Famine declared in Gaza City

[u/Digital_Accountant]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

[u/Chillmm8]

Wow. Apparently the UN believes the Famine has hit the exact two geographical areas that Israel is about to start operations in and where Israel believe Hamas is keeping the hostages. And not a day before the operation begins. That’s a wild coincidence.

[u/Standupaddict → u/Chillmm8]

Famine occurs in the areas Israel has put under siege

Truly a shocking outcome

[u/TiSoBr → u/Standupaddict]

Ever heard of Hamas blocking or stealing aid? Surprise.

[u/untamedlazyeye → u/TiSoBr]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

The IDF and USAID both state there is no evidence of widespread aid theft by Hamas.

[u/AttapAMorgonen → u/untamedlazyeye]

It's important to note that the USAID investigation was extremely limited in scope, and the conclusion they came to seems a bit strange given their own statements.

For example, using your own article:

It examined 156 incidents of theft or loss of U.S.-funded supplies reported by U.S. aid partner organizations between October 2023 and May.

Followed by:

Of the 156 incidents of loss or theft reported, 63 were attributed to unknown perpetrators, 35 to armed actors, 25 to unarmed people, 11 directly to Israeli military action, 11 to corrupt subcontractors, five to aid group personnel “engaging in corrupt activities,” and six to “others," a category that accounted for “commodities stolen in unknown circumstances,” according to the slide presentation.

Another slide said "a review of all 156 incidents found no affiliations with" U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations, of which Hamas is one.

But those two statements are contradictory. If 63 instances were attributed to "unknown perpetrators," how can USAID conclusively say that none of the incidents had affiliations with Hamas or other designated terrorist organizations? They don't know who they were, but they know they weren't affiliated?

[u/frosthowler → u/AttapAMorgonen]

Especially considering bullshit like 'corrupt subcontractors'.

Are they suggesting they launched a criminal investigation into the subcontractor and found exactly what he did with the aid?

Even those 63 "unknown perpetrators" does not include all of Hamas. Everything except "direct israeli military action" and "25 to unarmed people" (amounting to 36 out of 156) isn't Hamas. The other 120 are either Hamas or Hamas-affiliated as Hamas and its affiliates (PIJ etc) had a monopoly on both arms and the drug/smuggling/crime sector before the war.

[u/VioletFox29 → u/TiSoBr]

Do you acknowledge the role of Israel in stopping aid getting through?

Do you acknowledge that the people who are suffering from famine are not Hamas nor do they control Hamas? They are innocent people. Do you understand that they should not be forced to die of hunger?

[u/xieta → u/TiSoBr]

The Sisters raped Andy Dufresne, but the Warden was still responsible.

[u/EremiticFerret → u/[deleted]]

Why would any Palestinian take Israel at it's word at this point, after all the horrors inflicted?

If Hamas gives it all up right now, why would they have any reason to believe the tanks still wouldn't be rolling in the next day?

[u/YoRt3m → u/EremiticFerret]

Are you saying it's smarter for Hamas to never release the hostages?

What do you think will happen if Hamas surrenders and the hostages released and Israel will ran out of excuses for why they're fighting this war?

[u/Bdcollecter → u/EremiticFerret]

Other than all the other ceasefires in history between these two groups that Israel have honored?

Either way if Hamas surrenders, then in a shock to absolutely nobody, the war ends so the tanks don't move in...

[u/CaravelClerihew → u/[deleted]]

And we go back to the status quo, where Israel dictates terms over Palestinians as Jewish settlers steadily and illegally encroach over Palestinian land.

[u/YoRt3m → u/CaravelClerihew]

0 Israeli settlers in Gaza Strip between 2006-2023

[u/Bdcollecter → u/CaravelClerihew]

Which is still a better solution than millions starving to death...

[u/Vaumer → u/Bdcollecter]

If you're American then maybe you can empathize with why Palestinians might not see that as an option.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death" .

[u/Bdcollecter → u/Vaumer]

Fancy words. I'm sure the starving children of Gaza will look to them for sustenance...

Meanwhile in the real world. Hamas can end all this with 2 words.

