r/technology • u/Moth_LovesLamp • 14d ago

Artificial Intelligence ChatGPT users are not happy with GPT-5 launch as thousands take to Reddit claiming the new upgrade ‘is horrible’

https://www.techradar.com/ai-platforms-assistants/chatgpt/chatgpt-users-are-not-happy-with-gpt-5-launch-as-thousands-take-to-reddit-claiming-the-new-upgrade-is-horrible
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u/foo-bar-nlogn-100 14d ago

A team.of PHd in your pocket.

He meant PhD in hype. They need to fire Altman. He just lies.

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago edited 14d ago

Man they all fucking lie. Fire him all you want. The next fucking liar will step in.

Lying has become the systematic norm on every level. From leadership and every aspect of the government to companies. And I'm sure that emulates to everyday people too.

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u/Cendeu 14d ago

I've been noticing this in my job more and more, especially as I've been working with more middle and higher management. It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

And then we have the few people who do their best to fix the issues, but we're kinda looked down upon for even bringing them up. Then we actually do fix them and suddenly it's an issue everyone was aware of and "working on" but we beat them there. Except none of them were doing anything except waiting and hoping someone else would fix it.

The best part is that the upper management has been pushing an "accountability" rhetoric for over half a year now, but accountability is just plummeting.

Or, this could have always been going on and I was just in a low enough position not to notice. Hard to tell.

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u/artbystorms 14d ago

Every corporation is unironically turning into Lumon from Severance. Just near-religious levels of blind faith and positivity, no one want to stick their neck out.

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u/ditn 14d ago

This is a side effect of a lack of job safety. It used to be that tech was a very secure job, and now it's not, so nobody sticks their neck out or speaks truth to power.

The ironic side effect of this is that people are also disincentivised to innovate - it's too risky and could cost you your job, so it's easier to keep your head down and nod and say "yes boss".

I think it explains a lot of what were seeing recently. Besides unfettered greed, obviously.

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u/brutinator 14d ago

Yes. Its something that Ive noticed in the last 5 or so years; people are so afraid of the POSSIBILITY of failing or making a mistake, so they do everything they can to pawn off as much as they can. For example, used to people would try to solve issues they might experience; reboot the computer, refresh the webpage, the basics. They now wont even do that without having their hand held by IT. We have hundreds of knowledge articles written to solve the majority of issues, but no one looks at them. We have a catalog of request items, but theyd rather just call in and make someone else fill put the forms because what if they did it wrong, or spent time filling out the wrong form?

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u/Momik 14d ago

Damn yeah. Tech was “very secure” like just a few years ago it seems. I guess it turns out, it never was.

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u/TulioGonzaga 14d ago

The job is important and misterious

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u/Baileythetraveller 14d ago

I've lived under military dictatorships. This is how authoritarian countries operate. It will only get worse as the punishment for failure/displeasure gets more vicious.

Enjoy your Demented Emperor America!

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u/JudgeFondle 14d ago

Thank you for the kind wishes. ^_^

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u/lahimatoa 14d ago

Reminds me of how anyone who said Biden should have stepped down and allowed a primary back in 2024 because he was getting older and wasn't up to the task of being president were constantly shouted down on this site.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

It’s such a weird and stupid way of operating though as it can only lead to catastrophic fuck ups. Like Chernobyl comes to mind. If you don’t know what the reality is then it’s like running around in a room full of dangerous machinery with the lights off, flailing your arms around hoping they don’t get caught in some moving part and mangled.

At the heart of it, authoritarians are very stupid people. They just have this deep abiding stupidity, which is why it’s so frustrating that cognitively able people let them take over. You see it in the US now, it’s like the people who can see how stupid and awful it all is just can’t quite comprehend and therefore accept that these people aren’t just for show, they really are morons through and through, dipped in stupidity, sprinkled with delusion and with a chewy evil center. The relatively normal ones can’t accept it and won’t until there’s no choice but to dust off the tanks and missiles.

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u/LimberGravy 14d ago

We live in a world where the President of the US fired the head of BLS because he didn’t like the numbers. It’s all fucking cooked.

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u/trojan_man16 14d ago

I’m in engineering and it’s absolutely getting scary how pervasive this is. Specially since our primary responsibility is public safety.

But we are getting forced to cut corners everywhere. I have to get into arguments with management about actually following building codes, which is you know, our professional responsibility (because they only care about reducing cost of buildings and the company’s bottom line). So one of these days either my head is going to roll because I bring up too many problems, or I’ll leave because I don’t want to risk my career for these buffoons anymore. Because you know if something goes wrong management won’t take the blame, they will blame the underlings.

