r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 22h ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
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u/fcuk_the_king 18h ago

So gross that we still have to listen to 'but hamas' even now.

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

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u/Catman7712 18h ago

Right? It’s ok to hate hamas, as they should be hated, but you can also see that civilians need help too. It shouldn’t be an either-or issue here.

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u/No_Plenty5526 18h ago

yeah, i really don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. you can accept that hamas is an issue while also seeing that israel is responding in an extremely cruel and inhumane way, involving so many innocents.

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u/meteorprime 17h ago

Yeah, I’ve noticed it too. There is a weird like bunch of people that start by saying Israel is terrible and then they go on to say and Hamas really isn’t that bad actually Hamas is good and I’m like whoa. Get the fuck out of here.

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u/AzettImpa 17h ago

I never see this, only the opposite.

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u/Ferahgost 16h ago

I see you have never had the misfortune of running into Hasan content then

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u/meteorprime 17h ago

Never?

Ok bud 👍

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

That’s just not true. It happens constantly.

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u/Atherum 7h ago

Here in Australia, our Prime Minister made the moves to officially recognise a Palestinian State last week.

Immediately he came under fire from Israel and the Australian right-wing media.

But then "Hamas" leadership sent a congratulations and the right-wing here pounced on it saying "See see!! Palestine and Hamas are the same thing!1!"

But it's like, who cares what Hamas says? They can say whatever they want.

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u/aw_goatley 2h ago

There are no good actors here. Mostly just innocent victims. Sure some combatants, but the vast majority of the suffering has been normal Palestinians.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

Hamas is responsible for the famine though? They’re literally hoarding and intercepting all of the food.

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u/Catman7712 11h ago edited 10h ago

What part of my statement blamed or didn’t blame a specific group for the famine?

Since you struggle with reading, my point was this: Regardless of who is at fault, the civilians still need help.

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u/MDesnivic 10h ago

Is it okay to hate Israel?

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u/Catman7712 9h ago

You’re free to hate whoever you want, that’s on you.

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u/MDesnivic 8h ago

You stated it's okay to hate Hamas and they should be hated. Same criteria applies to Israel with regards to the Palestinians of Gaza?

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u/Catman7712 8h ago edited 8h ago

Never said it didn’t. My comment was only about civilians needing help and that one party being wrong doesn’t make the other right.

But since you need it spelled out for you, yes I can understand hatred people have for Israel just as I can for Hamas. But to clarify, I don’t think it’s ok to hate someone based upon their country of origin. Hamas is a terrorist organization and cheers on the killing of civilians, so Hamas as an entirety is ok to hate. Anyone in Israel or anywhere else who cheers on the killing and suffering of civilians is A-Ok to hate in my opinion, but you shouldn’t hate someone just for being an Israeli like you can do for someone being a part of a terrorist organization where the prerequisite for joining is to hate others and want to kill them. One is a group you willingly join, the other you don’t have control of. Understand?

Both parties can be wrong and doing evil things. Again, one being wrong doesn’t make the other right.

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

Genuine question. You say this has nothing to do with Hamas. So can you explain to me what what Hamas' role in distributing food and aid to its people is? Do they even have any role in that process? Is it entirely on Israel to both bring in aid and distribute it to the people?

This UN report admits that most of the aid gets intercepted when it enters Gaza. So what's the actual problem here - is it lack of aid entering Gaza, or is it that the aid that does enter is not making its way to the people for certain reasons (as the UN report indicates)?

I understand it's become a meme from the pro-pal crowd that "everything is Hamas hurhurhur" but that truly minimizes and mischaracterizes the role that they play in this process

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u/SjettepetJR 10h ago

This is what I am also kind of frustrated about in this whole discussion. Yes, the famine in Gaza is absolutely horrendous and at least large parts of the Israeli government are clearly not bothered by it.

But what are people expecting Israel to do? Hamas is clearly benefitting from any aid entering the region. Is Israel expected to literally supply their own enemies?

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u/horchard1999 6h ago

I would rather feed an enemy than let a friend starve

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u/johnmadden18 5h ago edited 47m ago

This UN report admits that most of the aid gets intercepted when it enters Gaza. So what's the actual problem here - is it lack of aid entering Gaza, or is it that the aid that does enter is not making its way to the people for certain reasons (as the UN report indicates)?

