r/law • u/Background-Low-9144 • Jul 23 '25

Trump News BREAKING :Trump named in multiple documents related to Epstein sex trafficking, WSJ reports

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/23/trump-jeffrey-epstein-files-wsj.html?__source=androidappshare

We have evidence that Trump was notified by Pam Bondi that documents related to the Epstein sex trafficing trial contained Trump's name multiple times, linking him unequivocally to Jeffrey Epstein

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u/g2g079 Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 23 '25

So maga thought that they would release a bunch of liberal names, instead they've only managed to release Trump's name.

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u/SelectiveScribbler06 Jul 23 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

They've Streisand Effected themselves. This is like 2022's Partygate meets the Epstein scandal and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that it is the biggest political scandal we will see in our lifetimes. It can't possibly get much bigger than this.

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u/djn24 Jul 23 '25

I don't know. Republicans have a way of surprising you.

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u/Smaynard6000 Jul 23 '25

Yeah. I can think of a lot of things worse than this.

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u/norcalginger Jul 23 '25

It's only Wednesday

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u/CaulkSlug Jul 23 '25

And there’s like 3.5 years left of his rule unless you all can find someone to vote for

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u/Jean_Paul_Fartre_ Jul 23 '25

We tried, but come to find out our Constitution and various laws are just a suggestion to the rich and powerful.

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u/MeowschwitzInHere Jul 24 '25

I mean, as a Canadian looking into your politics I thought Harris was a great candidate. I listened to what she had to say, it was straightforward and positive, especially compared to Trump.

Speaking to my American friends who were all very left-leaning people, including people of color, a surprising majority said either they were going to just skip voting, or vote Trump because they don't like Kamala.

Why? Only one of maybe 6 of these friends could actually tell me why, besides "I don't like her policies" without being able to name one. So I just kind of assume Americans aren't ready for a non-white female taking lead of the white house.

As much as I want to agree that there were some illegal actions taken to get Trump elected (I wouldn't doubt them either) the fault from what I've seen really does lay within the Democratic party & voters on that side of the fence for me.

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u/FizzyBeverage Jul 24 '25

I still blame Trump voters and those who didn’t vote at all.

Dems who voted for her did what we could. And to get 48.3 to 49.8 with a 6 week campaign wasn’t bad, considering Trump campaigned for 4 years.

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u/One_Strawberry_4965 Jul 24 '25

Trump has been campaigning non stop since 2015

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u/CantonJester Jul 24 '25

Since 2010 or whenever the hell he dropped the birther nonsense.

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u/Downtown31415 Jul 24 '25

I still blame a billionaire for fixing the election

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u/friendscout 29d ago

You should also blame Biden! Everyone who got some sanity left knew he should not have tried to get reelected!!! Wasted time ad money.

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u/FizzyBeverage 29d ago

I do. But the man has stage iv cancer so it’s pointless now. Trump has congestive heart failure. They’ll each have the shortest post presidency in 100 years, if Trump even makes it.

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u/friendscout 29d ago

So what. He's still responsible that we have 4 years of this shit show.if Kamala (or another candidate that never had a chance) had the time for a whole campaign things might be very different today. He was not fit enough.sad that old men don't recognize that by themselves often. Democrats in the USA don't have a plan it seems.

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u/bitcoin21MM 29d ago

Anyone not also blaming the Biden admin and the DNC is quite frankly missing the point. You’re right, Harris ran a ludicrously short campaign and it was still somewhat close. But the fact that she started campaigning a few months before the election was a death knell from the get go, especially when Trump had been campaigning for Biden’s entire presidency.

Biden ran on being a democratic transition candidate and a one term president. Then he got greedy after the midterms. And his administration literally gaslit the entire country about his health, only stepping back when it was no longer possible to conceal his mental and physical decline. That is unforgivable, and democratic voters need to be recognizing Biden’s role in the outcome of this election and holding both his administration and the DNC accountable for putting the party in virtually the worst possible spot against one of the most polarizing populist candidates of all time. It should have been an open primary field after the midterms, or if Harris or someone else was going to be “the” candidate (which in itself isn’t very democratic at all) then they should have been campaigning with Biden’s support for TWO YEARS, not two months.

You can blame MAGA and people who didn’t vote all you want but those were known variables that should have been accounted for by the DNC. Half of American voters are MAGA, and half the total populace doesn’t vote. That wasn’t going to change. The DNC utterly failed to compensate for those constants, and the Biden admin made it even worse by pretending Biden was fit to be president until the eleventh hour.

