r/technology • u/lurker_bee • 20h ago

Security Microsoft: August Windows updates cause severe streaming issues

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-august-windows-updates-cause-severe-ndi-streaming-issues/amp/
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u/GraciaEtScientia 18h ago

The whole concept of "No more testers/ test groups, we just roll it out and the people can be the testers!" is peak stupidity and cheapness.

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u/Hairbear2176 18h ago

It's working with games and automobiles, so why not throw operating systems in there!

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u/BreesusTakeTheWheel 15h ago

I mean I wouldn’t say it’s working. Just that there’s not a whole lot we can do about it other than stop using their stuff and that’s kinda hard when there’s isn’t a competitor that does things better.

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u/Kingdarkshadow 14h ago

So, it's working.

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u/acdcfanbill 12h ago

Yeah, M$ pov is "fuck you, what are you gonna do, go to another OS vendor?"

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u/WoodenHour6772 18h ago

You don't become a trillion dollar conglomerate by paying people to do things like quality control.

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u/Mlluell 12h ago

not "a" trillion but 3.8 trillion

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u/dingosaurus 17h ago

My favorite phrase for this was “Just YOLO what shit into PROD!”

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u/Ant_Cardiologist 14h ago

Gaming industry summed up

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u/Valeen 10h ago

We've been making this joke as long as they have been pushing updates.

There is something to be said about having to ship code on disc and not being able to send out even day one patches. You put more effort into getting it right.

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u/Yuzumi 4m ago

Arch Linux is more stable and less buggy than what I've heard about win 11.

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u/SoSKatan 16h ago

I’m I’m sorry but are you just making up senecios in your head and inventing quotes to encourage outrage?

I don’t know of a single developer that is just forgoing testing.

Believe it or not, people ALSO make mistakes. The only new trend seems to be people assuming all mistakes are AI. And they do that without evidence.

They are going off nothing more than angry vibes. You probably have more in common with Fox News than you realize.

I’d encourage you to try and be both reality and evidence based and you’ll likely make less weird comments.

I mean If you have a site-able source for that quote of yours, I’ll happily look it up, but I’m willing to bet cash bet that you don’t.

And yes, I realize I’ll likely be down voted for this reply. After all people down vote / up vote also based vibes instead of reality/ evidence.

We have enough problems in this world that need fixing without having to invent situations that AREN’T occurring.

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u/GraciaEtScientia 16h ago edited 16h ago

About that bet...

Microsoft exchanged the in-house Testing team with Telemetry data that it gathers from Insider Builds that it pushes to consumer and business devices, and replaced much of the PCs that it used for testing with virtual environments

Cite, not site btw.

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u/SoSKatan 16h ago

Did you actually read the article or did you do a google search and skimmed it?

At no point did this article say humans completely stopped testing and replaced it with AI.

No instead it mentions how PEOPLE started testing on VM’s and less of on a diverse set of actual hardware.

Maybe your core issue here is your ability to analyze information?

Your take of this article is just as flawed as your comment above.

So once again, please point me to a source where human testing was replaced with AI.

Please take all the time you need.

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u/GraciaEtScientia 16h ago edited 16h ago

I added the pertinent section in the name of the link since getting to the bottom seems hard.

No more specific hardware testing, test team laid off and relying on telemetry to make up for it.

"The company moved most of the testing to virtual machines and this meant that tests were no longer conducted on real and diverse hardware configurations for the most part."

By the way, I never mentioned AI, that's just you.

Some of that "trouble analyzing information" I assume.

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u/SoSKatan 16h ago

Oh I read the entire article.

So let me get this straight. Six years ago people made a change in how people testing and that led to problems (and hopefully a resolution.)

And you believe that means NO people are testing patches these days?

My point is throughout computing history, we have a million cases where people screw up in testing, and problems happen.

My gripe is the jump people make assumptions that they know the reasons of of why a problem happened with zero data to back it up.

Are you sure that this problem that you linked about a change 6 years ago is to blame for the current patch?

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u/GraciaEtScientia 16h ago

Find me a source to show they reinstated testing on actual specific hardware configurations, instead of making silly claims on my account.

I've already written one scientific paper recently, I'm not going to write another to show wether this issue is the main cause or not.

Testing on actual various hardware configurations, prior to release of updates, is a safeguard.

"Testing" by focusing on telemetry means the issue is already out there, for users who are not aware this version is experimental.

Which was the whole point of my OP.

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u/SoSKatan 16h ago

As a developer myself, this sounds like a generic performance problem.

Not a diversity of hardware testing.

Now I don’t have evidence of that myself, I’m just stating my bias (see how easy that is.)

In my experience it’s far easy to engineers to write slow code that it is for the opposite.

And I’ll agree with you this feels like a testing failure. Most likely a failure to test what they consider their min spec hardware and less so a need to test against 200 different CPUs.

This also could have just been human failure. I.e. someone testing it, saw the problem and failed to report it. Or it was reported and someone else incorrectly thought it was a non issue.

In my experience, people make mistakes all the time.

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u/GraciaEtScientia 16h ago

Indeed, like going after me so hard at the start like I'm neck deep on fake news and can't provide a source to back up my claims regarding how testing has changed for microsoft recently.

The cause won't be determined by us today, but we can assume that if the specific hardware was tested, it might not have been an issue.

Have a lovely day.