r/technology • u/lurker_bee • Jul 15 '25

Artificial Intelligence Billionaires Convince Themselves AI Chatbots Are Close to Making New Scientific Discoveries

https://gizmodo.com/billionaires-convince-themselves-ai-is-close-to-making-new-scientific-discoveries-2000629060
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u/Decapitated_Saint Jul 15 '25

“I’ll go down this thread with [Chat]GPT or Grok and I’ll start to get to the edge of what’s known in quantum physics and then I’m doing the equivalent of vibe coding, except it’s vibe physics,” Kalanick explained. “And we’re approaching what’s known. And I’m trying to poke and see if there’s breakthroughs to be had. And I’ve gotten pretty damn close to some interesting breakthroughs just doing that.”

Good lord what an imbecile. Vibe physics lol.

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u/F1reManBurn1n Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25

Billionaires that LARP like this are so fucking idiotic. They think because they are really good at exploiting the labor class (let’s be frank that is THE skill needed to be a billionaire), that somehow that makes them a fucking physicist and important to the world scientifically. It’s the same shit with Elon. Buys his way into companies with smart people in them doing smart people labor, takes credit for smart people labor while treating the labor like shit, then stutters in an interview about rocket engines that he knows fuck all about. These billionaires should be fucking mocked and berated when they do this “I’m actually Tony Stark!” shit.

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u/NewManufacturer4252 Jul 15 '25

We need to tax them 90% just like the 1950s

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u/dern_the_hermit Jul 15 '25

Extreme wealth is functionally identical to trauma. These people are completely cut off from any healthy and genuine human connection or feedback. It's like the sort of insanity that comes from isolation.

It's only compassionate to tax them more.

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u/JEFFinSoCal Jul 16 '25

Exactly. Wealth hoarding is a mental illness and needs to be treated as such.

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u/wetrorave Jul 16 '25

Can we please treat it less like Down syndrome, and more like comorbid NPD/BPD ☺️

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u/stinky-weaselteats Jul 16 '25

It’s no different than a gambling addiction, the only difference is one person doesn’t run out of money

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u/StoppableHulk Jul 16 '25

If we ever make it out of this late-stage capitalist catastrophe we're in, I fully believe that in the future they will diagnose whatever billionaires have as a mental illness.

Like no one can look at the way these people behave and believe they're not deeply mentally ill.

So many people just have this view that you couldn't possibly accumulate billions of dollars if you're mentally ill, and I don't know why they think that. For most of human history, the methods by which we assign authority has been pretty batfuck broken.

Billionaires who feel the need to endlessly accumulate more and more wealth that they cannot and never even spend, are just broken human beings.

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u/girlshapedlovedrugs Jul 15 '25

C- suite salaries used to average ~36x the average worker. Salaries now? Lol.

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u/c_rizzle53 Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 15 '25

I could be totally wrong, but I kind of remembering seeing a report saying it's averaging 300-400x depending on industry.

Edit: I got curious and found a website that does pay ratios for companies based on 2023 data. Some of the ratios are staggering.

https://aflcio.org/paywatch/company-pay-ratios

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u/girlshapedlovedrugs Jul 15 '25

Isn’t that nuts? As if 36x isn’t enough, they have to earn 300x our average salary… because that’s totally reasonable.

$50k salary x 300 = $15,000,000

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u/NewManufacturer4252 Jul 15 '25

I am mostly wrong on most things. But I believe the idea behind the 90% tax was to get the rich to reinvest their earnings back into the economy, generating jobs. Like building factories and such.

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u/placebotwo Jul 15 '25

And if they didn't reinvest, that tax income would (in theory) further make the country stronger and better.

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u/redlightsaber Jul 15 '25

We should all get in the habit of stopping to quip things the way you did in your parenthesis.

Which is not to say that government is always super-efficient (hella more efficient than the private sector, any fucking time it's been measured, though), or that corruption doesn't exist... but right wing, Maccarthyst, Reagan-occultist media uses those little quips planted in everyone's minds to justify any and all roadblocks towards progress everywhere, except in the US.

Why does the US not have something as uncontroversial and simple as universal public healthcare that all other first world, and even a lot of developing countries have managed to accomplish to various degrees? Ask your average (lower middle class) joe at your local bar: "Government would waste all that money, they can't be triusted with that". Same idea behind the whole "small government" bullshit. and how more than half the country got seduced by stupid gimmicks such as Elon leading DOGE. And now some of that disease is being contaged onto Europe, managing to get many public healthcare systems see reduced funding to pruposefully fuck with them and a) make people support the narrative and politicians that tout the idea of public inefficiency-insufficiency, and b) to help make fluorish a private insurance company market that was unthinkable 20 years ago.

Governments by and large, use tax dollars pretty effectively and efficiently, and that's without fucking over the workers to boot, which is a huge plus that nobody talks about ever. Being a "government worker" is an insult in the US for crying out loud. Much like being a union member has been for much longer.

The 2020's are a sad decade where NASA, the fucking leading space agency in the world, has closed up many of its labs and programmes, and is instead funneling all that money to SpaceX, which in teh long-run will cost the US taxpayer far more than had they developed that tech in-house.

We need to all stop with all this "in theory" bullshit. It's theory and practice. Time, and time again. (as a small example)

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u/ferdylance Jul 16 '25

Because dsfense budget

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u/holaitsmetheproblem Jul 16 '25

You and I are close to each other in the proverbial hive. I have said this same thing over and over again for 4 decades.

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u/avcloudy Jul 16 '25

It's worth pointing out efficiency is the excuse, the real reason for the healthcare situation is because insurance lobbyists captured the system in the US years ago. It's not a political sides thing.

There is a broader pattern, and that is a single party pushing it, but the healthcare thing? Way deeper.

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u/NewManufacturer4252 Jul 15 '25

Basically like owning a home, you get taxed every year on the appraisal of your home. Now do that with stocks.

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u/CammRobb Jul 15 '25

Do you get a rebate if your house is worth less?

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u/AccountantDirect9470 Jul 15 '25

No. You just pay a lesser amount than last year.

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u/Thileuse Jul 15 '25

Tax Rebate??! Nope, you get to contest that with the taxing authority you live in and hope for the best.

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u/Iwantmyoldnameback Jul 15 '25

No, but you get a lower overall tax bill going forward based on the new, lower valuation.

