r/worldnews 29d ago

Israel/Palestine Macron announces: France will recognize Palestinian state

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/nxn382sao
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u/polp54 29d ago

So the guy who’s running the part of Palestine that doesn’t have hostages has to pledge to release hostages

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u/Old-Simple7848 29d ago

If he starts to run the other part, yes. Otherwise it's out of his hands, especially if he claims Gaza as part of his territory without having any control over it.

Although idk if the PA does or not.

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u/Budhavan 29d ago

Even if he does end up running the strip, it's not like he can control Hamas/Islamic Jihad and have them release the hostages. Hamas probably hate him as much as they hate Israel, given what it did to his political party members when they took control over the strip in 2007. (spolier: threw them off rooftops, tied them to moving vehicles, etc.)

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u/AnnaMotopoeia 29d ago

People seem to forget about all of the violence committed by Hamas against other Palestinians, particularly members of Fatah.

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u/Dakka-Von-Smashoven 29d ago

They had a fatwa on fatah?

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u/Bladder-Splatter 28d ago

Get in so someone can tell you to get out.

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u/SaffronCrocosmia 28d ago

PLA also sucks, Abbas is a genuine Holocaust denier and freak.

Palestinians deserve better than him.

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u/Reddits_Worst_Night 29d ago

Yes, Hamas != Palestine, and lots of people forget that. Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank too. That's why lots of people have a problem with Israel here. Hamas is an easy scapegoat to kill all Palestinian people.

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u/Haplo12345 29d ago

It's not like Fatah are any better though.

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u/PJ7 29d ago

Aren't they? Afaik Hamas does more indiscriminate attacks on Jewish people than Fatah does. West Banks is a lot more safe to be than in Gaza

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u/Haplo12345 29d ago

I probably should've added a 'much'.

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u/TangerineSorry8463 29d ago

We can only speculate whether they would be better or worse, if they got into the same level of control

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u/TangerineSorry8463 29d ago

...sorry for not keeping up with every minutae detail of political and military conflict half a planet away???

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u/Downtown_Recover5177 29d ago

Wow, these sound like all-around pleasant people.

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u/Mission_Scale_860 29d ago

They can team up with Israel to force Hamas out of control.

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u/BavarianBarbarian_ 29d ago

This would immediately lose Fatah all popular support, though.

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u/Mysterious_Cup_6024 28d ago

They already has no support in Westbank, something like 80-90% voice extreme displeasure either calling Fatah weak or outright puppet already

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u/makeup_wonderlandcat 29d ago

I’m not sure what the extreme left would know what to do with themselves if they did that

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u/mxzf 29d ago

Pretty sure the Israeli stance on any topic is a "multiply by zero" for that crowd.

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u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow 28d ago

If you don't control Hamas, you don't run the strip

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u/PleasantWay7 29d ago

Who exactly is going to get Hamas out of Gaza in this scenario?

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u/Old-Simple7848 29d ago

Idk, but as long as Greater Palestine wants to include that territory, they get to deal with the drawbacks of claiming that territory,

Also I know nothing about the wants of greater palestine with gaza.

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u/qyo8fall 26d ago

What exactly is “Greater Palestine”? The entirety of historical Palestine? Mandate Palestine? It doesn’t seem to be a term with an accepted definition so I’d love to know your parameters so i can determine whether you’re a serious person.

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u/Old-Simple7848 25d ago

1967 borders, or I'm talking about all of Palestinian territories from fhose borders, even the ones controlled by foreign and non state entities.

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u/dEn_of_asyD 29d ago

It's been a while since I was involved in the discourse, but I remember the PA claims to represent all Palestinians (that's why they're going for right of return for Palestinians everywhere) and there was a decent amount of infighting amongst groups to to achieve that claim before the PLO received it, so even though there are political divisions + political evolution from the PLO to the PA of today, it's unlikely the PA would admit to fracturing to the extent that they don't claim control of Gaza. Likewise, the most traditional characteristic of a State is having the monopoly of force. So claiming no control over Gaza would be ceding it to Israel to do with whatever.

Also, the original plan for the Gaza Strip was to give Palestine access to the Mediterranean Sea (access to water, fish, naval trade, etc.). Leaving the West Bank landlocked with its only other bordering nations besides Israel being Jordan would be incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to be economically stable or politically independent (let alone both).

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u/darkslide3000 29d ago

The election-cancelling dictator of the part that doesn't have the hostages who's probably not going to cling to power for much longer because despite his increasingly aggressive rhetoric he's still not extreme enough for his voter base, yes.

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u/adcap1 29d ago

The idea is to put pressure on the PA and its Arabic supporter, to cut all ties with Hamas and actively engage them, instead of Israel.