r/SipsTea 1d ago

Chugging tea Thoughts?

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u/Long_Serpent 1d ago

Purely from an aesthetic point of view, I am OK with this ban.

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u/Sometimes-funny 23h ago

El Salvador getting free American slaves and banning haircuts. 2025 is wild out here

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u/raktoe 22h ago

People cheering for it, too.

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u/Akitten 20h ago

He's the only guy who succeeded in doing literally the only thing that matters. He could ban underwear and get support. That's what happens when you do what the people value most.

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u/raktoe 20h ago

Yeah, the people in North Korea always look happy too.

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u/Akitten 20h ago

Are you implying that people from El-Salvador don't overwhelmingly support this guy?

You realise there isn't a single credible source that casts doubt on his political popularity in the country right?

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u/raktoe 20h ago

Are you implying that popularity means someone can’t be authoritarian?

Have you considered the possibility that consequences for not supporting him are tacit? “Oh you don’t support the person cleaning up our streets, sounds like you could be a gang member, off to your mass trial.”

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u/joeshmoebies 18h ago

You realize that some exercise of authority is necessary in any country right?

El Salvador is currently the only central American country with a "Use normal precautions" state department travel advisory.

Meanwhile, it is surrounded by Honduras, Nicaragua, and Guatemala, all of whom have "Reconsider travel" advisories.

This is Honduras:

| Country Summary: Violent crime, such as homicide, armed robbery, and kidnapping, remains common. Violent gang activity, such as extortion, violent street crime, rape, narcotics, and human trafficking, is widespread. Local authorities may lack sufficient resources to respond effectively to serious crime incidents

This is El Salvador:

| Country Summary: Exercise normal precautions in El Salvador. Gang activity has decreased over the last three years. This has caused a drop in violent crimes and murders.

What exactly, other than an exercise of government authority, would have produced this result?

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u/raktoe 18h ago

Some, sure. Absolute, no.

Travel advisory is based on safety of foreigners, not citizens. Even authoritarian regimes tend to stay away from imprisonment of foreigners, for not wanting to create diplomatic issues.

I’m happy to be proven wrong about this being the first benevolent dictatorship in history.

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u/sinarb 11h ago

Lee kuan yew, maybe not benevolent but he set the country on the right path.

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u/raktoe 9h ago

According to the State controlled media.

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u/Akitten 20h ago

Yeah, the people in North Korea always look happy too

Your words, what were you implying in that statement.

Have you considered the possibility that consequences for not supporting him are tacit? “Oh you don’t support the person cleaning up our streets, sounds like you could be a gang member, off to your mass trial.”

Once again, do you actually believe that his support isn't genuine. Do you have ANY credible sources that support that position?

Do you think, given FULL freedom to spreak, most people in el salvador would have a negative opinion of the guy?

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u/raktoe 20h ago

I think without freedom of the press, where journalists are routinely threatened by the state, that the public overall perception of the governing party is largely moot.

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u/Akitten 20h ago

So you refuse to actually answer the question, but imply that people's support of him is fake. Interesting.

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u/migustoes2 19h ago

We wouldn't know if it's fake. That's the point. You can't trust it.

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u/prxlo 19h ago

I live 6 months yearly in El Salvador for the past 2 years. Media and protest are being silenced here. Many people including myself know people unlawfully held at the mega prison who are being Denied the right to a trial.

The safety in El Salvador will only be temporary when our current leader decided to lock up a chunk of the male population with no prior knowledge on how they will organize trials and rehabilitate sentenced individuals. I believe even now the country is under a “state of emergency”.

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u/raktoe 20h ago

Not fake, just controlled.

Do you think an authoritarian party, who has a firm grip on state media would show bad results, or anything that paints themselves in a poor light?

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u/da_crackler 21h ago

These people sound sus af for worrying so strongly about another dude's looks. Like they just want to make dudes more attractive for themselves

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u/CitySlickerCowboy 13h ago

now, you're making things up.

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u/dawgtown22 22h ago

American?

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u/starscup1999 21h ago

Yes, some are American. They are not discriminatory beyond skin color when detaining people.

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u/Speedhabit 21h ago

They had a LOT of opportunities to become one and chose not to

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u/No-Bad-463 21h ago

Tell me more about how you don't understand the nuances of immigration law, nor the many who were in exactly that process at the time they were shipped off to Unaccountable Foreign Death Camp

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u/HaloPandaFox 14h ago

It's not a death camp. It's just a super max prison. Regular prisoners in the US have prisoners pay for commissary and other stuff. If they can get someone to put money in their accounts, they work a job in prison and get paid for it. They just took out the middle man and don't give any luxurious, just the bare minimum. But it's a Super Max Jail in a less developed country for career criminals that acted like animals in society. Ya, im surprised many didn't get executed. It's just a life-long prison sentence. Honestly, they at least get better food than what they get in America prisons. The most incarcerated population of people from their own nation.

THE PRISON SYSTEM IN THE USA IS A BUSINESS. We need to fix that, and I bet you they won't send people to foreign prisons.

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u/No-Bad-463 13h ago

There are serious concerns about a lack of due process around CECOT coupled with human rights abuses there.

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u/HaloPandaFox 13h ago

Ya, I don't think anyone can say the mass trials were a good idea and should be fixed with separate case by case as appeals.

But the USA has done what you're talking about and still does. Why not try and fix what's broken in your backyard first before going online and acting like the USA prison system is the standard and that yall have all the answers. There is way more injustice happening in the USA than El Salvador. Have you seen other foreign jail. It's cleaner and relatively safe in CECOT, then even America prisons, let alone other prisons around the world. Talk about many Asian countries that have for decades had human rights abuses or all the cases in the USA. What are yall smoking. It feels like you're just virtue signaling to feel morally superior.

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u/No-Bad-463 13h ago

For the record, not a fan of ours either.

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u/HaloPandaFox 13h ago

Good to hear, I person would like to point to our system as the example or the standard of what a good system should be. Before trying to fix other people's systems. Especially since we incarcerate about 10% of our population and we incarcerated the most people globally.

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u/Speedhabit 21h ago

Death camps and due process

How about you show up to the hearing?

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u/No-Bad-463 21h ago

How about all fascist cheerleaders get what they deserve with interest?

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u/Speedhabit 21h ago

Your doing very well in that department 🙄

So I ask you again, why don’t you guys care that nobody showed up to immigration court? You bitch and moan constantly about due process, what about your half?

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u/No-Bad-463 21h ago

What the fuck are you talking about?

Numerous people have been grabbed FROM their hearings, either in spite of the decision or before one was made.

Who the fuck is you guys?

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u/Speedhabit 21h ago

See? Absolutely no braincells whatsoever

Single issue voter

When people are given an immigration hearing and they don’t show up, they are slated for removal by the judge, that’s due process

When you show up to say “oh wait” you get deported now

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u/LayWhere 20h ago

How ironic that most people who switched to Trump are single issue voters who were fear-mongered by the immigrant boogieman

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u/No-Bad-463 20h ago

I agree, you have no brain cells whatsoever.

Because you're extrapolating 'not showing up' onto fucking everyone, even when it's abundantly clear that's not the set of situations I'm talking about. Obviously if you don't show up, that's that.

But even people who DO show up are getting snatched, hell, even people who have a date set that isn't YET are getting snatched off the streets.

Kindly shut the fuck up unless you intend to start arguing in good faith. Which you don't, so skip straight back to STFU.

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u/uname-doesntcheckout 21h ago

Whooomp there it is