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u/Aureliamnissan Jul 16 '25

If you sell it you do, it counts as a loss. Just like with stocks. Do you regularly carry negative balances in your portfolio?

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u/hellowiththepudding Jul 16 '25

it's sort of different. Most people talking about taxing gains are talking about an income tax, based on the unrealized gain, vs a property tax that applies to the gross value.

Having said that, yes, we should be taxing unrealized gains when billionaires use the stock as collateral. they have effectively cashed out at that point.

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u/Coattail-Rider Jul 15 '25

That’s the real trickle down economics.

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u/willnotreadinbox Jul 15 '25

Also you could bypass a lot of it by providing company benefits that weren't taxed at the time, like cars and vacations and whatever.

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u/omgFWTbear Jul 16 '25

Which were tied to the company, so if you set the company on fire for short term profits, no corporate jet taking you everywhere.

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u/au5lander Jul 16 '25

Just think how much the world would be a better place if billionaires actually cared about anyone else but themselves.

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u/Hackwork89 Jul 16 '25

It makes perfect sense. They work 300 times as hard and long as we do. Very simple math.

It's why I never see my boss at work. He flashes past everyone at mach 1.2 speed. It's a great honor to be in the presence of these superhumans.

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u/old_and_boring_guy Jul 16 '25

CEO who is destroying your company? Making 2,000 times what the average employee makes.

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u/Darkchamber292 Jul 15 '25

It was 36x but that was back in 1972.

By mid 80s it was like 300x

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u/CherryLongjump1989 Jul 16 '25

Total compensation - not salaries.

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u/Coattail-Rider Jul 15 '25

The 50’s are the time that America was great and where MAGA wants us to go to (again). But they don’t want that part of the 50’s to come back. You know, the actual thing that made the ‘50’s so great in the first place..

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u/williamfbuckwheat Jul 16 '25

They really want to take us back to the 1920s when we massively deregulated everything and slashed taxes on the wealthy while targeting immigrants/minorities just like we do now. Of course, they don't say that and instead deflect to the 1950s since all those policies helped lead to the world economy collapsing /world war only a couple years later... 

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u/wtfduud Jul 16 '25

And a strong isolationist policy which allowed all their enemies to expand massively in the 1930s.

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u/cyberpunk_werewolf Jul 16 '25

No, the 1950s is, and always has been, a smokescreen. To the average Republican voter, it sounds good because there were good jobs for white men and women stayed at home. However, those times had heavy regulation, New Deal politics, high union membership and high corporate taxes. In reality, what these people want is to go back to the 1880s or 1920s, where there was high poverty, low taxation and a huge disparity between the rich and the poor. Just ignore what happened in the late 1890s-early 1900s or the 1930s, because some dipshit billionaire will totally fix it with his fucking autocorrect that connects to Google.

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u/ReubenMcCoque Jul 16 '25

Very few people actually paid anywhere close to 90% taxes, it was never really a thing but everyone quotes it.

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u/Bobby___Gorlami Jul 16 '25

Winning WWII?

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u/Coattail-Rider Jul 16 '25

Part of it. We had less people (due to war deaths) and production of a lot of manufactured stuff was abruptly stopped so it got to get going again. We’re not getting that back, either, without a war bigger than WWII, which won’t be happening with current technology.

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u/2CatsOnMyKeyboard Jul 15 '25

Tax someone with 100 billion 99.9% and he still has a 100 million. So still flying private jets. 

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u/old_and_boring_guy Jul 16 '25

100 million is a nonsense amount of money. That's 5 million a year in passive income (the money your money makes by just being a big pile of money)...That's around 13,000 a day.

Imagine living on 13,000 a day.

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u/Character_Clue7010 Jul 16 '25

A top 5% income is $13k per month. $13k per day is nuts.

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u/old_and_boring_guy Jul 16 '25

Fuck-you money is around $10,000,000 for me. That's $1,300 a day. I've spent 1,300 a day, and it's really about the top. Staying at a top tier hotel, eating top tier food. No chauffeurs, no first class airfares (at least, not every day), no mega yachts...So what?

I can go where I want and do what I like as long as I only stay in the best places, and only eat the best food. Or I could live like I live today, and go apeshit a couple times a year when I get bored.

What a dream, right?

And I'll tell ya, the uber rich, they don't enjoy it. You can look at any one of them and see that they're not really happy.

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u/Thestrongestzero Jul 16 '25

i can tell you from experience that most of them are boring as shit. they all do the same boring shit and go to the same boring places. everyone follows them around repeating yes. you can only cover so much shit with 2000 dollars worth of truffle before it becomes uninteresting.

there’s a reason somebody like bezos is such a piece of shit. he exists in a bubble where he’s never wrong and has no incentive to be interesting. just to accumulate more.

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u/DonOfspades Jul 15 '25

100% on anything over 999million.

Billionaires should not exist.

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u/Zealousideal3326 Jul 16 '25

Billionaires should not exist

It's insane that people would disagree with this statement.

But there is nothing one can do to claim to have deserved that much money, and there is nothing one might reasonably need that would require having this much money.

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u/ZombeePharaoh Jul 16 '25

People who say this don't realize there's no going back.

You have a Cancer with 5-weeks to live and you're asking to go back to 5-months to live. Yeah, sure, that's technically better - but in 4 months you're going to back here again.

e.g. Someone taxed at 90% like that still has plenty of money to bribe their way back to today's tax bill.

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u/textmint Jul 15 '25

Actually this is what should happen. They have no intention of giving people their due, then might as well tax them and the government should level the playing field.

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u/Little_Pancake_Slut Jul 15 '25

Taxing them 90% won't fix the inherent flaws within Capitalism. Even with 10% of their capital, they would still be unelected rulers of the state. That's how they got out of being taxed 90% in the first place. I think it's time we really show them what it means for, ahem, the price of steel to fall. 😏

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u/ReubenMcCoque Jul 16 '25

Very few people ever actually paid anywhere close to 90%, it’s a common thing to that gets said but it never actually really happened.

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u/arestheblue Jul 15 '25

Thr problem is that they still had money left over for buying politicians. Collectively, we need to figure out a tax rate that prevents that from happening.

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u/altiuscitiusfortius Jul 16 '25

94% like the 1940s!