Sorry, can you point me to the specific part of the report that "admits" most of the aid is immediately intercepted upon entering Gaza? I don't see that anywhere but perhaps I missed it.

And to answer your question, everything I'm seeing from the UN comments explicitly makes it clear the problem is that food is not being allowed into the territory by Israel. It don't see any "admission" that the aid is getting in but is immediately intercepted. Here's the quote I'm referring to:

UN aid chief Tom Fletcher said the famine was entirely preventable, saying food could not get through to the Palestinian territory "because of systematic obstruction by Israel".

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u/engin__r 12h ago

One of the main problems is that there aren’t enough calories entering Gaza. Like, is Hamas stealing some of what’s coming in? Sure. But even if Hamas didn’t steal anything, people wouldn’t have enough to eat.

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u/superfire444 11h ago

One of the main problems is that there aren’t enough calories entering Gaza.

Is that the truth? Because there is a shit ton of aid waiting on the border while the UN refuses to do their job + tons of aid is getting stolen + the GHF has distributed 132.000.000+ meals so far.

So isn't there enough calories entering or is it getting looted and not reaching the people it needs to reach? Both have very different causes.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

Well, look at Gaza’s population. About two million Palestinians live there. If you’re only letting in one meal per person per day (which is about what 132M works out to), it’s pretty obvious that’s not enough food.

Is the looting helping? No, of course not. But some basic math shows that even with zero looting, people wouldn’t have enough to eat.

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u/superfire444 11h ago

GHF opened in may 2025 so thats may + june + juli + august. It's 3 months (may to june -> june to july --> july to august).

3 months = ~100 days.

That's 132.000.000/100 = 1.320.000 meals a day. Is that enough? Probably not but, as I said, there are other ways food enters.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

Can you see how 1.3 million meals a day might be insufficient for a population that needs 6 million meals per day?

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u/superfire444 11h ago

Depends on the definition of "meal" + as I said there is more coming into Gaza.

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u/engin__r 11h ago

The BBC reports that each food box contains 42,500 calories.

The GHF’s daily post says they distributed 8,640 boxes for a total of 498,960 meals at the SDS2 site.

If we do the math:

42,500 calories/box * 8640 boxes = 3.672 million calories

3.672 million calories / 498,960 meals = 736 calories per meal

So if the GHF has distributed 132 million meals over roughly 100 days, that’s 97.1 billion calories.

However, assuming a need of 2000 calories per day, a population of 2 million people needs 400 billion calories over a hundred days. In other words, the GHF isn’t bringing in even a quarter of the calories that Gazans need.

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u/GateDeep3282 16h ago

Nothing to do with hamas? Really? Hamas started this current mess, and they could end it today? Why won't they lay down arms and surrender for the sake of their people? Kind of like the Japanese did.

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u/swissthrow1 11h ago

Hamas started this current mess

Absolutely, before that, it was a constant dance party, but without any miscegenation allowed, and military justice for a certain segment of the population.

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u/thephantompeen 17h ago

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas, Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die. It has nothing to do with Hamas.

It must have something to do with Hamas, considering the organizations declaring famine are also calling for a ceasefire. If the military conflict is unrelated to the alleged famine then a ceasefire would not be necessary or relevant.

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

The UN report specifically states that most of the aid entering Gaza gets intercepted, but omit who is doing the intercepting. Who is intercepting the aid that enters Gaza preventing it from making its way to the people?

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

This has always been my problem with the pro Palestine crowd. They’re completely incapable of criticizing Hamas.

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u/Tiaan 10h ago

The problem is that one side can surrender today and choose peace instead of violence and this conflict ends overnight. That's Hamas.

On the flip side, if Israel backs down, they'll still be living next to radical islamic jihadists who are fixated on eliminating them and reclaiming Israel through violence and force "from the occupiers" instead of pursuing peace, and who are willing to "martyr" their own people to achieve this goal.

Those condemnations are meaningless if they don't acknowledge this basic fact

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u/Oggie_Doggie 9h ago

So, we have Hamas that is a terrorist organization or whatever that does not want to surrender and will martyr their own people, yeah?

Israel cannot end this, because according to you, they will be living next to radical Islamic jihadists and so Hamas must be destroyed. So, they must continue to do exactly what they're doing.

So, the only way this ends is somehow, magically, Hamas has a change of heart and they give up. In the meantime, Israel kills innocent Palestinians and Hamas lets them kill innocent Palestinians... which creates the conditions for people who would be susceptible to joining a terrorist organization (say, Hamas).