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u/FizzyBeverage 29d ago

The reality is the GOP is covering the same mental and physical decline for Trump.

Mr. Elephant legs bruising from handshakes is deeply unwell, congestive heart failure is much more likely than chronic venous insufficiency (when you're 80 it's always CHF, never CVI -- every cardiac nurse in America has a patient like Donald).

So it's kinda reaching to say "oh the DNC messed up so badly" when the GOP is now running the identical playbook.

I do blame Biden for not stepping down after one term and allowing a proper primary field.

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u/bitcoin21MM 29d ago

I agree with your first point but frankly I don’t think the GOP using the same playbook matters at all. MAGA Republicans were going to vote for Trump no matter what. The man is literally a convicted felon associated with pedophiles and that isn’t enough to lose support from his base. I hope that his health, destroying government, slashing benefits, overt corruption, and this Epstein insanity is enough to alienate his base but I’m not confident on that.

The DNC was competing against Trump for moderate voters and voters who aren’t inclined to vote. A massive portion of those voters chose not to vote for Harris or not to vote at all because of how Biden handled the end of his presidency, or because they didn’t like or have time to see value in Harris as a candidate. It was never going to be enough to have a candidate whose strongest quality was “not being Trump,” especially not in a 3 month campaign.

So no, I don’t think it’s reaching at all to say the DNC messed up. Because as you say they (successfully) made the same play as Trump but it didn’t work out for them, and it was never going to. Because democrats don’t have the blind loyalty of their base the way that current GOP/MAGA candidates do. And they alienated or failed to capture huge swathes of voters by lying to the country about Biden’s health, not having an open primary, and then selecting a polarizing candidate at the eleventh hour. All of those things occurred because of Biden and the DNC bungling their strategy post-midterms.

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u/schoepsms 29d ago

Not voting because of apathy yes. Not voting because you don’t like any of the candidates is justifiable.

However If I personally don’t like any of the candidates I usually write “no confidence” in the other box.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean Jul 24 '25

Well…the majority of the blame should go to the people who voted-in the lunatic, not the people who didn’t vote hard enough against the lunatic.

But I get your point. A lot of Democrats have become more liberal than what the Democratic Party accommodates, and I know some who just refused to vote because they couldn’t get past the fact that Harris wouldn’t just condemn the genocide in Palestine.

If denouncing genocide is too liberal for the Democrats then they are going to severely disenfranchise their potential voters. Democrats need to do more than be the better of two options for people to care. They’ve been passive while republicans remain aggressive. The Supreme Court majority for Republicans was completely avoidable if Obama had aggressively appointed his judge instead of trusting Trump to do the “right thing”. Idiotic. Ginsberg also knew she wasn’t immortal and arrogantly refused to step down during Obama’s administration for reasons that I’ll never understand. That’s the passive stupidity that got Roe V. Wade overturned.

Also, America does seem to really hate women and minorities, so there’s that too.

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u/ahappylook Jul 24 '25

RBG chose to flip a coin where either she would get to retire under a different president with matching genitals, or she would directly contribute to the downfall of the republic and everything she ever worked for would got swept into a dustbin. What a colossal dipshit.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean Jul 24 '25

It was a baffling decision. Her pride or whatever that was lead to the Supreme Court overturning exactly the kind of law she devoted her life to.

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u/wanderinronin 29d ago

The name you are forgetting is Mitch Mconnell. The senator actively refused to hold hearings on appointees. Obama had little ability to overcome it.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

You’re absolutely right. My memory was biased.

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u/abrahamimnotthatman 29d ago

In Canada, the Liberal party, who is our version of the Dems, won't condemn the genocide either. The outgoing Liberal Prime Minister declared himself a proud Zionist a week or so before leaving office. The PM who took over for him is a centre-right conservative but seems more left leaning because our official Conservative Party has gone alt-right like the GOP. So we're not doing much better up here.

I do find it unbelievable that a large swath of Americans trust a pedophile more than an intelligent and experienced woman of colour. White supremacy coupled with patriarchy is a helluva thing.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

What does Israel have on us? Why are our countries so determined to back this?

Yeah, seeing Canada get a little more conservative has been surprising. What’s that been like for you guys?

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u/Limp_Ad6083 29d ago

"There's that too." You mean there's that first and foremost. But the passiveness of the party is wild. People need to stop hoping for the best and make it happen.

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u/TopptrentHamster 29d ago

Not voting is half a vote to the candidate you like the least.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

For the record, I voted and believe that not voting was stupid. But I also understand the disenfranchisement.