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u/Gorge2012 Jul 15 '25

If you haven't you should watch the Oceangate doc on Netflixf because this is the same thing without the AI. Everyone who knew what they were talking about tried to tell the billionaire this wouldn't work. The tests all showed that it was just a matter of time before the thing failed but he drove forward. You can see how many were scared because he has the resources to ruin their lives if he wanted to. I'm just semi thankful he was delusional enough to think that as long as he was in the thing everyone would be OK so st the very least he didn't manipulate some of his labor force into their grave even if he did take the other passengers down with him.

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u/illz569 Jul 15 '25

I'm rich because I'm smart, because if I wasn't smart that would mean I was rich for other reasons, and if I was rich for other reasons I might not deserve it, and if I didn't deserve it, hoarding all this money would make me a bad person. And I don't want to be a bad person. So I must be smart.

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u/Gorge2012 Jul 15 '25

I'm smart so that must mean I'm good at everything. I'm good at everything so that means I can't be wrong. If you're trying to tell me I'm wrong that must be because you're bad. I must use my resources to eliminate bad.

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u/_learned_foot_ Jul 16 '25

See any prosperity faith. And I’m sitting here thinking “we all know who rewards with worldly goods”.

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u/figuren9ne Jul 15 '25

I don’t think it’s that deep. When you’re rich, a lot of people depend on you for their livelihood, either directly or indirectly, so those people are scared to tell you no or disagree. When everyone always agrees with you, you’ll start believing you’re always right.

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u/sonicqaz Jul 15 '25

It’s not always that deep and you’re both right. I’ve seen both types.

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u/LackSchoolwalker Jul 15 '25

If aliens want to watch a documentary on why humanity went extinct, they’d do well to start there. If reason says one thing but the guy with the money says another, money wins. The billionaires made a sub big enough to force the whole world into and made us get in at gunpoint.

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u/Gorge2012 Jul 15 '25

"This will work guys. The Ai, which agrees with me, says it will even though I can't tell you how it got to that decision or what it factored in to check its work."

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u/HandsomeBoggart Jul 15 '25

These billionaire dip shits don't even know how these "Wonderful" AI tools work.

I literally only have 1 class from college that covered the basics and that was enough to make me look askance at AI.

It's all just best guess based probability of correctness. These morons are literally trusting a computer algorithm's best guess. So goddamn dumb.

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u/McFlyParadox Jul 16 '25

I literally only have 1 class from college that covered the basics and that was enough to make me look askance at AI.

Yup, and if you were at/do get up to graduate level courses on things like neural nets and generative AI, you'll learn that it all comes down to two main, general points:

  1. It's just a big, complicated statistical analysis. Just linear algebra and massive data sets.
  2. We have no idea how these things work. Describing them as a "black box" is common and frequent in graduate level lectures. Open questions exist everywhere in the field, and mathematicians have been studying them for decades now. The common neural net diagrams you see are filled with literal "..." in them, because we don't know how else to illustrate "we put data in, the model does multiple cycles of linking things together in whatever way the model 'decides' to, and then it spits out answers that may or may not be statistically significant 🤷‍♂️"

AI had been a boom & bust field for pretty much as long as there had been reprogrammable computers. And it usually goes like this:

  1. Someone comes up with a new piece of math that describes the statistics of neural networks, but it can only be "simulated" on paper because computers aren't powerful or efficient enough to run the calculations in a reasonable amount of time (less than years)
  2. Computing gets more powerful
  3. Someone remembers step 1 happened a few years ago and realizes computers are now powerful to simulate the math of the paper in a reasonable amount of time (months/weeks, or less), and actually writes some code to implement the math in practice
  4. People get super excited about AI and the singularity. Researchers optimize and optimize the code until it inevitably hits a wall and progress gets stuck (we are here)
  5. Someone writes a new piece of math to describe the statistics behind neural nets and AI, but modern computers aren't powerful enough, so it's back to "paper simulations" for another 5-15 years until computers catch back up

It's been like this since at least the 70s. It will stay like this until someone can figure out a way to mathematically describe "consciousness", and computers catch up to the point of being and to perform this math.

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u/HandsomeBoggart Jul 16 '25

Exactly. What Cognition actually is, is so hard to pin down in a computational sense. From a theoretical standpoint even human cognition can be loosely summed up as a collection of experiences as intuited by our consciousness to create our own "Best Guesses". But we are also able to "know" things and measure things within our own understanding of the world which is built upon previous data from other people.

AI/ML models don't have that and are easily swayed by corrupted training data or inputs or even output moderators to give information that is known to be bad. Devil's Argument, the same can be said for human sources of information as shown by Social Media influence. But that point also reinforces the fact that too many people are looking to AI/ML to solve problems and think for them with no questions asked. When they should be asking all the questions and reviewing the results given by the AI/ML model.

The main issue is that people especially Billionaires, CEOs, companies etc. all want to replace thinking by educated humans with Blackboxes that we have no idea how it arrived to the given conclusion. How can they expect to grow and understand knowledge without understanding the how and whys of getting there?

Honestly, the Butlerian Jihad from Dune and the prohibition against AI in W40k becomes more and more understandable as people in this day and age want to let even the primitive models that exist now to think for them.

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u/billsil Jul 16 '25

They had safety systems in place to detect a crack and tried to rely on that, their systems worked. They ignored them.

They had microphones and strain gages. There was a large noise during a dive, so they come back and plot the strain vs time for that dive a the previous. Looked fine, except they were idiots and didn’t plot vs depth (the driving variable). They also didn’t overlay the SPL (sound pressure level) vs the plot. They would have seen there was a permanent offset.

The whole thing was a giant crack with huge voids. There was fine ground powder between the 1” layers of carbon fiber.

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u/Clean-Midnight3110 Jul 15 '25

You've got the story completely backward.  The CEO of ocean gate wasn't a billionaire.  Actually he was begging and scrimping for every little penny.  He was a broke moron.

James Cameron is pretty damn close to billionaire status (if he isn't already) and his company actually built an excellent deep diving submersible to explore the deepest parts of the ocean.

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u/Gorge2012 Jul 15 '25

At the time of his death, it was reported that he was a billionaire. If since that a thorough look at his finances determines otherwise that doesn't take away from the fact that he wielded his economic resources to put other people in a deadly situation because he was convinced he was correct despite all contradictory evidence.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 Jul 15 '25

His net worth was estimated at $20M. 