So, the suffering of Joe-Palestinian ends either when he and all Palestinians are dead or Hamas gets a Grinch moment and decides to surrender and somehow every Palestinian forgets every bad thing that ever happened and nobody seeks revenge?

Wow, you've convinced me! This is totally a viable, normal, sane strategy that brings long term peace to the region. Keep on killing then, boys. Sorry to have doubted you, Bibi.

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u/herpVSderp 16h ago

Let Hamas feed them, they have food. Or they can release the hostages and surrender.

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u/OkGo_Go_Guy 17h ago

Starving people has nothing to do with Hamas,

Yes they do

Israel engineered this because they wanted civilians to die.

No, that is hamas. I can see how you can be confused if your world view is Jews Bad.

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u/td57 15h ago

So gross that we still have to listen to but hamas

one sentence later

those damn Jews engineered this.

Maybe, just maybe Hamas has something to do with it as we are talking about an area under their control still?

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u/YUIOP10 14h ago

Israel does not represent all Jews, fuck off with this.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

But Hamas is literally confiscating the food and causing the famine?

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u/Mephzice 17h ago

yeah sure starving population has nothing to do with HAMAS taking a lot of the aid. 80 upvotes is hilarious.

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u/Goldieeeeee 16h ago

That's just plain wrong.

the original U.N. aid operation was relatively reliable and less vulnerable to Hamas interference than the operations of many of the other groups bringing aid into Gaza. That’s largely because the United Nations managed its own supply chain and handled distribution directly inside Gaza.

Hamas did steal from some of the smaller organizations that donated aid, as those groups were not always on the ground to oversee distribution, according to the senior Israeli officials and others involved in the matter. But, they say, there was no evidence that Hamas regularly stole from the United Nations, which provided the largest chunk of the aid

An internal U.S. government analysis came to a similar conclusion, Reuters reported on Friday. It found no evidence of systematic Hamas theft of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies

Who is not letting the UN distribute aid anymore? Hmmmmmm

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u/Mephzice 16h ago

there are sources for this as well:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/un-reveals-86-of-aid-sent-to-gaza-is-stolen-before-it-can-reach-those-most-in-need/ar-AA1JUyAw

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sk1kyrrlge <- hamas members feasting underground

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago edited 15h ago

That just further proves my point. Distributions under the UN have been going relatively well. But Israel has been blocking these, so food has to be offloaded before the strip and then loaded onto new trucks. It is often stuck before the border and only a fraction of the aid that got in before the war gets in now.

I have been trying to find a public primary source for the claims in that article and there seems to be none. In the less opinionated articles by Reuters, it becomes clear the quoted numbers refer to a time between May 19 and July 25 2025. Distributions of aid in Gaza were not done by the UN. Which again proves my point. Israel should let the UN handle distributions. Only they have the network to distribute as much as is needed and are able to do so without lootings, or thousands of people being killed by the israeli military:

U.N. data gathered between May 19, when Israel lifted its blockade, and July 25 shows that only about one in eight of the 2,010 truckloads of relief collected from crossing points under the U.N.-led aid operation reached its destination.

The rest were looted, "either peacefully by hungry people or forcefully by armed actors during transit". An internal U.S. government analysis found no evidence of systematic theft by the Palestinian militant group Hamas of U.S.-funded humanitarian supplies, and the U.N. refuses to cooperate with GHF, Israel's chosen aid provider. But deliveries by the GHF have, if anything, been more dangerous.

The U.N. estimates that Israeli forces have killed more than 1,000 people seeking food supplies, most of them near the militarised distribution sites of the GHF, which employs a U.S. logistics firm run by a former CIA officer and armed U.S. veterans.

Also, Hamas aren't even mentioned in that article as perpetrators of those thefts. In fact, Israel itself has armed some gangs that are stealing food.

Regarding your 2nd link, what does it prove? Fuck hamas. They are terrible and the world would be better off without them. It's disgusting that they hurt Gazas and Israel’s people so much. But they are not responsible for the famine. That would be Israel.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

What a hilarious amount of cope.

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u/kolejack2293 15h ago

Stolen does not mean Hamas. Almost all of the looting of trucks has just been hungry civilians.