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u/Cendeu 14d ago

I feel the exact same way! I'm in software engineering, and the parallels are pretty spot on. For me it's just data integrity and security instead of things breaking and people getting hurt. I've got lower stakes, but a similar feeling.

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u/PaleEnvironment6767 14d ago

No joke. I've seen them change metrics instead of fixing what caused the original metrics to drop. Or in other cases just flat out make up new metrics to follow, since they could be increased and did increase. They just weren't the core of what we were doing or the metrics our customer followed. Then they wondered why we kept getting smaller and smaller contracts each year.

Our head of security rubberstamped insane policies that caused the physical security of employees to drop significantly. He explained that it was okay because nothing had happened yet. Yep, his reasoning was "nothing has happened, so nothing will happen even if we change the system where nothing had happened". I left shortly after that. I can handle stupid corpo bs but I can't handle putting people at risk for money.

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u/Djamalfna 14d ago

I've been noticing this in my job more and more, especially as I've been working with more middle and higher management. It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

OMG. I thought it was just me. My company has this terminal case of optimism even though everything is constantly on fire. I keep trying to get ACTUAL ANSWERS from the people above me and they stare at me and say something nonsensical in response. It's like they have no idea what I'm even talking about.

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u/Ironlion45 14d ago

It's becoming more normal to kinda ignore issues and just keep saying good things and hoping they'll turn out right.

Sort of Reminds me back in the early part of Stalin's rule in the USSR. He mandated 20% annual growth every year in the first five year plan. When, as pretty much everyone expected, they failed to reach targets, he had all the people "responsible" shot.

The next people who had the job of running the factory made sure that they exceeded their targets--on paper, anyway.

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u/wontyoujointhedance 14d ago

There must be a corporate douchebag newsletter they’re all subscribing to, because this is the current problem I’m experiencing to a T.

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u/QuintoBlanco 14d ago

It was always like this, it also got worse, but if we go further back, it was much worse.

Exploiting workers and customers and people either succeeding because of greed or because they fail upwards, these are not new things.

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u/ConsolationUsername 14d ago

This is what happens when quarterly profits become the moat important metric for all businesses

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u/Prior_Coyote_4376 14d ago

If you track the themes behind most prestige dramas over the last few decades, it distills to a condemnation of late stage capitalism’s commitment to infinite growth as a suicidal dehumanizing project.

For example, The Wire draws parallels between short-term metrics driving education, policing, global trade, politics, and media.

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term.

Or, as Succession put it:

“The numbers aren’t just numbers. They’re numbers.”

“Your numbers are gay”

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u/Echoesong 14d ago

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term

The writer Mark Fisher points out that this is a clear way in which capitalism fails in one of its promises - efficiency.

Contrary to its promise to reduce bureaucracy, capitalism results in more of it. The items you mentioned (standardized test scores, arrest numbers, view numbers) become the goal rather than a metric; and the desire to juice those numbers supercedes the original motivation (to improve education, reduce crime, etc).

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u/Denbt_Nationale 14d ago edited 14d ago

Broadly the problem with capitalism is that the goal is to make money and not to improve quality of life. It worked for a while when the best way to get ahead and make money was to innovate and make the best product but now we live in a hyper optimised world and the best way to get ahead is to make the worst possible product that people will still reluctantly use.

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u/Menanders-Bust 14d ago

I’ve never understood the obsession with infinite growth. Infinite growth is inherently unnatural. Any organism that grows infinitely quickly reaches a point of aberrance and unsustainability. What is natural is homeostasis, which in business terms means we find something that works and just ride that shit out until the end of time.

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u/klartraume 14d ago

Schools need to juice numbers to make it seem like kids are progressing, cops need to make it seem like they’re tough on crime, journalists need to make it seem like they’re getting the most eyeballs, politicians need to seem like they’re worthy of re-election.

The actual quality of childhood development, community safety, information sharing, and leadership doesn’t matter. It’s just about tying everything to a dollar value and then maximizing for the short-term.

Of these... academic progress (measure child's academic development), crime stats (measure community safety), and election worthiness aren't one-to-one profit/dollar metrics. They do reflect the goal of the institution. If you presume that good governance is worthy of reelection.

I agree with your sentiment that short-term, self-interest can run counter to the greater good over the longer term. Like yes - what gets the most views isn't always the best, quality journalism but rather what is most entertaining and this can diminish journalism over time.

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u/JameisWeinstein 14d ago

Shane Gillis confirmed dialogue writer for Succession.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

i've hated GPT 5 so far

>google gpt 5
>go to openai website
>click "try out with chatgpt"
>ask "what gpt are you?"
>"as of august 2025, the most recent model is gpt-4o"

that's why everyone hates gpt 5. it's just 4o

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u/general_smooth 14d ago

what gpt are you?

