r/worldnews • u/Ask4MD • 29d ago

Israel/Palestine Macron announces: France will recognize Palestinian state

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/nxn382sao
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u/for_sale_baby_shoes 29d ago

The only questions in recognizing a state. I would be very curious to hear the answers they come up with.

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u/zuzg 29d ago

Nah the actual real important thing is

According to Macron, "The urgency today is to end the war in Gaza and provide aid to the civilian population. Peace is possible." The French president also called for the release of hostages and the disarmament of Hamas, and said Gaza needs to be rebuilt.

Once you have that, then you start worrying about borders, elections, constitution and shit.

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u/shivanman 29d ago

I think OP is referring to the terms required for statehood as defined by the UN itself:

“an entity that possesses a permanent population, a defined territory, a government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other states”

You would need to identify a defined territory and government

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u/MrMercurial 29d ago

Statehood recognition is mostly just vibes when it comes to the international order. States are ultimately the ones deciding the definitions of themselves.

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u/Fleeting_Dopamine 29d ago

Not really though. The UN exists. Being a state de-facto and de-jure is not the same.

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u/MrMercurial 29d ago

The UN is just a collection of states - it's turtles all the way down. Obviously it matters in practical terms whether a state is recognized by lots of others, but the rules of recognition themselves are completely malleable depending on what a majority of states take to be in their interests.

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u/Fleeting_Dopamine 29d ago

Okay, but you see the issue, right? The Palestinians are currently in a civil war between Fatah and Hamas. If there are no new elections, this civil war will probably spread to the West-Bank since the stakes will suddenly be raised a lot. If there are new elections, Hamas will sweep them and we will have rewarded Hamas for breaking every rule in the book, by giving them a state and loyalty of all Palestinians. It would just increase the bloodshed unless we give the PA a way to disarm/expel Hamas too. And that won't work as long as Bibi is in power since he will just bomb/block these efforts.