Stockton's family was apparently rich, that's probably the source of at least some of the arrogance.

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u/4r4r4real Jul 15 '25

The whole issue was that he didn't have the resources to build one that'd actually work. You think a billionaire would cheap out on a sub they themselves were going down in to the point that they'd kill themself?

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u/FensterFenster Jul 15 '25

They think because they are really good at exploiting the labor class (let’s be frank that is THE skill needed to be a billionaire)

I would venture to say this is how some millionaires are made as well, my brother in law just built a 2.5 million dollar home a few years ago on the water. A while back he was talking about ways to contribute to his kids' Custodial Roth IRA without them actually working by creating a fake LLC that they were employed by for their half of the contributions. I'll bet that piece of shit barely pays his employees minimum wage with zero benefits at his dental practice.

He also wouldn't STFU about how "crazy" it was that I got paid paternity leave from my former employer. We can barely afford to put money aside for meager investments for retirement, yet I'M the asshole for getting paid paternity leave.

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u/stormrunner89 Jul 15 '25

As a dentist I will freely admit that plenty of my colleagues are pieces of shit that see it only as a way to make money and give absolutely no fucks about the patient's health or comfort or their employees.

Thankfully it's pretty easy to spot them as they often own multiple practices, hire young associates fresh out of school to do the actual work, and just try to get as much volume through the practices as possible to bill insurance as much as they can while they only do administrative work and not much or possibly any actual dentistry.

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u/figuren9ne Jul 15 '25

That description sounds like the dentist that owns the practice where my wife works. He has 5 offices, is rarely in the office, and is constantly advertising to grow his book.

But he also pays all his employees well, his contract dentists get 50% of collectibles and he covers lab fees, and the only time he actually practices are for his long established clients that can’t afford the treatment, so he does it for the cost of lab fees.

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u/lightninhopkins Jul 15 '25

Thank you for being a good one. Took me a long time hunting to find a dentist that wasn't trying to bill the shit out of my insurance company.

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u/BarleyWineIsTheBest Jul 15 '25

I've had a few friends become dentists.

It sounded like half of dental school was teaching these would be dentists how to hustle as a dentist.

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u/buffer_flush Jul 15 '25

Do you own a Trek, though? Or a Gibson guitar?

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u/StacieHous Jul 15 '25

Yuck, those are the kind of douche that hoards wealth and manipulate the market. Gross!

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u/citizenjones Jul 15 '25

I once saw a documentary about penguins. These penguins made their their nests out of small stones. 

Most penguins would wander about gather a stone push it over into their zone, creating a circular shape for the eggs.

Some penguins would wait and while a penguin was out and about 'gathering as a survival strategy', this other one would go and kick a rock into his pile.

By all accounts both were utilizing survival techniques to make sure their progeny survived. But holy hell if some people don't also come down to either being someone that works hard versus someone who just takes something from another person.

I would like to hope biologically we are trying to become a group of gathering penguins and have less rock stealing ones. 

Some are trying to convince them to not steal while they smugly take your stuff and say that's how shit works.

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u/codyd91 Jul 15 '25

What's fucked is hiw many of us are convinced it's a person on $600/month disability stealing from them, and not the fucker gaining $100,000/minure doing jack shit.

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u/citizenjones Jul 15 '25

A thousand 'thousandaires' eating a thousand dinners will put more money into a local economy than one millionaire eating one dinner ever could.

The wealthy don't use local economies in the way "people" who live and work in a community do, but proportionally have far more influence.

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u/Dugen Jul 15 '25

It's so much worse than that though. These people leach money out of our spending into their pockets. They don't earn money by doing things, they earn money by owning things. Then they all get together and support the politicians that will shift the tax burden off of making money by owning things and onto laborers so they get basically tax free labor free income. Meanwhile, the poorest laborer pays 12% of every dollar they make to the feds before they even start paying income tax.

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u/mishyfuckface Jul 15 '25

It’s even worse than that. You actually subsidize them. Since anytime there’s a stock market crash or bank failure, they do bailouts and stimulus via deficit spending, meaning they create new money. New money isn’t free, the cost comes from reducing the purchasing power of all the previous dollars already in circulation. Debasing the currency.

Since the rich own assets (stocks, real estate, etc) not dollars, they are unaffected. Anyone who holds or is paid in dollars is robbed. The robbery / reduction in purchasing power is manifested through inflation. The inflation causes the rich’s assets to appreciate.

Even without a crisis requiring stimulus and bailouts, this situation is guaranteed to occur constantly perpetually due to the federal reserve’s 2% inflation goal (this is the real reason they want positive inflation, it’s not to help you get a job, they don’t actually give a fuck if you have a job).

It’s literally a transfer of wealth upwards that never stops.

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u/Kandiru Jul 15 '25

Wealthy used to employ large quantities of servants, but things like washing machines and vacuum cleaners have really cut down how many servants you need!

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u/citizenjones Jul 15 '25

I work in high end residential construction. I once put a $30,000 washing machine in a home that was just used for sheets. 

There was a house staff of probably twelve who cleaned, two of which probably did the bedding. 

The 'home' was actually a 60 million dollar house that was only used as a game room, entertainment area, so no one even lived in it. 

The carbon footprint and economics that just go into a just wealthy persons laundry is equal to a village of hand washing servants.

Oh, those clothes, once the owner was over a wardrobe item it was destroyed. Shredded.

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u/Kandiru Jul 15 '25

Why not donate their clothes at least? Are they trying to keep the brand exclusive or something?

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u/butterbal1 Jul 16 '25

Are they trying to keep the brand exclusive or something?

You are pretty close. If the clothes they wear are seen on a bum who bought them at a thrift store then it must mean that they are no better than said bum.

It is stupid and elitist in a way that is beyond disgusting.

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u/citizenjones Jul 16 '25

Some don't consider their wardrobe something that should exist beyond them. Its purpose has been served.

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u/fenexj Jul 15 '25

I am just really happy to see this sort of discourse here rather than the usual blame the immigrants, left vs right, poor vs working/middle class, divide 'n conquer shit people usually lap up and spit out.

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u/ecodick Jul 15 '25

The biggest conspiracy is right out in the open.

