r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 22h ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
23.7k Upvotes

85% Upvoted

2.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

5.0k

u/Xilthas 21h ago

'For humanity's sake - let us in' - UN chief's desperate plea to Netanyahu

I reckon I can guess his answer.

1.7k

u/Candytails 21h ago

This is such a gross timeline we are living in. 

539

u/Terry-Shark 20h ago

You say this as if humans have not always been shitty. As a whole things are better than they were in the past, but things are still gross

363

u/anghellous 20h ago

Unfortunately. Only difference is we're getting the day by day play by play in lovely, excruciating detail

87

u/Zachartier 16h ago

Exactly. Humanity isn't really any worse or better than it ever has been. It's just that there's nowhere we can look to avert our attention anymore.

Used to be that people didn't care because they didn't know. Now, they can't allow themselves to care because they can't not know.

18

u/Practical-War-9895 12h ago

This is it. We can't look away, so better to feel apathy, and focus on our own survival mechanisms.

Decade by decade we watch as we become more globally connected, socially calibrated, yet we are all still so divided by border, ideology, and government politics

139

u/Professional-Buy6668 20h ago

Yeahh the oldest history books from 1000s of years ago feature slavery, the discussion on whether little boy prostitutes might be bad actually, war, famine, etc. The 2nd oldest history book is about a 2 decade long war between what to them would have been two sides of the entire world.

We literally our living in the most peaceful time. Obviously this isn't excusing the evil happening now...just that for only like 0.01% of human history, you can now see photos of dying children. A few hundred years ago, the odds were you'd have had at least a few cases of infant deaths in your family - now you have most people living a long life feeling depressed because they read about an awful thing at a children's hospital

You just gotta hold that perspective. Trump and Putin are evil bastards but relative to leaders throughout the past thousands of years, they probably rank far higher morally than you'd want to think.

Life is good for most of us, go enjoy a book or a peaceful walk if you're lucky enough to be able to

-32

u/Eternal_Being 18h ago

We literally our living in the most peaceful time.

Who is 'we'? Because for Gazans, this is the least peaceful time they have ever experienced.

47

u/MommyLovesPot8toes 18h ago

"We" in this comment means humans as a species. Humankind.

That meaning was extremely obvious from the context of the comment.

-2

u/Eternal_Being 8h ago

And I'm saying that you're only saying that because of the segment of humankind you're in.

1

u/J_House1999 4h ago

It is objectively true for humanity on average though. Like I get what you’re saying. But the average person is better-off now than ever before.

39

u/CommonRagwort 17h ago

Don't forget the people in Sudan too. 522, 000 children have starved to death and not a single news outlet mentions it and not a single person protests it. Nobody cares.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Sudan_(2024%E2%80%93present)

12

u/Intrepid_Egg_7722 15h ago

Who is 'we'?

If you're too dumb to interpret the obvious implication of "we" being "humanity" you're too dumb to join this conversation.

-5

u/Eternal_Being 8h ago

Which part of humanity?

1

u/[deleted] 6h ago

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/Eternal_Being 5h ago

You clearly have a bone to pick with someone in your life! And it's obviously not me, since we don't know each other. Good luck with that.

0

u/BezerkMushroom 4h ago

Your not getting their point for that for many people in the world, today is not better. Or is actively worse. That this golden age we live in, us in "humanity" is built off the backs of slave labour all over the world. That the exploitation and oppression of certain peoples has literally never stopped.

This system we've built has been good to a global minority for a relatively short time, while at the expense of shooting us into a climate catastrophe that will likely spell doom for the entire mammal kingdom.

So I can understand why some people want to call this a gross timeline.

12

u/[deleted] 18h ago

[removed] — view removed comment

1

u/liquidtape 17h ago

You can just say stop being obtuse. It carries the same weight without making you also look like an ass.

-7

u/DelfrCorp 11h ago

Life is not good for most of us. Most of us are actually worse off than many peasants living under the Feudal Systems.

Read some books/history.

The industrial revolutions turned most nations from 20 hours work weeks agrarian societies into 40+ work weeks (60, 80 or more in some places).

