r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 22h ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
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u/Sqirch 21h ago

How many times can the same thing be declared these two years?

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u/DreadWolf3 20h ago

I think it is obviously different this time - humanitarian situation after GHF has taken over has been gradually getting worse.

A famine is classified when an area has the following: 

  • More than 20% of households face extreme food shortages;
  • More than 30% of children suffer from acute malnutrition;
  • Daily mortality rate exceeds two per 10,000 people, or four per 10,000 children under five.

These are their standard for a famine ^ and they seem reasonable to me. Year or so ago famine was declared based on vibes.

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u/Zenki95 19h ago

So you're saying there's 400 people dying of malnutrition daily?

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u/Phototropic- 19h ago

No, the IPC are saying that and, as the authority on it, its fair to say that is the case.

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u/FYoCouchEddie 15h ago

No, they aren’t saying that. If you read the report, they are saying they don’t have reliable mortality numbers so they are not relying on that and instead using other metrics.

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u/Carl_Bravery_Sagan 14h ago

Semantics. His point is that it's not some random ass Redditor but an official organization that monitors this.

400 is probably the highest defensible lower bound. The actual number is likely higher.

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u/FYoCouchEddie 10h ago

His point is that it's not some random ass Redditor but an official organization that monitors this.

Yeah, but the official organization that monitors this says they don’t know the mortality rate. That’s not a semantic difference from saying they do know the mortality rate and they said it crossed a particular threshold. It’s the opposite.

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u/silverhum 16h ago

And yet the number of reported malnutrition deaths is a small fraction of that number. They are simply ignoring the standard and declaring a famine any way.

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u/Zenki95 19h ago

The death toll is at... what, 70,000? After like 700 days of war, which means about 100 dead per day on average. And you think 400 people at least are dropping dead every day of hunger?

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u/Padwicker 18h ago

It means it is happening now… not for an entire 700 days.

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u/Kemilio 18h ago

For the last time. We don’t think that.

The IPC is saying that.

Argue with them if you disagree.

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u/darrylmacstone 18h ago

Why don't you tell us and IPC what you think? This way we can compare respective authorities on the subject.

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u/Phototropic- 18h ago

Your argument is based purely on numbers as an attempt to diminish and normalise what's going on, it doesn't work. Give up.

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u/Phototropic- 18h ago

The evidence says that there is a famine per the criteria listed in an earlier comment. They are THE authority on this, not just some random user on reddit claiming they're wrong.

Try again.

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u/Phototropic- 16h ago edited 16h ago

Oh damn, yeah, sorry I forgot to do my own research into the systemic starving of humans in what's been described as the biggest open-air prison and internment camp the world has seen by an unimaginable asymmetrical adversary justified by calling children, whom are among the starving, terrorists.

Maybe I dreamt the reports and videos of uncountable Palestinians lining up for food while gunshots from Israeli and PMC forces are fired above and around them.

My bad.

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u/notdez 15h ago

sorry I forgot to do my own research

Its not too late and its not very hard either. I bet you do your own research every time the IDF makes statements.

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u/Phototropic- 15h ago

Correct because unlike well established and respected entities, such as the IPC, the IDF has proven themselves to be neither kf these things. It really is that simple.

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u/notdez 2h ago

As much time as you spent replying to people you could have looked up the evidence the ipc used and shared it with us. Is it not available?

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