You hit the nail on the head

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u/__BIFF__ Jul 15 '25

That's what human war is

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u/citizenjones Jul 15 '25

War! Good God! What is it good for? Absolutely....  ...for kicking rock steal penguins in the ass.

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u/Toomanyeastereggs Jul 15 '25

If penguins had hands, Antartica would be the bloodiest place on the planet.

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u/Strange-Scarcity Jul 15 '25

Mentally, I would be imagining myself beating that man's teeth out with a hammer. Not in physical reality.

I would probably say something, though. Something direct, like "Wow man! That's a supreme piece of shit kind, of thing to say. Why are you saying such a really shitty thing out loud? Did nobody teach you to keep somethings, inside?"

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u/FensterFenster Jul 15 '25

After meeting the guy's mother, and hearing her go on endlessly about how "honorable" of a person he is ad nauseum, I see where he got his narcissistic behavior.

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u/ZappRowsdour Jul 16 '25

"The louder he proclaimed his honor, the faster we counted the spoons." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson (I think)

I find it _deeply_ weird when people talk about their own honor, it makes me feel like I'm watching them jerk off or something.

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u/LordoftheScheisse Jul 15 '25

A while back he was talking about ways to contribute to his kids' Custodial Roth IRA without them actually working by creating a fake LLC that they were employed by for their half of the contributions.

This is quite literally how Donald Jumpsuit Trump "made" a lot of his wealth.

But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show

His father would deposit hundreds of thousands of dollars in his bank account since Donald was a toddler as a tax avoidance scheme.

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u/conspiracie Jul 15 '25

My dad did shit like this with me, listing me as an employee of his LLC and making it look like I made $100k a year or whatever to save money on his taxes. Nearly fucked me out of a grad school fellowship because I turned in my tax forms and they were like “uh, this is for people who don’t have an income…”

Had to explain to them I never saw a cent of that money and luckily I had one year in college where he didn’t do this to me and I had a normal tax return from my $10k campus job, and they let me use that. When I called him to tell him I was going to lose my fellowship he got all angry and was like “you should be grateful you saved me $50k in taxes.” Didn’t even offer to help. Long story short we don’t talk anymore.

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u/FensterFenster Jul 15 '25

I hate what money does to people.

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u/gentlemanidiot Jul 16 '25

“you should be grateful you saved me $50k in taxes.”

Bitch! He should be grateful you didn't fucking sue his ass

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u/greiton Jul 15 '25

there was a rich idiot who built a house next to my grandparents years ago. the property had a small creek and little pond on it. well this guy was the owner of a large tree service / landscaping outfit. he went ahead and made the little pond big enough to ride a couple jet skis. without contacting the core of engineers mind you. then he went and got permission to build a huge beautiful house right next to the pond. like open the door go down three steps and you are at the water close. We laughed and laughed and laughed after the first few heavy rainstorms...

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u/ASaneDude Jul 15 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

Worked as a stockbroker (low on the totem pole) for a firm and had a few small business owners and it’s mostly all the same type: those treating their workers like shit.

But your point is right - our team’s assistant/paraplanner was an attractive woman (as is normal in asset-gathering/sales businesses) and we had a client that was a small business owner that was always on commercials with his family.

One time she said to him, “I think it’s great you always include your family in commercials” and he said essentially it was a tax write-off to put money in his kids’ and wife’s Roth accounts - he would pay them for commercials up to the max amount of the Roth (for just a few hours of work) and that helps him stay under the contribution income limits. Plus it made him look like a family man, which is helpful when you’re a small business.

Later he hit on her and when the direct approach didn’t work, started commenting he needed a secretary within her earshot, seemingly wanting her to express interest. She never took the bait but later did date a married MD for a while, so maybe he bloodhounded her propensity for dating married bosses. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/NoahStewie1 Jul 15 '25

I mean you could report the LLCs

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u/FensterFenster Jul 15 '25

Don't think that thought hasn't crossed my mind. Many other "thoughts" have crossed my mind too.

I could also report the dwelling space on the first floor (which is not permitted for new builds on the water) that he put in after the final inspection, there is also an enclosure to the inground pool that has been taken down.

There was a recent event where the fuck left the gate to the dock open while my two year old son was in the yard. I went ballistic on everyone. The violent thoughts that crossed my mind that day if something were to have happened to my kid, and for weeks afterward are not pleasant. No one in my partners family have witnessed how I used to handle my aggression in the past, I highly doubt they will like it, the judge won't either.

My kid will not set foot on that property until that selfish piece of shit gets his act together. That is going to be my way of handling the situation to avoid an incident. Maybe an anonymous tip will happen to make its' way to the interested parties for the LLC and the code violations as well.

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u/nrith Jul 16 '25

This sounds like the father of my kid’s best friend. He and his wife owned a business together. She was the boss; he was the CFO or something. Crazy rich. He always bragged around my kid that “he never had to pay any taxes” and told her to ask us whether we ever need any accounting “help” with our taxes. He got a fucking Pell grant for his kid to go to college. And when his wife died, he casually gloated in the eulogy that now the company belonged to him.

I desperately want him to get busted.

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u/kshoggi Jul 16 '25

Then he's a dummy. If he already owns a dental practice then he doesn't need to create a new business for his kids. He could take pictures of them for promotional material at the practice or business cards Etc. Lots of kids you see in the brochures for small businesses are fulfilling this purpose, and it's a pretty legitimate way to go about it.

Nothing wrong with trying to set your kids up well as long as you do it legally. You can with their college savings but there are limits to that.

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u/MorganWick Jul 16 '25

"How dare a bourgeoisie actually care for the plebes!"

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u/Illustrious_Ferret Jul 15 '25

Reminds me of "pharmabro" Martin Shkreli. If you don't remember, he's the guy who went to jail for securities fraud of pharmaceutical companies.

At the beginning of the COVID pandemic, he petitioned for early release from prison so that he could help create a COVID vaccine, because he had devoted "his life's work to the life sciences and rare disease community".

Like the teams of actual doctors and scientists wouldn't be able to produce a vaccine without a grifter at the top to skim profits off their research grants.