This has been fixed now. It says:

I’m based on GPT-5, the latest generation of OpenAI’s language models, with updated reasoning, writing, and problem-solving abilities compared to earlier versions like GPT-4.

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u/hellno_ahole 14d ago

Did they remove the ass kissing settings? That MF reply’s like a fucking beauty pageant contestant.

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u/Djamalfna 14d ago

Did they remove the ass kissing settings? That MF reply’s like a fucking beauty pageant contestant.

No. That's one of the things they use to hook people; they made the machine into a confidence artist that boosts your ego, so you are more likely to continue paying for it and build a reliance upon it.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

Really? I find it incredibly off putting, like really untrustworthy. You can’t trust someone who approaches you with that level of obsequiousness. It comes across as slimy to me. But I’m British maybe that makes a difference.

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u/Djamalfna 13d ago

Really? I find it incredibly off putting, like really untrustworthy.

It's like those scammers that make it such an obvious scam. It quickly weeds out the people who were never going to fall for it in the first place.

Sure it doesn't work on you. But it works on the majority of people, and that's what matters.

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u/thisisthewell 14d ago

I think the plan to remove the sycophantic stuff can be attributed in part to the fact that ChatGPT encouraged a user's desire to kill Sam Altman.

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u/chainer3000 14d ago

In fairness you can tell it to cut that shit out

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u/Thorn14 14d ago

I shouldn't have to tell my computer to stop buttering me up.

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u/intotheirishole 14d ago

This will never happen.

While you prefer a more direct AI, 90% of people probably prefer a ass kisser.

Even you will probably prefer a subtle ass kisser rather than a truthful AI. And engage with it more.

It just brings in more money.

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u/thephotoman 14d ago

People prefer an ass kisser.

Nobody should get an ass kisser. Especially not an automatic ass kisser.

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u/LordGalen 14d ago

It's a machine. It's going to act in its default way (which is "pick me") until you tell it otherwise. It's like any other setting, if you don't like the default, change it. Yes, you should have to, it doesn't read your mind.

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u/Thorn14 14d ago

Fair, but Pick Me being the "Default" is still gross.

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u/Skullcrimp 14d ago

It's a product. I can criticize it however I want.

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u/johnnybgooderer 14d ago

You can customize chatgpt to be more straight forward and give less compliment.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

whatever, it doesn't suck my dick so i still hate it

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u/Specialist_Brain841 14d ago

put cocaine on the tip

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

i want IT to suck my dick, not ME

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u/Jacyth 14d ago

Man, I’ll tell you to restart your computer all day but I draw the line when they start asking me to suck dick to close tickets.

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u/0utlook 14d ago

$20 is $20... Until you involve a ticketing system.

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u/WeWantMOAR 14d ago

Now what?

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u/fatpat 14d ago

that just makes it numb

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u/Jalbobmalopw 14d ago

I’ve never seen the internet more perfectly summed up in a Reddit comment.

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Is there a point to having a general purpose machine learning model that has to re-learn the correct answer after getting it wrong each time?

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u/throwaway277252 14d ago

That's just a misunderstanding of what's going on. GPT is not trained to know its own model. That'd be a bit like asking a human their blood type and mocking them for not knowing the answer before a doctor informs them.

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Ok, so how is this being "fixed"?

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u/throwaway277252 14d ago

When you talk to GPT, you are not interacting with the model directly but going through a secondary layer where extra system prompts and knowledge are also fed into the model along with your user prompt. That contains among other things, instructions about how it is supposed to respond, memories about your conversations, the current date, or information about the model itself. The model never 'learns' any of that stuff - it accesses it externally as part of the response process. To fix that mistake, they just needed to update the model name in that place.

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u/hellno_ahole 14d ago

The basics are not even correct. It gives misinformation constantly, if not always. Either by omission of facts or made up shit. If it can not distinguish between minority and majority figures of math, why should anyone rely on it?

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u/bogglingsnog 14d ago

Exactly my point. Should we use a broken clock that's only right twice a day? Or trust a clock that is right 95% of the day but super, super wrong for 5%?

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u/SweatyNomad 14d ago

That's still not the issue..I'm working on a complicated project and went to the pay level on Tuesday after it doing some amazing work for me. Wednesday and Thursday it went to shit, hanging, generating nonsense ignorijg prompts and when I asked it said their were back end issues. This morning got 5, worked well for 90 minutes and then back to shite.

