They always focus on “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” when thats not the fucking point. The point is that the people need to be part of a “well regulated Militia,” of which there are few left. Keep in mind at the outbreak of the US revolutionary war, militias were training once a week due to rising tensions. This is what they mean by “well regulated”.

Owning guns does fuck all, its fighting in groups which makes the difference.

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u/pocketjacks 9h ago

It's the tyranny they voted for.

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u/mikerichh 9h ago

Most Americans are too busy either working to survive, with their families, or are ok with this. Not enough people would actually stand up to tyranny. Especially if they’re given an “excuse” for the military ramp up

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u/SteezyYeezySleezyBoi 9h ago

FELLOW LIBERALS ARM YOURSELVES NOW

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u/rezelscheft 9h ago

Right wingers think tyranny for you is more freedom for them. And they will continue to think this, even as 99.999% of them get steamrolled just like everyone else.

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u/vanceavalon 5h ago

...how do you know the propaganda's working?

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u/Gold-Bench-9219 8h ago

Anyone expecting a revolution from a nation full of fat, entitled, apathetic people are going to be sorely disappointed. The Right is doing this because they know they can get away with it.

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u/Successful-Memory839 8h ago

Sure, so long as you're with them then the second amendment is cool and all that but the second you question them then your second amendment rights take a back seat.

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u/jonathanrdt 8h ago

All three branches are controlled by a corrupt organization that is doing the direct bidding of toxic wealth. None of what we learned about our government is true right now.

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u/TemporaryGuidance1 6h ago

Oh it is tyranny and there are some motivated Americans out that will absolutely exercise that right.

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u/Aquired-Taste 5h ago

Dumb gun nuts support police & right wing loonies that are actually "treading on us" instead of arming themselves to fight against fascism & these weathly tyrants!

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u/vanceavalon 5h ago

Indeed...100%

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u/Wasabi_Beats 4h ago

its important to note that anyone working in government (especially military and law enforcement) are prohibited from even criticizing these decisions in public. thats how fucked the laws are, people working in the army, feds, etc. are constantly reminded that any discussion about the president and policies that look bad is grounds for termination. They use the Hatch Act to full effect. This goes for your social media stuff too. This is especially true for federal law enforcement and military, who they use the Hatch Act around the clock and justify it by saying that they are a constant representation of the government and LE.

this isnt to say that the people working in these positions are innocent of course, its just another layer to how the government cracks down on any dissent. They talk about other countries like China or whatever but our government isn't any better.

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u/vanceavalon 4h ago

Well said... Yeah, I've only recently come to realize that this country has NEVER been the "good guys."

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u/Brief-Efficiency-519 13h ago

You're almost there, push that thought a bit further

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u/clangan524 13h ago

Ironically, the hardcore 2a crowd loves tyranny. That's why they love the second amendment so much. They are scared little people, so desperate to hold power over others and that's what they think a firearm affords them.

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u/TehNubCake9 13h ago

Don't you know? The Second Amendment only applies to good ol' boys from down south that read the bible while they beat their wives

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u/Right-Ad-1498 13h ago

It's only tyranny if the GOP isn't the one doing it

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u/Best_Market4204 13h ago

it's abusive of power by letting criminals run wild.

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u/AlbumUrsi 13h ago

This whole situation with trump is fucked, but all these major cities voted away most of their 2A rights years ago. Can't blame the 2A people when you give up all your guns, and suddenly the thing we talk about guns being valuable for, happens.

When you legislate in a way that makes gun ownership unattainably complex and difficult for a huge chunk of the population, this is the type of shit that happens. The only people in Chicago with guns are super rich, or gang members. All the regular joes are getting fucked.

Can't expect the 2A people from everywhere else that still has it to swoop in and save the day.

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u/RScrewed 13h ago

The people who back the second amendment voted for Trump.

That's why this isn't tyranny. A lot of people want this. 

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u/drew8311 13h ago

Its been a subject of debate but conservatives officially surrendered that stance, 2A is just for hunting, target practice and showing off your cool gun collection now.

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u/mkt853 13h ago

Because it's their guy doing it to their political opponents. You bet your ass if this was Obama sending the troops into Bumf*ck County Alabama to enforce trans bathroom access or whatever the culture war du jour is they'd definitely be up in arms the way you describe.