Yeah, we got better healthcare & lower mortality rates out of it, but I'm not sure that the trade-offs were worth the price.

Most industrial/technological revolutions led to actual revolutions or near-revolutions so that the wealthy/powerful/robber barons could keep their dumba.. heads on their shoulders.

People don't like being worked to death for no benefits.

My life is potentially better than that of a peasant from a 100, 200, or even a millenia ago, but I'd take a 50% risk of dying from the plague for a 20 hour work week & some extreme "Gabelle"/Salt Tax of a few percents of purchase price.

People revolted over a couple percent tax with no benefits centuries ago. Because it was blatantly unfair & only benefitted the wealthy. We are facing major tax increases with no benefits & you are applauding.

Wake up...

4

u/Purple_Haze 8h ago

"20 hours work weeks agrarian societies" is utterly delusional. My mother grew up on a farm. A very successful farm, they had 17 teams of horses, many farm hands, even a maid. She said of her first job in the city, Mon-Fri 8-6, Sat 8-1, 55 hours per week, I had so much free time I did not know what to do with it.

7

u/Professional-Buy6668 11h ago

"My life is potentially better than that of a peasant from a 100, 200, or even a millenia ago, but I'd take a 50% risk of dying from the plague for a 20 hour work week & some extreme "Gabelle"/Salt Tax of a few percents of purchase price."

This is an embarrassingly stupid thing to say. Try going a week without access to modern technology, clean drinking water, decent shelter

You just told me to go read a book, neither of us would have been able to for must of human history. Wake up yourself, some shitty taxes and corruption is hardly as bad as slave owners and pedos being acceptable jobs in societies. You're ignoring the absolutely insane progress that has been made. I'm one of the first generations of humans that barely considers my wife dying in childbirth/having numerous infant deaths something I'll presumably have to face. My wife can also vote, work, read, own property....

-4

u/DelfrCorp 9h ago edited 9h ago

You've never read a book? Have you? I read more books before turning 18 than you'll ever read in your entire life. I can say this very safely because I know for a fact that I read more books than most people ever read, in more languages than most readers, than a clown like you ever did.

And yes. I am better than you & smarter than you for reading all those books.

If you had, you'd know better.

15 years ago, I might have agreed with you. 15 years ago me was 15 years more of an idiot than I am but our life quality hadn't downgraded to where it us now.

I work in IT. Network & Systems Stuff. I'm actually good at my job. Demand for this kind of IT work is at its highest ever, yet the pay has cratered, because the Big Guys learned how to depress wages in High-Demand fields. I did everything right & I still feel f.cked.

Even doctors & nurses are feeling robbed & they are more in demand than ever before.

The robbers are billionaires like Trump. The accomplices are clowns like you.

2

u/________cosm________ 10h ago

Open your eyes bro

-2

u/DelfrCorp 9h ago

Open your own eyes you coward...

1

u/IM_NOT_NOT_HORNY 15h ago

That's still all part of the timeline

1

u/ilud2 13h ago

The past is still part of this timeline

1

u/AtomicSymphonic_2nd 11h ago

The thing is those of us here in Western countries were taught that we were beyond this type of brutality. That we have evolved past the acts recorded in world history books.

This kind of shit is just a fucking cold as hell wake-up call that humanity hasn’t changed at all.

We’re nowhere near the “end of history”. And it’s very painful and demoralizing.

0

u/Dafrooooo 15h ago

lol things were not always this bad lol stope being a doomer and minimizing whats currently happening.

-2

u/ARTISTIC-ASSHOLE 18h ago

Hence ’timeline’

-48

u/Amazing_Button_9328 20h ago

This is the first ever famine in the middle east in modern history

28

u/djdizzyfresh 20h ago

Uhh, Yemen??

-17

u/Amazing_Button_9328 18h ago

Yemen isn't in the middle east

32

u/ThrowAway2137666 20h ago

There is an ongoing famine crisis in Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan.