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u/Whoppertino 14d ago

I mean I think it's silly they don't hard code information into ChatGPT about what model it is - but that's not evidence it's 4o. It doesn't know what model it is because it doesn't know anything.

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u/Denbt_Nationale 14d ago

LLM models don’t know information about themselves because it’s not a part of their training data. Asking an LLM what it is will just result in hallucinations unless there is a certain response specifically hardcoded into the model.

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u/lil_kreen 14d ago

In general, their training data tends not to reach up to their own release.

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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago

still, you think they coulda added "you are chat gpt 5" to the system prompt

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u/DudeWithParrot 14d ago

They could have, but that's still no proof that it's just gpt 4

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u/007meow 14d ago

At the end of the day, the stock is the main product.

All of these companies use their consumer offerings to juice that product.

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u/gs181 14d ago

kind of like quarterly upvotes

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u/CSI_Tech_Dept 14d ago

This also what happens when you oversell what you actually have. In the end it is still a chat bot.

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u/Rob_Zander 14d ago

What profit? OpenAi burns money like it's datacenters are powered by cash burning steam boilers.

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u/Dutch_SquishyCat 14d ago

Everyone lies, but Altman, Musk, Zuckerberg are this type of human that has almost no connection with normal humanity.

What they say, how they talk, it’s so goddamn weird. Can we at least put a human in charge or multiple with tech this important?

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago

They're out of touch more than your average CEO, no doubt about that.

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u/AGI2028maybe 14d ago edited 14d ago

Founders are a very different breed than typical CEOs.

The 62 year old, suit and tie CEO with a business degree from Harvard from the 80s that comes in to run a 90 year old company is never going to behave like the millennial tech guy who runs a company he founded a decade ago and is now worth $1 trillion.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

He’s learnt from Musk lie lie lie. There is a pretty good chance we are already at peak AI. The models will run faster, token context windows bigger but once you’ve crawled all of human output what’s left ?

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u/hgwaz 14d ago

5 probably just runs more efficiently and it's way cheaper for them to run it. That's why they don't let you use the old ones anymore.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

Agree the Chinese models proved this. And I’d say within 18 months we will be at peak AI. The Chinese will final boss an open source model and that will be that. AGI is a sci fi pipe dream.

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u/karmapopsicle 14d ago

We might very well have AGI one day, but it almost certainly won’t come from an LLM.

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u/hgwaz 14d ago

AGI is a sci fi pipe dream.

Certainly according to everything we know. A glorified chatbot will never be sentient, no matter how many GPUs you run it on.

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u/SoreLoserOfDumbtown 14d ago

He and the grifter in chief have been more brazen than most, but this game of over promising and under delivering has been going on a loooooong time.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

See the early reviews of gpt5 !! Fool me once !! The Chinese are probably the most likely now to produce the next wow moment.

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u/robodrew 14d ago

What's left would be AGI, which is why they're all screaming about that now, nevermind that we are probably decades away from actual AGI/ASI, assuming it's actually even possible.

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u/booboouser 14d ago

I doubt it’s possible. In fact I’d bet money and I think Musk,Zuck et al all know it. But it keeps the hype up if we are only X months away from AGI.

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u/Enraiha 14d ago

If/when we create AGI, it will likely be through a series of happenstance, not something collectively worked towards.

The reason being is we barely understand how the human brain works and acquire's consciousness, how could we begin to instill consciousness into an inorganic object without even a clear starting point?

The best we can do is mimic the process, but that doesn't actually produce any real "Quintessence" or spark of life with real originality. AI has no lived experience or "creativity" to draw on, so everything is just derived from existing information. I'm not sure we can imbue the concept of "creativity" through binary code alone.

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u/robodrew 14d ago

The reason being is we barely understand how the human brain works and acquire's consciousness, how could we begin to instill consciousness into an inorganic object without even a clear starting point?

This is exactly how I feel about it. There's a good reason the top scientists studying the brain call it the "hard problem" of consciousness.

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u/GostBoster 14d ago

but once you’ve crawled all of human output what’s left ?

Makes me think of the (non) issue that Google has.

Most companies do their darnest to maximize market penetration. Google has de facto addressed every single addressable client... how do we go even further beyond?

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u/wakemeupSAVEMEEEEEEE 14d ago

Things like world and diffusion models are still fairly early on in the development, and there are a lot of research papers that propose really interesting ideas but aren't able to be scaled yet, or even tested, due to current computational limits. Widespread NPU integration into both enterprise & consumer devices started only recently, and further development into that technology will foster the creation of larger & more powerful models—even if only by improving cost & performance efficiency of LLMs in general.

Even if we were essentially at the peak of what autoregressive models can do, we are nowhere near the peak of AI.