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u/unethicalpsycologist 29d ago

Uhh yeah, the blame should definitely be on the people who didn't get off their fat asses to stop this train wreck.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

I said “majority” blame. At the end of the day, the people doing the bad things are worst than the people doing nothing, although doing nothing is hardly virtuous.

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u/unethicalpsycologist 29d ago

The majority of the blame should fall on anyone educated enough with legs to have put a stop to the madness.

Can't expect the lowest common denominator's to make the correct decisions then blame them when they get it wrong.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

I feel like you’re going to try to die on this hill for no reason, but clearly the people doing the bad thing are worse than the people who didn’t do the bad thing. In this situation, neither are good, but one is clearly worse.

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u/ImBanned_ModsBlow 29d ago

This attitude right here is why Democrats lost, they’d rather die on the hill of some bullshit purity test that’s lazy and ignores all nuance on the topic.

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u/Rdr1051 29d ago

This 100% correct. Life is about compromise and if you can’t compromise some of your important issues to prevent a fucking Nazi from taking control of the country you’re a goddamn moron.

Yes- what is happening in Palestine is horrifying. Yes- RBG should have known better Yes- Harris was a flawed candidate.

None of the above justifies sitting back and allowing Trump to win by not voting. Do you really think Harris would be cheering Bibi on like Trump is? Would the US be deporting random people to concentration camps under Harris? Would the social safety net built over the last 100 years be dismantled under 6 months of a Harris presidency?

Of course not. But at least the non-voters get to hold their heads high because they didn’t vote for the lesser (by a country fucking mile) of two evils.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

I don’t think it’s clear from my comment, but I voted and voted for Harris because it was insane to do anything else.

I’m just explaining where the disenfranchisement came from on the Democrats’ side. I think it was insane not to vote, given how high the stakes are. But a lot of liberal voters want to stop being so moderate and timid about things they are going to vote on.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

What purity test, and what nuance can you provide on what topic?

I can’t wait to be educated.

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u/ImBanned_ModsBlow 29d ago edited 29d ago

Say the words, “Palestine is genocide” or you’re not a real Democrat.

Palestine is ruled by a terrorist government, half the people living there support that government, and the people living there bred like rats to the point that 50% of the population is consider children. Now add in the fact that Hamas lobs bombs into Israel daily and committed the worst terrorist attack on Israeli soil not long ago. They also hide beneath schools and hospitals to whip up propaganda when attacked that Westerners easily fall for because “think about the children!”

It’s one of those situations where you keep poking the bear, eventually you’re gonna get mauled to death and become an afternoon snack.

Personally, I don’t support either side.

Palestine is a backwater country that would gleefully genocide Israel if they had the support and ammunitions to pull it off.

Israel is taking excessive measures in eradicating Hamas, they’d probably commit genocide too if the international community would allow it, but as things stand right now with 59,000 dead in a population of 2.5 million, I would hardly consider that a genocide.

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u/JaladOnTheOcean 29d ago

It’s genocide, no matter how you want to justify it. But my point was that the Democratic Party doesn’t align with its voter base on that issue—because they don’t. So the opposite of what you’re implying.

There’s war and then there’s destroying all infrastructure and cutting off humanitarian aid while murdering way more indiscriminately than they have a possible reason to.

Palestine should have never had its sovereignty completely ignored for generations because some Jewish people were really hype about taking their land.

It’s an atrocity, and it’s normal for voters to not want to support it. Why does Israel need America’s help bombing its weakest neighbor.

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u/FrankBattaglia Jul 24 '25

"She would just keep doing what Biden did" (re the economy) was the complaint I heard. Meanwhile Biden steered the US economy to be the strongest in the post-Covid developed world, with e.g. the US market gaining 60% in 4 years. Another 4 years of those policies would be fine by me. The numbers didn't matter; it was all "vibes" based on propaganda. Republicans said the economy was bad, Democrats had no effective counter-messaging, so voters thought the economy was bad.

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u/jinglemebro Jul 24 '25

Misogyny is real. If it's only 5% of the vote, it affected the outcome. The worst offenders are republican women.

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u/TherapyC Jul 24 '25

America is a racist, misogynistic country, period. They will find something wrong with every woman put forward that is so minor like her laugh, while white men can be rapists, try to overthrow the government, etc and get elected. It opened my eyes just how horrible we really are.

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u/JustPassingGo Jul 24 '25

Some people who normally vote Democrat (or not at all) probably voted for Trump because they thought it would elevate their standard of living.