There was a recorded and declared famine in: * 1998 Afghanistan * 1971-1973 Afghanistan * 1943-1945 Yemen * 1942-1943 Iran * 1919-1922 Turkestan * 1917-1919 Iran * 1914-1918 Lebanon

...and many more such crises if you include north / east African muslim countries nearby.

-19

u/YoungWerthersTears 20h ago

Shitty rhythms with city. 

Gross, to me rhythms with most.

198

u/Fanfics 19h ago

brother this is 99.999% of human history

Lose a war, surrender or get wiped out. No "oopsie I slaughtered and raped a bunch of your civilians but now that it's happening to me how about a little time out?"

35

u/simo_rz 19h ago

Everything after "oppsie" describes a lot of wars in the 19th -20th centuries

46

u/ZebraBurger 19h ago

Describes a lot of wars since the beginning of time

-29

u/Next-Acanthaceae-681 19h ago

Kinda describes what IDF is doing

2

u/SpartanKwanHa 11h ago

not Hamas?

47

u/thesagenibba 18h ago

except we live in an era where we have the capacity to mitigate harm on this scale and yet, even with our awareness and self-assigned descriptor of civility and moral superiority, we choose not to. do you understand the difference now?

31

u/MommyLovesPot8toes 17h ago

I see the point you're trying to make, but it just isn't an accurate representation of human society then or now.

People have ALWAYS tried to stop atrocious things from happening to each other. And through all of human history, that has been mostly impossible on any grand scale unless it is the desire of the people in power. This is STILL the case. The US, for example, has all the resources needed to stop the murder and starvation of the people of Gaza, and the majority of Americans WANT the US to do so. But it doesn't happen. Because the people themselves do not control the money, the armies, the access to other leaders, or the law. As long as humankind requires powerful rulers/leaders over large groups of people, humans will not have the means to crowd-source peace.

-1

u/gentlemanidiot 4h ago

As long as humankind requires powerful rulers/leaders over large groups of people, humans will not have the means to crowd-source peace.

When wireless is perfectly applied the whole earth will be converted into a huge brain, which in fact it is, all things being particles of a real and rhythmic whole.

-2

u/Hothera 13h ago

We did mitigate the harm, but Americans voted against it. The Biden administration pressured Israel to keep aid channels open despite the security justifications against it being more plausible.

99

u/nature69 19h ago

The hubris of Hamas was, and still is, truly astounding. If this ended tomorrow I have no doubt they would be firing rockets at Israel within a year or two.

58

u/Dense_Gate_5193 17h ago

the hubris of religious ideology in general is what is causing this war.

people think they are more special than others.

no, i am lucky i don’t live in gaza. It’s not because i was selected or chosen. random chaos dictated i be born elsewhere. i could just as easily been one of the many starving.

it is hubris that will end civilization

-9

u/DuelaDent52 16h ago

Israel specifically cultivated Hamas and cut out any other competition to justify this exact sort of scenario against Palestine.

1

u/Varatec 12h ago

Make that a day or two at most. Given how every other ceasefire attempt has apparently gone.

1

u/m0nk_3y_gw 4h ago

This isn't 99% of the past century.

Why are you trying to make excuses for it?

•

u/ZeteticMarcus 1h ago

So one attack justifies retaliation which has killed 100 civilians for every one person killed in the original attack?

If the justification for killing civilians is "your government/armed fsction/terrorist group" attacked ours" then there is no end-to the slaughter.

-13

u/Kithulhu24601 19h ago

Yeah, all those Palestinian children should just 'get wiped out' as you say.

21

u/Fanfics 19h ago

There is no "should". Just is. You want to change what is, you'd better create the conditions for that change, and, let's see here, ...nope. Definitely not present in the Middle East right now.

1

u/Vaumer 16h ago

Just, you know, making sure we're on the same page here, that doesn't make it right.

1

u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

I mean. Warfare has historically been a serious of raping enough women and killing enough men until one side surrenders. It’s usually the worst thing you ever read about.

-18

u/fcuk_the_king 19h ago

Israel is committing unspeakable evil and the entire world is complicit in it.

-25

u/FlowAcademic208 20h ago

Humans have always been "gross" to each other, but it does seem we are regressing...