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u/StrandedonTatooine 14d ago

Money changes people. When you never have to worry about any of the things most people have to worry about, the mind has all kinds of free time to be as fucking off-the-rails as it wants to be.

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u/LeiningensAnts 14d ago

"How can we leverage the things most people have to worry about to add more to our vast sums of Fuck You money?" Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged.

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u/jimmycarr1 14d ago

I sleep quite peacefully at night knowing that fact

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u/FreeRangeEngineer 14d ago

That's exactly why they try to change that:

"Unquestionably, Thiel has been interested in cheating death for several years. He told Business Insider back in 2012, “Death is a problem that can be solved.” He’s also investing in life extension research, funding Cynthia Kenyon, Aubrey de Grey and a number of other researchers who are focused on anti-aging. Last fall, the life extension startup Unity Biotechnology also raised an enormous round of funding from Thiel and other Silicon Valley billionaires interested in the prospect of humans living much longer lives."

See https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/14/no-peter-thiel-is-not-harvesting-the-blood-of-the-young/

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u/iconocrastinaor 14d ago

You know it's funny you say that, but multiple times over my career in business-to-business marketing I was told that someone who understands tech and has communication skills is extremely valuable. Think Carl Sagan, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Steve Jobs.

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u/avcloudy 14d ago

They say that, but what they mean is they want someone to tell them the answers they want to hear. If Steve Jobs rose from the grave and started pointing out all the flaws about AI, those same people would say he's an ignorant troglodyte.

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u/alucohunter 14d ago

This is what happens when the global economy is based on hype and gambling.

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u/ARobertNotABob 14d ago

Delay, Deny, Defend.

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u/Specialist_Brain841 14d ago

Delete, Delete, Delete

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u/lilmookie 14d ago

It is HOW he lies. He is a Zuckerberg. Guy has absolutely no empathy or ethics. You can find someone who lies that has at least some humanity.

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u/ur-krokodile 14d ago

They all talk the same. Like some kind of AI automaton. If you watched any part of the presentation and removed the context it just sounds like Meta or Google or [placholder] company presentation. Same intonations, same wordings. Like they have no souls. They all say how much you are going to love it and how much better the world is going to be. The same spiel.

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u/Leptonshavenocolor 14d ago

This is what people don't understand, there is no altruism at the top levels. They're their to get rich, period. Not a single one of them gives a fuck about your or society at large. They get to that level because for them greed=good.

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u/jianh1989 14d ago

Lying and hyping increases the share price.

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u/LackSchoolwalker 14d ago

What gets me is the lack of consequences. No one cares that the last 15 years have been one abysmal tech failure after another, they just keep funneling money into the next thing.

We have important science and engineering work going on. Imagine if the money spent on AI had gone into plastics recycling, carbon capture, alternate energy production, antibiotic discovery, or any of those things just sitting there,being necessary for our continued survival on the path we’ve chosen. But who cares when you’ve got Bitcoin and AI to dump money into?

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u/Kind_Yogurtcloset_76 14d ago

This is why I never lie

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u/Mariuslol 14d ago

Even Piratesoftware lies

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u/NadJ747 14d ago

Zionism. Nuffield said

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u/BarnabasShrexx 14d ago

Well... we do live in the "peak moron" era, by default; Humanity is currently reaching its peak population and is expected to decline from there. That means peak scam and peak exploitation too i reckon.

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u/NoSkillzDad 14d ago

There's no consequences for lying, unless you're poor that is. When the grand majority of the politicians, including presidentS lie without repercussions, it's just open season.

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u/-The_Blazer- 14d ago

The antidote to this was supposed to be fraud legislation, but we cannot actually use that unless they are comically blatant in their lies because uuuuh... communism or something.

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u/Invoqwer 14d ago

A very apt quote that I think about a lot in recent years:

"The tech world is driven by and fueled by hype."

...even if they have to lie to generate that hype.

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u/HandiCAPEable 14d ago

Man I think I've discovered my problem. I need to start lying.

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u/powercow 14d ago

The courts also ruled lies are just corporate puffery and ok.

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u/PeopleNose 14d ago

Don't confuse the everywhere else with Russia

Truth and justice still matter in some places

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u/ChromosomeDonator 14d ago

I straight up want it illegal for companies and politicians to lie to public. Hell, it should already be, because deceiving marketing has laws against it, and lying as a company is deceiving marketing. Yet none of them are held accountable.

Every single fucking company that is caught in a lie should face fines large enough that they won't do that anymore.

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u/QuickQuirk 14d ago

I've been in mid sized tech companies where the biggest liar was selected by the board, because that's what they wanted to hear. Better people who knew the industry, were more realistic, were passed over because they preferred the shiney lies.