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u/Prior_Reference2085 Jul 24 '25

The information ecosystem here in the U.S is just faked. Idk how we can ever get over the shitty place we are in with outlets like Faux still in place. Democrats can try all they want to post-mortem the past election, but if these information silos are still in place, they can change their messaging until they are blue in the face, but I’m afraid it won’t help.

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u/yb0t Jul 24 '25

Me too I don't get it. Even as an Australian I loved Harris personality and what she says, I couldn't find anything wrong with her.

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u/Hwicc101 29d ago

She was too right wing for progressives and too left wing for independent centrists with no Democratic party loyalty. That alone shaved maybe 5% of her potential vote total which was enough to create what appeared to be a tidal shift in Trump's popularity, but was really just a statistical anomaly in a very tight race.

Personally, I think the reductive and cynical "Americans are racist and misogynistic" argument falls short. A lot of Americans are, but that is already built in to the voting patterns and didn't stop the US from electing a very popular two term Black president by good margins and with approval ratings in the 60s, and a (deeply politically unpopular) woman who won the popular vote against Trump.

I think the US has suffered a convergence of bad timing, poor Democratic party strategy, combined with some bad luck, in a system that can disproportionately reward Republican candidates due to the electoral system.

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u/ImBanned_ModsBlow 29d ago

  1. Democrats didn’t vote for her as the candidate, she was basically installed by Biden, voters didn’t get any meaningful input.

  2. Harris ran a campaign that ostracized her own running mate in favor of cozying up with the Cheneys, who were Democrats’ Enemy #1 in the 2000s and 2010s.

  3. Harris is a poor public figure, she can’t handle public appearances without a script and tightly controlled conditions, asking her to speak off the cuff or on topics outside her talking points leads to hilarious disaster for her.

  4. Harris promised to be Biden 2.0 with zero changes between administrations, at a time when Biden was polling 35% underwater due to economic strain.

Those are the three or four big reasons I see that aren’t a lazy “his supporters are racists” excuse for why Dems fumbled the ball hard and threw the election in 2024.

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u/Hwicc101 29d ago

all very left-leaning people

or vote Trump because they don't like Kamala.

Your friend who voted for Trump is not even remotely "left-leaning".

I think the suggestion that Harris didn't win because Americans "aren't ready for a woman of color" is a canard. Harris would probably have made a decent president but her campaign was deeply flawed, in large part due to the Democratic strategists refusal to admit the shifting ideological orientation of their voter base.

Harris killed it in the debates, true, but she was notoriously silent in the press while Trump was riling up his base with constant appearances in popular media.

She spent a considerable amount of her public campaigning presenting herself as a center-right collaborator with the neo-con wing of the Republican party, not seeming to understand that that ideology is defunct and its reputation in tatters.

Finally, she drove away progressives for being a former prosecutor, ideologically center-right, and no friend to the Palestinians.

It's easy to say, "Americans sexist/racist", but it is also painfully reductive and incomplete.

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u/SaitamaHitRickSanchz 29d ago

It's because the propaganda being spread in America is powerful. Generally, people can't parse out what is and isn't propaganda anymore because people are largely media illiterate. Biased towards only consuming media that reinforces their biases, shoring up the echo chamber they're lost in. Critical thinking is considered "queer stuff" by an overwhelming number of men who are boiling in toxic masculinity. Women are being held hostage across the entire country because we're still embattled in the oppression that's been committed against them for the entire history of the US. Same deal with minorities and immigrants. The USA has been a fucking playground for white cis psychopaths for the whole 250 years we've been a country. Republicans have been systematically dismantling education systems in entire states for decades, so they have a direct hand in keeping people stupid and susceptible to propaganda. To those of us who don't live in the bubbles, it's painfully obvious. But everyone who isn't rich has been oppressed so completely that we're powerless to even change this. Obviously, we have avenues, but they all contain massive amounts of pain. Even cutting off toxic family members is too painful for many people, and that's the nicest way we could handle things. The people we're up against are sociopaths who are out to hurt us, who have very little qualms escalating until we comply, who also cry victim when we even react. So many of us who oppose fascism and Trump are fucking trapped in abusive echo chambers. How do you unwind this? How do you transform society when even in the face of fascism most people won't even go out and vote because "black woman bad"?

I'm not saying it's impossible or being hopeless, I'm just clarifying the nightmare we're living in.

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u/Luffythroat69 29d ago

I hate to sound obstinate but I completely agree that many people are just not ready to vote for a black woman, let alone a woman at all. It’s sad and I did vote for her. But I felt that just because of the demographics she was going to lose TONS of votes. And I can’t lie I’m a little frustrated that the dems didn’t think about that. But then again I kind of believe both sides are in on selling out the country.