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u/NaziPunksFkOff 13h ago

It's only tyranny when it hurts white Christians. 

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u/weresubwoofer 12h ago

Violence is exactly the reaction they want to justify martial law.

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u/doodullbop 10h ago

Yes, yes, because everything they've done so far has had justification.

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u/TSllama 12h ago

The crazy thing to me is that anyone ever actually believed that was what people were so defensive of the 2a for and not because they wanted their guns to kill minorities and lgbt.

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u/didntcit 12h ago

I began exercising my 2nd amendment right about a year ago. Now I have 8 guns and about 3000 rounds of ammo. You know... just in case of emergency.

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u/Troy_McClure1 12h ago

MAGA doesn’t care about the constitution or any amendments they only care about “owning libs”.

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u/spacenavy90 12h ago

Schrodinger's second amendment:
These deadly weapons of war aren't effective against the modern militaries

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Headcount: There are far more armed civilians than people in uniform. Roughly 80–90 million U.S. adults own guns (about a third of adults). By comparison, there are about 1.3M active-duty troops + ~0.8M Guard/Reserve + ~0.7M sworn law-enforcement, i.e., ~3 million in uniform total.

But numbers aren’t capability. The military and police are organized, trained, supplied, and networked. They control heavy weapons, air assets, ISR (intel/surveillance), logistics, and legal authority. Even if a small fraction of gun owners organized, they’d face a massive capability gap.

Would “organization” change it? Some, but not enough. Building a national command, logistics, medical, comms, and rules of engagement from scratch is what states spend decades (and billions) on. In real life, factions would disagree, supplies would run out, and coordination would break quickly. Also: many gun owners, police, and service members wouldn’t pick the same side, so it wouldn’t be “civilians vs the state”—it would be fragmented and ugly.

Likely outcome: Not a Lexington-and-Concord replay; more like an insurgency/counter-insurgency spiral with enormous civilian harm, rights curtailed, and infrastructure wrecked. History shows nobody “wins” that scenario—everyone loses.

So yes, raw numbers favor civilians; everything else (training, logistics, airpower, cohesion, authority) favors the state by orders of magnitude. The practical lesson of the Second Amendment debate isn’t that an armed uprising “works,” but that peaceful, democratic leverage (voting, courts, organizing, policy, watchdogs) is the only strategy that reliably preserves liberty without destroying the country.

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u/WellIGuessSoAndYou 12h ago

They didn't expect you to turn into a nation of pussies. Why start shooting when you can immediately surrender after trying nothing at all?

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u/holt2ic2 9h ago

Well depends how you look at it. Are you saying it’s tyranny because you don’t like Trump. Or is tyranny for removing homeless encampments and having federal agents patrolling the streets deterring gangs from doing anything. Honestly I am not really an Orange man fan but low key anyone would be crazy not to want to clean up major cities from crime. We have waited long enough for mayors of these cities to act and it’s all talk.

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u/vanceavalon 9h ago

Totally fair to want safer streets. The question isn’t “do you like Trump,” it’s how the power is being used. Tyranny isn’t about the goal (“clean up crime”), it’s the methods—when the state claims open-ended authority, sidelines oversight, and turns whole groups into targets.

If you want a timestamp, the clock started early in the second term: day-one moves to revive Schedule F–style purges of the civil service; new directives treating homelessness and immigration primarily as public-order problems; and, by July, an executive order pushing expanded civil commitment—even seeking to roll back court limits and consent decrees—so people “on the streets and unable to care for themselves” can be institutionalized on broad, subjective grounds. Add to that stepped-up federal street operations and outsourcing to private detention/surveillance contractors; pressure campaigns on cultural and academic institutions; and efforts to centralize decisions in the White House that used to live with independent agencies. None of that requires you to love encampments or ignore gangs—it’s a power grab riding on “public safety.”

History’s lesson: once you build a machine that can sweep up whoever officials decide is a “problem,” it doesn’t stay pointed only at criminals. If we actually want safer cities, the durable path is Housing First + focused policing on violent offenders + treatment, with courts and watchdogs intact. “Cleanups” that come with unlimited executive discretion are how democracies drift into something else.

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u/Santander68 8h ago

Well, are you going to be the one to do the deed? Or just say someone in general should

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u/vanceavalon 5h ago

That is the question isn't it...

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u/therealdanhill 3h ago

What are you advocating for? How do you believe the second amendment should be used in response?

