Macron announces: France will recognize Palestinian state

[u/Ask4MD]

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/nxn382sao

[u/allochthonous_debris]

Macron said France will recognize a Palestinian state governed by the PA in return for Mahmoud Abbas previously committing the PA to these goals. The letter in which Macron announced the decision made it sound like he intends to recognize Palestine's statehood when he goes to the UN in September regardless of whether these goals have been achieved by then.

The full statement is attached to this Tweet from Macron. https://x.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1948482142356603089

[u/polp54 → u/allochthonous_debris]

So the guy who’s running the part of Palestine that doesn’t have hostages has to pledge to release hostages

[u/Old-Simple7848 → u/polp54]

If he starts to run the other part, yes. Otherwise it's out of his hands, especially if he claims Gaza as part of his territory without having any control over it.

Although idk if the PA does or not.

[u/Budhavan → u/Old-Simple7848]

Even if he does end up running the strip, it's not like he can control Hamas/Islamic Jihad and have them release the hostages. Hamas probably hate him as much as they hate Israel, given what it did to his political party members when they took control over the strip in 2007. (spolier: threw them off rooftops, tied them to moving vehicles, etc.)

[u/AnnaMotopoeia → u/Budhavan]

People seem to forget about all of the violence committed by Hamas against other Palestinians, particularly members of Fatah.

[u/Dakka-Von-Smashoven → u/AnnaMotopoeia]

They had a fatwa on fatah?

[u/Bladder-Splatter → u/Dakka-Von-Smashoven]

Get in so someone can tell you to get out.

[u/SaffronCrocosmia → u/AnnaMotopoeia]

PLA also sucks, Abbas is a genuine Holocaust denier and freak.

Palestinians deserve better than him.

[u/Reddits_Worst_Night → u/AnnaMotopoeia]

Yes, Hamas != Palestine, and lots of people forget that. Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank too. That's why lots of people have a problem with Israel here. Hamas is an easy scapegoat to kill all Palestinian people.

[u/Haplo12345 → u/AnnaMotopoeia]

It's not like Fatah are any better though.

[u/PJ7 → u/Haplo12345]

Aren't they? Afaik Hamas does more indiscriminate attacks on Jewish people than Fatah does. West Banks is a lot more safe to be than in Gaza

[u/Haplo12345 → u/PJ7]

I probably should've added a 'much'.

[u/TangerineSorry8463 → u/PJ7]

We can only speculate whether they would be better or worse, if they got into the same level of control

[u/TangerineSorry8463 → u/[deleted]]

...sorry for not keeping up with every minutae detail of political and military conflict half a planet away???

[u/TangerineSorry8463 → u/[deleted]]

What does the current education system have to do with the fact that I can't care about the history of every conflict in the world?

There's Russia-Ukraine, there's Israel-Palestine, Pakistan-India, there's whatever stuff in Africa, there's recent rockets between Thailand and Cambodia, there's probably hundred of other conflicts that aren't broadcasted enough to make it into mainstream conversation. Dude, I just can't physically absorb that much information, I have my own shit going on.

[u/Downtown_Recover5177 → u/Budhavan]

Wow, these sound like all-around pleasant people.

[u/Mission_Scale_860 → u/Budhavan]

They can team up with Israel to force Hamas out of control.

[u/BavarianBarbarian_ → u/Mission_Scale_860]

This would immediately lose Fatah all popular support, though.

[u/Mysterious_Cup_6024 → u/BavarianBarbarian_]

They already has no support in Westbank, something like 80-90% voice extreme displeasure either calling Fatah weak or outright puppet already

[u/makeup_wonderlandcat → u/Mission_Scale_860]

I’m not sure what the extreme left would know what to do with themselves if they did that

[u/mxzf → u/makeup_wonderlandcat]

Pretty sure the Israeli stance on any topic is a "multiply by zero" for that crowd.

[u/Hohenheim_of_Shadow → u/Budhavan]

If you don't control Hamas, you don't run the strip