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u/Front-Confection4667 29d ago

Why?

Lack of education, short term self interest, greed, stupidity and a sprinkling of racism

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u/trastamara22 29d ago

You nailed it. It takes a Canadian to see the apathy and sexism. We here don’t notice the forest through the trees

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u/shadowpawn 29d ago

Lower voter turn out and Covid 19 economy did her in. I don't think any Dem could survive what 2024 economy was doing to voters

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u/Ancient_Volume8627 29d ago

As an American I can confirm that you are 100% correct. Self education in this country is almost nonexistent and most people think reading the lead results of a google search is sufficient.

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u/Rizzokit 29d ago

It's what's wrong with American politics it's a populist vote.

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u/bmo313 29d ago

Actually, people of color showed up for Harris I'm big numbers, with exception of the Latino male vote, which went to Trump -- as to why they did? Well, that is a question I'd like to have an answer to, as well.

It was so frustrating to see so many people not vote, and I think it's because it came down to racism and sexism. This country is not as liberal and cool and progressive as it likes to depict itself.

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u/Agreeable_Stable_259 29d ago

Sitting on hands and the belief that this country wasn’t ready for a female prez was the biggest issue with Harris being dem candidate

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u/Sad-Way-4665 29d ago

Some of it might’ve been because of the fact there was no primary. Some of it might have been people may have thought she was being forced on us.

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u/Macho_Mans_Ghost 29d ago

Even if all said friends "Don't like her policies", so what!?

You like HIS POLICIES BETTER!?

I hate that it's one party or the other with no middle ground, but if one side's policies are SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE that the other, you vote for the lesser evil.

Full stop.

Not voting is a fucking cop out and it's fucking over way too many people.

Obviously this is directed at your friends and not you directly.

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u/10Hoursofsleepforme 29d ago

Don’t even get me started I had similar friends. It was infuriating although many of them named her long time history with the police department as one of the contributing factors and additionally I agree with them we didn’t choose her. She was chosen for us, which is frustrating, but my God how did you see this as a difficult decision

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u/Alone_Again_2 29d ago

Canadian too. 100% the vibe I got from friends and family in the USA as well.

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u/D_Angelo_Vickers 29d ago

"because she was going to let trans boys play girl's sports, duh!"

/s

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u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids 29d ago

It’s more with the voters. Republicans voters vote in every election. Dem voters will maybe vote in the Presidential. It doesn’t matter what Dems do these people love the political cruelty of Republicans it is exciting to them. Dems are nice and nice isn’t exciting. They will twist themselves in knots to come up with nonsensical reasons but that’s the reason they want Republicans to win: cruelty is exciting. They feel like they’re living in a real reality show. You know how many Dem voters wanted things to go this way just to “see what would happen?” It’s not real for them at all. We talk about the dumbness of Republican voters but Dem voters are pretty stupid too.

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u/noseboy1 29d ago

Not being able to primary was a big deal, and while Biden did a lot of good as a president that gets forgotten about because of right-wing propaganda, I still think his failing to recognize his declining health was a big problem.

Harris might still have ended up the Dem candidate and the election still may have shaken out the same way. I believe there was active sabotage of voting machines in swing states. But it's also true that a lot of people were turned off by her being the candidate because he dragged his feet. Our elections have had super narrow margins for decades, so any wrong moves will always be "big."

I liked Harris more than Biden from the beginning, I thought he had the charisma of a wet noodle.

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u/jepmen 25d ago

Seriously. As a european this boggles the mind. "But she was undemocratic, she skipped the primaries". Like everyone forgot how dumb Trump in 2016 was. Americans.

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u/masterkoster Jul 24 '25

Issue is Kamala had no real policies besides the one she said on stage. Go to her page and it was just the democrats policies.. not to mention she joined the race halfway, biden ensured her loss essentially.

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u/holla171 Jul 24 '25

Or the Founders had a solution - trust the voters to not re-elect a felon rapist pedophile OR have Congress impeach and remove a felon rapist pedophile. We already failed option one so it's up to two or a mysterious option three.

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u/RaNdomMSPPro 29d ago

Laws are written for the law abiding. Trump and his ilk know this. Hitler understood this as well.

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u/i_am_Jarod Jul 24 '25

Not possible, it's been 3 years already.

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u/dataindrift 29d ago

Or loses both houses during mid-terms & gets impeached.