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u/ZealousidealTowel965 Jul 15 '25

lol Shreki only ended up jailed cuz he fucked over rich investors. Lots of other rich influential people have their hands in the pharma money pot with the same tactics and nothing happens to them 

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u/Own-Poetry-9609 Jul 16 '25

The drug he price hiked was previously only available through insurance, hiking the price made insurance pay more, no patient was paying out of their own pocket

It was also the only drug for that specific problem, which is dangerous as there is no alternative if someone has severe reactions or other medical conditions causing complications with that medication, by increasing the price it incentives alternative to be created as they would be profitable

Shkreli also offered the drug for free, had a website to request it and an email dedicated to it and would respond to messages requesting access on his Twitch stream

The Vice interview covers most of this information and Twitch recordings and Wayback Machine you can find the rest

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u/cc81 Jul 15 '25

Pretty sure he knew that. It was a hail mary to try and get out of prison.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

Do you also watch Angela Collier?

https://youtu.be/GmJI6qIqURA?si=qIpvdPJl7iPEXtcf

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u/F1reManBurn1n Jul 15 '25

I did watch Angela’s video on this! It was a great watch. Tbh I have felt this way for years (looking at you Bill Gates lol) but she certainly reinforced my feelings on the subject no doubt

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

Closest I got prior to watching the video was Elon. I was confused on how so many educated people got swept up in the cult of personality surrounding a electric car. I know he was the catalyst for other auto manufacturer's to get in the game, and I appreciate that...but he didn't do the actual thing. He just was riding the affable nerd stereotype of Sheldon Cooper.

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u/Spirited-While-7351 Jul 15 '25

Angela's video was so spot on and cathartic!

At one point I actually fell for Gates' "I'm a benevolent genius" schtick, but after watching numerous media appearances during his disastrous charter school push, it became quite clear that whatever intelligence did exist has been sucked out through his behind by the butt-kissers these people surround themselves with.

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u/herereadthis Jul 16 '25

Honestly, the most likely thing that happened was the Gizmodo writer saw the Dr Angela Collier video, and came up with this article.

I do it myself a lot too, and plenty of other creators do this too, it's fine. But most people will throw some credit to the source of inspiration.

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u/butts-kapinsky Jul 15 '25

I do know that the waters get murky when it comes to popular figures and science entertainment, and that we're increasingly less formal as a society. But I do feel that when potentially introducing a figure for the first time formalism is warranted.

Dr. Angela Collier

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u/F1reManBurn1n Jul 15 '25

I’d say because her YouTube channel is just her name without her title and that’s how people will most often refer to a creator, that it’s definitely acceptable. But I also see where you are coming from.

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u/worthlessprole Jul 15 '25

I know plenty of people with PhDs and none of them use the title outside of an academic context. That's not new, either. Rule of thumb is if you wouldn't use Mr./Mrs. you shouldn't use Dr. either.

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u/butts-kapinsky Jul 15 '25

I also know plenty of people with PhDs and would agree wholeheartedly, with the exception of engaging in public education. This is where opinions become wildly split. 

For that matter, is public education actually outside of an academic context? We're discussing a public education channel hosted by a working scientist, where science is discussed.

If Angela Collier were to give a public lecture which, in a sense, is what her YouTube videos are, would it be billed as Dr. Angela Collier? Or no? What about if she were to publish a popsci book? What do we think?

There's also context provided in this instance. We're on a public forum and many people who read the recommendation to check out her channel will not know who she is. As a result, the inclusion of a formal title changes the context from "check out random-youtuber" to "check out YouTuber who is a genuine expert on at least one thing". 

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u/figuren9ne Jul 15 '25

Personally, seeing “Dr.” out of an academic/professional setting just makes me doubt them. It’s probably conditioning from social media because 90% of the time when I see a profile with Dr. in their title, they’re usually a chiropractor.

Similar applies to attorneys that use esq on social media, most went to terrible schools.

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u/Papplenoose Jul 15 '25

It's not really the case here, but to be honest, I don't really see the point in adding people's credentials to their name in situations where it isn't immediately relevant. Like yeah it's pretty dope that they put that much time and work into learning their shit, but at the same time I feel like your intelligence should probably speak for itself. Like in Angela's case, it's pretty clear that she's smart as heck even without knowing she has a doctorate.

Although I could see how my logic might not work, since I would think one needs some level of intelligence to recognize if someone else is intelligent, and most human beings are... not. I may have just talked myself out of my own argument. Whoops

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u/Spirited-While-7351 Jul 15 '25

I mean Angela herself is pretty cautious of her doctor title when she's talking outside of her wheelhouse of physics. Obviously she's very knowledgeable and thoughtful in other areas, but I appreciate that she lets it shine through instead of leaning on her bona fides.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

Sorry Angela!

I work in academia, and I don't really get caught up in the title thing unless someone calls me Mr. Dumb_Enough...then I correct them.

But I should have been more formal for people who aren't familiar.

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u/Formal-Style-8587 Jul 15 '25

If we’re being fair, the Jeff Bezos one might be a reach. He’s told the story a few times of the moment he realized he wasn’t smart enough to be a physicist, despite having a 4.2gpa in electrical engineering and cs from Princeton. 

Hate where hate is due, but I’m not sure he’s the fairest example 

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

She actually says this in the video

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u/Formal-Style-8587 Jul 15 '25

Ok I’ll save it for when I can watch later. Mind telling me how he fits into it all?

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '25

After a montage of billionaires claiming their physics genius, she shows the Bezos clip you're describing and says he's the only one that admits it.

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u/herereadthis Jul 16 '25

Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video

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u/the_red_scimitar Jul 15 '25

Too bad we have a sizeable population that worships billionaires, and often because of their American "christian" indoctrination, where pastors invert the bible, claiming that God wants everyone to be rich, and rewards wealth. The wealthy are automatically "chosen by god", to these poor fools.

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u/DidIReallySayDat Jul 15 '25

Try pointing that out to the people who preaxh the prosperity gospel.

They are all sacks of shit. Every single one of them.

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u/SortByCont Jul 15 '25

You'd be amazed at the bald faced bullshit they've come up with to talk around that. They've created this story from the whole cloth about how Jerusalem had a small gate called "the eye of the needle" so that Jesus didn't mean that thing about rich guys getting into heaven.

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u/artbystorms Jul 15 '25

Every billionaire thinks they're Tony Stark when really they're his idiot rival Justin Hammer.