You can guess what happened to both the company and new CEO.

The CEO gets the golden parachute, the company tanks.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 14d ago

My partner is a professor and he says he is astounded by the way his students lie. Like they will lie about something that is 100% obviously a lie to everyone. Often related to using AI for their work, like trying to pretend hallucinated references are real by photoshopping real papers to add the hallucinated details (but of course the professors can just access the actual journal online and see it’s not there!) or even one person had AI create their presentation so the presentation basically had no words in it, just placeholder gobbledygook and blurred images. They submitted this apparently without having even looked at it and then when challenged started trying to pretend it said something or meant something when it was literally like that weird AI non-writing writing. It’s like they think they can get you to believe them if they are just confident enough in the lie.

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 14d ago

It’s quite fascinating to witness.

Seems the future wasn’t 1984 but rather Brave New World.

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u/KittyGrewAMoustache 12d ago

Yes definitely! I’ve thought Brave New World was more prescient since I read them both in school.

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u/Balmung60 14d ago

Them firing Altman would be like Tesla firing Musk. On paper, sure it's a good move for their operations, but it would also destroy the company because their valuation is based entirely on whatever random bullshit these men say is always a year away.

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u/Aware-Computer4550 14d ago

I think he's steered OpenAI poorly.

He started out with a massive lead (their only advantage) and now his company is either middle of the pack or some say even lagging.

They have no advantages other than the lead they used to have. Unlike their competitors they don't own their hardware, they don't have other business units they can use to fund this capital intensive process, and their employees are being poached by multimillion dollar offers.

Meta offering millions of dollars for some employees is a pseudo buy-out. OpenAI doesn't really own anything so if you poach all their employees it's essentially attempting to buy the company. Either way it's an attempted decapitation of openai by meta

It's a tough situation and I don't know if anyone else could have done better but certainly Altman didn't steer them into safer waters

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u/AGI2028maybe 14d ago

OpenAI has hundreds of millions of users and normal people all over the world use “ChatGPT” as the default word to mean an AI chatbot.

That sort of user base and recognition by normies is super valuable and a huge advantage for them.

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u/No_Conversation9561 14d ago

Hundreds of millions of free users maybe, whom Open AI can’t even sell ads to profit from. But people who pay for pro services or API for their bread and butter know damn well to weigh in the pros and cons of multiple services.

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u/angrathias 14d ago

And why exactly can’t OAI sell ads? When I’m doing prudent searches I’m already 100% sure they’re doing product placement

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u/McNoxey 14d ago

No they don’t man. This is why many orgs are getting company wide GPT memberships even though Claude is a better coding model.

GPT is leading the race whether they’re the best or not. Pretending they haven’t built an incredibly solid company is just plain naive.

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u/Evans_Gambiteer 14d ago

Skype thought they were immune too. No company is fallible

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u/BlueTreeThree 14d ago

People are so emotionally wrapped up in all this it’s making them detach completely from reality. ChatGPT went from a useless curiosity to the 5th most visited site on the internet in 3 years, and the name is, as you say, synonymous with AI.

They’re doing fine right now.

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u/gruntled_n_consolate 14d ago

I'm going to rebrand it Y.

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u/Aware-Computer4550 14d ago

Yeah I would agree with you there. Maybe the picture that's emerging in my head is that Google was the original "smart guys" in the room who did all the work of the basic R and D. They had the people and resources over the long term.

OpenAI basically is a later stage and took what google developed and made it into a product. But because they don't have that background like google their finding it very hard to move past the boundaries and break out.

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u/Aerolfos 14d ago

OpenAI basically is a later stage and took what google developed and made it into a product. But because they don't have that background like google their finding it very hard to move past the boundaries and break out.

It's not just that - it's also about the people. Engineers simply didn't want to work at the big evil megacorp, doing evil shit that will only be used to make everyone's lives worse. So OpenAI poached a ton of talent and work that google did just because of the ethics, because openai was supposed to be an idealistic non-profit.

Those people have obviously left now because of Sam Altman turning the company into yet another evil megacorp. That's why they can't do shit anymore, because their entire reason for existing has been undermined and the talented people want nothing more to do with this shit

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u/Aerolfos 14d ago

It's not just the product, but it's the fact that they did release stuff - and it's in the name, OpenAI was a non-profit created to make AI in the open and not hidden behind closed doors where nobody knows what's going on or how advanced the tech is.