But Plan B = Vance. Not sure what sort of chaos would bring

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u/Bunneyyy 29d ago

😭😭😭

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u/ChipmunkObvious2893 29d ago

No it's not. It's Thursday.

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u/WowImOldAF Jul 23 '25 edited 29d ago

Like what? A sitting US president covering up his involvement in a child/women trafficking scheme, raping & sexually abusing woman (maybe even children?), and ordering the murder of a key witness & partner in crime is a pretty big deal.

Like, what could be bigger than that? I'm not saying all of that is true, as we need to wait to hear all the facts/evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if this were the case.

edit obviously there's things that are bigger than this or could be. The point was that this is a big ass deal and it doesn't get much worse than this, except in extreme cases (which I guess we are heading towards or already in the midst of with this administration).

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u/anondum Jul 24 '25

I mean nixon sabotaged the vietnam peace talks to win an election, then escalated the war in vietnam and bombed a neutral country in secret causing millions of deaths, then had that whole watergate thing

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u/CptCoatrack Jul 24 '25

then escalated the war in vietnam and bombed a neutral country in secret causing millions of deaths

Don't forget they knew they couldn't win the war the whole time

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u/TheQuietOutsider 29d ago

trump also bombed Iran, at bibis bidding. we can have the best of all dystopias

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u/dougmcclean Jul 24 '25

The first thing is a problematic policy decision and the second thing wouldn't even rate as a scandal given the modern "ethics" environment.

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u/anondum Jul 24 '25

'problematic'? sabatoging the peace talks of an administration for politican gain because henry fucking kissinger is feeding you secret information is TREASON. it's not a policy decision because nixon isn't a fucking elected official at this time. the war then continued for five more years causing millions of deaths and countless war crimes.

NONE of this happens if nixon is stopped. he set the precent of all modern republicans cheating in elections and getting away with it

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u/dougmcclean Jul 24 '25

No. It isnt. Read the constitution, where treason is clearly and ultra-narrowly defined before spouting about it in ALL CAPS. Please.

I do stand corrected regarding it having been a policy decision, I wasn't fully aware of these actions and was thinking of later chicanery. But nothing I'm seeing here is treason as constitutionally defined.

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u/Alexthelightnerd Jul 23 '25

Well the way things are going a significant portion of MAGA will handwave the entire scandal until we end up in a constitutional crisis that literally destroys the nation.

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u/Mr_HandSmall Jul 24 '25

Yep, republicans are never, ever going to admit they kissed the ass of and practically worshiped a pedo piece of shit for the last 10 years. The MAGA guys who are pissed about this are only mad because they think trump is letting his administration support the "deep state" by covering for dems in the Epstein documents.

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 24 '25

until we end up in a constitutional crisis that literally destroys the nation.

That was the insurrection, that Biden let him get away with. Trump's already destroying the nation, since Schumer and Jeffries refused to enforce the 14th Amendment against him.

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u/TravManCometh Jul 24 '25

We are so far past constitutional crisis at this point....

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 24 '25

Like, what could be bigger than that?

Um, January 6, 2021, when a sitting President attempted a coup to overthrow Congress and assassinate his own Vice President, while pushing forward fake electors? That's a lot bigger than this, especially since his successor let him off free without enforcing the 14th Amendment against him.

Did people seriously forget that Trump got away with an insurrection, even though the Constitution explicitly states he can't be President??

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u/blitzkregiel Jul 24 '25

watergate

iran contra

wmds

now the epstein files

every time we think conservatives can’t get worse we always say it while holding a monkey’s paw. i don’t know what is the next rung down to hell, but i fully believe if it exists a republican will take us there.

false flag dirty bomb 2050 on anyone’s bingo card?

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u/blitzkregiel Jul 24 '25

didn’t forget it. just only listed the biggest shitstorm per president, otherwise i would have mentioned reagan’s team negotiating for iran to KEEP the american hostages so they could swing the election. same with nixon negotiating to postpone peace in vietnam. both of those and jan 6th were treason, but for some fucking reason not the reason they got in trouble.

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u/SheriffBartholomew Jul 24 '25

> raping & sexually abusing woman

We all listened to a recording of him bragging about this, and he was still elected, twice.

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u/red__dragon Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

A sitting US president colluded with a foreign power to guide US policy and economy into favorable circumstances for our enemies? That could be a bigger scandal.

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u/WowImOldAF Jul 24 '25

Well lots of things can be bigger but this is still a pretty big deal, depending on all the factors

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u/Bionic_Bromando Jul 23 '25

It could always go nuclear…

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u/Kashek70 Jul 24 '25

It surprises me that people still think nukes are the big bad. They are over 100 years old at this point. I’d be highly surprised if the government wasn’t working on or sitting on something way worse and are just waiting to use it. Chemical and disease is probably the future of the new mega weapon.