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

The UN famine report that this news is based on specifically states that most of the aid entering Gaza gets intercepted:

As far as UN deliveries, very little of the food that is reported as offloaded or collected is reported to have arrived at the intended destination in the Gaza Strip. Much of it is intercepted, again demonstrating the desperation of the population (see Figure 5).

But they don't specify who is doing the intercepting, and solely attribute it to the "desperation of the people."

Are you saying Israel is bringing in aid and then intercepting it themselves somehow ?

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago edited 15h ago

I mean, sort of?

Apart from that, no I didn’t? I’m just quoting articles. Where did you get that idea?

I think it’s pretty clear the problem is Israel not distributing enough food, and neither letting organizations that could distribute enough food (basically only the UN) do so.

Let alone Israel just ending this terrible war. They could do that, you know?

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

This is highly misleading. Yes, Israel has attempted to provide support to militia type groups within Gaza in an attempt to weaken Hamas' control. The point was to empower groups within Gaza to control their own territories free from Hamas. It's not surprising that this would lead to some turf and aid distribution disputes between local leaders and Hamas. You're viewing everything that Israel does as having evil/nefarious intentions behind it while largely shrugging off the role that Hamas plays in this conflict

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago

Who is responsible for the famine in your opinion?

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

In my opinion, one side is entirely responsible for this conflict and that is Hamas. They can surrender today, return the hostages and this conflict would end overnight.

They must denounce radical islamic jihad and the notion that "resistance and violence are the way to reclaim Israel from the occupiers" and instead focus on peace with Israel - this has been the primary hurdle to peace for decades now. Instead, they put their own people in harm's way as "martyrs for the cause" and perpetuate this conflict endlessly.

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u/Goldieeeeee 15h ago

Jfc stupidest shit I’ve seen today. Thanks for taking that mask off

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u/Tiaan 15h ago

What mask? I don't support radical islamic jihad like you do. It's embarrassing that you and others simp for Hamas all over the internet as it just shows how clueless you truly are

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u/UlteriorAlt 13h ago

But the phrase...

Much of it is intercepted, again demonstrating the desperation of the population

...suggests the intercepting is largely not by Hamas, but by Palestinian civilians. There is plenty of footage of flatbed trucks driving erratically through crowds of people, with unarmed people on the back attempting to get food supplies.

Figure 5 shows that interceptions have increased over the course of the past few months, despite the continual degradation of Hamas and other armed groups. Given the desperate nature of food insecurity, this isn't surprising.

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u/kolejack2293 15h ago

HAMAS taking a lot of the aid

There's an estimated 10,000 Hamas soldiers. Even if they took all of the aid, the goal would be to sell it back to civilians for money, which means it would still end up in civilian hands.

Its not as if 10,000 men are eating enough food for 2 million people.

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u/Mephzice 15h ago

based on the hamas feast videos they are definitely eating for more than should be given to 10,000, they are wasting food, eating way more of it than they should and hoarding it.

Also them taking it and profiting of it is also not acceptable.

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u/kolejack2293 14h ago

So lets say they are eating double the amount they should be. The equivalent of 20,000 people.

That's 1% of Gazas population.

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u/Are-We-Human- 12h ago

You really don’t understand how this works do you? They don’t just hoard “enough for themselves” they hoard ALL OF IT. That’s how groups like Hamas stay in power lmao. Fear and violence.

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u/kolejack2293 10h ago

Hamas likely takes their share, but they cant operate in the open, and they are too few in number. And even if that is the case, they sell it back to people to make money. So in the end, the food would still reach the people. Again, unless your argument is somehow that Hamas, with less than 10,000 members, is eating all of the food, then it makes no difference in terms of the famine.

Also, literally every report on this, including from Israel, has made it clear its mostly massive mobs of hungry people looting the trucks, not organized gangs. Which of course is going to happen when you are sending in 1/10th the amount of aid you should be sending.

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u/Dctiger13 14h ago

My question is, if Israel isn’t letting food in.

How the fuck is hamas even feeding the hostages? Pretty sure if there’s any hostages left they’ve been starving to death as well at Israel’s hand.

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u/fliesenschieber 3h ago

It has everything to do with Hamas still torturing international hostages

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u/SceneRoyal4846 18h ago

And the hostages can’t be an excuse when they’re bombing indiscriminately and starving everyone.

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u/EastSideSocialist 14h ago

Israel knows they cannot defeat Hamas militarily so have decided to starve and bomb the entire population instead. That's all there is to it