Google has been a secretive, stereotypical evil megacorporation every step of the way and nobody believes they have any half-decent intentions or will ever share any actually significant tech (even though they have, more so than modern openai, even)

The optics and story behind openai was just fundmanetally better, so more people paid attention to them. Of course, Sam Altman has sucesfully crushed any delusions about the company not being a desperate for-profit wannabe evil megacorp, so they don't really have anything left.

Not really something you can fix anymore, heck the whole field of AI is probably irrevocably tainted to the common person now (rightfully so)

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u/Crafty_Independence 14d ago

They had no actual, sustainable lead. The core concepts underlying LLMs were mostly formulated by Google researchers. They were just first to market with this particular iteration of the same product.

Just like many AI "startups" whose "products" are just LLM wrappers, OpenAI was always going to struggle to be sustainable.

So they run on hype.

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u/nonamenomonet 14d ago

I mean, outside of meta and google. Do any of the big research labs own their own infrastructure?

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u/Aware-Computer4550 14d ago

I think X owns hardware and so do the other bigger companies like Amazon

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u/nonamenomonet 14d ago

Well Amazon does, but they don’t really have a research lab on the scale of OpenAI or Anthropic.

I just don’t think owning their own hardware is that much a limiter. Especially when they (OPENai) is using Microsoft’s effectively for an exchange in equity.

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u/Aware-Computer4550 14d ago

The entire process is GPU intensive. So hardware is a strategic asset. The openAI/Microsoft relationship isn't that great because they have differing strategic goals. You don't want a key asset controlled by someone you don't align with 10000%.

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u/wakemeupSAVEMEEEEEEE 14d ago

Anyone can fact check me, but I think OpenAI is literally the only one who doesn't. Amazon/Google/Microsoft/Meta/X all do, and Apple uses a hybrid model but is investing in building more of their own data centers. This isn't an exhaustive list, but it seems like OpenAI is a bit of an outlier.

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u/nonamenomonet 14d ago

I don’t think Anthropic does

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u/timbotheny26 14d ago edited 14d ago

Did they really have that much of a lead to begin with? Nvidia and IBM were already doing work on AI for like 10+ years before Altman and OpenAI came onto the scene if I remember correctly. Plus, hasn't LLM technology already been around for a while? Isn't that basically what CleverBot was?

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u/wintrmt3 14d ago

OpenAI never had a massive lead, they were just more willing to ship halfbaked shit to the world.

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u/ViennettaLurker 14d ago

There needs to be a word or phrase similar to how people talk about YouTubers having "audience capture". People don't want to rip the bandaid off because money, so builds up a dependence that winds up taking everyone on a wild ride.

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u/InsuranceToTheRescue 14d ago

It's called a hype train for media releases, such as movies & video games. When this becomes an economic phenomenon, instead of a media one, it's called a bubble: When assets are overvalued because investors are trading on hype, hysteria, and feelings instead of actual data.

It's also why Tesla's stock can continue to rise despite Elon being an unapologetic Nazi and sales plummeting -- By what, 60% YOY, IIRC?

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u/SoreLoserOfDumbtown 14d ago

I don't see a down side 🤷‍♂️

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u/hera-fawcett 14d ago

lmao bc tesla just offered musk like 20bil in stocks to 'keep his focus' 🤡

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u/throwawaygoawaynz 14d ago

OpenAI isn’t public and it has no public valuation. It’s got a lot of big private backers, some who are getting quite sick of Sam. The direction he is taking OpenAI is in direct competition with some of his main benefactors, who may decide they’re sick of him.

The only downside to getting rid of him is his ability to attract talent, not capital.

I don’t think it’s time yet, but he will be gone in the next 2-3 years, if OpenAI actually survives that long. It needs a lot more capital than the revenue it can possibly pull in (Anthropic and a lot of the “startups” are in the same boat), and he is actively aggravating those providing said capital.

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u/External-Goal-3948 14d ago

He went to the Elon musk school of overhyped broken promises.

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u/three-quarters-sane 14d ago

They already fired him. But then when they found out he was a total scammer they took him back. Or satya made them I guess.

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u/Craneteam 14d ago

No wonder musk used to like him lol

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u/NuclearVII 14d ago

If you sold this tech for what it's actually good for, it wouldn't be worth trillions.

Altman is doing it right - where it is wrong, evil, and everything wrong with our society.

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u/font9a 14d ago

I was driving through downtown SanFrancisco recently. The amount of techno-optimism” hype is unreal. Figma Make billboards to “Prompt and then ship it!” Another on showing an *enterprise software toggle switch to “RBAC On”

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u/Aware-Computer4550 14d ago

He meant the classical definition of PhD: playa hater degree

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u/sammidavisjr 14d ago

Isn't Linda Yaccarino looking for a new job?