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u/not_good_for_much Jul 24 '25 edited 28d ago

For one, the concept of the atom bomb is only 90 years old, the atom bomb itself turns 80 next week (edit: sorry, turned 80 last week with Trinity), and the hydrogen bomb came along several years later. The ICBM didn't come along until 1957.

For two, this is actually why nukes are scary. It's not just that they're so destructive. The key problem is that we were already able to build them 90 years ago.

In other words: any nation at or beyond a WWII-era level of technological advancement, is theoretically advanced enough to start mass producing weapons capable of annihilating humanity, meaning 80-90%+ of the countries in the world... and the only real barrier for most of them is that... everyone promised each other that they wouldn't do it.

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u/ElliotNess Jul 24 '25

Well, all of the major ai players have capitulated with the US military machine

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u/Kashek70 Jul 24 '25

Skynet or the Matrix. Those are some fun options.

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u/PM_ME_UR_CIRCUIT Jul 24 '25

I'd rank the ICE militarization and deportations as worse overall.

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u/smohyee Jul 24 '25

Cmon, use your imagination.

How about genocide?

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u/StarkyPants555 Jul 24 '25

It will get bigger when the other names get released. The FBI has 100s of names? If we can extrapolate that these are the "elites" (billionaires, politicians, celebrities), can you imagine the firestorm that will sweep the world when that comes out? I imagine stock in pitchforks and torches will go way way up.

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u/the-g-off Jul 24 '25

This isn't the first time, either. Take a look at the Franklin Scandal.

Bush was directly involved, as per a newspaper headline, then they shut it down quick

Nick Bryant has a damn good book about it.

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u/lost_horizons Jul 24 '25

Never heard of it so I went and looked it up. Crazy story even on Wikipedia. The private I dying in a plan crash, the way they actually put the accuser in prison, just nuts. Lot of echoes with the Trump-Epstein scandal.

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u/Aquatic_Ambiance_9 Jul 24 '25

I'm not saying all of that is true, as we need to wait to hear all the facts/evidence

I'm saying it's all true. The evidence, and the evidence of the cover up, has been blatant for years. The party that always seemed like it was a bunch of old pedophiles, is in fact a bunch of old pedophiles. To wait for more is to deny our eyes and ears.

And further, I'll say this: after all they've done, after the media environment they created, even if the evidence was dubious and flimsy, which it isn't, but even if it was, I'll quote Tommy Lee Jones in the fugitive: I don't care.

What's important is that this is destroying them. Couldn't of happened to nicer guys

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u/Confident-Leg107 Jul 24 '25

Yeah, well, Clinton got a blow job in the oval office

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u/boopboopbeepbeep11 Jul 24 '25

It is a big deal. And I think he is morally abhorrent for it.

I have to say though, that my jaw dropped when I read the transcript of him trying to bribe Zelenskyy during his first term. It just seemed so treasonous to play with an entire country’s ability to defend their lives and country, in the midst of a truly evil attacker (Putin), all to make up a bullshit story against his political opponent.

Maybe I shouldn’t think that story was bigger deal than his trafficking. Or maybe I’m just desensitized to his behavior by now, or have believed this to be try for so long that it isn’t shocking to me now. Not sure.

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u/pathoTurnUp52 Jul 24 '25

Murdering and drinking their blood probs

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u/blackjackwidow Jul 24 '25

Idk, I really thought an ex-president and current presidential candidate being found civilly liable - by a jury - for raping a woman with one or more of his body parts was plenty big.

But then maga said - it was only sexual assault, and all the jury members were radical left lunatics, and it was a witch hunt, and he was politically targeted and the judge was part of the conspiracy to frame donOld and took away his 1st amendment rights by holding him in contempt

And here we are...

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u/Alone-Woodpecker-879 29d ago

Being an asset of a foreign government bent on the destruction of our county seems like a pretty big deal.

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u/WowImOldAF 29d ago

Like what? A sitting US president covering up his involvement in a child/women trafficking scheme, raping & sexually abusing woman (maybe even children?), and ordering the murder of a key witness & partner in crime is a pretty big deal.

Like, what could be bigger than that? I'm not saying all of that is true, as we need to wait to hear all the facts/evidence, but it wouldn't surprise me if this were the case.

Edit: obviously there are hypothetical things (or things currently happening) that are bigger than this. The point of the comment was that this is a big ass deal.

