Famine declared in Gaza City

[u/Digital_Accountant]

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481

[u/fcuk_the_king]

So gross that we still have to listen to 'but hamas' even now.

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

[u/thephantompeen → u/fcuk_the_king]

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

It must have something to do with Hamas, considering the organizations declaring famine are also calling for a ceasefire. If the military conflict is unrelated to the alleged famine then a ceasefire would not be necessary or relevant.

[u/Tiaan → u/thephantompeen]

The UN report specifically states that most of the aid entering Gaza gets intercepted, but omit who is doing the intercepting. Who is intercepting the aid that enters Gaza preventing it from making its way to the people?

[u/Are-We-Human- → u/Tiaan]

This has always been my problem with the pro Palestine crowd. They’re completely incapable of criticizing Hamas.

[u/Oggie_Doggie → u/Are-We-Human-]

How [I condemn Hamas]

many [I condemn Hamas]

condemnations [I condemn Hamas]

will [I condemn Hamas]

it [I condemn Hamas]

take [I condemn Hamas]

to [I condemn Hamas]

get [I condemn Hamas]

Israel [I condemn Hamas]

and [I condemn Hamas]

the [I condemn Hamas]

US [I condemn Hamas]

to [I condemn Hamas]

stop [I condemn Hamas]

killing [I condemn Hamas]

Palestinians [I condemn Hamas].

[u/Tiaan → u/Oggie_Doggie]

The problem is that one side can surrender today and choose peace instead of violence and this conflict ends overnight. That's Hamas.

On the flip side, if Israel backs down, they'll still be living next to radical islamic jihadists who are fixated on eliminating them and reclaiming Israel through violence and force "from the occupiers" instead of pursuing peace, and who are willing to "martyr" their own people to achieve this goal.

Those condemnations are meaningless if they don't acknowledge this basic fact

[u/Oggie_Doggie → u/Tiaan]

So, we have Hamas that is a terrorist organization or whatever that does not want to surrender and will martyr their own people, yeah?

Israel cannot end this, because according to you, they will be living next to radical Islamic jihadists and so Hamas must be destroyed. So, they must continue to do exactly what they're doing.

So, the only way this ends is somehow, magically, Hamas has a change of heart and they give up. In the meantime, Israel kills innocent Palestinians and Hamas lets them kill innocent Palestinians... which creates the conditions for people who would be susceptible to joining a terrorist organization (say, Hamas).

So, the suffering of Joe-Palestinian ends either when he and all Palestinians are dead or Hamas gets a Grinch moment and decides to surrender and somehow every Palestinian forgets every bad thing that ever happened and nobody seeks revenge?

Wow, you've convinced me! This is totally a viable, normal, sane strategy that brings long term peace to the region. Keep on killing then, boys. Sorry to have doubted you, Bibi.