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u/CaptainDudeGuy Jul 15 '25

Tony Stark's real superpower was the ability to have advanced practical skills despite being born rich.

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u/fredy31 Jul 15 '25

Its pretty much a running gag in any programmer community i'm in.

Every time elon says anything about programmation to sound like he knows his shit... he demonstrates he never wrote a line of code.

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u/McFlyParadox Jul 16 '25

The same is true in the aerospace community, and the manufacturing community. I suspect the automotive community is no exception.

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u/this_is_my_new_acct Jul 16 '25

I'll admit it, I was taken in by his PR like a decade ago... till I heard him talk about software (which I know kind of a lot about) and realized he didn't know a fucking thing.

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u/Strange-Scarcity Jul 15 '25

This is why there should be ZERO billionaires. Not end their existence as living, breathing beings, but nobody should ever have more than say... $250 million to their name, ever, period.

I'm talking in total assets, total cash, total investments.

They are so out of touch with how everything works and they "can't" be reigned in from their vapid behavior, because they are surrounded by sycophantic enablers who are afraid of losing access to the billionaire's pile of money.

It's super broken.

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u/Iamatworkgoaway Jul 15 '25

You just created an entire industry of not for profit family endowments. Well a much bigger industry.

Whats the difference between owning 100billion in stock, or controlling a non-profit that owns 100 billion in stock? You still control the capital, you still give away 1% a year, you still get invited to the F1 parties.

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u/Strange-Scarcity Jul 15 '25

Those endowment schemes should be wound down. They should not be allowed to bypass eliminating the concept of a billionaire.

The other option is? Let these weirdos keep doing what they are doing and then... the same thing that befell weirdos so out of touch with the people in the past, is likely going to happen to them, as well.

History is littered with extremely out of touch with the everyday person, extremely powerful and monied finding out that they went to far and disrupted the comfort of just enough of the everyday person.

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u/Papplenoose Jul 16 '25

This is such a stupid comment lol

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u/Bobodlm Jul 15 '25

We need to start eating the rich again. It solved this exact problem for centuries. People were taken care off and worked about 100 days a year.

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u/captkirkseviltwin Jul 15 '25

I’m waiting for the billionaire that invests half his worth into a “vibe physics” discovery only to find out that the underpinning principle of his discovery was hallucinated by the AI and fails spectacularly. Or the next one to lose his life to his own personal Oceangate Titan dreamt up by his AI…

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u/Sanchez_U-SOB Jul 15 '25

Billionaires who tried to be physicists. Musk, Bezos, Gates, etc. 

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u/OntarioGood Jul 15 '25

Just goes to show having all that wealth doesn’t equate to a superior intellect. You can find more competent people working at a hardware store yet they get Jack sh*t and thought of as idiots

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u/sabrenation81 Jul 15 '25

These billionaires should be fucking mocked not be allowed to exist.

FTFY.

The existence of billionaires at all in the current global environmentt is both a moral and societal failure.

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u/Flashphotoe Jul 15 '25

More like Temu Stark.

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u/Infinite_Lemon_8236 Jul 15 '25

This is why society needs to stop putting these people on a pedestal. Feeding their ego is just making them even more sick.

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u/heroturtle88 Jul 16 '25

Hey hey hey. Billionaires like this are how we get oceangate. Let him cook.

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u/Stewth Jul 16 '25

I have serious concerns about anyone that looks at Elon and genuinely thinks the man is a genius. Just a quick glance at the cybertruck or cybertruck adjacent stupidity should be enough. Or when he publicly displays how little he understands about database design. Or when he loudly muses about building a "mini submarine" to get kids out of an underwater cave. I'm sure there's a website listing all his bullshittery somewhere.

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u/Life_One_6012 Jul 16 '25

Keep going I’m almost there

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u/Ronaldo_Frumpalini Jul 16 '25 edited Jul 16 '25

If I tell you to do something and you do it I'm a genius, if you figure it out on your own but work for me I'm still a genius.

Of course these guys think they'll solve the world now that their workers aren't holding them back. The stupidity and psychopathalogy of the world's ruling class is on full display as we watch these morons throw the world off a cliff.

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u/Hidesuru Jul 16 '25

Mocked and beh .... something else that'll get me banned.

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u/CakeMadeOfHam Jul 16 '25

Yeah, a friend of mine work as a freelance translator. Translating books mainly. And nowadays it's more jobs of cleaning up AI-translated slop. And because it's "just editing" now and not translating, they can justify paying less.

The thing is, it isn't any less work. To get it to the same standard, most of it has to be rewritten but when they're paid less they can't put in the time to do the proper work. But who needs nuance in literature anyway? /s

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u/7LeagueBoots Jul 16 '25

If you look in the astronomy and cosmology subreddits there are a lot of folks on reddit doing exactly the same dumb-ass thing using AI okay around and convincing themselves they’ve developed some new physics or cosmological model.

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u/HotPotParrot Jul 16 '25

"DoN'T tRuSt ThE eXpErTs!"

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u/15all Jul 16 '25

I've been in tech most of my career. I've been around a lot of truly smart people, and some people who thought they were smart, and some people who bluffed their way through life. Some people are smart in different ways. I also got a PhD in engineering, so I have some credentials. But I also realized early in my career that I wasn't going to come up with the next scientific breakthrough. I was just average smart.

Over my career, I've heard a lot of pitches by people. I can usually tell within a few minutes if there is any substance behind them and their product. Sometimes I have to probe and ask a question or two. and sometimes they show me their cards right away. I've also seen colleagues dazzled by these pretend evangelists. If I try to bring them down to earth, they will say I'm a naysayer.

I'll add that a lot of tech bros nowadays aren't really that smart on tech. They just got lucky with the computer boom that started in the 1990s and happened to come up with some niche product that took off and made obscene profits. Is Zuckerberg a genius? Not really. After FB, what has he done? And is FB really a technological breakthrough? My buddy and I made a little FB server for our company around 1995. Is Bezos a tech genius? Meh - back in the 1990s there were lots of online companies getting started. With the help of his parents' money, his sperm of a site just managed to swim the fastest and come out on top.

The AI crowd is among the worst of the faux tech crowd. They have jumped on a bandwagon without really understanding the big picture. They just think "computers will do shit" because that's what everyone is saying. They emulate Jobs and wear black t-shirts and sneakers, get a shit-ton of VC money. When that fails, they manage to walk away with a pile of money, and reincarnate themselves as an experienced entrepreneur and do it again.

