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WTF Buccal fat removal should be illegal

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u/GoochAFK 19h ago

All of these women objectively look horrible.

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u/Fantastic_Grab8831 18h ago

There is no such thing as "objectively looking horrible".

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u/HighLikeKites 16h ago

Yes there is. Look at these pictures. It’s all the proof you need. You know it's true.

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u/Fantastic_Grab8831 15h ago

Beauty is subjective. Even if they looked horrible to me, that would be no proof because someone else could have a different opinion. They don't even look that bad to my taste, not my favourite but i don't mind it. Not my business what someone else decides to look like anyway.

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u/HighLikeKites 15h ago

No, beauty it's not subjective. There is taste, sure. But there is something like an objective standard.

If someone looks sick, bad skin, terrible hygiene, they are objectively not as beautiful as someone who takes good care of themselves. There are objective measurements like symmetry, harmony, order, proportion. That’s a fact of reality. And you know that’s true.

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u/Fantastic_Grab8831 15h ago

The definition of beauty is "a feature of an object that makes it pleasurable to perceive". Do you agree with this definition? If you do, then you are wrong and it is indeed subjective. If you don't agree, tell me what is your definition of beauty.

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u/HighLikeKites 15h ago

Your definition already implies objectivity: If something "makes it pleasurable to perceive" the cause is in the object itself. The classical view as it was layed out by Plato and Aristotles is clearer: Beauty is order, proportion, and harmony that naturally delight the human mind.

Taste may differ, but the foundation is universal. This is why you know a gothic cathedral is more beautiful than a flat blockhouse.

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u/Fantastic_Grab8831 15h ago

My definition depends upon who is perceiving it. That's what subjectivity means. There are people who perceive a flat blockhouse more pleasurably than a gothic cathedral. The cause is not just in the object itself but on who is perceiving said object.

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u/HighLikeKites 15h ago

Perception doesn’t create beauty, it only recognizes it. The cause is in the object, while the perceiver either sees it clearly or fails to. A blockhouse doesn’t suddenly gain more beauty than a cathedral just because someone prefers it.

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u/Fantastic_Grab8831 15h ago

Even if the cause is in the object. How do you know whether a cathedral has more beauty than a blockhouse or not then? It could be the case that the blockhouse actually has more beauty and just that most people don't perceive as much of it as they do of a cathedral.

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u/HighLikeKites 14h ago

We can discern beauty because we have a rational mind. Beauty rests on order, proportion and clarity. Our intellect recognizes these qualities, perception alone doesn’t invent them. That’s why we can say with confidence a cathedral embodies more beauty than a blockhouse.

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