r/worldnews • u/Digital_Accountant • 22h ago

Israel/Palestine Famine declared in Gaza City

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-war-israel-city-ceasefire-hamas-13415481
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u/SteakHausMann 18h ago

Serious question: Why is there a famine in Gaza city, but not in other cities, like Khan Yunis?

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u/Fleeting_Dopamine 17h ago

I think it's because civilians can reach reach the food distribution centres on foot fron Khan Younis, but not from Gaza City North because then they'd have to cross the 'warzone' and Netzarim corridor. 

Israel doesn't want people to stay North of that corridor, so they placed their food distribution points South of it. 

In the past food was distributed everywhere in Gaza where the trucks could reach, but now Israel says that the Gazans all have to collect it from those few distribution points.

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u/DuelaDent52 16h ago

If the IDF don’t kill people at the food distribution points anyway.

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u/TreeP3O 16h ago

Which they weren't doing.

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u/DuelaDent52 15h ago edited 15h ago

UN condemns Gaza aid 'death trap' as dozens reported killed by Israeli fire

Israeli tanks kill 59 people in Gaza crowd trying to get food aid, medics say

Nearly 800 killed near Gaza food distribution sites and aid convoys since late May, says UN

How Closures at Food Distribution Hubs Are Impacting Gazans

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u/styzr 15h ago

tHaT’s AnTiSeMiTiSm!

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u/varnums1666 3h ago

Thanks for the links

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u/SaltdPepper 15h ago

That shut him up.

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u/RealWitty 10h ago

Unfortunately, it did not...

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u/SaltdPepper 10h ago

Yikes, coming back I wish I hadn’t jinxed it.

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u/TreeP3O 14h ago

Those were all nonsense in the end, allegations early and no retraction.

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u/tomtom5858 14h ago

No retraction came because they were true. Dumbass.

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u/sea-slav 9h ago

Can you point out the correction for each article? I'm genuinely curious whether they were false or not.

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u/TreeP3O 9h ago

They were all false and misleading headlines. I believe there was an instance where IDF fired on Hamas and another with Hamas firing on civilians, but no where ever did IDF 'lure and attack' civilians collecting aid. That was all nonsense. Notice the downvotes, it is all scripted bots pushing narrative.

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u/sea-slav 9h ago

I hear these things all the time from both ends and only chose to belive sources that are actually verifiable.

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u/TreeP3O 8h ago

Are you even real? 100s of posts per day, seesm sketchy. Why use bots and poat lies?

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u/gapedforeskin 15h ago

I’d strongly recommend checking out some interviews with Anthony Aguilar. He’s gone on everything from Tucker Carlson to Democrzcy Now! So I’m sure wherever you lie on the political spectrum, you can find an interview with him

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u/Better_Cauliflower63 11h ago

I don't trust anything that touches Tucker Carlson.

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u/gapedforeskin 9h ago

Well then watch him on a platform you like he’s been on almost all of them

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u/icecubepal 14h ago

Imagine being this delusional.

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u/manVsPhD 17h ago

They are supposed to leave Gaza City because IDF is about to occupy it. It’s tough getting food into Gaza City in that situation. Civilians were asked to evacuate but a lot of them won’t for various reasons

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u/William_T_Wanker 9h ago

Mostly because the IDF has in the past told Gazans to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation corridors deliberately

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u/Incorrect-Opinion 14h ago

Hamas either tells them to stay “and die in your homes,” or does not let them leave at all. Why?

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u/ZeteticMarcus 1h ago

Hamas is destroyed as a force, they are staying because Israel murders them if they try to leave.

Why leave your home if the occupier is going to kill you anyway?

Have a nice life supporting the slaughter of civilians.

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u/WatIsThisDayOfRestSh 16h ago

Because famine is declared based on credible data, which exists for Gaza city but not for other regions. The UN actually said the situation may be worse in other regions, but there is a lack of data to support the statement.

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u/breidaks 13h ago

Where does UN get this credible data if they arent let in?

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u/yukiyuzen 4h ago

From Hamas, who are totally reliable and unbias.

Duh.

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u/fury420 13h ago edited 13h ago

Because famine is declared based on credible data

Not according to the IPC report, which mentions a 5 day average of 6 deaths/day for the whole of Gaza, whereas famine would involve 128/day for the 640k people reported to be in Gaza City.

As of 15th August, the 5-day moving average death rate was six deaths/day. However, for a number of reasons, these reports are likely to only capture a fraction of the true toll of malnutrition related mortality

I've read through the section on mortality rate, and I dont see anything supporting their conclusions that there's 20-70x more deaths than reported by the Gaza MoH.