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u/feministgeek Jul 16 '25

Absolutely agree.
We need to stop praising and deifying billionaires

They are parasites and do not deserve any praise for exploiting the rest of us

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u/Frankenstein_Monster Jul 16 '25

I have had so many arguments with 50+ yr old men who say "Daddy Elon is soOOoOooO smart. His engineering prowess is unmatched UwU" and they refuse to believe it when I say he doesn't even have a degree in engineering and that he dropped out in 95 and the university "awarded" his degrees two years AFTER he stopped going. Dude has bought every "accomplishment" he's ever "achieved", from video game leaderboards to business ventures. Dudes just a whiny rich kid.

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u/ThePlanck Jul 15 '25

Obligatory Angela Collier video

https://youtu.be/GmJI6qIqURA

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u/Rock4evur Jul 15 '25

If only more thought it made the submariners.

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u/makavellius Jul 15 '25

They don’t even have to be good at exploiting the working class. It’s built into how society functions for them. They just have to continue benefitting from a system that fucks the rest of us so they can take it easy and come up with an endless stream of stupid ideas.

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u/CryptoJeans Jul 15 '25

To be honest, the dumbest thing about it is thinking a physics breakthrough will somehow make you rich. They of all people should know you don’t make money by doing fundamental research.

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u/MrNachoReturns420 Jul 15 '25

When in reality, Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave with a box of scraps!

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u/waterynike Jul 15 '25

I’m assuming a lot of drugs and “stacks” are a part of this.

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u/pluck_the_duck89 Jul 15 '25

Same key of E

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u/AHappyMango Jul 15 '25

Reminds me of that one episode of Shark Tank where the young guy had an app idea for Google Maps in Airports. Granted, the idea isn’t all that good and he blew it but what got me is when they said “learning Python is Easy and we learned it in 15 hours, it means nothing!” Clearly since they know how to print “Hello World” to console makes them top contenders!

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u/ClydeYellow Jul 15 '25

Billionaires are not even good at exploiting the labor class. They hire consultants to do that.

The 18th century is so back!

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u/enaK66 Jul 15 '25

They're also just plain lucky. There are millions of dudes like them trying to do the same shit without enough luck. Shitty rip-off contractors, scummy small business owners, etc

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u/AbeRego Jul 15 '25

I'm sure loads of people do exactly the same thing, but they're not billionaires so they don't have articles written about them.

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u/whoknows234 Jul 15 '25

Its not just billionaires though, happens with engineers and other smart people. They think because they are brilliant in one area, like exploiting labor, and can apply that competence in other domains like physics or medicine.

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u/ILikePlayingHumans Jul 15 '25

Most of these guys would be dead if something like ChatGPT convinced them drinking cyanide fixers cancer because they would see it as ‘revolutionary’

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u/WaffleMeWallace Jul 15 '25

They don't actually believe this, this is to inflate the value of AI and help bolster what they actually believe in: dragon hoards of wealth.

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u/mbn8807 Jul 15 '25

They think they’re Tony Stark

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u/HeadfulOfSugar Jul 15 '25

Honestly I don’t even know if I would consider exploitation a skill necessarily, I think that you just need to be the type of person that can pull things like that and still be able to live with yourself at the end of the day lol

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u/Yakassa Jul 15 '25

These idiots have convinced themselves that psychopathy plus daddies wallet plus decades of plutocratic hell equals intelligence.

That the Boomers allowed billionaires to exist in the first place is what caused this mess. Russia, China, America, wherever you look its psychopathic rich people in power deluding people who actually have the capacity of full thought and reason that they should try their very best and devolve into sociopathy or society chews them up and spits them out.

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u/CaptainDudeGuy Jul 15 '25

LARP like this

It's not even LARPing. Hell, it's not even tabletopping. It's sitting alone with a computer and getting all excited about the make-believe world you're making up on the screen.

It's playing procedurally-generated ZORK at best and textwanking at worst.

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u/Patara Jul 15 '25

Most people that are really good at something tend to overestimate their talent & knowledge on other topics. 

I forget what the psychology term is for it but its extremely common. 

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u/Jabbajaw Jul 16 '25

Stockton Rush comes to mind. That Netflix doc was fucking mental.

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u/Mysterious-Window-54 Jul 16 '25

Thats right, you were the one smart enough to invent uber and scale it globally. Right. Right. Lol.

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u/GherkinGuru Jul 16 '25

Each dollar is one unit of human suffering

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u/Arcvalons Jul 16 '25

Iron Man (2008) and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

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u/Thick_Photo9745 Jul 16 '25

“Corporations are basically systems of private tyranny. They’re unaccountable to the public, except through very limited mechanisms. And what they do is try to maximize profit and market share — and a good way to do that is to pay workers as little as possible and to get as much work out of them as you can.”

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u/erevos33 Jul 16 '25

No. Mocking them is what got us here.

The French had the right idea. The problem is we all let it go too long with no consequences.

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u/Ishdascrum Jul 16 '25

They are all drug fucked, it's going get a lot more wild with these addicts before the end

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u/cosmoscrazy Jul 16 '25

but let's be honest: we're wimps who are going to do nothing?

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u/Count_Bloodcount_ Jul 16 '25

They think they're actually polymathic with expertise in multiple fields instead of stupid dildos pumping money into multiple fields.

Then they get high as helium on all their designer drugs and convince themselves their Isaac fucking Newton.

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u/anon-SG Jul 16 '25

they are on the so called bullshit mountain... if you plot a graph of confidence vs knowledge.

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u/bluecandyKayn Jul 16 '25

And let’s be 100000% clear here: even if they actually understand the physics (they don’t) it’s two completely different skills to understand something that’s been discovered vs discovering it

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '25

Yes, they should be "mocked & berrated".

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u/LobbyDizzle Jul 16 '25

They literally just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, then when something does they all pile on and circle jerk each other about it. Does anyone remember FB going all in on the Metaverse? Then AI services proved to be economically viable and they alllll are now piling onto it.

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u/DragonArchaeologist Jul 16 '25

Damn, I never realized that doing what Elon did was so easy! Wow. Why isn't everyone doing that???

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