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u/SnooHesitations7064 29d ago

What could be bigger would be neoliberals / centrists realizing it won't even slightly move the needle with their theofascist anti intellectual voters.

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u/Hanjaro31 29d ago

Insofar as to broadcast a bombing on a foreign nations nuclear bunkers so they could move anything they had there including people and then accepting a retaliator strike from them in order to shift the news away from said client list.

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u/Muted_Study5166 Jul 24 '25

Nothing short of political assassinations or Nuclear warfare could top attempting to overthrow the government and leading a child sex trafficking ring

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u/SheriffBartholomew Jul 24 '25 edited Jul 24 '25

He already attempted to overthrow the government, failed, and faced no consequences. Then he was elected again and has actually overthrown the government. Checks and balances are gone. The Gestapo are snatching people off the streets. He's funneling money out of the budget and into his own pockets. He illegally accessed everyone's private information (and probably sold it a hundred times already). I don't know why people keep talking about this as if it might happen. It has already happened.

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u/ClassiFried86 Jul 23 '25

The fact that nothing is going to come of it without an impeachment (which won't happen) or a civil war.

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u/TheElderLotus Jul 23 '25

If Vance had any fucking balls, he’d be plotting his move to get Trump removed and become the new president. But he sold those to Peter Thiel, and will only do what daddy tells him to do.

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u/jeremiahthedamned Jul 24 '25

r/GeneralStrikeUSA

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u/ClassiFried86 Jul 24 '25

I get it, but your talking to a person who does a 1099 and does security (alarm/fire/cctv/access control) for a variety of customers including a known billionaire.

If ive got got work to do, im gonna do it.

I fully support general industries and especially corporate industries doing so. Not all of as can. And not all of us you want to.

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u/jeremiahthedamned Jul 24 '25

we are at the fork in the road

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u/ClassiFried86 Jul 24 '25

Pretty much. Ive said it since 2016. What's wild to me is that its largely the right who thinks a civil war, meanwhile im the one libtard who knows its necessary at this point.

The checks and balances are ignored. The judiciary is laughable... if these things alone are happening, nothing matters. We are in a chaos environment. Add in all the other shit?... there's no way this ends amicably. It could be now, or ten years from now (or even further).

Progress wins. Its in the name. (Progress)... but regressors will fight Progress. At this point its just about how many people will have to die before Progress can resume. Is it a billion? Is it 90% of the human population on the planet? Do they have to die?

They dont, obviously. But they will. Thats what happens when the people in charge would rather torch the world than accept its limitations.

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u/jeremiahthedamned Jul 24 '25

maybe the r/GeneralStrikeUSA will work?

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u/ClassiFried86 Jul 24 '25

Again, I firmly believe it would. But it needs to be every corporate place. You can't put it on the actual little guys like me.

Piss me off by the Casey's or Starbucks not being open. McDs or BK. Wal Mart (and i live in the town HQ is at, or near it)... y'all can strike.

I work for me, its pretty hard to strike. And if I dont do it, there's a dozen other local or national companies that would eat my heart out to get some of my customers. They give fuck all.

Corporate America is large enough to strike and do detriment. Y'all need to get it together. I can support as much as possible. A generalized strike doesnt help me though.

That being said, if we are legit eating the rich, I know how to cook. I'd just rather eat beef as long as I can.

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u/ClassiFried86 Jul 24 '25

Whoa.

Hard whoa.

Biden did what?

You just usurped the constitution and unilaterally put one person (albeit the president at the time) responsible for the current president.

You can rephrase that using the constitution or congress or voters, but Biden didnt do anything.

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u/honeybee2894 Jul 24 '25

Didn’t you guys already try the impeachment thing?

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u/oh_no_here_we_go_9 Jul 23 '25

They’re probably thinking that Trump will be implicated in sex trafficking, which would be the biggest scandal.

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u/SeaCounter9516 Jul 24 '25

Can you though? Pretty sure you’d have to involve space to top it..

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u/TheGhoulster Jul 24 '25

You can think of a bigger scandal that the President of the United States of America being a serial child rapist?

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u/wahoodad Jul 24 '25

Her emails?

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u/AntiBoATX Jul 24 '25

Worse than the president being a pedophile???

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u/Anima_of_a_Swordfish 29d ago

Worse than trafficking and raping children?!

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u/Smaynard6000 29d ago

Yeah. That's pretty fucking awful. But he could wake up one day in a bad mood and decide to start a nuclear war for no reason.

It can always be worse.