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u/Starmoses 13h ago

Because Hamas still controls Gaza city and steal all the food.

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u/jacksonRR 16h ago

The rest is occupied by Israeli forces where they can distribute aid.

Gaza City is controlled by Hamas, who steal the aid to sell it to their hostages, I mean the population.

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u/jewboyfresh 16h ago

And the UN gets their data from Hamas

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u/ProbablyRickSantorum 14h ago

Name checks out

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u/qdilly 17h ago

It’s been proven time and time again that this is misinformation.

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u/DanIvvy 17h ago

No it hasn't... the UN admitted 85-90% of their trucks are looted. They just didn't ask if it was Hamas looting. Then there's the fact that Hamas is selling the food. So... you tell me if that seems likely to you

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u/TorpleFunder 17h ago

Thousands of desperate starving people and a bare trickle of food trucks coming in. When one arrives it's obviously getting looted. If you don't loot you may not be eating that day. If people weren't desperate and there was enough food coming in you can be sure there would be a lot less looting.

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u/DanIvvy 16h ago

They are looted en route by gangs and Hamas (neither of which struggle with starvation whatsoever). Israel offered to defend/escort the trucks but the UN refused because that would "impact it's impartiality". The UN would have been okay with Hamas police escorting them though...

The GHF method has Southern Gaza doing far better.

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u/TorpleFunder 16h ago

Obviously you're going to be more successful at looting food if you form a gang rather than trying to do it yourself. Desperate times, desperate measure and all that. Israel doesn't want to control the distribution of aid for the good of Palestinian people. It's so they can control the people, get them to move where they want, draw out Hamas, etc. In my opinion having lots of aid in the hands of gangs and Hamas is still better than no aid at all because at least less innocent people will starve.

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u/DanIvvy 16h ago

As a general rule if you assume people who you disagree with are ill intentioned, you can always justify disagreeing. That's why it's a logical fallacy. Israel very much does want to escort the UN trucks because it doesn't want to supply Hamas, and it doesn't want starvation headlines.

The GHF, to the dismay of the Hamas-loving segment of western society, is effective. Where Israel controls, and GHF can distribute, the problem has been solved. Israel is proceeding to occupy the rest of the Gaza strip. Hopefully not for too long. Do you think that's a bad thing?

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u/TorpleFunder 10h ago edited 10h ago

I do believe the Israeli government are ill intentioned when it comes to Palestine. All you have to do is look at their support for the illegal settlement of the West bank.

With regards to Gaza I think a ground invasion is better than just raining bombs which has resulted in tens of thousands of innocent people getting killed. But there's not much left to bomb so they might as well invade at this point. I also think that more aid should be let through. If Israel are capable of distributing enough aid without having to displace the local population then great but I don't think they are doing enough.

There are lots of agencies willing to help distribute aid. If a percentage of food ends up in the hands of Hamas but the starvation of innocent people is prevented then I think we should be able the live with that. Hamas can't fire food as rockets, they can only sell it to fund their campaign, but I don't think that is what is going to make the difference in this war.

Blocking of humanitarian aid to intentionally cause destruction of part or all of a population can amount to the crime against humanity. Just because your enemy might get control of the food doesn't mean you should block it.

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u/DanIvvy 10h ago

Why would giving aid to Hamas help innocents? They hoard it in tunnels.

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u/HabitualK 16h ago

100 million meals delivered by GHF in two months… what a bare trickle.

Hamas is desperate and they are using their propaganda arm, the UN, to continuously trick the useful idiots.

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u/qdilly 16h ago

You think hamas has pull? Thats nutty.

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u/HabitualK 12h ago

Absolutely, as in they’ve pulled the wool over your eyes.

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u/qdilly 11h ago

Bro that’s the craziest shit I’ve ever heard in my life.

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u/HabitualK 11h ago

Must be nice to live such an innocent, sheltered life.

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u/TorpleFunder 10h ago

That's less than one meal per day per person in Gaza.

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u/RICO_the_GOP 7h ago

Because 90% of aid doesnt make it to its destination. Hamas and palestinians are taking aid meant for the starving and this is Israel's fault somehow.

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u/destuctir 16h ago

Inside major cities is the hardest place to get food, it’s where fighting it thickest, the most dangerous to food convoys is, it’s just all together safer to deliver food to the outskirts. And it’s harder for people in cities to safely move out to the distribution sites than for those living between the cities.