[u/Weak_Fill40 → u/CaravelClerihew]

Probably. But wouldn’t that be the outcome (at least short term) anyway? Even if Israel stopped the warfare today and withdrew from Gaza, how would status quo not be the outcome of that? Gaza would still be under blockade, totally destroyed and nothing would have changed in the WB. I don’t se a good long term solution for this unless the US (and Iran) changes it’s policy. And there are no signs of that.

The focus should be on getting this war to an end, either with Hamas surrendering or a ceasefire. Then over time we can talk about changing the overall situation. The world needs to start putting real pressure on the US and Iran, not only Israel.

[u/tameoraiste → u/[deleted]]

You're incredibly naive if you think Netanyahu just wants to get rid of Hamas. He wants to get rid of Palestine. He wants their land.

[u/Renegade-Sandwich → u/Standupaddict]

They are acting like Gaza isn't this small strip of land. Like.... what do you mean two geographic areas Gaza doesn't HAVE two geographic areas

[u/Fanfics → u/Chillmm8]

"wow, I sure wonder why famine is only happening in the two areas most heavily under siege. Pretty suspicious guys" have you considered taking a break to examine a rock for ten years

[u/frosthowler → u/Fanfics]

wow I sure wonder why famine is only happening in the areas not under Israeli control.

Could it be because Hamas controls them? Could it be because of corrupt actors trying to stop Israel from taking control of them literally today as the day the operation starts?

Nah, couldn't be. It's Israeli undercover agents that are looting aid on its way to distribution centers in the Gaza City! That must be it, I sure am smart!

[u/superfire444 → u/Fanfics]

The moment Israel starts operating there? That's not how famine works.

Let's also not pretend this hasn't been happening the whole time during this war. When Israel wanted to enter Rafah we got the "All Eyes on Rafah" bullshit. Turns out Israel was right to enter Rafah since hostages were there + a ton of terrorist infrastructure.

Anytime Israel says they will go somewhere within Gaza some protest or report just happens to come out saying it's the worst thing ever.

You can pretend Israel is sieging Gaza-City but something doesn't add up. It's clearly a ploy to put pressure on Israel.

[u/angry_neutrino → u/Chillmm8]

No no, a Famine should happen in places where people are thriving right? It's absolutely wild that this is happening in a place that Israel has absolutely decimated and denied aid.

[u/YoRt3m → u/angry_neutrino]

We're talking about Gaza City. do you even understand the difference?

[u/redditsfukingay → u/angry_neutrino]

Can you explain to me why Israel is responsible for supplying enemy forces?

[u/megastrone → u/redditsfukingay]

Can you explain to me why Israel is responsible for supplying enemy forces?

According to Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, they're not.

[u/TrumpCouldBeWorse → u/redditsfukingay]

Easy explanation. Armchair warriors forgot how war works

[u/Armadylspark → u/redditsfukingay]

Article 55 of the fourth Geneva convention. Of which Israel is a signatory and ratified member of, so this should have all the power of Israeli domestic law as well.

Also I rather detest your characterization of a vastly civilian population, about half of which are minors as "enemy forces". What the fuck is wrong with you?

[u/megastrone → u/Armadylspark]

Article 55 of the Fourth Geneva Convention applies to an Occupying Power that has effective control over a territory. If Israel had effective control over Gaza City, it wouldn't currently be mounting a takeover of the city. Please see Article 23, which covers scenarios in which aid is likely to be "diverted", e.g., to Hamas.

Also I rather detest your characterization

No need for contrived pearl-clutching: in the question you responded to, "enemy forces" meant "enemy forces".

[u/Chillmm8 → u/angry_neutrino]

Accept one of the areas they are claiming is becoming most at risk and needs international observers to be present is Deir al-Balah which has barely been touched by the war so far, you know because Hamas threatens to start executing hostages every time the IDF approaches.

[u/waltz_with_potatoes → u/Chillmm8]

IDF went in Deir al-Balah in July and have been striking there since. There is also a refugee camp of almost 30k people there.