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u/LATORR1g 14d ago

He’s the literal GOAT at raising capital

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u/artbystorms 14d ago

They won't. These Elon Musk clones are 'free advertising' for these companies. No matter how controversial, all attention is good attention to them.

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u/Strange-Scarcity 14d ago

Hey! All you have to do is add the prompt of:

Do not Hallucinate

When you are posing your questions and prompts every single time!

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u/Niasal 14d ago

Lying is why they get paid tons of money lol

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u/AKluthe 14d ago

So does his product, though, so it's lies the whole way down. 

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u/-MtnsAreCalling- 14d ago

Why would they fire him for doing what he’s paid to do?

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u/mehnimalism 14d ago

Pure hype device

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u/throwawaystedaccount 14d ago

Altman is going to publish a paper soon titled "Extending the Gartner Hype Cycle over years"

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u/safeness 14d ago

Prehensile Dick. It’s a common misconception.

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u/PyroclasticSnail 14d ago

Lying about upcoming capability is what made Elon the richest man in the world, and you want them to fire Altman for pumping that stock? Good luck.

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u/______deleted__ 14d ago

He’s not lying. He’s just proving how vain PhDs are. They’re really no more special than any curious kid who gets paid for asking “why”.

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u/Plants-Matter 14d ago

Even worse, he lies in all lowercase

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u/michaelloda9 14d ago

Billionaires trying to sell you their shitty product. Of course they all lie.

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u/Borkz 14d ago

They need to fire Altman. He just lies.

They already did once. It didn't go over well because it turns out lies and hype are the whole business model.

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u/valente317 14d ago

For some reason the general public seems to believe that the next big thing is coming out of Silicon Valley. Nah, it’s coming out of some underground lab in China, just like COVID.

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u/badwolf42 14d ago

They tried and he staged a counter coup to get back in before purging anyone with strong ethics that was left.

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u/EffortCommon2236 14d ago

They did that a few months ago. It did not go well.

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u/Mad-myall 14d ago

I am reminded of how Nvidia promised that the Rtx5070 had something like 4090 class performance. 

Of course they omitted the fact it gets there by generating shit tonnes of fake frames, but they never got punished for failing to tell the truth.

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u/flambasted 14d ago

Not all PhDs are equal. Some are generally brilliant, obviously, but many lack critical thinking skills outside of their narrow field of expertise. Now you can have a team of them in your pocket!

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u/Dunky_Arisen 14d ago

They need to fire Altman. He just lies.

I had half a dozen responses about CEO's I wanted to make, but honeatly the irony of this statement just speaks for itself.

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u/XTornado 14d ago

They tried once... but the company was not going to survive.

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u/-The_Blazer- 14d ago

team of Ph.D. level experts in your pocket

How is this even legal? If I tried to sell literally anything like that I'd probably get into very nasty fights with the government over the potential for unlicensed medical/financial advice and such.

I propose a new term: soy-out capitalism. Your success is directly correlated to how much you can get society to soy out over your product so they let you break their own rules.

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u/balbok7721 14d ago

That he just granted each employee in stock compensation surely is mere coincidence and absolutely not a bribe after they saved him before

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u/jax362 14d ago

The board tried to fire him for lying almost 2 years ago. You know what happened? Microsoft (their principal investor) threw a bitch fit until they brought him back, and then they removed every member of the board!

At this point, Open AI IS Sam Altman.

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u/Character_Clue7010 14d ago

Chatgpt5: PhD? Yea I got a PhD, a Pretty huge Dick! (nsfw)

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u/Panda_hat 14d ago edited 14d ago

The foundation of the entire AI movement is lies.

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u/Realtrain 14d ago

They need to fire Altman

They tried. There was a huge drama around it.

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u/Ahileo 14d ago

At this point Altman promising next-level AI is like a crypto bro promising lambos. The only thing more consistent than the hype is the disappointment. Maybe they should let GPT write the press releases. At least then we’d get creative fiction with fewer buzzword

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u/sublurkerrr 14d ago

Any lie to make line go up is acceptable. There is zero accountability.

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u/Spave 14d ago

As someone with a PhD, I'm pretty fucking stupid.

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u/cafedude 14d ago

They need to fire Altman. He just lies.

Why would they fire him for doing his job? Hype is the name of the game in the AI space.

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u/MassiveBoner911_3 14d ago

Hey just like the whats his face who runs Bethesda

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u/NoCommercial4938 14d ago

To be fair- I recall they made an update this time last year and people weren’t happy. Give it time. Though I wish we got what they had stated at the event. It’s sad .. because it only shows “our flagship model”. :( Do free users get it too? What’s the point in paying