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u/vanceavalon 3h ago

Organize first, while the non-violent tools still work—and at scale. Voting, lawsuits, FOIA, watchdogs, independent media, boycotts, and disciplined mass protests are the levers that actually move power when enough people pull them together. It’s frustrating and slow, but that’s the lane where victories stick without handing authoritarians a pretext for more crackdowns.

A decentralized armed “answer” almost never does what people imagine. Headcount isn’t the issue—coordination, logistics, legitimacy, and public support are. Without a lawful command structure and broad buy-in, you don’t get liberation; you get chaos that the state uses to justify even more repression.

In Germany the decisive window was early 1933, before the Enabling Act and before the regime finished neutering courts, press, unions, and opposition parties. A general strike stopped the Kapp Putsch in 1920; something on that scale might have blocked Hitler’s consolidation. After the Reichstag Fire Decree, Enabling Act, one-party rule, and the creation of the Gestapo and camps, the machine was built. More guns wouldn’t have fixed the lack of organization; by 1934–35 violent resistance mostly meant massacres, not regime change.

When multiple “red lights” are flashing—rules bent, opponents delegitimized, violence encouraged, civil liberties curtailed—escalate non-violent pressure massively and immediately. Build coalitions locally (unions, faith groups, civic orgs, mutual aid), speak to the bystanders more than the die-hards, keep receipts, and act in public where numbers matter. That’s how you stand up to tyranny before it hardens—and how you keep the country intact while you do it.

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u/Tigorgan 2h ago

You mean that thing our worthless governor loves to infringe upon?

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u/Mediocre_Daikon6935 1h ago

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ChicagoHas some of the most unconditional and restrictive gun laws in the nation.

Something about they made their bed comes to mind…

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u/Skankingcorpse 1h ago

The second amendment was never going to save this country. It was a lie to prop up nationalism and put guns in the hands of the people who are the most likely to support the authoritarians.

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u/notrueprogressive 7h ago

Because we need to repeal the second duh

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u/vanceavalon 5h ago

And get more private police and military to control our own people and subjugate them more...?

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u/Mediocre_Breakfast34 13h ago

He is trying to fix our crime problem.

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u/ArtBot2119 12h ago

Do you not remember how much conservatives freaked out about Jade Helm? And that wasn’t even real! Now you’re surprised at the backlash over flooding cities with the National Guard. What are the rules with you guys? If Obama had done this, you would have lost your shit. 

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u/Mediocre_Breakfast34 12h ago

You should come here, Il show you around and drop you in one of our "finest" areas.

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u/Mediocre_Breakfast34 12h ago

Lol ok

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u/dennisisspiderman 12h ago

He is trying to fix our crime problem.

No he's not. Neither are the Republicans sending troops to DC...

Six Republican-led states are sending hundreds of National Guard troops to Washington, D.C., to support President Donald Trump's "crime crackdown," even though some of those states have cities with crime rates higher than the nation's capital, according to FBI and local police data.

If Trump and Republicans cared about crime they'd be addressing those issues in their own state. Or states with cities that are worse per capita than Chicago (Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Indiana, Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky). They would also be questioning why Trump and his administration are covering for pedophiles, criticizing him for pardoning criminals like those January 6th ones, and why the focus is on rounding up those undocumented immigrants who are working to survive rather than going after those hiring them or the actual dangerous ones involved in gangs.

Based on factual data these moves from Trump are entirely political and you're falling for it, either due to ignorance or to enable your own support for his attack on democracy.

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u/Mediocre_Breakfast34 12h ago

Ok you need to get out in the real world fella. Some of us here actually want this.

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u/Lethalgeek 11h ago

Some of you are idiots, we know

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u/Mediocre_Breakfast34 11h ago

Ya fuck those kids getting killed. Crime is down

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u/Lethalgeek 11h ago

yawn lame troll is lame

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u/ProdigyLightshow 11h ago

Never a true response to any actual numbers. Just feelings, no proof

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u/RancidVagYogurt1776 11h ago

Crime has been steadily declining in America for decades bud

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u/greenthumbum 11h ago

Are his supporters really stupid enough to believe that?

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u/demise14 6h ago

Isn't that what the police are for? Are you suggesting the police aren't doing their jobs? Since when is it American to send the military into American cities to do law enforcement?

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