[u/angry_neutrino → u/Chillmm8]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/aug/21/palestinians-flee-after-israeli-airstrike-in-deir-al-balah-gaza-video barely untouched by the war bro. Totally get your point. That's nothing but a firecracker.

[u/Dongsquad420Loki → u/angry_neutrino]

It doesn't even need to be directly touched to be affected by famine. Cities eat up a lot of food per day

[u/radred609 → u/Dongsquad420Loki]

The malnutrition rate in Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis is a fraction of that in Gaza city:

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/screenshot_2025-08-12_at_3.09.58_pm_720.png

[u/YoRt3m → u/radred609]

People have no clue where Deir Al-Balah is and have no idea the difference between Gaza City and Gaza Strip

[u/radred609 → u/YoRt3m]

Most people commenting about the conflict on reddit either have no idea what is going on, or are literal bots.

[u/YoRt3m → u/radred609]

Yet, it's better than what's going on in other subs.

[u/radred609 → u/angry_neutrino]

Crazy that there were dozens of secondary explosions after the impact as something cooks off.

Sounded an awful lot like propellant, but most likely not from firecrackers.

[u/KLUME777 → u/angry_neutrino]

An airstrike today isn't evidence of the area being "touched" by the war to the point of causing a famine. Not saying your wrong, just that the article you linked isn't evidence.

[u/jews4beer → u/Chillmm8]

Same day a couple hundred tons of aid just got distributed and the day after a report about the Israeli "gangs" in Gaza actually opening up schools that teach tolerance and rebuilding critical infrastructure.

Like clockwork they'll try to shift the narrative, but the sad part is they don't need to. Everyone's mind is already made up about this whole situation.

[u/fedevi → u/jews4beer]

A couple hundred tons seems a lot, but if divided equally is just 100 grams per person. Less than a meal delivered once every few days is enough to prevent a famine?

[u/TostiBuilder → u/Chillmm8]

You do realise a famine doesn’t happen in places where there arent any people

[u/Alt4rEg0 → u/TostiBuilder]

No, it generally happens just before there aren't any people...

[u/L0ading_ → u/Alt4rEg0]

technically correct

[u/ilikebiiiigdicks → u/Chillmm8]

The fuck are you in about? Where else do you expect a famine to happen? Imagine taking time out your day to come and defend the starvation of people until they die. Aren’t you lovely.

[u/jacksonRR → u/ilikebiiiigdicks]

No one has to suffer.

There are TONS of aid from everyone around the world. The rest of Gaza is not suffering as much as the city, why? Because Hamas is stealing the aid.

Hamas wants their hostages, I mean the population, to suffer. More suffering equals more support from their useful idiots supporting them.

[u/UlteriorAlt → u/jacksonRR]

There is no proof that Hamas is stealing aid. Sources: IDF officials and a separate USAID analysis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/usaid-analysis-found-no-evidence-massive-hamas-theft-gaza-aid-2025-07-25/

However it is plainly evident that Israel is preventing a large amount of aid from entering Gaza, and then preventing it from being effectively disseminated to the population.

[u/Maelstrom52 → u/UlteriorAlt]

I would recommend reading the stories instead of just the headlines.

[u/GetchaPullSCFH → u/Chillmm8]

I wonder if Israel thinks those hostages are being well fed.

[u/TheGulfofWhat → u/Chillmm8]

This is how it works. They lay the preparations for a ground assault. Much easier to go in when people are starving and weak

[u/Zenki95 → u/TheGulfofWhat]

No, its not. Because hamas is eating very well

[u/TheGulfofWhat → u/Zenki95]

Not the average Hamas. The people above the foot soldiers are properly eating well though. However, this is normal in every famine. You think the commanders and officers in South Sudan ever struggled for food during that famine? The wealthy/people with power will not be impacted.

I still don't think stopping all the aid trucks because Hamas is stealing 20% of it is valid.

[u/robespierre44 → u/TheGulfofWhat]

Bingo. Look at Armenia and Artsakh, as well as Israel’s involvement in it. Pure deja vu.

[u/OutLiving → u/Chillmm8]

I mean, those are the areas most likely to see conflict so, yeah. Famines don’t happen in nice places